Mendocino County Board of Supervisors Approves Issuance of Fines for Refusing to Wear Facial Coverings

coronavirus covid-2019 Girl in mask fear

Stock image of a woman in a mask.

On July 8, 2020, during a special meeting of Mendocino County’s Board of Supervisors, the board voted unanimously for penalties to individuals who refuse to comply with facial coverings guidelines.

According to a draft of the proposed ordinance, the fines range from “one hundred dollars ($100.00) for the first violation; two hundred dollars ($200.00) for the second violation; and five hundred dollars (500.00) for third or subsequent violations if the subsequent violations occur within one year of the first violation.”

The ordinance says fines will apply to “any individual person to willfully or negligently refuse to wear a Facial Covering after an EnfofMask ordinancercement Officer has informed the person that a Facial Covering is required…unless the individual articulates a truthful, valid reason for not wearing a facial covering that is also one of the exceptions provided below.”

The ordinance will take effect immediately “as an urgency ordinance, and shall be applicable as of July 8, 2020, the date of approval of this ordinance.”

As to those that can enforce the masking requirements, the ordinance’s language allows for both law enforcement personnel and anyone designated by the Health Officer including county employees, contractors, or anyone designated by Mendocino County’s Chief Executive Officer.

Exemptions from wearing facial coverings range from children under the age of two years old, persons who are hearing impaired, incarcerated individuals, and makes room for medical exemptions as well. The ordinance does specify that anyone claiming medical exemption bears the burden of proof through appropriate evidence that their medical condition qualifies them for the exemption.

The ordinance defines when facial coverings are required: “All individual persons must wear a Facial Covering before they enter, and at all times while inside an indoor facility or any enclosed space, besides their residence, and outdoors when unable to maintain a six-foot distance from other persons outside of their own household or Non-distancing Stable Group.”

The draft ordinance makes room for those issued citations erroneously to appeal their fines. An individual who wants their citation reviewed would document their appeal in writing and then the County Health Officer or a designee would determine whether the fine was issued appropriately or not. The model allows for, “Any Responsible Party aggrieved by an administrative decision of a Hearing Officer or by the decision of the Hearing Officer may obtain further review by filing a petition for review with the Mendocino County Superior Court.”

Mendocino County’s 5th District Supervisor, Ted Williams, explained, “The state already made it law to follow the health orders including facial coverings. Under state law, it’s a misdemeanor. None of us seem willing to find individuals $10,000 or send them to jail. Today, we passed a separate offense that is only an infraction. Section 7 makes it clear that this new offense applies to persons, not a commercial activity. Commercial activity is still covered under the state misdemeanor.”

In a presentation to the board, Mendocino County Sheriff Matt Kendall compared the utilization of an infraction citation for eschewing facial coverings to those issued when seatbelt ordinances were first enacted. He said the “fines and fees are a little stiff but it gets the point across” and protects Mendocino County’s District Attorney’s office from increasing the county’s already-backlogged court system.

Sheriff Kendall also expressed concern that “I have concerns that a person who won’t sign a citation when that occurs, an arrest is a remedy.” He hoped to not see “use of force issues stemming from infractions, however, the violator will be the person that makes ultimately makes the decisions about their fate in these encounters.”

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onlooker
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onlooker
3 years ago

Exactly what Humboldt needs to do.

Hard truth.
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Hard truth.
3 years ago
Reply to  onlooker

Fear campaign at it’s finest. Wearing a generic non-medical grade covering to prevent a potential infection, is like trying to stop smoke with a chain link fence!! Remember you have the ability to make up your own mind. Quarantine is for people who are actually sick. When you aren’t sick and get quarantined, it’s tyranny period!

Marcia
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Marcia
3 years ago
Reply to  Hard truth.

Well, now you don’t have the right to make up your own mind. I believe that’s what this states. Being stubborn and not wearing a mask because you say “it infringes on your rights” is no longer an excuse. Wear the mask

G
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G
2 years ago
Reply to  Hard truth.

Exactly

Francis Scialabba
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Francis Scialabba
3 years ago
Reply to  onlooker

Black magic ritual at its finest, if you decide to wear a mask you are participating in a ritual. You are responsible for your own karma if you are tricked into participation in a ritual. The truth is available and has to be in order for a ritual to have implied consent, if you believe the trick (mask wearing) then you are responsible for the consequence (lower immunity, low oxygen, migraines, new norm, ect, etc…) and will be that much closer to agreeing to their vaccine. Take a deep breath and break the spell that is binding you from rational thinking ~ Peace to all

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago

Mask wearing is recommended by all the major health organizations, and reputable scientists and doctors. If you think you have some facts that prove they are wrong, you should offer them.

Connie Hickerson
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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

At my gym there is a sign that states “if you don’t like wearing a mask you really won’t like wearing a ventilator.” Just follow the law, wear your mask correctly, and show some common courtesy for your fellow human beings.

Really?!
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Really?!
3 years ago
Reply to  onlooker

How absolutely ludicrous! Inch-by-inch we’re losing our freedoms, that our forefathers fought so bravely to give us! It’s astounding how many people are so willing to just hand them over without any thought to the implications. Next, we’ll see a ‘legal’ enforcement of this vaccine the multi-billionaires are working on to bring to the masses, all in the name of profit.

Just Trying To Survive
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Just Trying To Survive
3 years ago
Reply to  Really?!

What about me? I think this is all crazy too, but I have to set my opinions aside because I have a son who has a highly compromised immune system, an 80 year old mother in law that is fighting her own battle right now and would never survive COVID. I still have to work to pay bills, I still have to go to the grocery store to feed my family or to keep up on the crazy amount of cleaning supplies ( most of the time not available) and I still have to go to two different pharmacies to pick up prescriptions, one of which is $2500.00 every two weeks. At this point it would be nice to see the public wear masks just out of respect! Not because of there opinion or rights, just because they care about others and the risk that is imposed by not wearing a simple mask. I dislike all of this too, but what other option do I have?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
3 years ago

Don’t you have to get closer than 6ft to hand out a fine or arrest someone?
Isn’t that a crime?

infractions of a city ordinance in court do not incur jail time.

I always wear a mask around people but I still resent the police over reach.
Too bad I thought Kendall was better than that..But then I don’t really know him. I hoped he would take a stand for the bill of rights.

I guess he’s for arresting citizens and releasing criminals…sad.

Lucy
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Lucy
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Enforcement is ultimately in the hands of the special investigations unit through HHSA, not the sheriff. 5th District Supervisor keeps directing everyone to the sheriff, but it’s clearly stated in the ordinance who will be enforcing this order. I’m sure the sheriff has bigger fish to fry!!

http://mendocino.legistar1.com/daystar.legistar6.sdk.ws/View.ashx?M=F&GovernmentGUID=MEND&LogicalFileName=b4ea16b1-0977-4118-9f2e-6d9587aec13a.pdf&From=Granicus

Tired of stupidity
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Tired of stupidity
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

[edit] I for one ALWAYS wear my mask anywhere outside my house! I live in Mendocino County(Piercy, up on a mountain close to the county line.) I for one am happy that ignorant people will be held accountable for being ignorant. If you are NOT wearing a mask & get sick I will not have any sympathy for you. [edit]

Doggo
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Doggo
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Which ammendment in the Bill of Rights are you referring to?
Do you object to the rule that you must wear a shirt & shoes to enter a place of business? Are you so selfish that you would endanger the health of your community just to assert some non-existant “right”?

What we need
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What we need
3 years ago
Reply to  Doggo

We all need to be safe And be responsible of ourselves

Dez
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Dez
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Just another way to make money!

Hard truth.
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Hard truth.
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Fear campaign at it’s finest. Wearing a generic non-medical grade covering to prevent a potential infection, is like trying to stop smoke with a chain link fence!! Remember you have the ability to make up your own mind. Quarantine is for people who are actually sick. When you aren’t sick and get quarantined, it’s tyranny period!

Third World cownty
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Third World cownty
3 years ago

Good!
Now it will protect us wearing masks from those not wearing masks who don’t care if they infect someone else. I have asthma and I wear a mask. No problem here!

tax payer
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tax payer
3 years ago

they now have cases of mask to mask transmission. lions tigers and bears

Bill Pilgrim
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Bill Pilgrim
3 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

Where’s the evidence? The only way you might get infected by a mask is if you handle one that has the virus on it then rub your nose or eyes.

Masks aren't foolproog
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Masks aren't foolproog
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill Pilgrim

The outbreak appears connected to a June 26 floor session of the California Assembly, when lawmakers interrupted their brief summer recess to vote on a $202 billion budget. A memo from the Assembly Rules Committee says a staff member who tested positive was at the Capitol that day but wore a face covering at all times while in the building.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago

Thank goodness something doesn’t need to be perfect to be a help.

Donna Casey
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Donna Casey
3 years ago

That person could’ve been contagious prior or had on their hands.

Doggo
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Doggo
3 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

You can make stuff up all you want. No one with a working brain believes you.

Fed up
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Fed up
3 years ago

Yep. Exactly what Humboldt needs to do !
Not wearing a mask increases the # of infected people .
Increased infections = less $ productivity !== longer depression !
Just in case taking care of your neighbors isn’t a good enough reason .

tax payer
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tax payer
3 years ago
Reply to  Fed up

or maybe the faster we will all get over this chinese flu. you do realize there is no cure, there is no vaccine, the only way to get back to normal is for everyone to get over their sickness

Elvis Costanza
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Elvis Costanza
3 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

I like how you combined a racial slur with your total lack of understanding of corona.

grandhaiku
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grandhaiku
3 years ago
Reply to  Elvis Costanza

I neglect to see any racial slur. IT WAS STARTED IN CHINA. Please enlighten me as to a racial slur here.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago

Just another way for government to get revenue when other sources of revenue is down. Next they will start fining people that test positive and a use tax on masks. Big government is good .

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Is there a tax I can pay to fix coronavirus? You know like how it works with climate change?

well . . .
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well . . .
3 years ago

Should be community service instead of a fine.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
3 years ago

I was banned from LOCO for posting this Native American PEACE symbol mask so let’s see what happens here. My statement is that I feel like I’m in Nazi Germany every time I have to wear a mask. BUT this symbol is NOT a swastika. Let the bashing begin!

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Can you name the tribe that was a symbol of?

Also, it is not a PEACE symbol.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
3 years ago

This symbol is universal. Hitler took it and reversed it. Here is a Fred Harvey pin made before WW11. It was made in Arizona. It clearly shows the reference to Native Americans and this symbol.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

One more back up.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Good job to LOCO.

Promoting swastikas is a choice, you don’t have leprosy, you have bad choices.

Another bad choice: leaving your comments up.

It’s obvious what you’re doing.

Veiled attempts to promote swastikas, white power, NAZIism, or anything if the ilk in a false comparison to mask wearing is idiocy, to be gentle.

Deleting swastikas, unless discussed in an accurate and historical reference, should be a given for any moderator.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Sometimes letting people work through their issues has good results even if other people make judgements about you for doing that. Sometimes, they don’t learn and then there has to be a crackdown. I prefer to have a light touch. As we already know, you prefer a more draconian approach.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yeah, I wouldn’t provide a platform to racist idiots who undermine health, history or democracy itself by promoting most likely foreign misinformation campaigns meant to destabilize our collective intelligence.

Sooooo draconian of me Kym.

Lol.

You’re just allowing this shit for no good reason, unless its capitalism, in which more comments translates to higher ad space revenue, and communal frustrations.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

He didn’t violate one of the rules, Brian. Live with it. Or whine. It’s up to you.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Also, accusing someone of having crappy morals is a really sucky thing to do when you should know better. Currently, the letter to the editor…its lambasting one of my longest and sweetest advertisers. No fear…no favor, Brian.

Maybe you ought to examine your hostility towards anyone who slightly disagrees with you.

In my opinion even if that was a Nazi symbol, which it isn’t, then there it is…Someone thinks wearing a mask is equivalent to being a jackbooted Nazi…They’re wrong, but they are entitled to that statement. And we’re entitled to judge them. But in any case, it isn’t an endorsement of being a Nazi or killing 6 million people. Try to have some perspective.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I did not say you have crappy morals.

I said the only good reason to let so much trolling stay is because of revenue interest.

If the comments posting swastikas are so valuable, why would they not be welcome in most website commenting forums?

https://apnews.com/04c73bb948ce4182845a6d27e0a9c3e1/Notorious-troll-calls-the-online-tactics-'a-national-sport

I called you naive.

But I think your moral compass is fine.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Classy response Kym.

If I had typed that, it would be edited.

And I also did not break a rule, yet I’m on moderation.

Let’s let the NAZI symbolism be someone “working their issues out”, while me, just call me a whiny little draconian bitch.

Got it..

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Brian…I have always thought of you as honest. C’mon….”You’re just allowing this shit for no good reason, unless its capitalism, in which more comments translates to higher ad space revenue, and communal frustrations.”

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Brian, tell me what would have been edited…

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I think money would be a better reason to leave trolling up than some idea that your helping people and protecting speech.

One of those reasons makes cents, pun intended.

You have edited out the word “whiny” of many of my comments, not all.

And it’s fine, it’s your place to call me what you will.

I think I’m making a point.

You think I’m whining.

It’s a difference of opinion, and I won’t whine about it.

I might try to make a point though.

I’ll do it without veiled NAZI swastika sympathy.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I said “Live with it. Or whine.” I didn’t say you were whiny. I said you could continue to complain (with the implication that the comment would stay up.)

Really, it is okay on this website to occasionally tell someone you don’t like how they are behaving–you and Guest do so with in what in my opinion are generous helpings. (Not liking how someone is behaving at a particular moment in time is not indicative of whether you like or agree with them generally.)

And yes, accusing me of being money hungry enough to allow what you consider absolutely unacceptable speech not because I believe it falls under free speech and we have a disagreement about that but rather because I’m hopeful for an extra few clicks made me angry.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym,

It’s obvious trolling.

It’s not a reasonable discussion.

I’m not calling the speech unacceptable.

Want to talk Nazi symbols, there’s a time for that.

Want to discuss masks, there’s a time for that.

Want to discuss Navajo artwork, theres a place for that.

But posting and conflating the three, (while the President hates masks and calls Democrats fascists and tweets white power) in a ridiculous multi-picture post is trolling, and with a alt-right twist.

I’m whining about the trolling.

I can only see one good reason to leave it up.

Sorry to have upset you.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

If you have that low of an opinion of me, I don’t know how you can trust what I write. I might be taking bribes to put up a certain point of view.

Apology for having upset me but not an apology for having thought that and still continue to think that…not accepted.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m not calling you shady, or untrustable.

I’m simply trying to understand why you leave obvious trolling up.

Sorry, I’m dense.

It’s weird that swastikas are so easy to find in your comment sections, while FOX, LOCO, and most other sites besides Stormfront have that moderation tactic figured out.

Kym Kemp
Admin
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

To the best of my knowledge there are no swastikas in my comment section. There is the reverse swastika here…

As to the explanation, its the main explanation for every disagreement we have so I wonder why you are having difficulty seeing why I made the choice I did–We have differing ideas of free speech.

Sometimes when we have that disagreement, you pull out some bullying tactic like accusing me of money-grubbing (for god’s sake, two or three comments result in less than a penny’s worth of advertising). You can still disagree with me that free speech covers this situation. That’s a fair and honest response. But you have ample evidence that I am not swayed by money away from what I believe to be right so why smear me with that charge when my little business depends on my reputation as trustworthy.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sure,

I guess this is what the Yurok call a traditional facemask:

https://kymkemp.com/2020/07/08/mendocino-county-board-of-supervisors-approves-issuance-of-fines-for-refusing-to-wear-facial-coverings/#comment-1125479

I’d love to see someone hand that to a Native and say, “Is this yours?”

It’s obviously nothing to do with pro-racist anti-mask Trump ferver.

How silly of me to think that.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Omg, yeah, this person is “working through their issues” .

What a crock of shit!

What they’re likely doing is winning the game at their white power website; who can post the most swastikas on a thread.

He probably has screen shots of himself creating the 3 or 4 names used here to promote the swastikas under false pretenses, any pretense will do.

And they appreciate your willingness to let it work itself out.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Yes, I know the “Whirling Log” is an Indian symbol in the SW,mostly Navajo as well as some of the smaller neighboring tribes.

It is NOT a “peace” symbol, though. That is what irritated me the most. Especially as you stressed that bit.

Dez
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Dez
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Just like satanist took the star of david n made it a pentagram

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

[Quote]
swastika (n.)
Greek cross with arms bent at right angles, 1871 (in English specifically as emblem of the Nazi party from 1932), from Sanskrit svastika-s, literally “being fortunate,” from svasti-s “well-being, luck,” from su- “well” (from PIE *(e)su- “good,” originally a suffixed form of root *es- “to be”) + as-, root of asti “(he) is,” which also is from PIE root *es- “to be.”

Also known as gammadion (Byzantine), cross cramponnee (heraldry), Thor’s hammer, and, perhaps, fylfot. Originally an ancient cosmic or religious symbol thought to bring good luck. Use in reference to the Nazi emblem first recorded in English in 1932. The German word was Hakenkreuz, literally “hook-cross.”

https://www.etymonline.com/word/swastika

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Thanks Ullr,

Henceforth I’ll refer to “Thor’s Hammer” as the proper name.

Swastika never did sound acceptable to me.

If North Europeans could envision the thundering sky as Thor’s Hammer, might other native societies have done the same, independently?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Sure. Not many things in nature have hard right angles but lightning is one of them. Can you imagine Thor’s hammer slamming down on a surface? The lightning exploding from the impact would look a lot like that symbol.

As an aside Neil Gaiman wrote an excellent reinterpretation of the Norse myths:

“Well?” said Loki. “What about you, Heimdall? Do you have any suggestions?”
“I do,” said Heimdall. “But you won’t like it.”
Thor banged his fist down upon the table. “It does not matter whether or not we like it,” he said. “We are gods! There is nothing that any of us gathered here would not do to get back Mjollnir, the hammer of the gods. Tell us your idea, and if it is a good idea, we will like it.”
“You won’t like it,” said Heimdall.
“We will like it!” said Thor.
“Well,” said Heimdall, “I think we should dress Thor as a bride. Have him put on the necklace of the Brisings. Have him wear a bridal crown. Stuff his dress so he looks like a woman. Veil his face. We’ll have him wear keys that jingle, as women do, drape him with jewels -”
“I don’t like it!” said Thor. “People will think… well, for a start they’ll think I dress up in women’s clothes. Absolutely out of the question. I don’t like it. I am definitely not going to be wearing a bridal veil. None of us like this idea, do we? Terrible, terrible idea. I’ve got a beard. I can’t shave off my beard.”
“Shut up, Thor,” said Loki son of Laufey. “It’s an excellent idea.”
― Neil Gaiman

grandhaiku
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grandhaiku
3 years ago

It was a Navajo symbol and while I do know some background of swastika, I do not advocate the use today. I am friends with not only Jewish people, but German, Polish, English, French, Russian people, many of whom lost family in German Camps or in the battle of war. America lost thousands of men and women to the NAZIS. The world has disenfranchised the swastika for good reason. I would think about the horror it brings to most of the world.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Seems like maybe you’re just trying to piss people off. If so, kinda sad.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

I just am tired of being treated like I have Leprosy.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Then don’t run around showing everyone your sores. Wait until it’s in an appropriate context.

Doggo
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Doggo
3 years ago
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Willie Bray
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3 years ago

🕯🌳Oh,Oh.🌬🚑🚑

Amber
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Amber
3 years ago

Its a joke…stores are not caring even if you have a doctor note they refuse service…cuss at you…piersons employees called me diseased and treated me like a leper….then supposedly are fining the stores for customers who dont wear masks….what a way to descriminate between who matters and who doesnt. Black lives matter but no one else does apparently. Smh.

Another fishwife
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Another fishwife
3 years ago
Reply to  Critter

In 1824, the Supreme Court observed in Gibbons v. Ogden that sovereign state authority includes the authority to enact “quarantine laws” and “health laws of every description.” Think of it like this: Just as the president and the federal government act at the peak of their powers when national security is threatened, America’s governors are often at the peak of their power when public health is at stake.

Thus, as AEI’s Jay Cost noted in an excellent Twitter thread on police power vs. enumerated power, a governor backed by a state legislature has “the sovereign power to make you go home if you are a menace to ‘public health.’” President Trump, he notes, does not have that power. Thus, governors have broad latitude to order curfews, close businesses, and limit public gatherings.

jillion
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jillion
3 years ago
Reply to  Amber

You can still wear a face shield (if you can’t wear a mask for medical reasons).

tax payer
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tax payer
3 years ago

nazi rule enacted. now we just need the gestapo.

tax payer
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tax payer
3 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

all you need to do is draw a star on it and pin it to your shirt

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

Actually the ADA does not guarantee you access to a store if you refuse to wear a mask. The meme you presented has been widely refuted on solid legal grounds.

Elvis Costanza
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Elvis Costanza
3 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

Being made to wear a simple mask for a few minutes is hardly Auschwitz. If you’re going to draw such ridiculous comparisons, just stay off the internet.

tax payer
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tax payer
3 years ago

mendo should have their own slogan like this

Marigolds
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Marigolds
3 years ago

I have Native American baskets, hats and rug from northern Humboldt co. That have that symbol on them. Never new what their meaning was, but sure not Nazi symbol, go back well before the war.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
3 years ago
Reply to  Marigolds

Thank You Marigolds!

This mask was made by A Yurok Elder just for me.

Just so u know
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Just so u know
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

I lived in India for 7 years and other parts of Southeast Assia where this symbol is used wideley and the symbol
on the rugs (not sure about the mask it is different) this symbol looks like a natzi symbol if it is on a diagnol but when like this (just don’t put it on a diagnol it goes against everything the Budah and other Indian regions stand for. it is used for good fortune yes it looks like a swatstika but it is different “The word itself is said to be derived from the Sanskrit root, swasti, which is composed of su, meaning ‘good’ or ‘well’, and asti, meaning ‘it is’. It generally translates to ‘it is good.’ The word swasti appears frequently in the Vedas and can mean good, auspicious, luck, success and prosperity. In parts of Asia where Buddhism is a major religion, the swastika is again a symbol of auspiciousness and is considered to be Buddha’s footprints.” And thank you to Kym for doing a great job and allowing us to have freedom of speech and talk about the tough issues

https://theculturetrip.com/asia/articles/swastika-symbol-india-represent/

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Just so u know

What are the tough issues?

There’s no misconception that symbols are used for various reasons throughout history.

Contemporarily, we have a President that calls Mexicans “rapists”, tweets “white power”, bans muslim travellers etc, with a strong rise of American Nazis and fault-right groups that hear Trumps dog-whistles.

This being a SARS-COV2 article, I don’t understand how the idea of exploring swastika alternatives has become important, or a “tough issue”.

Especially since the face-mask that started the discussion stated this:

My statement is that I feel like I’m in Nazi Germany every time I have to wear a mask.

Obviously, many subjects are being conflated here, and I think it’s obvious what the point is.

(Hint: not native history lessons)

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You again just make stuff up. You think there are no rapists in Mexico? No drugs crossing the border? Or that what Trump really said was that Mexican rapists and murders are crossing the border illegally as “The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.”

On the other hand there is Joe Biden’s speech which he now finds incovenient in light of his new found conversion to offering another amnesty for illegal immigrants “Joe Biden touts his support for a 700-mile southern barrier, warns of “tons” of drugs pouring in from “corrupt Mexico” and calls for a crackdown on American employers who hire “illegals.”
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-illegal-immigration-mexico-fence_n_5cd70515e4b0796a95dcddd4

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Trump tweeted a video of a supporter yelling, “white power”.

‘Nuff said, hombre.

Now you want to bring Joe into the Nazi/mask/native conversation?

Yeezus. Ridiculous beyond the pale.

It doesn’t bother me that Trump or Biden is interested in building walls, it’s the rhetoric used to sell the idea that’s problematic.

For another example:

I have no problem with the Quran or Islam, but Louis Farrakhan is a racist shithead.

That’s how most have come to know Trump as now, a racist shithead.

Swine
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Swine
3 years ago

A year or more? Guess this is the new norm.. Fucking idiots. Face masks do nothing.

Another fishwife
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Another fishwife
3 years ago
Reply to  Swine

No shoes, no shirt, no service. A common sign at stores. Seatbelts and helmets required,and cell phone use prohibited while driving. All rules we live with for safety reasons.
Grow up all you whiners. This has nothing to do with politics or freedom except maybe the freedom to spread a dangerous virus to others. No it’s not like the flu or the common cold. It HASN’T been established that once you get it you are immune. In fact, it is documented in a few cases that people who had covid once did get it again.
Let’s figure out IF herd immunity works BEFORE we go willy nilly into complete reopening with NO restrictions. It’s selfish to say if you don’t want to catch it stay home.

Friend O’ Green
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Friend O’ Green
3 years ago

Yurok rug from a friends house..

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
3 years ago

What a beautiful rug!
And it shows both directions.
Thank You for posting this!

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Most likely not.

The Navajo tribe did use this symbol, I don’t know about the Yuroks.

What is most likely is that you are posting under multiple names trying to support your POV and wanting to disrupt the reason why masks are being required.

Maybe you also enjoy seeing as many swastikas posted as possible. Yeah, for sure you do.

You probably took some obscure as fuck photo from the net under a search like “native american swastika rugs” and posted it as yours.

Nice photo find from 1989, btw.

Phil
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Phil
3 years ago

Lawsuit.

BuckUp
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BuckUp
3 years ago

I hate to tell some of you winers, you’re not in Nazi Germany for having to wear a mask. I suppose you see yourselves as some sort of war Vets. Maybe you’ll get a shrine that says “ they sacrificed so much by wearing masks” Ya, it’s just like watching your families starve, be raped and gassed in front of you. Pretty much the same. Ok. Time to buck up bc if you think wearing a mask is just too much sacrifice you’re not ready for the war.
I say put the people that get sited for not wearing a mask multiple times on a the bottom of a list (much like an alcoholic waiting for a liver transplant) and if and when they need a hospital bed they’re not taking up room.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
3 years ago

//The ordinance does specify that anyone claiming medical exemption bears the burden of proof through appropriate evidence that their medical condition qualifies them for the exemption.//

I suppose that if I put on my mask and faint from the lack of oxygen, that could be diagnosed by the mask police as evidence, mask is bad, living is better.

Sorry to offend anyone, I’m planning to survive, whatever it takes.

Diane
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Diane
3 years ago

Control = Power. Most effective way to control is fear

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

But trolling was a left wing national sport before the right learned how to do it too. Just like Trump was elected because the left called every not-left-enough person a nazi and the public ceased to be able to discriminate be tween civil and uncivil behavior The racists have really learned at the knee of the left wing how to just repeat unjustified insults until people no longer notice how irrational they are. Live by the insult, die by the insult. There is only one cure- stop with the trolling.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Can you cite a renowned left-wing radical who says what you just said?

Because I provided a link, and thus far, you have not.

Captain Crunch
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Captain Crunch
3 years ago

I see Mendocino has some grown-ups on their BOS.

Someone tell me please.
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Someone tell me please.
3 years ago

What is that black flag flying on the same pole under the US flag and above the California flag at the Mendocino county courthouse in Ukiah?

mj
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mj
3 years ago

The irony in all of this Brian is without your comments that some might consider “Whinny” this likely would have been just just another post and the focus of discussion could remain on the true issue at hand, instead you have turned this into a discussion on symbols and there possible meaning….

Discrimination concerned
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Discrimination concerned
3 years ago

Has anybody heard of the HIPAA Act. I thought medical history was only between you and your doctor. Also I believe the proof of burden is on the accuser normally. I’m not a lawyer just wonder about the discrimination of people with actual medical issue.

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