Panel on Measure K, a Sanctuary Initiative, Held at HSU Last Night

Measure K panel.

Measure K panel. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

Last night at Humboldt State University an open forum was held on Measure K which if passed would prohibit local law enforcement agencies from cooperating with ICE and other federal agencies on immigration issues.
A panel of representatives was on deck to respond to questions by the public.  Panelists included Eric Kirk, a local attorney representing Measure K, Women’s International League of Peace and Freedom (WILPF) Linda Evans, Anayeli Auza Scholars Without Borders student mentor, Monica García representing Students of HSU, and Sheriff William Honsal, representing the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department. On behalf of Centro Del Pueblo, Elizabeth Phillips moderated the panel.
All but Honsal urged passing the proposal which they say emphasized public safety.
Live stream footage of the full debate can be found by following these links below.

KMUD has archived sound from the meeting here:

The Sheriff’s Department just released a report regarding the proposed ballot measure, detailing statistics and a written explanation as to the Humboldt County Sheriff’s position regarding the local sanctuary measure. (Read it here.)
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  • Measure K: The Cartel Bill of Rights.
    It is little surprise to me that Eric Kirk is so clueless as to what is happening in the remote grow hills of Humboldt. Some of the dirtiest grows are produced by foreigners, sometimes crewed by Mexicans over-lorded by eastern Europeans. Mexican grow grunts I have spoken with were not here because they wanted to be or because they expected to make any money. Their managers are dangerous criminals. Regard the slaughter in Mexico! These are cartels getting a big foothold in Humboldt. Cartels are made of many people, and it’s only the few capos that are treated as criminals. Protecting the little people only aggravates this huge problem. Thanks NOT, Eric.

    • wow that’s crazy. the Mexican grow grunts, your words not mine, are no different than a Mexican landscaping crew. they aren’t cartel. even crazier is stating that the Bulgarians have teamed up with the cartel. the cartel would never come to Humboldt if it weren’t for the massive demand of heroin. the US has drug problem not mexico.

    • Woods, I mentioned your letter in the forum last night. So I’ll put the question to you here now – if they know they won’t be turned over to ICE when they call, do you think the “Mexican grunts” are more likely to turn in their “overlords” or less likely?

      • You think one more law will relieve them of their fears?

        • It will mitigate them.

          • They do not fear our law enforcement. They fear their “cartel overlords” that’s why they don’t rat them out. If they were to contact our police they would 1. have to have enough evidence to actually convicts them of something. But 2 . The “cartel overlords” would be protected by the same Sanctuary bulshit the grunts are.

            • No sanctuary law will protect anybody from a drug prosecution.

              • Oh come on, you know full well what a joke our police enforcement is, they are held back by so much red tape it’s not even funny. So say a grunt rats out his boss man. Even if they come and bust the boss man and take him to jail,the other boss man is going to send another grunt to wack the grunt that rated out the other boss man. This is the same reason why there can be 30 shooting in Chicago over one weekend and nobody sees nothing. .

                • It has no bearing on Measure K. Someone has to be arrested for Measure K to even kick in for most cases. There’s no point in calling ICE on a release date if the person isn’t in jail.

              • If an illegal alien is prosecuted for a drug charge, they should also be deported!

      • The usual suspects on this fake “panel:” communists and criminal alien lovers. Disgusting. We need to repeal the 1965 Immigration Act, build a wall and deport them all. No more anchor babies. This is insanity. And that anyone calling themselves a citizen would promote this attack on the constitution, our safety and our liberty is certainly treasonous.

        REMEMBER KATE STEINLE
        REMEMBER MOLLIE TIBBETTS

        • Very familiar prose.

        • Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
          https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

          Friendlies don’t carry foreign flags while marching towards the border, bursting across border lines and/or during protests and marches against the invaded country.

        • Yeah, you know, it’s too bad that so many people have to suffer at the hands of the sort of despicable traitors seen in this picture.

      • Same lilkhood which is zero.

  • Humboldt-The Gateway County

  • a Sanctuary Initiative, what a bunch of bullshit!

    • The opposite of Jim Crow, would be living legal and free anywhere USA where the heart desires to be, not stuck in some rinky dink town or state without jobs or hope. Even the water was drained out to sea so the food crops couldn’t grow. Nefarious planning at best.

      Bring back our water, our crops, our jobs, our liberties, and fix the laws that created the hold ups at the immmigration.

  • You are clueless, the Mexican cartels have guerilla grows in the national forests that are out of control, I’ve got them all around me. Have you seen the huge list of TrinCo creeks that are testing with Carbufan in them? We can’t drink our water anymore and all the wildlife is gone. Anyone thinking this is a good thing needs to do some environmental or social volunteer work in Stockton. Again, mi Abuelo-in-law almost got his ass blown off as a Marine on Iwo Jima so he could immigrate legally from Mexico to become a proud US citizen. Ask him what he thinks of this shit. It’s a spit in his face and all the other millions who became proud citizens legally.

    • I look forward to reviewing the analytical lab reports but environmental health has not released them to the public, I don’t even know if they actually exist. the huge list of creeks is 1. I lived in Lodi and worked in Stockton, lots of Mexican workers on every farm, the only white dude was the owner. I would imagine that a few of them are growing in the hills for extra money, but calling them Cartel with no proof is what I would call ignorant.

      • The list of creeks was posted in an article here at RHBB, and you have no clue, I work directly with the Sheriff. These guys are just peasants with their families back home with a gun to their head till the pot shows up. So the guys in the picture I got on my gamecam were hiking stuff in through the snow in April to get set up early. A few years back FS found a camp just a mile from me where the bastards had a hundred animal heads on sticks, bear, deer, anything they killed incidental or just to eat. Last year 2 kids showed up at a house at the top of the mountain scared out of their wits, couldn’t speak a lick of english and had Mexican national ID’s with Stockton addresses. They just wanted the F out of here and were asking how. Next day driving out I saw a 4 man cartel hit squad looking for them, I know what they look like, grew up on the border most of the time on the other side, they all give you the look “don’t you f8cking look me in the eye dead man”. Now I am used to that if I take a wrong turn going to the Gigante in Mexicali, but on a national forest road where I live? I am sick of this bullshit!

    • Chuck – those millions came at a time when the quotas weren’t so severe against Mexicans. Because of the limits applied to each country per year, the waiting list for Mexicans is in the millions. If you have a spouse or parent legally in the US you can probably get in much faster (but Trump wants to do away with what he calls “chain immigration” even though that’s how much of his family did it). If you have work lined up you can get a work visa and probably get your citizenship within 5 years or so, if you’re lucky. But most don’t have family here legally or work lined up. The wait, assuming it’s granted at all, can be as long as 25 years, with the average being about 21 years.

      It wasn’t always this way, so those people whom you think are being “slapped,” maybe you want to talk to them before speaking for them.

      As for the water issues, there are plenty of citizens adding to that problem.

      • Eric, just how many half dead Mexicans have you picked up in the desert? I have picked up plenty, I used to run a safari service in Anza-Borrego. I picked up a couple of guys from Chiapas that were within a hair of death from dehydration, hopelessly lost in the middle of the Carrizo Badlands and one guy had gangrene so bad on his thrashed feet from hiking in cowboy boots there was no doubt he was loosing his leg. They were grateful for me to drop them off at a border patrol vehicle, they knew they were going to see their loved ones again instead of being eaten by vultures. I knew they were from Chiapas from their dialect, one guy was surprised to find out I had been to his village. I love Mexicans, I love them enough not to encourage them dying trying to cross the most dangerous border in the world, where they are ripped off, killed, sold into sex slavery…maybe you believe that superbowl commercial where the mother and daughter were picking flowers and having campfires as they enjoyed their illegal crossing, you know the lighter side of human trafficking. It is bullshit. You and all the bleeding hearts are encouraging them to feed a democrat machine of vote rigging while feeding the global corporations an exploitable workforce. You are sick. Why wouldn’t you want them to come over safely and be citizens that cannot be exploited? Why wouldn’t you want people from a failed state that is the second most dangerous country in the world get background checked to make sure we aren’t letting in really bad people like MS13? CA is moving to a high tech future owned by oligarchs that will automate everything and you are inviting uneducated, unskilled workforce for that high tech world to be exploited till they are obsolete where they would still have a future in a Mexico that will catch up at it’s own socio-economic pace. You all are nuts and you are screwing everything up for everyone without thinking. The blood at the border is on your hands.

        • What does any of that have to do with a sanctuary ordinance?

          The waiting list for anyone from Mexico is in the millions and would take years – up to 25 for anyone without a job or family connections – and the latter will probably be excluded from a faster procedure if Trump has his way.

          The way to reduce exploitation is to ensure that there are police they know they can contact without risking deportation.

          And please, if you’re as knowledgable as you say you are you know that the whole MS13 is a fear-based hype. Many citizens are in gangs.

          We have about 12 to 13 million undocumented here. Sanctuary is about recognizing that reality and dealing with it. It has nothing to do with “the blood at the border.”

          • Anyone not so willing to obfuscate every point would easily recognize the connection. You continuously point out how long it takes to arrange legal immigration status ( far from as long as you say for many people) as a good reason to violate the law. Many times repeatedly by crossing back and forth. If you think that is acceptable reason to ignore the law, then you are saying, if the US won’t have essentially open borders, then you will do your best to ensure that US laws are defeated. Even by lawyer standards, that is pretty low standard.

            How did you get to the point that it is better to hold an American worker at the mercy of anyone in the world who will under bid him than deny someone from another country enterence? Of course your next step is to ensure they also have full health care, job benefits, schooling, welfare subsidies, voting, etc. All while leaving a citizen with all the duties of citizenship and none of the benefits. Sad.

          • Why is the waiting so long? Get some laws made, increase the numbers of processors and their computers, … join the 21st century!

            Fear based hype? You say that like it’s the gospel truth, when the jailers & court records can very well disprove your statement. Are you saying that you have more inside intel than even the #HHS, #SS, #BorderPatrol, #Leo’s, and the Federal Administration has? I’m sure they’d love to compare notes with you or bring you in for further questioning. Just a bit of advice, first, calling them liars and fools isn’t a very polite way to start a conversation.

            As the paid “caravan” mosies along, even a blind person can spot where infiltrators can easily meld into the pot. Please tell us again how there are absolutely no isis, ms13, or other violent criminals in the pot.
            http://resistancesaga.com/

          • I’m not sure I care that there are millionos on a waiting list. What does that have to do with the issue of our county’s sanctuary status? Because there’s a waiting list, we should go easy on those who didn’t give a shit about the waiting list? I don’t get it.

        • Chuck, that was very touching, real, and well said!

      • the law is the law is the law. sorry you choose not to respect that. stop thinking you can give excuses to justify skirting the issue of ILLEGAL immigration mr. kirk. oh wait, you are a liarwyer.

      • Your family does not represent every family. Most knew no one when they arrived. They found menial jobs, saved their pennies and opened a business of their own. Each migrant who made it, offered a better life for the next migrant who tried. That’s how it worked. It wasn’t a chain mentality. It was a merit mentality. The merit system is what we are going to go back to doing, so that the next migrant can also stand a chance.
        The free enterprise is the American way.
        Monopolies are not.

      • Should there be any limit to the number of immigrants allowed per country per year? If so how should those limits be determined? Please keep in mind that the vast majority of Earth could be considered economic refugees.

    • yes, kick in the teeth to all who went thru the process legally, so disrespectful to everyone else as well. chuck u, please thank your in-law for his service, oorah!!!

  • Thank you Billy! You are the only one with actual facts, and the only one with balls enough to make a decision based on real facts. I know you owe a duty to the state (and their questinable law) under your contract, so I can admire when you stick your neck out to make the right decision. Very impressive, quite the integrity. The chips will fall where they may during voting time, but you have now earned my trust, and certainly true to the welfare of our community!

    • I will give him the fact that he is the one County leader who has the courage to come and debate. I think he learned a few things last night. I think he will continue to learn.

      He is mistaken though. There is nothing in Measure K which impedes his investigation and prosecution of drug dealers.

      • Yes, he is, and I’m proud of him for doing the right thing. There’s more to public safety/welfare of the community with this subject than impeding an investigation or presecuting drug dealers, and he obviously knows that based on the facts he is privy to. Stop butting in on my compliment! Again, thanks Billy!! Keep learning the facts!

      • Aren't you a lawyer?

        Yes, there is an impedement, and as a lawyer you’re not being entirely honest because you must know. It has to do with surveillance.

      • Nothing to do with impeding the investigation and prosecution of drug dealers? The video above in the article shares a different version. When the Sheriff reported the reports, imo, he was attacked by the narrator and yourself for sharing the facts from his data stats.

  • As always I would like to point out that Erik Kirk will say anything for money, so Erik Kirk have you ever been paid in the process of this proposition?

  • Banana Republic? Jim Crow? A narrator who tells the audience what to feel and think?
    I had to stop watching.
    When will there be a non-biased and fair forum without fear porn and aggressive narrators?

    The Sheriff might be happy to hear that he climbed to the top of the ladder of respect for using a calm and approachable demeanor despite the tone of the room. He’s a polite listener.

    • I don’t think this was a forum, looks like a one sided love fest

      • It was well publicized, but nobody who opposes Measure K bothered to show up.

        • Maybe at the Arcata Co-Op and HSU, I have seen nothing. You think that is a well represented panel? I am guessing from what I have learned that there was an honest cop invited to get his ass kicked around by a mob of idiots. The way I was raised, hating this country and it’s laws, made by it’s people, was, well criminal. And for good reason! Why would good people want anxiety and fear. Constantly, by their government or foreign operatives. If it is constant…

        • Well, ya, who want’s to waste a good sunset and full moon on a bunch of anti-american communist loons. Did you see that moonrise! That was insane!!!

        • Probably because; anyone who supports rule of law, and reasonably thinks that nations are not immoral for having and maintaining borders is labeled a racist and ostracized. If you happen to hold this position yet are not a conservative you’re a man without a country. You’ll be called a communist by those on the right and a racist buy those you share pretty much every other political opinion with.

      • That was my take on it too.

  • This pretty much tells it like it is.
    From a California school teacher……

    As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
    emigration, there are some things that you should be aware of: I am
    in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large
    Southern California high school which is designated a Title-1 school,
    Meaning that its students average in the lower socio-economic and
    Income levels.

    Most of the schools you are hearing about are South Gate High, Bell
    Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where their students are protesting –
    These are also Title-1 schools.

    Title-1 schools are on the free-breakfast and free-lunch program. When I say
    Free breakfast, I’m not talking about a glass of milk and a roll …
    But a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would
    Make the Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with
    Trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (Our tax
    Dollars at work!)

    I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
    Moderately overweight. About 75% or more have cell phones. The school
    Also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls
    (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the
    Inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family
    Watch their kids. (More of our tax dollars at work!)

    I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department, or risk losing funding
    The upcoming year even though there was little need for anything.
    My budget was already substantial, but I ended up buying new computers
    For the Computer Learning Center, half of which, one month later, were
    With graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel
    Humbled and grateful to have a free education in America. (More
    Of our tax dollars at work!)

    I have had to intervene several times for young substitute teachers
    Classes consist of many illegal alien students here in the
    Country less than 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female
    Teachers, calling them putas (whores) and throwing things, that the
    Teachers were in tears.

    Free medical care, free education, free food, free day care, etc., etc.,
    etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled not only to be in this
    Country, but also to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

    To those who want to point out how much these illegal aliens
    Contribute to our society, because they happen to like their gardener
    And/or housekeeper, and they like to pay less for tomatoes, I say:
    Spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the
    Costs.

    Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more
    Crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new
    Diseases, etc., etc., etc.
    .
    Americans, we need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster
    Because we won’t have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their
    Right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

    It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world
    Culture that does not value education, that accepts children
    Dropping out of school by age 15, and who refuses to
    Assimilate, plus an American culture that has become so weak and
    Worried about “political correctness,” that we don’t have the will to
    Do anything about it.

    If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone
    Know including your Congressman and Senators.

    Cheap labor? Isn’t that what the whole immigration issue is about?

    Business doesn’t want to pay a decent wage.

    Consumers don’t want expensive produce.

    Government will tell you ‘Americans don’t want the jobs.’

    But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase “cheap labor” is a myth, a
    Farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as “cheap labor.”

    Take, for example, an unlawful foreigner with a wife and five children. He takes
    A job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays
    No income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an income
    Return, he gets an “earned income credit” of up to $3,200,
    Free.

    Also….

    1 He qualifies for Section-8 housing and subsidized rent;

    2 He qualifies for food stamps;

    3 He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care;

    4 His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school;

    6 He requires bilingual teachers and books;

    7 He qualifies for relief from high energy bills;

    8 If they are, or become aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI;

    9 Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare (All of this at
    taxpayer’s {our} expense);

    10 He doesn’t worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowner’s insurance;

    11 Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material;

    12 He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits;

    13 Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his;

    14 The American taxpayers also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

    Cheap labor? Yeah right! Wake up people! These are the questions we should
    be addressing. And when they lie to us and don’t do as they say, we should replace them at once!

    We must take action or we will all go down the drain because a few don’t care.
    And if you think this is bad, just wait until a Democrat becomes President and the redistribution of wealth becomes the norm in this ex-Democracy.

    This will be passed on only by those Americans who truly care!

    • That’s some clear and present danger.

    • Your 14 ‘points’ will only be believed by people who WANT to believe this drivel. Yes we must preserve the American culture of white guys ripping off everyone else in the name of fairness and freedom. Just wait for a democrat to become president – derp there was a democrat in the white house for 8 years. The world did not end. Some poor people got healthcare. Trump, Obama, Bush are all the same. The only difference is the color of the morons who praise one over the other.

      • Obama circumvented Congress because they wouldn’t act as he wanted. Several times. Created law where he had no power to do so. That was a horrible, horrible precedent to leave as a legacy. DACA was just the biggest and most detailed. You might just be grateful that so far, this Has stood as deceit isolated to Obama’s Administration.

        Other Presidents have nibbled around the edges of acting like an autocrat but Obama was the first to blatantly do it on a big scale. Then, having done it, he kept having do more and more as each poorly thought out regulation created new problems.

        Oh and while some people got health insurance, a whole lot found that, not only could they not keep their providers, they couldn’t afford to use their health insurance which had high deductibles. Such “glitches” occur even when Congress bats around a bill for a year. It is inevitable with unilateral action by a President.

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