Humboldt Progressive Democrats Back PG&E and Green New Deal Resolutions in Letter to the Editor
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Responding to the specter of irreversible climate change and the associated extreme weather events already impacting California, Humboldt Progressive Democrats are backing two key resolutions being drafted by the California Democratic Party.The “PG&E Resolution and Legislation” was submitted by members of the CDP Rural Caucus and will be considered at the May-June Convention. Noting recent PG&E caused catastrophic wildfires and its subsequent filing for bankruptcy, the resolution supports the pubic takeover of PG&E and the creation of a “new company [to] be operated as a not-for-profit entity for the benefit of the people with public safety, energy reliability, and sustainability as its primary goals.”
The resolution also notes that “PG&E has proposed rate increases for their customers and low interest loans and liability forgiveness from the taxpayers to cover their losses rather than first requiring their executives and shareholders, who profited from PG&E management decisions, to bear those loses as part of the understood risk of investing in any corporation.” However PG&E workers are protected by “keeping the existing employees of PG&E … with all current union membership and employee benefits and pension commitments protected.”
The second “Resolution Calling for a Green New Deal for California” is being submitted directly to Governor Gavin Newsom, Senator Pro Tempore Toni Atkins, and Speaker of the Assembly Anthony Rendon. It has been passed by Central Committees throughout the State, by Democratic Clubs (such as the Humboldt Progressive Democrats), and is expected to be also endorsed by local municipalities.
In stark terms this resolution provides an account of already well known impacts of climate change: “California is uniquely vulnerable to climate change devastation, as witnessed by drought-worsened wildfires including the Camp Fire (Butte County, 86 dead, 2018), Tubbs Fire (Sonoma County, 22 dead, 5643 structures lost, 2017), Mendocino complex fire (Mendocino, Lake, Colusa, and Glenn counties, 459,000 acres burned, 2018), and Thomas fire (Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, 271,000 acres burned, 2017); and is equally vulnerable to sea level rise, atmospheric rivers causing inland flooding, and other impacts.”
To avert environment disaster we must become carbon neutral, and quickly. On the scale of the efforts during WWII and FDR’s New Deal, the Green New Deal calls for “net zero greenhouse gas emissions within a very short time frame; creation of millions of good jobs; investment in the infrastructure and industry of the United States; securing clean air and water, climate and community resilience, healthy food, and access to nature for all; and promoting justice and equity with respect to frontline communities, all while ensuring a just transition for workers in the fossil fuel and related industries.”
Both resolutions passed at the March meeting of the Humboldt Progressive Democrats and have been sent to the appropriate party leaders and elected officials. Copies available on request by contacting the Humboldt Progressive Democrats at PO Box 121, Arcata 95518.
Recognizing that both resolutions address key local non-partisan issues, all community members are encouraged to contact and pressure their elected representatives to take action by supporting public takeover of PG&E and passing Green New Deal legislation during the upcoming legislative session. “We are truly at a tipping point – and there is no Planet B. Yet we have the power to fix the problem. We must raise our voices now and demand our electeds do their jobs.” – Helene Rouvier, Humboldt Progressive Democrats.
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The letter states the “Resolution supports the pubic takeover of P G & E”, is it a misprint or was it received that way?
we are getting so sick and tired of the lies these envirowhacos tell. And they are the most polluting. People who live in the cities pollute far more than us country folks, use more energy per person, and produce none of their own stuff. Hey kids in the city, how are you going to eat? Drink water? Have clothing? It takes so much fuel to run the harvesters and combines and pump water for irrigation. No carbon, no food or water. Wind and solar only can produce 20% of electricity, and that is limited to certain areas. And if the wind does not blow, the sun does not shine, like at night, no power at all. Which means fossil fuel. How much energy does it take to pump water to the upper levels of the huge buildings in Sacramento, and frisco? A lot more than the gravity flow systems we have here in the country. These people need to be investigated and stopped. The US is leading carbon reduction in the world. The city people get most of their stuff from over seas, at 7500 gallons of carbon fuel burned an hour, and there are 90,000 ships that do so. You city people are the real cause of pollution. Ocean levels have not risen, and the ice packs in the Arctic, Antarctic, and Greenland have increased. The earth has actually cooled 2 degrees celcius in the last 10 years. The Aztec and Mayan civilizations perished because there was a 50 year drought in central America. At that time, no factories, no fossil fuel being burned, just the earth doing it’s thing. You asshole enviros keep fucking with us, it will be bad for you. As another writer said, until you can show us you are walking the walk, stfu.
Your wrong, on almost every point you made. Better do yourself some book learnin son.
That’s the best you got? I have a 13 year old student who did some research on climate, she said the earth has cooled like 2 degrees celcius in the last ten years, and the ice caps are increasing again. She is correct, she wants to know why these people are lying. I told her they are making lots of money with their lies, and frightening people who are sheep. We called the life guard station in Pensacola Florida, and asked them if they saw any evidence of sea level rising. The man we talked to said no, he has lived there his whole life, been around the ocean forever, and all the water marks on docks etc have not changed. Prove we are wrong on any point, you cannot, let’s see you do some research instead of being so foolish.
Or, who are the largest polluters? China and India. They are filthy. The container ships, at 7500 gallons of fuel an hour. Cities. City people pollute far more than country people. If you live or work in a high rise building, you are a major polluter. How much energy does it take to heat and cool these things? How much energy does it take to pump water 30 stories , or 300 feet straight up? All your food is brought in, what you wear, everything. Trucks burn fossil fuel to deliver these things. Yet, it is these very city people who clamor for emission reduction, and they are causing the most emissions. People who live in rural areas use far less energy to live. Look at all the huge tall inefficient buildings in Frisco. I won’t call it San Francisco until it stops hurting us with the sanctuary ordinance. They are the ones who are the cause of corporate farms, dairies, cattle production, all needed to feed the city dwellers, causing so much pollution of our air and water. The green new deal needs to start at the source, the city people, and leave us rural dwellers alone. And the green new deal is a bad deal for all of us, and the people who designed it, all city dwellers, are the major cause of pollution. Fuck them.
You just reminded me of the book I’ve been wanting to get called ‘Inconvenient Facts”, all the info Al G doesn’t want us to know. Thanks for your post!
“To avert environment disaster we must become carbon neutral, and quickly. On the scale of the efforts during WWII and FDR’s New Deal, the Green New Deal calls for “net zero greenhouse gas emissions within a very short time frame; creation of millions of good jobs; investment in the infrastructure and industry of the United States; securing clean air and water, climate and community resilience, healthy food, and access to nature for all; and promoting justice and equity with respect to frontline communities, all while ensuring a just transition for workers in the fossil fuel and related industries.””
Sure is a lot of words, but zero solutions. What exactly are the “workers in fossil fuel” transitioning into? Come on people, its not rocket science. Stop being consumers, disconnect from the grid, grow your own food, stop producing trash, conserve water on and on. Actually do something instead of talk about it or protest. Actually make the change you want.
As a look back through some pertinent history reveals, the environment was going to be used to establish a world government. This is merely a mechanism of societal control.
If you look at the responsibility of large scale manufacturers who are simply interested in producing consumable “stuff”, you will start to scratch the surface of who is responsible for creating this demand/ reliance on non environmental solutions to our life styles. We have been continually fed a consumer driven lifestyle by corporations, for the sake of profit.
We simply need to choose better in our choices. The free market is the ultimate factor on deciding what gets brought to market.
“Story of stuff”, was a good examination of how disposable much of our products have been created, all in the name of profit.
If our society was able to stop for a moment, from the blistering pace of life, we might be able to rethink our dependency on the system.
California has become a very expensive state to do business, and to live. This is going to have its own set of challenges to face. The cost to simply get a child to college is unsustainable, and at some point, something is going to put a wrench in this whole circus of unsustainable living.
https://www.heartland.org/multimedia/videos-climate-change/man-caused-global-warming-the-greatest-scam-in-world-history
Your namesake is rumored to be/been the pusher of evil things like torture and brainwashing bro. It’d be an interesting research project if you have the time and interest.
Marys Monkey.
This layer cake is so full of shite, it literally comes out of our pores.
Col. Fletcher Prouty
John Judge
Judyth Vary Baker
Dr Mary Sherman
Christopher Browning
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Dr Barry Trower.
Microwave weapon technology.
Dr Sherri Tenpenny
Vaccines
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rhZETbXCqCM
Dr JUDY MIKOVITS Phd
My own family has been a victim of these experiments. From a state hospital, no less.
Mind control patents.
Hendricus. G. Loos
Founder of HuLu.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmo28AV9y4I
SHORT EEG DOC
Dept of defense patents.
VOICE OF GOD WEAPON
US Patent #6,506,148
There’s too much, but there is a good hour long documentary on Brain Waves.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a0efaulmJ8s
Creepy stuff isn’t it. I haven’t ventured too far down that search path, just enough to be aware of it. I’m so sorry to hear you have been personally affected by this crap. Was it the Oregon State Hospital and it’s official ties to the foreign intelligence agency aka c and an i and an a? I hope all of this eventually sees the light of day, especially before another FF takes place.
Just because it’s no longer ‘experimental’ doesn’t mean it’s not in full blown operative mode.
Emotional manipulation, fear, anger, dread, depression, victimhood, and therapists replaced with special therapists … should be a PSA warning to every citizen, every day, until this crap is stopped completely.
The vid by Dr. Judy broke my heart. So many lives wasted.
Hotel California my friend, just like the Eagles song.
You can check out, but you can never leave.
Much of the revelation about the mechanics of the false flag, can be learned from Dr Pepper, Sirhan’s lawyer, also a good friend of Dr King.
There’s plenty of information on Sirhan being a mkultra victim, that was flushed out by William Pepper.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fJEc9vDwf8c
Another incredible interview is with James Douglas, pacifist and author and the only person to sit through every day of the MLK civil trial in Memphis TN (1999).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UUdqgD6-cLM
Plenty of good info from Eustace Mullins. Esp his interview with Randy Atkins in 2005.
One of my favorite research journalist is Jon Rappoport, the guy who came up with the “no more fake news” website 20 years ago. What I appreciate about his perspective is that he’s done extensive research and reporting on the medical and pharmaceutical industries.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_noA7-qY26A
36:52 – “Imagination creates power”
Good vs Evil on the 4D chessboard, run on the 5G network
A quick search shows that it was founded in the 1920’s. They developed the “peer pressure” technique of ridiculing, insulting, alienating, bullying patients into submission. (Alinsky madness techniques, who borrowed from Marx, who borrowed from Weishaupt, who borrowed from Lucifer).
“We can therefore justifiably stress our particular point of view with regard to the proper development of the human psyche, even though our knowledge be incomplete. We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life.”
They then decided that controlling the entire communities would be fun, starting with schools and churches. A quote “”Public life, politics and industry should all be within our sphere of influence.” They developed the Fifth Columnist approach, to infiltrate the masses covertly, especially the business industry. (See MENTAL HEALTH, Vol. 1, No. 4, October 1940)
Next came radio (war of the worlds, for instance). That was such a success, they ventured into television.
Harvard and the Rockefeller grant provided the means to experiment with the boy scouts and the military. A few articles were ” “Overcoming Resistance to Change,” and “A Comparison of the Aims of the Hitler Youth and the Boy Scouts
of America.”
The year after Tavistock and the RCGD began publishing HUMAN RELATIONS, the journal (Vol. II, No. 3, 1949), published
“Some Principles of Mass Persuasion” by Dorwin Cartwright who helped establish the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan. In this article, Cartwright reveals:
“It is conceivable that one persuasive person could, through the use of MASS MEDIA in the hands of ONE PERSON, could bend the WORLD’S population to his will.”
In the 1960’s the LSD experiments began and all those other “experiments”.
Then the old cliche’ “never let a crisis go to waste” became the goal. “Theories of Social Turbulence” which Fred Emery explained more fully in “FUTURES WE ARE IN” (1975) provided the outline.
Crisis is the foundation of the Emery model. According to this theory, individuals or societies faced with a series of crises will attempt to reduce the tension by adaptation & eventually psychological retreat as if anesthetized, which led to what Emery called “segmentation.”
Which is what we see all around us today.
“the relevancy of Goals 2000, SCANS (U.S. Department of Labor SECRETARY’S COMMISSION ON ACHIEVING NECESSARY SKILLS) ” hilights their goals for Global indoctrination. One big happy family of slaves who are happy to serve their masters.
That was the lightweight stuff. Operation Paperclip and other keynotes were also involved in this web.
One of the main researchers I stole the info from, suggested watching the movie ‘Demolition Man’ for an easier and faster idea of it.
Or flow through any blog and read the headlines of emotional manipulations. Sad, angry, cute, fear, sad, angry, cute, fear, sad, angry, cute, fear, …repeat.
1000 frustrations = 1000 points of light extinguished = mass manipulated slaves.
Adding music and wifi frequencies, oh me oh my. Nothing to see here folks, now moove along.
You posted a few of the scary mean things they do (didn’t even hardly go there did you), and I posted a fragmented history. Still the masses will sleep because it’s too much and will blow the mind.
Beer. I like beer.
I just love a good piece of satire. You have to appreciate the authors dedication to keeping a straight face even when it must be so hard to while saying things that are so ridiculous. Well done sir, I appreciate your efforts at humor.
Appropriately posted on April fools day…
hahaha, good one, happy april fool’s day
No doubt. You can’t make up things more ridiculous than those actually supported by some politicians.
If Dems stick to their apparent plan we will be getting a 2nd term of Trump.
I really hope that these “progressive “ democrats walk to work, reduce there oxygen intake, drink recycled water, eat rice cakes, don’t use electricity and wipe there ass with there hands. Walk the walk “progressive “ people or STFU
Personal life choices like that will not amount to the changes we need. This article is about how they are walking the walk.
Power to the Administrative State! Power to the bureaucracies!
You plebians amount to nothing.
I say we put collars on our neighbors and stake them out in the lawn and make them eat grass, duct tape produce bags ( not banned YET) on their ass, catch farts to power the Prius. It’s a win win, takes care of that guy next door that piss’s you off, you don’t have to mow the lawn on your day off (that’s what people do when they have a job)and you get to cruise to town to get beer for FREE all off the asshole next door! Only thing is to make sure that you live next to a HUMBOLDT PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT!
” However PG&E workers are protected by “keeping the existing employees of PG&E … with all current union membership and employee benefits and pension commitments protected.
Yes, let’s make sure we don’t piss off our puppet masters, the unions. Never mind that PG&E is bankrupt, we will keep the bloated benefits and retirement packages and hand the company over to the government completely. Who, in turn, will offer bigger and fatter benefits and pensions to satisfy their masters ( the unions). Us common folk can shut the fuck up and work til we’re dead to pay for these, and other, bullshit, bloated benefits promised by politicians who will be long gone when the SHTF. When it all falls apart we can blame it on capitalism and look to AOC for salvation.
The only thing worse then a private monopoly like PG&E is a public monopoly. Too bad Democrats are too stupid to understand economics. They will reap what they have sewn when California ultimately goes bankrupt, largely in part to public sector benefits packages. Unfortunately, the rest of us will reap what they have sewn as well.
CA is the fifth largest economic engine in the world.. run by Democrats and pulled back together after the republicans (Schwarzenegger) nearly bankrupted us. You hate unions? Are you a worker? I am, and unions got me where I am today. You conservatives don’t know your history. You get tricked into hating the things that help you. Keep watching the tube….
Getting tricked,
Lifelong propaganda,
School systems in decline,
Food supply full of toxins,
Glyphosate in the groundwater,
Endless stream of illegals who are going to depress the labor market, for the next generation of debt saturated graduates,
Ever Increasing TAX burden of the 5th largest economy.
Simply put, people are putting in more time to cover the basics.
It’s not rocket science to see where this is headed.
Supply and demand is one helluVA nuisance sometimes.
Yes, the schools suck. We are overtaxed on some enterprises, not others; I don’t see illegals being a problem (have you ever really wanted a job in the tomato fields?) … i think overall it’s still a good place to be.
Wow, bad timing…
Too late, HPD.
If the “most famous” Pro Dem hadn’t recently put her weight and power behind blocking Amazon in NY, perhaps she wouldn’t be even more hated than our president – but she did, and she most certainly is. As are her ideas.
I think you Pro Dems are about to witness the backlash. Good luck to you. Personally, I believe your position is already fatally compromised thanks to her actions, and I believe your branch of the party will never have enough support to accomplish anything meaningful.
Try being realistic. If you do so, it becomes clear that major changes need to take place within your party, both locally and especially nationally, before you’ll ever get back those like me who left the party in disgust.
In fact, I urge ALL local Progressive Democrats to do as so many of us have done in the last few months – register as an independent, and make it your mission to vote out every last sitting politician in this country! What we NEED are PEOPLE in office, NOT politicians. Vote for your friends and neighbors. Vote for your future.
A vote for a politician is a vote for private profiteering, corruption, and lies. It doesn’t matter which party they are associated with. They’re all the same.
It’s time for real people to be running things.
Strangest of all is how they push for this through the usage of racism. Has anybody ever seen a unicorn in any color besides white? No. Not ever. This whole thing is racist.
That aspect is regrettable.
hahaha! profiling at its finest
In fact, I urge ALL local Progressive Democrats to do as so many of us have done in the last few months – register as an independent, and make it your mission to vote out every last sitting politician in this country! What we NEED are PEOPLE in office, NOT politicians. Vote for your friends and neighbors. Vote for your future.
A vote for a politician is a vote for private profiteering, corruption, and lies. It doesn’t matter which party they are associated with. They’re all the same.
It’s time for real people to be running thing
Here here, finally another person who see’s the truth…. if they are incumbent vote them out. Pick the no known names folks and we have a better shot at surviving this BULLSHIT that keeps progressing into the abyss of D.C. this country was made on the understanding of WE THE PEOPLE. Not we the politician…..
Puppet master all of them and they need to go.
You sound just like this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&feature=youtu.be
Yes, because the founders were all backwoods yokels, right? No, they were freaking GENIUSES. We don’t need street hippies running everything.
“The masses are asses ….” – L7
Public infrastructure should be publicly owned by those it serves.
amen hmmmm
Sorry to say but talking about dramatic needed changes and lamenting human deaths at the same time is silly and counterproductive. Yes- there is a major extinction event happening. Yes- it is human-caused. Yes- we need to do something serious. But that serious thing involves reducing human population/consumption of resources and we need to lose hundreds of millions of people. Sorry. This was discussed back in the 70’s but everybody went into heavy denial and kept pushing population and consumption levels up and up. We need lots and lots of people to stop being alive here. Yeah- nobody wants to talk about this inconvenient and unhappy factor. It’s not very popular. It won’t get you a lot of votes..it makes people sad but there it is!
100% correct. The white elephant in the room is that the third world needs to stop breeding like it’s going out of style, and the first world needs to remember how to fix and reuse things instead of throwing them away and buying new ones. Until those two things are remedied, we’re just spinning our wheels.
We don’t know the carrying capacity of Earth. All of the world’s population can fit in Humboldt County with about 15 square feet. Obviously that is not enought space per person, but that leaves a lot of Earth.
“…we need to lose hundreds of millions of people. ” Based on your premise the Earth needs to lose billions of people, not 100’s of millions. Lead the way.
Subdivide so-hum for Venezuelans and Asian back to the landers I guess, since humanity is such a solvable & loveable social riddle lol..
Each new bundle of children unsheathed from a foreign psyche is an act of love i guess, right? Not an act of biological competition, forgive me, lol
“Each new bundle of children unsheathed from a foreign psyche is an act of love i guess, right? Not an act of biological competition, forgive me, lol”
I don’t understand what you are saying.
We are part of nature. All populations wax and wane; we are not immune from that reality.
I meant, in my obscure way, to state that human reproduction can be seen as an act of competition, slow conquest or even war.
If it was true(as we have been told)that european Americans are the grown seeds or descendants of manifest destiny theory, then it is true for all other human migratory surges, wether rich or poor.
So I view all contemporary migration patterns through this same lense.
And I don’t think any self respecting culture wants to be edged out by newcomers.
The hippies did it to the rednecks, but look how things come full circle now
Gotcha.
Pat Buchanan wrote an interesting essay with similar sentiment. .. how the countries that white Europeans conquered and colonized are now slowly “invading” the colonizers.
Manifest destiny is only a prevailing theory for the dominant culture.
Ullr Rover- Your comment “Lead the way” is a classic silly comment. No I am not committing suicide. Nobody is. That’s why they need to be killed! Hey man- We ARE way past the carrying capacity, as witnessed by large-scale collapse of environmental systems. My complaint with the liberals is that they are rearranging chairs on the Titanic and nobody cares. You are right about needing a billion or more people dying off to maybe permit survival of the remainder. I was being under-dramatic by using a smaller number. And guess what- even if we don’t kill them…they are going to die anyways. Many will die. The longer we ignore this and buy time by grinding more of the earth’s living systems into resources for human consumption the worse the inevitable collapse will be. And it doesn’t matter if you believe in this- it will happen anyway. It’s already underway. Ocean collapse is happening before your very eyes…Not kidding. Not being cynical or pessimistic. I’m sorry…it is almost here
Just look at tye multinational petrol chemical pharmaceutical industries. We’ve been sold a bill of goods we’ve never needed. Check yourself and your consumption and figure out how to eliminate your desire for the unnecessary, and try living on a subsistence lifestyle. Essentially what is happening under our noses is the physical installation of people control systems. It will simply come down to a pay to play model. Clean cities initiatives being adopted that will regulate each and every aspect of your high consumption lifestyle. Just look at Arcata desire to be carbon neutral in accordance with UN agenda 21…you wonder why they are going after independent minded hill people. ..? If you know what’s coming, thenot do your homework and start practicing that minimalist lifestyle. The prepper movement has solid roots, just practice living for a day without power, running water. It will change the way you think about what kind of lifestyle will be allowed to continue.
I agree. The more we hold on to the current economic /energy system the bigger the collapse will be down the road. Knowing this, who are you willing to hand the reigns to in order to decide the fate of the world and who lives and dies?
Undoubtedly there are people who are making these decisions with the hubris that they “know” what is best for humanity. Theses folks are not willing to put their head on the chopping block, but they won’t hesitate to put yours (or mine) on it.
Be wary of a narrative that is sold to us so we willing walk up to that chopping block.
And yet the guy who abated the free-range 400lb CO2/methane dispersion unit up on Fickle Hill gets a hard time, while the people who propagated and sustained it are portrayed as victims. People are so ungrateful.
That is good! Good humor is rooted in truth.
Maybe allow forests to be thinned of fire starting under brush and utilize controlled blazes to clear out problem areas that will later become fuel for wildfires instead of freaking out that every single thing is muh “climate change”. If you’re going to manage the forests, actually manage them, or nature will manage them like she always has in a way that does not take human interests into consideration. Climate change is bandied about as the cause of every ill that effects humanity these days, and is being used to promote agendas that are not to the people’s benefit, and it’s getting really old and tired.
Give up your motor vehicle and move out of your wood framed house then come talk to me about your green deal.
They will send emails with their phones and computers while sipping Starbucks after they paid with a credit card.
Oh boy, whoever wrote all of these comments needs to change it up a little. Same same same same same. Did you know that you don’t need to write 20 comments saying the same thing? Is your life so void that you feel the need to clout ” progressive democrats” over the head every day with repeated comments? Sad.
Most democrats are under heavy manipulation via mainstream media. They’re extremely gullible people. I blame poor diet and prescription drug abuse.
It has been my observation that most people who use stereotypes to lump people into categories not only miss nuances, they miss the entire reality of a situation. But then, this lumping thing is dangerous and I might have it all wrong.
It sounds like you are stereotyping stereotypers. [Insert tongue in cheek emoticon here]
Might I expect to see this same comment repeated when posters stereotype conservatives with much more hateful language than calling them gullible?
Does this count? https://kymkemp.com/2018/05/15/vote-no-on-measure-f-says-letter-to-the-editor/#comment-567848
This? https://kymkemp.com/2018/04/09/three-suspects-sought-in-home-invasion/#comment-555116
This? https://kymkemp.com/2018/03/06/two-elderly-people-shot-in-car-near-fort-bragg-may-be-suicide-pact/#comment-544612
This? https://kymkemp.com/2018/01/21/this-years-womans-march-in-eureka-started-with-one-woman-not-even-in-humboldt-county/#comment-530910
Look, I regularly delete comments that lump conservatives together in ugly ways. Here’s one recent one, “…Another delusional conservatard! Go back to watching your
Fox news propaganda and let the adults converse.”
Because I myself am liberal, I think I tend to treat conservatives more gently in order to compensate for possible prejudice on my part. You could be right that I’m unfair. But, I think you might want to see if you are holding me to a higher standard than you hold yourself.
It’s about being a critical thinker… that’s what I have come up with. I can get along and have an intelligent conversation with anyone who can parse ideas and thoughts critically; liberal or conservative. It’s been my experience that most critical thinkers tend to be independent or liberal. Definitely not 100% true.
Classic liberal…with a libertarian view of government.