Mother of Hoopa Teen Speaks Out After Her Daughter Faces Backlash for Shouting a Racial Slur
On March 9, a racial slur was screamed from the sidelines of a crowded gym at the All-Indian Men’s Basketball Tournament in Hoopa. This was a non-school event. All the players were adult and all were enrolled in Native American Tribes.
The video above, downloaded from Snap Chat, captures the moment when the voice of a teenage girl, we later identified as a Hoopa Valley High student, cries out in triumph during a hard fought game between the home team and a team from Washington state. After a member of the adult Hoopa team makes a basket, the girl’s voice screams triumphantly, “Yeah!” Then the phone camera shakily focuses on a member of the opposing team while the voice of the girl yells, “In your face, nigger.”
Poster for the 58th Annual All Indian Men’s Basketball Tournament where the racial slur was yelled.
The video, originally on Snap Chat, spread first through the Hoopa Valley where many in the community expressed fury as there had been two recent racially charged incidents against them–one when their girls’ basketball team was at Ferndale and one while their boy’s basketball team was playing out of the area. By Thursday, the video had spread further into Humboldt County.
Another Hoopa student downloaded this version and sent it to an adult who in turn sent it to us. “It is going all over the Snap Chat stories,” the Hoopa High School student later told us. “Everyone is mad at her…It is messed up. We shouldn’t be doing it back–what people do to us.”
The adult who sent the video expressed frustration that though the video was spreading through social media, she believed the student wasn’t facing consequences at Hoopa High like those faced by Ferndale students who had been suspended following the racially charged incident at their school. She wasn’t alone in her feelings.
On Thursday and Friday, several social media sites and multiple commenters expressed anger at the Hoopa school administration and its students. “I know the Hoopa community made a big issue out of the Ferndale high school students and demanded consequences for their actions,” the woman wrote us. “Nothing has happened to this girl….It goes both ways and this girl needs to be treated the same [as] the Ferndale students.”
However, Jon Ray, Superintendent of Klamath-Trinity Joint Unified School District, explained that the gym was rented for the event and was not part of activities sponsored by one of his schools. He pointed out that if a student does something outside of school, he can’t punish them for what they did. Discipline in that case is up to the parents, he said. “I have no jurisdiction or authority on anyone in that gym [while it was being rented],” he explained. “I can work with the kid, but I can’t issue any type of discipline.”
By Sunday, one version of the video above had over 10,000 views.
“I feel like I want to do a public apology,” the mother of the teenage girl told us, but she said she was afraid to expose her daughter to any more of what she said was “hate” directed their way. But she spoke us on condition of anonymity.
She said her daughter is “so upset with herself.” She said that they “want to contact the person she said it to so we can make it right–however we need to.”
She said her daughter, who has deep connections to her Hupa heritage, is “discussing with her family what type of restoration needs to be made to the individual and in a public forum…We’re writing the gentleman a letter and we’re writing a letter to the All Indian committee.”
She started to explain, “You bring your child up in hopes they will make smart decisions…” then her voice trailed off into tears.
The mother said that they have black family members and close friends and doesn’t know why her daughter would direct a racial slur at someone. “I taught her to love everybody,” she choked. “I don’t know what was going through her head…There is no excuse for it all. I’m not going to make one.”
She said her daughter is “a good kid” who “doesn’t get into trouble.” She added, “I’ve never once been called to the principal’s office.” She said her daughter “feels like crawling under a rock [and] wishes she would die….I would hope the community would give her a chance and please know that she is hurting. She is a direct reflection of the harm she caused others…She is so upset with herself…Shame, humiliation, embarrassment, and regret.”
At this point, the mother said the plan is to pull her daughter from school and put her in independent study. “She’s living in her own skin…She’s living her own punishment.,” her mother told us. “I don’t know what else we could do to teach her that it was wrong.”
But she said, not only her daughter but her whole family will be affected. “We will be looked at differently forever. It’s a small town…You can’t erase what she did…I just want to stress this is a child; this isn’t an adult. I just hope they would be somewhat forgiving. We are taking measures to remedy the situation.”
The mother said that she has already connected with the school administration. “I got the school involved,” she said. “It is like a close knit family…They think it was wrong, too…Even though it wasn’t a school event, they are really supportive of her learning from the mistake.”
She said they are “exploring ways” of using this as a teaching situation. “I hope she understands how this affects [the man who was yelled at]…How it affects his kids…I think this is an opportunity to dig deep into why it was said. And prevent not just her, but other kids saying it.”
We’ve reached out to the victim of the racially charged name-calling but have not heard back. However, Inker McCovey, the Parks and Recreation Manager for the Hoopa Tribe, said he met the man that night when he helped bandage the man’s arm after he got a cut. McCovey said the man told he was a full blooded Nez Perce native and Black, McCovey said.
This event is a tradition in the town, he explained. “It was the 58th annual tournament…Each team had to pay $500 to get into the tournament. They travel all the states. So these guys are really tall and really good. They are almost like professional players…” The teams can win up to $5000 in these tournaments.
He said that all of the players are part of federally recognized tribes. “Some of them have Black or Hispanic blood.” Some, he said, have some white ancestry but all are enrolled as part of a recognized Native American tribe. “They all have to show a tribal card before they can even play,” he said.
The fans are loud, he explained, and, “we can’t monitor everyone’s conversations” so he didn’t even know the slur had been shouted and he doesn’t think anyone in authority heard the slur either.
“I’m a big kid fan,” McCovey said. “I used to coach high school basketball…One of the kids on my team said the N word. I disciplined him.” But, McCovey said, “This little girl is really sorry for what she said…People don’t understand she already kinda knows what she did wrong…None of us are perfect…We can’t push someone into a suicidal situation. We all mistakes…If [anyone] thinks they are, they better rewind themselves and think of what they’ve done [in the past].”
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🕯Good story Kym, bummer for the family.
We are going to get worked up and excited at sporting events. But using a word like that is unacceptable, being hateful for one, and racist for another. Since we are all the same race, Homo Sapiens Sapiens, it is kind of rediculous [ I tried 4 spellings], to refer to someone with a denigrated racial slur. I prefer asshole. Now everyone has one, no matter what you look like, gender you identify with, or anything else. You still get your point of dissatisfaction with the other person, but you keep yourself from looking and sounding stupid. Another word you can use is wussie. If you say sissy, it denigrates little girls. The other word, rimes with sissy, denigrates women. But wussie, like asshole, is gender neutral. Even if you are binary intersectional borderline what ever, these words, wussie and asshole are neutral to all spectrums of people . Hope this helps.
we are not the same race. Can you explain Rh Negative blood, come come women with this blood type cannot breed and procreate with other’s of a different blood type. Race is a real thing. Please do not dumb us all down to think that race is now real.
Ummmmm….. you do not know of what you speak……
At first I thought you were joking and then I realized you are just ignorant. Here is Wikipedia to help you with your Rh question:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system
and your confusion about whether or not every human, regardless of external skin color (protip: we are all exactly the same color on the interior of our skin) is the same race:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus).
Please try to educate yourself soon, so we can all stop wasting our time spinning our wheels on concepts that may have perplexed people in prior centuries, but which we have definitive answers for now, and actually deal with relevant issues of the day.
Wikipedia? You’re using that as a cited resource? [Edit]
Please don’t insult fellow commenters. Also, in my opinion, Wikipedia is an excellent tertiary source. In other words, it combines info into a relatively digestible form and links to the sources of the info.
Jojo , check yourself. Maybe Google could help you. Rh has nothing to do with race. Rh negative women can breed with anyone of any other blood type.
We are of the same race.
Saying or thinking such a thing as ‘racial diversity’ is sloppy language, a real misnomer that’s commonly done, JoJo. ‘Ethnic’ diversity is a more accurate term. Why? Because we are all of the same race, period, like it or not. And while we focus on our differences when similarities bind us all never ceases to amaze me.
You know, Bob Marley got it right when he sang “One World…”
WHAT?
Nothin’ like the whiff of Humbold ignorance in the morning…gah
When people are trying to insult someone else, they will say the things that they expect to be the most insulting. Often those are racial slurs. This doesn’t mean that the girl is racist, just like it doesn’t mean that the Ferndale kids are racist.
It’s a matter of being low class, not necessarily a matter of being racist.
I was right there with you until that last sentence. Name calling and belittling is unnecessary and completely negates your previous points.
I am with you, we all make mistakes, kids listen to music that includes the N word itself in the songs lyrics, something that I don’t understand, anyways low class? Puts you at the same position when you say it, sad.
So shouting things like that isn’t ‘low class’ to you? What is?
Calling someone low class for one thing. Really? Class smack downs? How does that help with anything? Just throws another piece of crap on top of the already heavy load to be carried.
I believe it is called marginalizing. You don’t do that because it means you believe you are in a privileged class.
Oh yes people do. What do you think that most of the attacks on someone’s opinion by calling them racist is? Or sexist? Or almost any other label they choose to use in place of an argument?
Racism doesn’t depend on your socioeconomic class.
Trump plans on cutting welfare Medical social security and using the funding to build his border wall since he couldn’t get Mexico to do it now he’s going to make everybody suffered except for the rich they’ve been taking money out of the middle class for a long time now figuring out how to make low income people suffer yes there is something going wrong here not just with the people of different colors but the upper middle and lower class wage discrimination
link? oh yeah thats just toxic fake news. try again
Hey you’re not suppose to be looking at that Joe. Rather, look at that shiny ball over there. SNL made fun of trump in a re-run, oh the horror!
You bet it’s low class and would seem far from a mistake. Could it be true that “Ignorance is bliss?”
Name calling? I didn’t say that the person is low class, only the act. Not that saying the person is low class would negate a valid point, that’s not how reality works.
She should have called him “whiteboy.”
Why?
More acceptable socially.
As long as your not white, it’s not racism.
Low class? Nonsense. The words of the mother, thoughtful and kind, are the exact opposite of “low class.” In the US there is less class bigotry than some other places but it still exists. Anything- and I mean anything down to clothing color- can be used by those wanting to prove to themselves they are better than others by forming hateful groups. To do that it is necessary to belittle outsiders.
To the girl who is the center of this kerfuffle, it’s like the old joke about trying not to say the world “hippopotamus”. You can’t try to avoid the word and not think of it. It will come out. So you sincerely apologize to the offended party or parties. Then let the rest of community come to terms with their own issues with the situation. You can’t fix other people’s problems. Only your own. You now know that humans are more complex than “racist” of “not racist.” That is something that many people haven’t learned who are supposed to be all grown up.
Seems to have been an issue with your comprehension.
I never said the mother is low class.
That’s a bit beyond “low class.”
I disagree.
I think it probably becomes a normal word for kids today… being that most every rap song blasts that word all day long & kids thrive on that shitty music… singing along to it, acting all gangster. Why is this disgraceful word being used in every damn cRap song?
‘treated the same’ lets call this what it is. if they have a game and the participants are based solely off race then that is a racist event. so maybe she was just in the spirit of the event (obviously sarcastic)
The tournament started 58 years ago when opportunities for Native players were small.
so racism is ok if both parties are playing by the same rules? or if it is grandfathered in?
Every year, in every state in the US, basketball teams from all over each state come together to play in championship tournaments. Only teams who come from towns in a particular state are allowed to play in those states’ tournaments. Cities, towns and counties are designated political entities and the tournaments use those political identities to decide who will be allowed to play. In like manner, American Indian tribes all over the US are designated political entities, or “separate sovereigns” by the US Supreme Court and later, by Congress (Google the US Sup. Ct. case called Morton v. Mancari, or check Wikipedia for a summary). The teams who are allowed to play in Hoopa’s All Indian Tournament are all filled with people from those political entities called tribes. It’s not a matter of race, but a matter of US political designations, same as all those state tournaments.
And yes, Kym is right. Those types of tournaments started because often these American Indian teams were not allowed to play in what were otherwise open tournies. So, they started their own leagues even though they often have to travel great distances to play the games. Also, and this is the irony here, these leagues allowed them safe spaces to play, where they would be free from the racist heckling American Indian teams always face. I know: I grew up in South Dakota and watched it happen.
The problem with racism is not the division of different races, it is the exercise of power over those with a diminished ability to defend themselves.
When this tournament was created 58 years ago, it allowed a community with diminished power to support each other in the face of racism. To decry the community and sneer as if the people involved were acting out of racism now rather than as a defense against racism and a delight in their own community is to focus on the wrong aspect.
No. The problem with racism is not conveniently redefined to allow those without power to do what creates evil but just not as effectively as those with power. That is just a formula for the perpetuation of the evil with only the names of the players changing. If you want to get rid of an evil weed, you can not encourage it in one place without expecting it will seed itself everywhere.
Maybe it is not at the point where racially based sports should be eliminated but, unless you think an all-white basketball league is just peachy, you can not say that an all Indian league is. Either race based groups are an anachronism or they are not and the amount of power each race has is just weasel wording that is nothing but a self indulgent and egregious emotional rationalization.
Thank you Guest
You are wrong on many levels, but you hide what you are saying so carefully it takes a while to understand it. You should stop being so round about and just say what you mean. I hear your ‘dog whistle ‘ though. Cool story.
You are wrong on many levels, but you hide what you are saying so carefully it takes a while to understand it. You should stop being so round about and just say what you mean. I hear your ‘dog whistle ‘ though. Cool story.
Guest:
https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/18/mother-speaks-out-after-hoopa-teen-in-trouble-for-shouting-a-racial-slur-at-a-non-school-event/#comment-795735
KK: and you think it’s acceptable to repeat this word & keep using it instead of redacting? Irony. Most people who truly are against foul & immoral language & respected journalist don’t repeat this racist behavior and easily use the n-word, ni**er etc.. Either you use racial slurs or you don’t.
Cowering behind asterisks like somehow that makes you a better human being than someone who just states the name is ridiculous.
All educated people know that using a word to explain something is not the same as slinging it at someone.
All good dictionaries include the word “nigger.” It doesn’t mean the lexicographer thinks it is okay to sling at people.
Either you understand nuance or you don’t.
Actually, in a couple different instances recently tenured professors who have a long track record of supporting and teaching civil rights have been suspended from teaching for simply using the n word quoted from literature written by a black person in the context of their classroom curriculum relating to social justice and oppression. In one instance the class was taken over by a group and the teacher was forced to leave while this group engaged the students in some kind of sensitivity discussion. I believe this may have been at princeton, i could be wrong. My google searches were pointing to huffpo and Breitbart and such, i dont feel like digging to share a legit link. I think a similer thing happened at Emery recently. Apparently it’s not ok for a white person to point out injustice, even if your a credible teacher with a good history and credentials. This extreme outrage culture is nothing more than a weaponized source of divison and a direct toxic byproduct of racism itself and entirely inseparable from it. No real healing will come from it, now or in the future. At a time when we are facing a huge species dieoff and planetary omnicide, and both political parties for the most part support global resource wars and an oppressive, centralized government, we need harmony and cooperation to face the future and hand something survivable to our children. I am opposed to anything that sows division, whether it’s race, culture, politics, technology, religion, personal entitlement, or whatever. We just don’t have the luxury to engage in such self referential, masturbatory fabrications at this stage of the game. The girl said an inappropriate thing, her parents and friends are right to point that out. Social shaming is an important aspect of being a social creature, but for gods sake move on. Just to be clear, I am not denying historic racism or questioning the legitimacy of the native leagues, or the inappropriateness of this girls speech.
“The problem with racism is not the division of different races . . .”
How is that not a problem? Without division there can be no power differential.
One can have a Mormon basketball tournament and a Presbyterian basketball tournament without a power differential. Or let’s say an All Irish league and an all Italian League without there being racism intended or perceived.
But even if this were racist, which I don’t agree it is, why focus on such a small relatively harmless form of racism, when you could actually focus on real harm if you cared about racism rather than just feared that somehow you might be a victim of this one while you will never be a victim of the other.
anyone can become mormon. you cant have an all irish basketball league. can you name one? racist division is a bad thing for this country, it breeds hate. it makes people hate each other based on race.
The US Gaelic Athletic Association: https://www.icphila.org/gaa
The San Francisco Italian Athletic Club comes to mind. https://www.sfiac.org/Club-History
The Polish American Sports Association http://www.pasaus.org/
Kym, none of the 3 organizations you linked to are exclusive. The Hupa tournament “Must Be Enrolled In Federal Recognized Tribe” is exclusive.
I think they should be able to do what they want, but they reap what they sow.
Those organizations certainly seem to encourage race/culture based membership but I’m not an expert on them. Nor do I have a problem with them doing so.
I’m not sure how an organization that requires Irish ancestry or one that requires someone to be enrolled in a Native American tribe harms someone else as long as it isn’t a Government organization that collects tax money.
How is such an organization “reaping what they sow?”
ok the irish one is not about race but country. the italian one is definitely racist and they are proud of that fact. btw itallians (sometimes) identify as ‘black’ just go ask colin kapernick. and i cant even read the polish one but it does say something about nasi sponsors so maybe it is racist. this still doesnt make it right
Mormons are not a race. What does a ” power differential” have to do with it? What is this “power”? I agree that no racism may be intended, and it may not be perceived by some but that in no way means its not there.
“But even if this were racist, which I don’t agree it is, why focus on such a small relatively harmless form of racism, when you could actually focus on real harm if you cared about racism rather than just feared that somehow you might be a victim of this one while you will never be a victim of the other.”
That’s a horrible question. Its a logical fallacy called “red herring” I don’t focus on this issue to the exclusion of any other issue. There is real harm whenever we judge others based on their race or ethnicity. I have absolutely no concern that I might personally be a “victim” of this case of racism, I care about others. Ultimately even those who perpetrate racism suffer from their own doing.
I don’t know about the others but you don’t have to be Gaelic to play in the Gaelic Athletic Association. I doubt any of them are exclusive.
It’s not racism if we’re talking about a marginalized group trying to create opportunities to play which are denied because of actual racism.
Sayeth the lawyer. The issue was at what point does it become not just a compensation but its own country club. I suspect that once claims for free association based on race are condemned as racist in non marginalised groups, the claim of racism can not cut just in one direction any more.
At least this lawyer tells the truth, unlike Marilyn Monroe, Esquire – I mean Rudia Giuliani 💋 😘🐘👈🏼.
#EggBoy
I know for a fact that Erik Kirk doesn’t give a hoot about the truth I personally have seen him stand In court and tell blatant lies to the judge. Does it make him a bad man? Probably my not, but he’s a lawyer and every lawyers job is to lie, if you don’t know this then you haven’t had a lawyer
umm yeah so…. that was then. do you want to stay in the past or do you have anything new to add to the converstation?
When there are not equal opportunities for white people to play, I’ll start worrying about All Native leagues that have existed for 58 years. It’s pretty low on my list of oppression.
i am not ok with racism, even if it is against those who have the upper hand. it still breeds hate.
heres some laughs
https://youtu.be/yxD_NzJZWrQ
I’m not okay with picking on a perceived mote in one’s neighbor’s eye without acknowledging much larger issues affecting them. I think looking at racism here while denying it in much more blatant areas indicates a problem with perception.
im not going to pretend to know what racism you are referring to. and i will admit there are much worse forms of racism, like what has been happening in south africa, but i find this more important in my life because it is happening where i live, it is in my life. i am glad i am not a white person in south africa.
I’m willing to bet you didn’t even know that this tournament existed until this article. You are choosing to express outrage because it fits your political agenda not because you have heard of one person suffering because of this.
Let’s all take a step back from the outrage brink and try to focus on the worst problems in the world not ones that fit our political agenda.
[Edit: I volunteer to not scream my outrage that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo barred the regular Press Corps from a phone briefing and only allowed “Faith-based media” to listen and ask questions. That seems a direct contradiction of the separation of Church and State and a form of bigotry against those who don’t practice a religion that directly affects me but I’ll choke down my outrage if you choke yours down that some nebulous white man –note you don’t seem worried that they also discriminate on gender—might not get to play in this tournament you didn’t know existed.]
i dont know of the mike pompeo thing but i will not defend racism no matter how consequential you think it is. would you defend an all white basketball league (i dont play basketball and i dont watch it) on the basis that there are other leagues that are based on race?(white americans have a long time ago decided to not have race based sports) i will bet not. point is you dont have to go out of your way to defend racism no matter where it is practiced. i would support your decision to fight racism
The contemporary history of the United States dictates why an all-white team is fundamentally different than an all black team, or Native, Japanese or Chinese, etc. team.
Since your talking NBA, let’s use that:
NBA began in 1943. In 1950 the first black man was allowed to play.
Of course now, the percentage of black people playing in the NBA is around 75%. Players that are white account for 23%.
But let’s go up the chain:
Team management by a black person is up to 43%.
Ownership of teams:
In 2004 the first black man became a majority owner of a team, the Charlotte Hornets.
He was followed by Michael Jordan, who is the 2nd black man to be a majority owner, for the same team.
2% black ownership in NBA, historically.
0% in NFL.
To argue for an all white team is really silly.
way to go. no i wasnt talking about the nba. the topic here is a small league of native americans bball. so what if there is 2% black owners in the nba. that is not racism. a black person is allowed to own a team there is no rule against it
The subject is oppression, ignorance and racism.
Your all white team concept is horrible, and it might fit a little of all those terms.
Tell it to Jim Thorpe. In pro sports the only color that counts is green.
Why not? Why is discrimination based on race not racism, when it is done by a formerly marginalized group? I’m not saying it is racism but i don’t see why it isn’t. Lets say discrimination based on race is not always racism, isn’t it still ultimately counter to egalitarian goals?
Is it the intention that makes the difference? How do we verify a groups intention?
So long as they still have diminished opportunity then. Do the still have diminished opportunity to [play basketball?
Why are they not open to any person who shares their situation of diminished opportunity, regardless of identity ?
Seems like a case of well intended discrimination.
58 years ago (1961) was well into the post Jackie Robinson era of integrated sports. Willie Mays was one of the biggest stars in baseball and blacks were the ascendant group in the NBA after Elgin Baylor. Sports were ahead of the rest of the country regarding racial integration. Portraying a socially affiliated fun league (of which you have linked to other examples) as a response to racial discrimination during that era seems silly.
I have to admit to not being a sports fan and I could have jumped to an unwarranted conclusion. I did a quick look online to see what I could find but didn’t see anything about the start of the all Indian leagues. Except this really interesting piece. http://www.espn.com/highschool/rise/news/story?id=4666620 Rez ball apparently is a place to celebrate their culture.
To clarify these are Pro-Am tournaments that consists mostly of Native Americans from different Sovereign Nations. It’s not an All Indian League that doesn’t allow different races. It’s different tribes playing for money. Many different races play because they are enrolled within Sovereign Nations. If one cannot understand the concept of a Sovereign Nation then maybe they shouldn’t post on a topic about Sovereign Nations. Sadly every American tax payer doesn’t have an IQ over the average mean so perhaps they cannot grasp this concept
That’s an important point!. We all agree that there is nothing wrong with sports leagues who are exclusive to particular nations. Most “native” people seem to be part European today anyway.
Unfortunately, most of those saying the league is not racist are not coming to that position via your excellent reasoning. To them, racism is exclusively about “power” difference between groups, an ideology which requires that you judges people based on group membership to begin with. In their eyes a similar league for poor white kids would be racist, because as a group less white people are poor.
Lighten up. It’s no different from any other socially affiliated group getting together to have fun. Does a gay sports league discriminate against heterosexuals? Would a Catholic or Jewish sports league be practicing religious discrimination? Maybe there’s room for debate over those cases, but I don’t care. It’s not difficult for anyone with the ability and desire to play amateur sports to find a way to play.
Hmm. So because they’re Indian it means they’re low class…[? edit]
That wasn’t what was said.
I know you are stupid enough to think I implied that racebaiter.
For 58 years this tournament sponsored by an all volunteer Hoopa Recreation Committee brought people of native nations to celebrate the sport of basketball. There are dozens of all-Indian tournaments through the Dakotas and the mid-west. The Hoopa tournament was always envied for bringing sportsmanship, comradeship and the celebration of Rez-ball. This young lady has brought shame to the Klamath/Trinity Valley and has stained the fabric of the tournament. In the traditional way she would have been shunted or worse banished. Additionally, the offender would be required to make retribution. To make a money payment is not a substitute for retribution. Payment of money is not the proper option for this young lady. Cutting wood or other chores for elders is the proper restitution and she should be banished from attending future Hoopa tournaments.
Thank you. I was wondering about what restitution would be acceptable. It sounds useful in keeping both the injured party and the person who did the injury from further harm.
Very impressed and moved by mother’s complete investment and sincerity in taking action to rectify ugly moment; she makes no excuses, does not qualify with a single “but …” — a model of authentic remorse. I think personal and community growth could come of this. A bit surprised the terrible slur came from the mouth and mind of this woman’s daughter.
This can be a life lesson for this girl, she can acknowledge her disrespectful behavior and apologize for her rude outbreak. Everyone makes mistakes & youngsters often make poor choices.
She is only remorseful because she was caught. Who know how many times she said this during the game. It must have been plenty for someone to pull out their phone .
This was video she took.
With such a good mother you can bet the girl will grow from this.
jeez, whole lotta of verbiage about hurling one word,
must be a slow news day…
oh right, the internet mobs, forgot about them (you)…
It’s as legitimate to cover as any of the other racially charged incidents at local sports events.
It’s a weighty word.
the kid’s mother is no saint although it is good of her to attempt to protect her daughter from further humiliation. Perhaps the mother can now rethink her actions towards others and her involvement in issues involving both youth and adults. She has frequently belittled and criticized others for their actions; no less than talking directly to young adults saying hurtful things to them about their parents. Specifically i witnessed while the mother caused a young girl to cry after pointing out the fact that her mother was using drugs and was not the best parent; while the child sat alone in the dug out and the mother was the coach. She wasn’t trying to teach her only to be mean. These behaviors are learned. the mother knows how to use the media including print to make things look better or worse than they were. And the fact of the matter is that these behaviors are learned and being raised primarily by this woman, her actions are a direct reflection of her mother, like it or not.
So is the goal to make everyone more civil or to keep a shame battle going on? My poor mother struggled mightily to turn me into behaving in certain ways. Some took and some I resisted with every adolescent hormone in my body. It’s not easy being a parent. Nor is it always easy to forgive slights and insults. But what is the alternative?
There’s a lot of anti black rascism hoopa- let’s just admit it. But I think the mom and kid are having the best possible response, for getting caught in this way. Basically, it comes down to this: if you don’t have experience with a certain type of people, it leads to thinking of them as ‘other’. It’s the same as what happened to natives vs whites and so many other problems. If we get to know other groups we realize they are the same in most ways; some bad, some good and most in the middle.
I have seen natives around here say nigger a lot and I think it’s because they don’t see many black people. I hope that changes over time.
I am not familiar with that story but other that are close to if not similar. The mother tends to bully and instigate confrontations. She often takes up other peoples problems to be socially acceptable in hoopa. [edit] After the incident she immediately went on the defense and said “please pray for my mommy”. I read the article which she states her daughter is so sorry, and this and that. Everyone in the community knows that they have been extreamly vindictive to the people who have leaked the tape. The daughter used her resources to have this boy harmed. The perpetrators need to apologize and let this heal. We have many tribal members who are part black, as in many tribes in the USA. Apologize and dont be the victim.
Yep, a learning moment.
Not necessarily for the young woman, but for an outsider as well. Not soon forgotten.
The Hoopa/Pierce (Arbuckle) incident was never substantiated to be racial and it occurred with a school that is 73% Hispanic. The Hoopa team got chippy when the game started slipping away from them, there was an assault against a Pierce supporter, and tempers flared around the room. Some chuckleheads decided to blame the Pierce Principal for the Hoopa elder’s fall without considering that such an accusation would need corroborating evidence. Then they stopped cooperating with the investigating officers. Playing the race card in that situation was ridiculous.
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
the young lady has learned a lesson in the very hardest of ways…in the public arena.
it would be nice if blacks stopped using the “n” word in their conversations and songs to set an example.
The girl grew up fast with this comment going public. She will never think of this word the same way for the rest of her life. When you do something semi unconsciously, and then become fully conscious, that’s transformational and hopefully permanently so. I would trust her much more, now that this event has come to light.
Racists arent just white people!!
Perfect example….
Of course they aren’t. But you have to admit that white people have the smallest cause for hanging on to hate with a death grip.
what is that supposed to mean? btw that is a racist thing to say
If you choose to see that. I just think that white people, claiming their governments help as a group, historically have won most of the fights in America and have have subsequently made laws for their own benefit. This is not a telling of morality but of history. I don’t think that other groups are above doing the same but only were unable to the same. If you think that mentioning history is racist, there is not much more to discuss.
Your response to my comment below was good, this one not so much. Think more in terms of the here-and-now reality in this country since the late Twentieth Century. It’s a very different legal and social environment from what preceded it.
Except if you have experience or have been told of family experience where that has happened (for example Jim Crow laws), then it is not so easy to pretend that humans have suddenly changed. Even if you want. It takes understanding of the principles and willingness to try again and again and again to act as if those principles are fairly applied to get past experience of them not being. All it takes is one racist with a gun or a Molotov cocktail or a bunch in control of the regulations or feeling safe throwing out epithets for human ugliness to go back 500 years much less 80.
Of course without the willingness to fake it until you make it, only the names of the villains change, not the villainy. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take warning from history. Ours just happens to be a lot white at the moment but it applies to places that are mostly black or red or yellow. All groups became groups through exclusion, usually violent exclusion. You have no idea how deep this runs in the human until you’ve lived as an other. History can been seen as warning of the nature of human villainy unless you choose to be myopic enough to think that it shows the nature of the race instead of the human.
Your first paragraph is a load of rubbish. Racism is racism regardless of what happened 500 or even 80 years ago. Racist violence and abuse of power have the same consequences regardless of whatever historical grievances people may or may not feel.
If there is anything we should be learning, from examples worldwide over the last century, it’s that the politics of historical grievance never lead anywhere good
umm wow. so lets unpack this new load. what rules of law help white people? btw they say we are all born equal well thats not true with the laws that only help native americans (like free fishing). i am not saying to forget history, i am saying time to move forward. there are whole new generations of americans that grew up without systemic racism. i am suggesting it is better for everyone if we try to co-mingle or assimilate, instead of staying in a league of their own just because thats how it started years ago. its kinda like a merger or i have no problem if they want to keep their league but i feel they shouldnt discriminate based on race and yes the whole they are part of a tribe thing only counts when they are trying to get representation politically or government wise, other than that it is purely a race issue.
There is no reason to get a “do over” with history so clearly in evidence. Of course that means that cherry picking history to use as a weapon sucks when any particular group chooses to try that. Whether they attempt to spin it for shaming or for self glorification.
what i want (you) people to understand is that i didnt do any of those racist things so yes i can say that was the past now lets move forward. why must i tolerate racism because people before me were racist?
I’ll scrap with anyone who makes remarks that I feel are racists toward me or mine. But the fact that I didn’t personally hold the fire hoses on children in Birmingham in the 1960s doesn’t mean I get to dismiss those uglinesses as irrelevant. Racists attacks like those are where I learned to fear racism that I had not personally experienced. I won’t be guilted about it for someone else’s agenda but ignoring the history of racism because someone wants to spread guilt on with a ladle doesn’t serve me well either. The KKK still exists, the Nation of Islam still exists. It has not disappeared and never will.
I have heard remarks from black co-workers about white skin being ugly. I have worked for a Hispanic man who would only hire Hispanic people, no matter how incompetent, unless he had no other option. I have also heard white people do the same thing with black people. And one racist incident that entailed race based violence against me that I won’t talk about. Unlike the disingenuous idea going the rounds in Progressive circles, it all stinks the same no matter who is the minority and who is the majority.
Just like me, you received inheritances that depended on that history. Your education, your economics in the womb, stress levels in utero and in life, your housing ( you can research the economic impacts of the 08 recession by race and you can research the assigning of subprime mortgage status prior to 08 by race and other acts of housing discrimination for 50 years before that ), in applications of legal penalties when facing a court, in frequency of charges when facing police, in likelihood of being harassed in a place of business, your father’s and mother’s education, and even in the likelihood of your near relative being made to walk the point while on patrol in the American War in Viet Nam. You could look it up. But you won’t.
I knew a woman who used to shriek “My ancestors never owned slaves.” She also repeated the phrase, “I never did anything to those people.” The sad thing about that woman was that she had been a theater usher in high school and had been prepared to send her black friends to the balcony should they ever disrespect the rules. She was sad about it and seemed to think that fixed the problem. And of course they never got to be ushers themselves. Then she twice refused to sell her house to black families because she couldn’t do that to the neighbors. She placed her kids in schools that discriminated against the largest all black city in America by taking the tax base that rightly should have funded their schools.
Oh, and she had one famous ancestor that she knew of — Jefferson Davis.
If you’ll give up all of the benefits of that past or at least use them on behalf of those who received the other end of the stick I’ll truly believe you want to move forward together. Otherwise you”re just riding the gravy train and pretending not to know where the gravy came form. I’m sure you can come up with at least one currently active instance of discrimination against some group other than your own to try to fix through your idealistic efforts.
B- that’s a lovely no win-for-whites situation you fantasized into existence. So anyone who was ever a member of a race that discriminated against another race is forever assumed to be receiving unjustified advantage? With that convenient rationale for excusing failure for all members of one race by throwing the blame in perpetuity on all members of another, who would ever want to achieve anything? If white, everything is considered fair game for being responsible for other people’s behavior over which they have no control and resulting extortion for compensation while, if black, who will overcome the assumption that they are owed and not responsible. Which already seems like the goals of many. All that can get is everyone ending up in the same swamp. That’s certainly one form of equality. Not that hardly anyone ever wants equality. In truth they just want more.
Receiving stolen property (or the benefits of any other injustice) is an injustice whether you received it yesterday or your father received it 50 years ago. Yeah, that puts a lot of people in a position where we would have to WORK for justice rather than for our self interest. And that responsibility would be a real disadvantage in a culture that worships self interest (which, like a fantasy God, always results in the greatest good).
I have a lot of individual power, working for justice, as do many of my friends of many ancestral backgrounds. Just a lot less convenience and comfort. I don’t think this is a conundrum for white people more than any other people.
There are ZERO new generations of Americans that grew up without systemic racism.
can you name an example of institutional racism (systemic racism) that is still around today?
Studies consistently show that job applicants with black sounding names get called back about half as often as applicants with white sounding names. http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
Black people convicted of a crime are more likely to be sentenced to prison than white people convicted of the same crime. And to receive longer sentences. https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing
Black drivers are more likely to be pulled over than whites.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/09/you-really-can-get-pulled-over-for-driving-while-black-federal-statistics-show/?utm_term=.c5de95100b7a
That you don’t know this when the information is so available is an example of racism being such a part of the system that its participants can’t see the problem.
i believe that there is racism everywhere. but what systemic racism is is when there are racist rules in a system, its not when people are racist personally. systemic racism is when there is a rule that says black people have to sit at the back of the bus
No, that’s a misunderstanding. The man who is known as the one who developed the term, “systematic racism” defined it this way,
https://www.thoughtco.com/systemic-racism-3026565
I think you mean overt political racism. Does January 2017 count? President Trump signed the Executive order that citizens from 7 predominately Muslim countries were blanket banned from the US. He had proposed a “shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” https://www.c-span.org/video/?401762-1/presidential-candidate-donald-trump-rally-mount-pleasant-south-carolina&start=1830. Now technically this is a religious bigotry not racism except that the color of the people being banned is significantly browner than those otherwise being let in.
Kym so much, where to start? Anyone who defines systematic racism as “complex array of antiblack practices, the unjustly gained political-economic power of whites, the continuing economic and other resource inequalities along racial lines, and the white racist ideologies and attitudes created to maintain and rationalize white privilege and power” has already excused the same behavior in one race to ensure another race is convicted by definition. That is a definition where being white is the evidence for conviction. A heck of a bigoted principle. And not one that will result in anything good.
Maybe the singling out of Muslims in certain countries might have to do with the history of those countries in sponsoring and condoning overseas terrorism as a state policy. Maybe those States took that agenda on as a matter of racism themselves if using your own standards. If you are eager to assume racism in Trump’s actions based on the coincidence of assigning brown skin versus white skin to the participants, you might find yourself forced in doing the same the same when you look at Muslim terrorists attacks. Probably 90% of the world is “non white” by your definition and thus white people are incapable of racism by the equally bigoted theory that says only the majority in power can be racist. Both those are afunctional definitions of convenience for those who demand government fix biology. For without such fantasies, the progessives’s agenda can’t keep itself afloat.
Systematic racism is a description of a system that adversely affects some people. There is systematic sexism as I am sure you are also aware. Being white doesn’t mean you subscribe to a system or are guilty of perpetuating it. However, it means you benefit from it whether you intend to or not.
The singling out of Muslims in certain countries as more likely to commit terrorism would be more impressive if say, those countries actually were the ones most implicated in terror attacks. The country that produced the most implicated in the 9/11 terrorism was Saudia Arabia but Trump’s policy blindly avoids them (Could this have anything to do with economic interest?) Not one fatal terrorist attack in the US between 1975 and 2015 included perpetrators from the countries banned by the Trump administration. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/trump-immigration-ban-terrorism/514361/ Does that make sense to you?
It is really worth looking at the list of countries in that article which had foreign born individuals “who committed or were convicted of attempting to commit a terrorist attack on U.S. soil by their country of origin and the number of people they killed.”
The top 25 most damaging to the US are not included in that ban. Does that sound like an attack on terrorism or an attack on Muslim immigrants to satisfy racists followers without offending wealthy countries that Trump has economic ties to?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/six-minnesota-men-charged-conspiracy-provide-material-support-islamic-state-iraq-and-levant
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/new-york-man-sentenced-over-22-years-prison-attempting-recruit-fighters-isil
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/liban-haji-mohamed
A number have been linked to SUPPORTING terrorism by recuiting second generation and other Americans to fight for ISIS. A few were caught planning attacks and arrest before they acted.
Beside it wasn’t a refugee ban but a 6 month suspension because the refugee security check system had basically collapsed in the Obama administration. Verification of stories offered by the refugees became impossible to verify due to destruction of records, embassy personnel being denied access and intimidation of refugees by people seeking to impose their agenda inside refugee camps. This has been a problem acknowledged But unaddressed for years.
There will always be zero generations who grow up without systemic racism as long as such useless definitions of it make sure to excuse one race from the accusation of racists behavior while blaming another. If you define racism as white, then white people have no reason to participate in eliminating it.
There are a million reasons for white people to eliminate injustice even when benefiting from it. People, of any group, who only defend their own rights are probably not the deepest warriors for justice.
More than that, white people (or anyone interested in justice) have motive to fight back against what is actually anti white racism. Yes there are millions of reasons for white people to eliminate injustice even when benefiting from it. That includes the racist attempt to redefine racism. The man who coined the term did not intend for the concept to replace other notions of racism.
We will never end racism by demonizing white allies.
“Being white doesn’t mean you subscribe to a system or are guilty of perpetuating it. However, it means you benefit from it whether you intend to or not. ”
Nope. Not all whites benefit from white privilege. Of course there are multiple competing definitions of white privilege.
I would like to respond to the links kym provided and the muslim ban but its difficult for me to type right now and it takes weeks to look into statistical methods for each issue. Took me 3 months to go over the gender pay gap papers. Punchline there is that the gap is 7% when the stats are done properly but that within the margin of error.
It does appear that black males receive longer sentences than white males, for the same crimes. The same paper shows that women receive shorter sentences then men, regardless of race.
…..which is why they generally don’t. It is regarded as unacceptable. But when racial minorities act racist towards others it tends to get overlooked or excused somehow.
Acknowledging there are heavy issues left unresolved is not the same as condoning different standards. It is possible to acknowledge grievances without giving a pass on behaving badly. However this does seem to be a hard concept for many to grasp. Many people tend to equate the word “victim” with absolutely innocence and are very reluctant to allow any taint of criticism to be applied to a victim lest someone declare they “deserved” what they got. IE victim shaming has been used to allow a victimizer to get away with crimes while accusations of victim shaming have be used to allow victims to get a pass on their own bad behavior. People love to reduce everything to black and white simplicity.
Thank you for acknowledging the nuances and ambiguities surrounding racial issues. The “racism is prejudice plus power” trope is used to excuse racism on the part of certain people among its many other failings.
A very select few of the nuances and ambiguities.
I don’t believe that her remark is evidence that she is racist at all. Id say the same is she was white.
My daughter is Yurok and listens to some really explicit gangster rap, her and her cousins and social group use the n word like it ain’t no thing. I get on her frequently to watch her mouth around me, in my home, and around her younger siblings. Sadly some Native American’s including our youth have accepted gangsterism, and the violent drug infused lifestyle as part of their cultural heritage. As it continues to be the norm it becomes the culture for some groups and families. As a “white” mom with a mixed child I can tell you that there is a lot of racism toward me and my daughter, who is fair skinned, by many tribal members and very little tribal support for her. This has in part led her to seek out groups within the tribe that accept here and offer certain protections.
Not only Native American teens listens to that music and accept those lyrics as normal, it’s everywhere now, it’s like it’s ok it’s just a song, and we adults don’t have same opinion.
It’s just a word. Who cares. [edit] This is the worst punishment this girl could have gotten and I’m sure she will learn from it. Hold your head up girl go back to school. Do something positive and everyone will forget. I’m sick of this racist crap. I’m a white boy [edit] if you want to know. Yee ha love America. Home of the free. The past is the past tomorrow is a new day.and to the guy who was called that he said he’s above that racists crap. Good for him.keep playing ball
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If that word is in your vocabulary, you are NOT “a good person”
That would include almost every African American, almost every American novelist and Kym Kemp. It’s a word in everyone’s vocabulary just some fear to let it out and other love to let out.
Minority’s have always been at each other. Sure don’t know why but it’s a sad fact
So…. she’s had 9 days to apologize. All this second and third hand plea for sympathy on the girl’s part, but nothing directly from the one who used the slur? I agree with ‘proof is in the parenting’, in that home environment is the core. The tearful denials of the mother sound so scripted “I taught her to love…. everyone?”, etc. Seriously? How about we hear how she taught her daughter to admit her mistakes, and resolve them. Apologize to the recipient, apologize to the community if needed, apologize to the school if needed. There, you’ve actually shown you are sorry you showed a side of yourself that was shameful. If they don’t forgive you, it’s on them, not you any longer, Grasshopper. Am I missing something?
“”She said her daughter, who has deep connections to her Hupa heritage, is “discussing with her family what type of restoration needs to be made to the individual and in a public forum…We’re writing the gentleman a letter and we’re writing a letter to the All Indian committee.”” Hopefully this will do if carried out with honesty and found acceptable.
The young man is my nephew and he is a blessed and talened athlete. He works in prevention for the Warm Springs Confedederated Tribe. He’s a a wonderful individual and her remark only made an ass out of her because he is above racist rants and slurs that comes from crowds. This girl knew what she said and the mother should be embarrassed by her daughters actions.
What a B****
Nothing like keeping it going down the toilet.
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
Some folks give too much power to words. Get over it. Get over yourself. For some reason modern culture likes to make mountains out of mole hills… do people really just need drama?
Trump does apparently. John McCain should begin haunting him immediately.
#RIPJohnMcCain 🇺🇸
#GoToHellTraitorTrump 🔥🇷🇺🔥
McCain was a neocon war hawk. The cognitive dissonance required for “liberals” to praise a person like him amazes me. Moar War!…. well, he was aligned with Hillary Clinton on foreign policy.
I didn’t admire his hawkish positions. I admired his personal integrity and dignity. It is possible to like and admire someone that you don’t completely agree with. Conversely, there are people who I share a number of political views with that I neither like nor admire.
He was willing to sacrifice the lives of men and women to insure USA hegemony. His public persona doesn’t matter a single bit when he actively helped along the war machine. As a POW he should have known better the atrocity of wars and that they are never fought for righteous causes despite what BS the plebians are sold.
i agree and i would also add that that man did not have personal integrity. i would even go further to question if he was deep state
I agree with Ullr Rover and Tax Payer about him. Here’s just one of the thousands of reasons why, which appears to put Tax’s guess in the ballpark. https://www.theepochtimes.com/deposition-reveals-late-senator-mccains-role-in-spygate-scandal_2840198.html
HOW DOES IT GO?
You post comments inferring DEW laser beams and orbs started CA wildfires, and you falsely claimed the media “tints Trump orange”.
Yet your upset that “unverified” information was passed on by McCain to others, in regards to a potential president that spread Obama birther conspiracy lies?
Let us just think about that.
The discussion should not be turned into what McCain was. It isn’t hard to honor a guy that didn’t lie to get rich and avoid service.
The discussion should be the madness at hand:
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/donald-trump-twitter-sunday/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F%3Fadsqa%3Dappname%253Dsqa%26cid%3Dsamsung-quick-access
Stop disillusioning yourselves.
And I don’t like anybody very much!! Line from a folk song in the sixties.
Squarehead
a Nordic person, such as a Scandinavian or a German. Refers to either the stereotyped shape of their heads, or to the shape of the Stahlhelm M1916 steel helmet, or to its owner’s stubbornness (like a block of wood).
If I recorded someone yelling this ethnophaulism at me would it garner a single bit of attention or discussion? Of course not. It should be the same for the rest of the immature name-calling.
In the case of the video, the ethnophaulism simply translates to “black”… hardly offensive.
Squarehead is a mild slur and thus denotes a mile level of lack of respect. Nigger is a word that our society has mostly agreed is one of the worst slurs, especially if yelled by a non-black person at a black person. It thus denotes a very high level of disrespect.
Note: I heard from someone who was there that there were biracial children at this event who heard the slur and were depressed just hearing it hurled at another. I haven’t confirmed that but I believe it to be true. Whether one agrees that someone should be offended or hurt by the name is really irrelevant to whether they are hurt.
…and why do we teach our kids to be offended by the utterances of, otherwise, impotent words?
That’s my point. If someone called my kids a squarehead (I’ve given them the history of the slur) they wouldn’t blink and certainly would not have been depressed.
I don’t know about every individual case but I know I try and teach my kids to be sensitive to the concerns of others. If it offends someone, unless there is a solid reason not to do it, don’t do it. You aren’t offended by squarehead. But let’s say that many folks are, how does it serve either your kids or those who are offended for your kids to start calling folks Squareheads?
It doesn’t serve. Considering we don’t put much weight on group identity, insulting a group to offend an individual would be meaningless. I’ve taught my kids to judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin.
Ullr,
The difference from squarehead to nigger is that as a sqaurehead descendent, your family has been white, and allowed to vote, since coming as early as 1800.
Blacks were owned, whipped, caged on a whole, not individually.
Its ownership. Its oppression. It’s old concepts that their inferior. Its white ownership of black people.
Even with the 15th amendment it was 1965 that voting rights were enacted “completely” for black people.
There is no comparison to squarehead, or any other “name” you come up with to nigger.
Germans today are rightfully embarrassed Hitler and exterminating Jews was their recent history.
It’s ok to acknowledge ours as Americans.
There are no German descendent representatives in US who decry the use of squarehead; because it’s not used.
Do you know where my next paragraph is going?
You are too caught up in group identity. None of these words mean shit if you think of yourself and everyone else as individuals. Humans throughout history have been atrocious to one another because of some perceived group difference. That fact is in no way, shape or form limited to any group of any color.
Butter side up or butter side down? (The Butter Battle) Star or no star? (The Sneetches)
Shoot, ring the bell when you bring something relevant to my rebuttal of your comparing squarehead to nigger.
The fact is there is no black man that wants your white arse to call them a nigger.
What’s hard to understand about that?
Brian- why would any rational person give away so much power as to care what anyone calls them? Regardless of your biased perception of what is relevant.
Because barely 100 years ago white men in America owned [edit]
There were no black people. They weren’t people. The word came with the deeds.
Your ignoring this blatant fact.
The way we live now is respecting each other as equals; white or black.
I’m no bitch. Call me names I don’t care. I’m white (in appearance).
If I was black and a white guy called me nigger I’d take that as an invitation to eat his face with my knee.
Because a white man calling a black man a nigger in 2019 in transgression has obvious historical relevence.
Much more so than squareheaded “insults”, which most German decendents wouldn’t even understand as an insult.
154 years ago. No one alive was owned by the white men you talk about. When is it OK for people to stop playing the victim when the actual victims are long dead?
https://youtu.be/i8UqbASjQCo
I don’t know. Maybe they’ll stop feeling like victims when they stop being economically and otherwise disadvantaged.
My children have a leg up in society because we worked hard AND because we benefited from our parents having a solid start in life. If we deprive people of the fruits of their labor, their children are deprived also. It’s as if you are comparing the last runners of a relay team to each other without looking at where and how they were handed off to by the runners that came before.
Maybe people will stop “playing” victims, when they finally able to overcome the massive disadvantages that comes from descending from people that were enslaved, raped, families broken up, material goods and land stolen from them.
My husband’s father’s father killed his mother. That pain is still rippling from my husband to our children. I can see it. We all have our own pain. BUT entire races–Native American, Blacks, Hispanics, Chinese–had their lives warped by members of our culture to our culture’s economic advantage and their culture’s economic disadvantage. Understandably it is going to take more than a generation for that to heal. So, when people stop being victimized by the ripples that are still flowing from the original evil, maybe then they’ll stop “playing” victim.
Would you visit your family in Germany, and refer to Jews as swine?
If you think yes…
Brian-why did you assume I was German? I’m not. My family is from Norway. My mom and aunt remember the Nazis well. The Nazi commander took their house as his own. Does that make me a victim of the Nazis? Only if I let it.
Beyond that your comment is idiotic. I treat every individual with the respect they reciprocate. I don’t care about their ethnicity in context of more or less deserving of respect.
(Edit: apparently you deleted your comment. I’ll let mine stand.)
Kym, when you have a moment, please watch the video I linked above.
The single largest factor that determines poverty in any western community, black or otherwise, is children being raised by a single mother. And, specifically, the percentage of single mother households among black communities has risen from 22% in 1960 to 75% now.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/23/barack-obama/statistics-dont-lie-in-this-case/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/
This isn’t systematic racism; this is something that can be reversed by people making responsible choices…
That ignores: black male incarceration rates.
Systemic. All day.
Black males commit violent crime at a much higher rate than any ethnic group in the USA by a large margin. That is why they are incarcerated at such a high rate.
This goes back to having a father in the household.
Studies repeatedly show that minorities are incarcerated for the same crimes more often and sentenced longer than whites. Your responses repeatedly ignore outside influences. (And I could only choke the first few minutes of that video. Neither the woman nor the man impressed me) Yes, everyone would be better off if we ignored the influences in our life that lead us to make bad decisions–it is easy for us all to argue, if only black and brown people would just fix themselves my life would be better.
BUT, ignoring the role historic injustice and current injustice plays in there being no father in the home when black men are incarcerated at higher rates and for longer times seems an almost willful lack of comprehension.
With regards to you putting weight on the value of ethnic slurs, that is just idiotic. Individuals choose how to act or react.
I have not used the word “whining”, nor implied as much, in any of these comments.
You think calling someone squarehead is the same transgression as calling someone nigger.
That’s your arguement all along.
I’m too tired to debate that level of ignorance anymore.
Swatstikas and White power hand symbols from hundreds of white school students in America recently – conjoined with the White Power hand symbols from the New Zealand shooter in court paint a picture of normalized racism.
Your activity in that normalizing is on display.
Brian, I never pretended to make any such argument. My argument is that people give too much power to words used as an insult because of historic context. And, in doing so, they give up their ability to act and react as an individual.
Ullr, you manage to turn my black hair grey sometimes!!
If I was wrong in summary of your points, sorry. I think it could be read as I stated, but I also tend to think your better than immature name calling.
But if what you say is your point, then I would say maybe you don’t give enough weight to some words.
Whether its legitimacy, empathy or understanding, theres no need to call a black man by a slave reference.
And it is ok to make a point of teaching that to the youth.
Ok. I assumed because you didn’t specify between nordic-germaic.
The point is clear with my reference.
If you treat people with respect you understand the difference of the word nigger to squarehead.
It’s not complicated yet you go on and on. Guest too.
Its amazing that you two find so much defensible debate for the term nigger, yet you always scream to know history.
How does this jive?
You think because a black man is offended by whites calling him nigger, its whining?
Sounds more like your whining you can’t call blacks niggers without amazing reactive comments.
That screams ignorance.
Ullr, the more I though of this discussion at work, I’ll say that you are:
Normalizing Racism by denying “Niggar” is more than lame “name calling”.
The honus of proving there is no dominant white on black racism is on you.
There is racism. Nigger is racist terminology, and adds to systemic racism, that our Country was built on.
There are articles every 5 days proving this.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/21/us/police-stops-race-stanford-study-trnd/index.html?utm_content=2019-03-21T18%3A10%3A03&utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fp5p5e4NTMg
How does it serve to repeatedly define racist as white only? What happens when and if the players change?
Hate speech is possible from every group in or out of power. However, systematic racism requires one group to have power. So, certainly it is possible for those not in power to treat those not of the in power group hatefully. (As a white woman alone on a street in Oakland, I’ve experienced that.) But to be outraged about an out of power group forming an exclusive basketball league in order to enjoy time with people in their culture while they are simultaneously being excluded from other groups seems like being outraged that a child managed to steal a candy from a adult that beat him while taking his entire meal. (I’m a lot troubled by framing this as a victim behavior–to me it seems strong and healthy to find ways to survive in a world that is stacked against you but I’m struggling to define this also)
To me, it seems telling that some folks find the small place they are excluded outrageous, while the large place they are included that excludes others is not important. I just find that hard to grasp as fair.
You think there is no power outside of government? You think that power does not exist in minority dominated areas? You don’t think there is power in the media that is used by minorities? That is the source of most outrage that you respond to- your own power and the media in general.
And I doubt that anyone much was outraged at an all Indian league although I could be wrong. Where the outrage came in was in the double standard of assuming an all white anything is vile and racist while refusing to apply the same standards to an all-any-other-race everything. As a media source, that is commonly seen.
Beside you should attend a pow wow when white Indian wannabes show up- it’s illuminating as to human nature with the same mixture of humans as is everywhere. Some generous, some whose innate politeness is obviously stretched and some who don’t bother with hiding their anger. Humans like to associate with similar people- it so much easier but it is racist.
Maybe so much time shouldn’t be spent assigning unreasonable definitions to spin the word racism for self aggrandizement and more time on when racism is simply not going to be acceptable. And when it is, although that is pretty low hanging fruit as far as principle goes.
All white by exclusion professional basketball existed from 1943 till 1950.
Sorry you missed your chance.
Power belongs to the individual. The U.S. is not a democracy, it’s a Republic.
These individuals found their individual power, then joined together as they walked away from the victimization rhetoric.
Blexit
Lexit
Jexodus
Walkaway
etc
“You’re a victim so vote for me so I can help you” has gotten so old it’s mold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR-Yx4yF3Fw
walkaway documonial
Laser beams video?
Orange tint?
Who’s defining racist as white only?
Why are we forced into believing there is only one definition of that word, when in fact there are several?
Why are certain groups allowed to use the forbidden word in affectionate expressions, while others are persecuted for doing the same?
Like the word Bad: Bad can mean: horrible, cool, awesome, evil, rad, unbelievable, no good, … so must be used in context.
It’s bad to use certain words when not in proper context.
Some words are easier slipped than others, because our radio’s play them all day long.
Why are certain bands praised for using certain forbidden words?
Celebrities have forever complained about the contracts they have to sign in order to remain or to become a star. They have to give up control of their fashion, their muse, their freedom of speech, their free schedules, and more. Yet, we’re supposed to believe they’re singing their truth.
Christina outlines what goes on behind the scenes. Take a look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q2j5ApzSqs&feature=youtu.be
The difference with Ferndale situation was that it was so-called “adults” yelling the stupid shit. That doesn’t excuse the kid but it’s not as horrible…
Not true. It was a confrontation between kids and kids.
But, but, but, if they aren’t white, they can’t be racist 🙄🙄
Another game, and incident involving the Hoopa community. That group has great athletes and a highly competitive drive, but they have to relax when playing a game. The players on the opposite side of the court are not enemies. They are human being, just like you.
I’m not going to touch the racism issue, here, but saying hateful things about your opponent, during or after the game, or to your opponent only escalates any tension that may or may not be in the gymnasium, then we no longer have a friendly game.
In one more point, the mother of the athlete in question, had to come in and try to clear the air after the game is finished and reality had set in. It’s pretty clear that the majority of the Hoopa community knows right from wrong, but some individuals get caught up in the moment, and go overboard and spoil the spirit of friendly competition.
This may be an opportunity to introduce sportsmanship training.
This has a huge impact on the community. What the mother did not say is she is Non Native, lives in Willow Creek and raised her girl there. She needs to step up and make this right. Her ties are slim to none.
wrong she did say she was not native but her daughter is (so her dad is hupa). sorry to be a stickler but it is in the story
Maybe reading this will be cathartic for some people and they can just get over past language use:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
I feel bad for her. That word is a terrible word. Now that being said it is a common word in lots of mainstream music. It is used so much that the meaning is not the same as it was 20 years ago. I hope the community would let this girl get her education she probably has learned a lot from this.
i wouldnt go to use the music excuse (you can listen to something that doesnt use that word) but i would give her the ‘young’ excuse. we all make mistakes
Some people are drug addicts. When both parents have a long history of drug abuse there tends to be a lot of diversion to accept responsibility. If the family is so traditional they should have made payment. I feel this is a diversion and a way to alleviate the mass scrutiny that the family has created. In conclusion, to threaten the person that leaked the video shows behavior consistant to sociopath criminalstic behavior.
Is there any chance we can blame the fight over the McKinley statue for this?
If not, let’s just “Blame Trump!”
The most valuable life lessons often come at a great price..the mother is right..there is no excuse,only a life lesson learned..the ramifications are the natural course of things,and part of her lesson..She must find her way to forgiveness..but that too can be a journey…
I grew up in the inner city and went to public school, we all said that word black, yellow, red and white (well not with the er on the end that would have been racist.) but it was more like calling someone home-boy or at other times calling them fool it never meant “black-person”. Then I got out of high school and went to work and for a few years the word would slip out when I got too relaxed or excited, it never went over well even though I didn’t mean for it to be offensive, suddenly it was unacceptable and after embarrassing myself a few times I stopped saying it. harder habit to break than you might think… Anyway being a poor white girl talking trash among peers is one thing once you are a white woman in the world you better clean that s*** up, just the way the world works. Anyway we all need to clean up the ugly no matter who we are… I feel for her though life lessons are hard to learn sometimes.
I like your personal story/comment.
I think a lot of people can resonate with it.
Thanks for sharing your POV.
Kym, your comment formatting is making it very difficult to maintain a coherent discussion. By stopping the video you missed the two other short commentaries by 2 other men.
The high rate of incarceration among black man is the consequence of single parent households, not the other way around. This hold true across all ethnic groups. If you are brought up by a single mother the chances of you being in the criminal justice system goes up dramatically without regards to skin color.
“The strongest predictor of whether a person will end up in prison, is that they were raised by a single parent”. C.C. Harper and S.S. McLanahan, “Father Absence and Youth Incarceration”, Paper presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Assoc., San Francisco, CA, 1998
In 1996, 70% of inmates in state juvenile detention centers serving long sentences, were raised by single mothers. Wade Horn, “Why There Is No Substitute For Parents”, IMPRIMIS 26, NO.6, June, 1997
The proportion of single-parent households in a community predicts its rate of violent crime and burglary, but the community’s poverty level does not. Source: D.A. Smith and G.R. Jarjoura, “Social Structure and Criminal Victimization,” Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency 25. 1988.”
72% of juvenile murderers, and 60% of rapists came from single mother homes. Chuck Colson, “How Shall We Live?” Tyndale House , 2004, p.323
“After controlling for single motherhood, the difference between black and white crime rates disappeared.” Progressive Policy Institute, 1990, quoted by David Blankenhorn, “Fatherless America: Confronting Our Most Urgent Social Problem,” New York, Harper Perennial, 1996, p.31
“…a study co-authored by Cynthia C. Harper of the University of California at San Francisco and Sara McLanahan, a professor at Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs who has authored a wide range of studies about disadvantaged Americans.
They found that once you control for other factors, such as family income, a child growing up in a mother-only household was almost twice as likely as a child growing up in a mother-father household to end up incarcerated. That would put the percentage somewhere around 60 percent, which is broadly in line with the other studies.”
This really is irrelevant. Your still ignoring systemic racism with your comments.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/03/21/us/police-stops-race-stanford-study-trnd/index.html?utm_content=2019-03-21T18%3A10%3A03&utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&r=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fp5p5e4NTMg
You are straight up assuming that black males leave homes behind and commit more crime as the basis for your position.
Please do tell when you find stats on black men who aren’t in jail leaving children behind at home compared to white men.
Ullr Rover, the video you linked to earlier was very informative and mature. Mr. Elder made quite an impression on me, thanks for posting that.
After watching that video, I noticed Brandon Tatum in the sidebar. He lays it flat out straight up. I love the end especially. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBopAmefXo
Ya. But you said the same thing for videos from Flat Earthers, conmen and neo nazis when posted by HumCo.
Sorry, but your video reviews will likely be ignored by rationals.