Odd,Old News: Dinner Was Served and Astor Won his Wager

[Fieldbrook Giant, undated, A.W. Ericson. Photo fron the HSU Library, Special Collections, Humboldt Room]

Nuggets of old news is served up once a week by David Heller, one of our local historians.

The stories of the death of the Fieldbrook Giant and its heart-warming return to life as cloned baby trees due to the efforts of Steven D’Agati were previously covered on the Redheaded Blackbelt, but questions remained for which we now have some answers. And more questions.

To review…. aristocrat William W. Astor allegedly made a wager over the potential seating capacity of a California redwood slab table that led to his ordering a cross-section of the old-growth redwood Fieldbrook Giant to be shipped from Eureka to England. Exactly what happened to the Fieldbrook Giant slab once it arrived at Astor’s Cliveden country estate seemed to be a mystery, though an inquiry in 1944 found that it was seated atop a steep bank overlooking the Thames. The official claim was that the table was purchased as a curiosity, and not as a potential table. News accounts of the details of the bet varied widely, the outcome was unknown, and stories may have been suppressed as at least one article was retracted under legal threat.

However the long arm of aristocratic influence on the press didn’t reach across the pond, and in October of 1898 a San Francisco Bulletin article announced that Astor had indeed just recently served food for 26 guests (plus Astor) around the redwood slab table, thus winning $25,000. The amazing saga of the Fieldbrook Giant(s of all sizes) continues to grow.

ASTORS TREE TABLE

THE SECTION OF MAD RIVER REDWOOD WINS HIM THE WAGER

Daily Humboldt Standard, October 19, 1898

The San Francisco Bulletin of October 16 publishes the sequel to the story of the William Waldorf Astor’s odd wager to the winning of which Humboldt county has contributed. The sequel comes in the shape of a dispatch from London, England, under the date of Oct. 15th, which appears with the following display heading: “Nobility at Astor’s Redwood.—Millionaire Dines Members of the British Aristocracy—He Thereby Won A Wager of $25,000 From General Williams—The Table Was a Cross Section of a California Giant Redwood– Astor Had It Brought Around the Horn at Great Expense—So Large That It Could Not Be Taken Into the House and Had to Be Set Up In the Woods”.

Following is the text of the dispatch to the Bulletin relating to the successful ending of Astor’s Wager:

  “London, Oct. 15.—William Waldorf Astor won his wager of $25,000 last night by giving the long-expected dinner to Twenty seven persons seated around a table made from a single cross section of a great California redwood tree. Nearly two years ago Astor Had a discussion with General Owen Williams about the size Of California trees, the Englishman not believing that they grew to such enormous size as Astor asserted. The result was a wager by the American millionaire that he would give a dinner to twenty-seven persons who could dine comfortably around a trunk from California.

  “At great expense, Astor had a section of a giant tree sent to him from California. It measured 81 feet in circumference. When the tree arrived in England it was taken to Cliveden, the beautiful country place that Astor has upon the Thames near Henly. There it was partially buried in a part of the park known as the “Half-Moon”. What the object was in burying it is not known, but it was left for months partially underground. Four weeks ago a section of the tree was turned over to a firm at Aylesbury, who smoothed off the surface and polished it highly.

  “As it was impossible to get the table into the house, a large tent was erected over it in a little glad in the Half-Moon wood. The ground was strewn with fresh ferns to make a natural carpet, and there was spread on the polished surface, but it was prettily decorated with wild flowers by young Miss Astor, while beautiful candelabra cast a soft light over the silver plate and china. Chinese lanterns hung from the great doorway of Cliveden to the marquee and the glad was gaily illuminated.

  “Most of the guests had been at Cliveden for a week, while the others came from Taplow Court, where Lady Louise Grenfel is having a house party.

   “Tea was served in the great hall at Cliveden during the afternoon, and soon after 6 o’clock the march to the strange dining table in the glade began. As the guests entered the marquee there were many exclamations of wonder and delight.

   Mr. Astor presided with his twenty-six guests seated in a circle around the tree. They were a bit crowded and facetious guests remarked that Astor invited the thinnest people he knew.

  The guests were: General Owen Williams of Tranby Croft notoriety, who made the bet; Lady Louise Grenfel, Captain Grenfel, Marquis of Hamilton, Duchess of Abercorn, Lord George Hamiliton, Hon. W.F. smith, Mrs. Smith, Lady Randolph Churchill, Drummond McGregor, F. Wykeman Martin, Mrs. Wykeman Martin, Miss Martin, A.H. Grenfel, Miss Williams, Mrs. Reuben Sasson, Sir Watkin Wynn, Hon W. Lyttleton, Colonel St. George, Earl of Desart, Vicar of Taplow, Lord Athlumney, Captain Lambton, Lord Castletown, Hamilton Stubber, and Miss Chisolm. The menu was hand-painted, representing a redwood tree with a course on the trunk. Dinner was served from a small kitchen erected in the wood nearby. Mr. Astor had the Duchess of Abercorn on his right and Mrs. Smith on his left. The Dukes of Cambridge and Teack were to have attended but were detained at the last moment. General Williams paid the bet. After dinner the guests went back to the great Cliveden House for the evening, as the weather was somewhat chilly”. 

    The section of redwood tree referred to was obtained by Mr. Astor’s agent in New York, through an order placed with a lumber firm in San Francisco, which in turn place the order with John Vance Mill& Lumber company of Eureka, in whose woods on Lindsay creek, the tree was cut which furnished a clear section 15 feet 6 inches in diameter & three feet thick. Special appliances had to be provided for getting the huge piece of timber out of the woods & down to the water where it was loaded on the steam “National City” which took it to San Francisco, arriving there in May 1897. From the steamer it was transferred directly to the hold of the German ship “Maria Hackfield” then loading in the stream at San Francisco with redwood lumber for London & on that vessel it left Sand Francisco for its voyage around Cape Horn, May 18, & arrived in London October 16, 1897. The story of this unique specimen of our great redwood forests, the odd use to which it was to be put and the celebrity of its owner attracted considerable attention from the press on both sides of the Atlantic and through the pictures, real and fanciful, it has become familiar through the civilized world.

 

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Dennis lewis
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Dennis lewis
4 years ago

Great story thanks kym

Monica Topping
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Monica Topping
4 years ago

I love these updates on the fate of that slab of the Fieldbrook Giant, but I feel like the author is remiss in failing to mention that another slab of that same tree, cut 70 feet up and measuring around 10 (I think) feet in diameter, is on display in the Redwoods Shrine at Blue Ox. It’s quite a thing of beauty.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Monica Topping

My son had some of his senior pictures taken with the slab.

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago
Reply to  Monica Topping

“scuse me Monica, I over assumed that people would be familiar with the previous discussions in the links shown and the fun thread of comments that added so much to the posts. I was purposely trying not to repeat too much of what has been said, but adding mention of the Blue Ox slab and Stump House would have been good.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

This story has been a reporter favorite for over 100 years. Astor denied the “bet” story. https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18990115.2.198.19&e=——-en–20–1–txt-txIN——–1

I have read stories about how dinner was served on it or conversely it was never used at all and remains on display. https://britishtrees.blogspot.com/2010/01/1-cliveden-redwood.html As this blogger said “The true reason followed Astor to his grave. Maybe he just wanted a piece of his native country to remind him of home. Although the likeliest explanation is also the simplest: he did it because he could.
Posted by Mark at 3:46 AM “

Yeah sure
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Yeah sure
4 years ago

That photo just makes me sad…

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah sure

The photo isn’t what makes me sad. It’s how happy they all were to destroy the forests….

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

We still are. Forests are not suitable habitat for massive amounts of humans they are not good for driving, running water and sewer lines or growing food. They burn easily and -gasp- fall on you in windstorm. Also, when cut, they provide material for housing and heat , which humans seem to unaccountably demand.

Imagine you live in a world at a time where taking the woods gives food, income, housing and warmth while, because you live under them without aerial views, they also seem endless. You would not magically understand they have other properties you want like providing fresh air and water. Of course you now have been told about this because your ancestors learned.

There! Understanding of why humans worked like dogs in the past to make room for you has been provided so you can drive your car to the supermarket and buy cheap food for yourself and children. Or, if you don’t have children to feed, go to bars, concerts or stores to spend that money not needed to take care of them. Of course, if you individually owned many acres of forest that you protect all by yourself, you might be able, by working really, really hard every day, harvest enough for subsistance.

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

My ancestors were some of the people who were responsible for cutting many of old growth redwood trees. Family stories handed down through the years told tales of great timber men who helped build America.

Railroad ties, pier pilings, lumber for great houses and hotels. All one has to do is look at some of the solid redwood buildings around the Humboldt bay to grasp some of the great pride our ancestors took in their work. The Carson Mansion would be a quintessential example of their skill.

‘Parasites’ wrote: “These pictures make me physically sick. Humans are so destructive and such a parasite to the earth. Disgusting creatures”.

I’m am sure that was not the response to the legacy they left behind them was the response that they were looking for.

Who knows what motivated them to do some of the things that they did back then. However, I am not filled with disgust, but pride, that they could exist in what must have been very trying times for them.

Henry David Thoreau wrote:
“The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation, and go to the grave with the song still in them.”

Who knows what song was in their hearts that they were trying to get out. All that I know, is that those of us who’s world they built for us are in NO position to judge.

I think that ‘Guest’ might have a small clue. Some of the rest… not so much.

It would behove the critics of my ancestors to find out who your ancestors were, and what they did to survive, or get the songs out of their hearts.

Prof
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Prof
4 years ago

Any relation to John (Johnny ) and Gene Branscomb from Fox Farm Road in Trinidad?

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago
Reply to  Prof

I believe than I am, but I can tell you how.

gunther
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gunther
4 years ago

I’m proud of your family too Ernie. I’ve only lived here since 1950 and I worked in the woods in the 60’s. I knew Johnny Branscomb who was about to retire at that time. He lived in Westhaven at that time. He was a good man.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago

Great story but I’m having math problems. The story states the tree slab was 81′ in circumference. C=2•pi•r

So that would be 25.8′ in diameter. Later in the story it states the round was 15.5′ in diameter which would be 45.5′ in circumference.

The latter seems more accurate as, I think, 27 people could easily sit around an 81′ circumference.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

2*pi*r only works for circles… the measured circumference likely included the concave and convex sections of the roots / buttresses / whatever, increasing the length over that of a circle.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I understand that it isn’t a perfect circle but it still approximates one. 81′ vs 45′ is a huge discrepancy.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I’m pretty sure the stump still exists… We could all go measure it!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Let’s! Where is it?

Joe
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Joe
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Private property.

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I thought that that 81ft diameter would get a comment. The newspaper accounts seem to often be wide-of-the-truth. There are a few cdnc articles like Guest posted above that add to the story… Steve Parr, who like others, has studied the matter for far more years than I, raised an interesting point in one of his comments about how there may have been a second tree fallen after the Fieldbrook Giant shattered so far up from its base. That Stump House was been cut from the Giant, as well as the Blue Ox slab, is indisputable, as was covered in the comment section of previous posts. However, one of the Astor articles wrote: “To obtain this specimen necessitated the cutting down of a tree 250 feet tall and 17 feet in diameter, the difference between it and the finished piece representing the thickness of the bark on the tree”SFCall-11/2/97. Was Steve right? Did Astor even get a slab of the giant?
The denial of the bet was made soon after the story of the dinner party came out: “William Waldorf Astor writes to the Times denying the story that he recently won a bet by giving a dinner to twenty seven guests seated around a table cut from a section of a redwood tree.
He says that the section of tree placed in the grounds of Cliveden was put there as an object of curiosity and was never intended to be used as a dining table. No bet was ever made as to the seating capacity of the section. The whole tale was a deliberate fabrication. He has entered proceedings against the paper which published the story. The account of the alleged dinner appeared in the Daily Mail.—London Cable to the New York Sun”.LAHerald-11/23/98.

There a number of Astor stories that are less than flattering, that $25,000 bet would equate to maybe $700,000ish today. Locals were upset when he bought Cliveden as he constructed walls around the place and commoners who had had access to its spring were shut out. Apparently he threw his money around, establishing a college in Khartoum with a $25,000 donation, and he built the largest fountain for the estate with a price tag of a quarter of a million dollars.
Someone should compile all the accounts and write a booklet!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  David Heller

In “Guest’s” link https://britishtrees.blogspot.com/2010/01/1-cliveden-redwood.html it states the diameter was 16.5’… so, it seems the 81′ circumference was an exaggeration. Although within known limits.

According to this site http://www.mdvaden.com/redwood_widest_trunk.shtml the largest known DBH for a coastal redwood is 29.2’…or 91.7′ in circumference.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The standard for measuring tree trunks probably only became standardized in the 1970s or so when a registry of biggest trees was established. And even then exaggeration is a well established western tradition. And a journalist’s too. So differences will exist.

Milton J Phegley
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Milton J Phegley
4 years ago

Lady Randolph Churchill, mother of Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

Klamath Giant
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4 years ago

Vaden tends toward self promotion

Mort
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Mort
4 years ago

Yea Steve!!!!!!

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago

One more newspaper sketch of the slab in transit..

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago

And another…

Traq
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Traq
4 years ago
Reply to  David Heller

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55981380@N03/6073253617/in/photostream

Photo of the slab. Can also scroll to the left for a historic pic of its transport.

Parasites
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Parasites
4 years ago

These pictures make me physically sick. Humans are so destructive and such a parasite to the earth. Disgusting creatures

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
4 years ago

David
The comment in the article that states:
“What the object was in burying it is not known, but it was left for months partially underground.”

Because the lower sections of redwood trees is very rot resistant, it was quite common for the old woodworkers to bury large pieces of redwood in redwood sawdust then dirt to “season” the wood and dry it slowly, so it wouldn’t split, crack, or check. You will never see that process nowadays because there are no more large pieces of redwood available. That is not to say that there are no more large redwoods because we all know that there are many large redwoods, but they are mostly all in parks. The redwood in parks were mostly made available by timber companies and Save the Redwoods League.

Jenny
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Jenny
4 years ago

This is interesting information; thanks for sharing. I’ve never read anything about how the trees were cured to prevent cracking but did wonder how it was prevented.

Disgusted Waste
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Disgusted Waste
4 years ago

The photos of fools on these stumps from the turn of the century always irks me in much the same way as a man taking a picture with a dead lion in africa does.. it is nothing more than a disgusting trophy photo…. look what we killed… Why on Earth did these early loggers not realize the rairity ans uniqueness not to mention the extreme age of a tree this size, it was alive when Jesus walked the earth. I guess the earth is just a resource foe human exploitation in the christian worldly view, a resource “god put here for our use” blah blah blah, its disgusting

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago

Dance on the Sequoia Stump, 1875 painting by Granger—-
“In 1853, workmen felled the Mammoth Tree in the North Calaveras Grove of giant sequoias in California’s Gold Country. The stump measured 24 feet wide at its base, and a ring count showed it was 1,244 years old.

James M. Hutchings writes in Scenes of Wonder and Curiosity in California (1862):

“Upon this stump, however incredible it may seem, on the 4th of July, thirty-two persons were engaged in dancing four sets of cotillions at one time, without suffering any inconvenience whatever; and besides these, there were musicians and lookers-on.”

David Heller
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David Heller
4 years ago
Reply to  David Heller

My 1970’s era landline connection isn’t revealing whether I successfully attached an enlarged version of the photo of the painting, or not… Here is the link:comment image