Man Arrested After Firing Shotgun in Downtown Weaverville

This is a press release from the Trinity County Sheriff’s Office. The information has not been proven in a court of law and any individuals described should be presumed innocent until proven guilty:

Trinity County Sheriffs Office TCSO

On January 12, 2020 at approximately 4:00 am, the Trinity County Sheriff Dispatch Center received a report of potential gunfire in the downtown area of Weaverville, CA. California Highway Patrol Officers as well as Sheriff’s Deputies, responded to the downtown area in an effort to locate any potential disturbance.

While searching the area, Officers and Deputies observed a subject later identified as Julian Ascher, who had been standing near the intersection of Court Street and State Route 299. Ascher had been holding a shotgun and was pointing it at another male.

Officers and Deputies gave Ascher commands to drop the gun, at which time he complied. All subjects present were detained while the investigation commenced.

During the investigation, Ascher admitted to having discharged the shotgun in the air once. He further indicated that he did not know the subject in which he had been pointing the firearm at, but he stated that the subject had been acting suspiciously.

The subject Ascher had pointed the firearm at had been walking home from a party. It was concluded that neither party acted in an unlawful fashion, and the subject was released and is the victim in this incident.

Ascher had been visiting the Weaverville area and had been staying at a local area Motel. Ascher was arrested for the below referenced offenses, and the investigation remains ongoing.

Charges:
417(A)(2) PC: Brandishing a Firearm
246.3(A) PC: Discharging a Firearm in a Grossly Negligent Manner
415 PC: Disturbing the Peace
236 PC: False Imprisonment
422(A) PC: Criminal Threats
245(A)(2) PC: Assault with a Deadly Weapon

Persons Arrested:
Ascher, Julian: 04/04/1977, (from Little River, CA)

Agencies involved:
Trinity County Sheriff’s Office
California Highway Patrol

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117 comments

  • Oh dear, clumsy him!!! ;-\

  • “It was concluded that neither party acted in an unlawful fashion…” I’m confused by this statement. Ascher was charged with a handful of offenses and, from the press release, there were only 2 parties involved.

  • Fine examples from the well- trained militia!

    Seriously, I keep my eyes peeled on weaverville riff-raff whenever I’m out of my vehicle. In town 4 days ago one of them had what I thought to be a concealed long barrel as he drunkenly crossed the street and wandered through the gas pumps, one of which I was using. Expecting public shootings is becoming normal, unfortunately.

    • Share the last criminal discharge of a firearm in weaverville, please?

      Public shootings are not normal(unless you live in Baltimore) ; you’re feeding from the propaganda trough.

      • There was a reported shooting in a campground near Douglas City early 2019, and shots exchanged at Tops/Holiday parking lot around 1.5 years back.

        • “Expecting public shootings is becoming normal…” for a county full of firearms, shootings seem exceedingly rare.

          • While statistically rare for any small isolated area, the numbers seem to point to the fact that shootings are becoming more common, and more deadly:

            Our research spans more than 50 years, yet 20% of the 164 cases in our database occurred in the last five years. More than half of the shootings have occurred since 2000 and 33% since 2010. The deadliest years yet were 2017 and 2018, and this year is shaping up to rival them, with at least 60 killed in mass shootings, 38 of them in the last five weeks.

            The death count per shooting is also rising dramatically. Sixteen of the 20 most deadly mass shootings in modern history occurred in the last 20 years, eight of them in the last five years, including the 2017 Las Vegas shooting that claimed an unprecedented 58 lives.

            https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-01/mass-shooting-data-odessa-midland-increase

            If you measure from the 90’s than they are simply becoming more deadly;

            https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/mass-shootings-more-deadly-frequent-research-215678

            Many more examples from Trinity are simply unarchived or unreported. This archive below stopped collecting in 2017.

            http://weavervilleonline.net/Sheriff_News.html

            • Violent crime (including homicide by firearm) has been in a steady decline for 30 years in the US.

              Confusion about that fact is common:
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/14/most-americans-incorrectly-think-gun-homicides-have-gotten-worse-not-better/

              https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america

              “Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

              •Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.
              •The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.
              •A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.
              •Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.
              •Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.
              •There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.
              •Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.
              •Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.”

              • Government Cheese

                Ty rover

              • How did you jump to that?

                The correlation of decreasing homicide rates with the increase of gun laws should not be lost on you while you leap, though.

                States are making more laws for guns, not less.

                Around the world view:

                https://www.arcgis.com/apps/Cascade/index.html?appid=4a1b03cf5575487190772768259d653d

                Similar to increasing laws increasing the safety of driving in America, the same goes for guns in my mind and according to research.

                Regarding statistics and danger:

                California only has two or three earthquakes over 5.5 magnitude each year.

                Perhaps we should not be prepared for big ones though?

                South Carolina only gets 11 tornadoes each year. Maybe they should stop building shelters?

                And perhaps you feel good with your back turned to riff raffers in any place. That’s not my concern.

                • yeah that gun ban in Chicago and Baltimore sure is working, lol

                • How did I jump to what?

                  Comparing natural disasters to human behavior seems like a non sequitur.

                  • The reference to natural disasters was in response to your rare statistical adherence.

                    We build buildings to withstand large earthquakes even though they are “rare” in California.

                    We also will never see a death rate like that of Haiti or China or elsewhere because we adapted to the rare but very potential reality – and created new standards of building.

                  • Less jumping here.

                    The recent church shooting in Texas kind of shoots down your perceptions.

                    First, why did the church have security?

                    Wilson said the church decided to create an armed volunteer security team about 1 1/2 years ago when the congregation moved into its new sanctuary, where Sunday’s shooting occurred. The church leaders felt they needed extra protection after five homicides occurred within two miles of the church in 2018 and two homicides happened close to the church earlier this year.

                    How is it possible?

                    Prompted by the November 2017 mass shooting that left 26 people dead at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, Gov. Greg Abbott signed a law in Septemberallowing legal gun owners to carry concealed weapons to churches and other places of worship that welcome the added security.

                    Apparently they don’t think public shootings are too rare!

                    What’s more?

                    He was well trained and the only militia he was ever a part of was reached through 911.

                    Not only is Wilson a former law enforcement officer, he also provides firearms training to members of the church who volunteer to help with security of the sanctuary, he said. He also has his own gun range.

                    https://abcnews.go.com/US/parishioner-gunned-texas-church-shooter-hero/story?id=67982047

                    See how gun control saved lives!

                    • I don’t follow your logic. A well armed private citizen stopped a shooter within seconds minimizing fatalities. The alternative would have been waiting for an armed police response that would have been much longer.

                      If the parishioners were unarmed due to more restrictive gun laws there probably would have been more fatalities.

                    • Yes, pinpoint accuracy saved the lives of uncounted innocents. That’s acceptable gun control.

                    • See, to me gun control means enacting gun laws, which is what States are doing on their own.

                      Gun laws may sometimes allow for “more” ownership, with regulations included.

                      Texas made a law in response to public shootings, which you say are too rare to be of concern.

                      In the end a well trained gun user was at the right place at the right time, and backed by law.

                      That’s good.

                      Similarly in Japan, Australia, Germany or Britain gun control laws allow you to own a gun – but are far less likely to be killed by one.

                      Of course with less laws and more guns, it would be illogical to conclude there would be less gun deaths.

                      America has too many guns available on the streets, so we will see problems for a while regardless of any regulations.

                    • There are permissive gun laws and restrictive gun laws. History has shown, like in the case you illustrated, permissive gun laws save lives. Restrictive gun laws, not so much.

                      In Britain you are much more likely to be stabbed than in the USA, and your home is much more likely to be broken into while you’re in it.

                      “…which you say are too rare to be of concern.” I said nothing of the sort. I said, “…for a county full of firearms, shootings seem exceedingly rare.” I take responsibility for my own safety. I am always wary of potential threats to me and my family when I am in public.

                    • Permissive laws to a point can have positive results.

                      But they also allowed for the Americas gun pile-up.

                      All guns start out as legal guns..

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/

                      This is what will be dealing with for decades. There are simply too many guns available on the streets.

                    • And apparently the US has more stabbings.

                      And more shootings.

                      And even if we had less stabbings, we would still be killing more people, by far, with just the gun stat.

                      https://www.euronews.com/amp/2018/05/05/trump-s-knife-crime-claim-how-do-the-us-and-uk-compare-

                    • https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/18/deadly-knife-crime-how-does-london-compare-to-new-york

                      “What is the most recent US-UK picture?
                      There were 17,284 homicides in the US in 2017, giving a rate of 5.3 per 100,000. In Britain, there were 785 in financial year 2017/18 — the nearest equivalent time period — giving a rate of 1.8 per 100,000, some three times lower.

                      Within this, there were 285 knife murders in England and Wales in 2017/18 — the highest number since the Second World War — and 34 in Scotland, giving a combined British rate of 0.48 per 100,000. In the US, the number for 2017 was 1,591, giving an almost identical rate of 0.49. So even amid a spike in British knife crime, Americans as a whole are at least as likely as to die from a stabbing.

                      What is the most recent New York-London picture?
                      More recent police data is available for both cities, including a direct comparison for the calendar year 2018. The official estimated population of New York was 8,398,748 at July 1, 2018, and 9,006,352 for London.

                      The NYPD murder total for the year was 295 — less than half the figure for 2001 and a fraction of 2,200 victims counted in 1990 — giving a rate of 3.5 per 100,000. In London, there were 136, giving a rate of 1.5, so New York remains twice as deadly despite a successful decades-long crime crackdown.

                      Within this, there were 76 homicides attributed to cutting or stabbing in New York — the exact same number as in London, according to data from Murdermap. But New York’s rate is slightly higher, at 0.9 compared to 0.8 in London. It means the Big Apple is still deadlier for knife attacks, but the pattern of recent years suggests that could be reversed very soon.”

                      And, with a few municipalities and gang related homicides removed from the stats, the homicide rate in the US is comparable to the U.K.

                  • Concealed carry weapons may be part of the solution? I think you are a more critical thinker that that- to buy the NRA’s most flagrant bullshit line to try to sell more guns. Give me a break.

                    • You apparently ignored the link. I’ll give you their assertion for the bullet point so you can counter with your own facts. Hyperlinks are in the article, so to explore further, go to the link.

                      “Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

                      Noted criminologist John Lott found that, as a group, concealed carry permit holders are some of the most law-abiding people in the United States. The rate at which they commit crimes generally and firearm crimes specifically is between one-sixth and one-tenth of that recorded for police officers, who are themselves committing crimes at a fraction of the rate of the general population.

                      Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates dropped 16 percent and violent crime rates dropped 18 percent, even though the percentage of adults with concealed carry permits rose by 190 percent.

                      Regression estimates show a significant association between increased permit ownership and a drop in murder and violent crime rates. Each percentage point increase in rates of permit-holding is associated with a roughly 2.5 percent drop in the murder rate.

                      Concealed carry permit holders are often “the good guy with a gun,” even though they rarely receive the attention of the national media. Concealed carry permit holders were credited with saving multiple lives in:
                      Rockledge, Florida (2017);
                      Antioch, Tennessee (2017);
                      Arlington, Texas (2017);
                      Lyman, South Carolina (2016);
                      Winton, Ohio (2015);
                      Conyers, Georgia (2015);
                      New Holland, South Carolina (2015);
                      Chicago, Illinois (2015);
                      Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (2015);
                      Darby, Pennsylvania (2015);
                      Chicago, Illinois (2014);
                      Portland, Oregon (2014); and
                      Spartanburg, South Carolina (2012).”

                      https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america

                      And the most recent North Texas church shooting linked by TRB.

                      https://www.wsj.com/articles/gun-rights-advocates-see-lessons-in-texas-church-shooting-11577806103

                      And combined with the CDC estimate that defensive use of a firearm occurs up to 2 million times per year. Read Erik’s link to Reason for an update to that initial paper and adjusted numbers.

                      https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-defensive-handgun-uses-annually/

              • “”Facts”” from the heritage foundation. This ought to be good.

                “•Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.” Okay, fair enough, that’s a fact. It’s also a fact that the SEVERITY of mass shootings has increased since the 1994 ban was allowed to sunset. As society gradually becomes less violent, the tools available to the extremely violent have become more advanced.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

                “•The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.”
                Don’t forget accidents, and “”accidents!”” Guns are a far greater danger to their owners and their families than “bad guys.”

                “•A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.”
                As long as you’re not a woman, child, black or live in a bad neighborhood, you got nothing to worry about! Thanks Heritage Institute!
                “•Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.”
                Violent weirdos are more likely to kill people with guns. Thanks Heritage Institute!
                “•Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.”
                They just make the individual incidents of violent crime MUCH worse.
                “•There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.”
                If assault-style simi-autos with 30-round mags don’t effect the overall violent crime rate, but they make individual incidents MUCH worse, what is the justification for having them again?

                “•Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.” There were more than 417 mass shootings in America last year. How frequently does a homeowner need a 30-round magazine to frighten a coyote or burglar? Any stats on that?

                “•Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.”
                They *may* be, but they’re not.
                https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/

                • You replied with a lot of opinion.

                  There is zero evidence that the sunset of assault weapon ban had any effect on homicides, especially since “assault ” weapons are not used with any frequency in murders.

                  “Lee, LK; Fleegler, EW; Farrell, C; Avakame, E; Srinivasan, S; Hemenway, D; Monuteaux, MC (January 1, 2017). “Firearm Laws and Firearm Homicides: A Systematic Review”. JAMA Internal Medicine. 177 (1): 106–119. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2016.7051. PMID 27842178. Limited data from 4 studies on the effects of the federal assault weapons ban (in effect from 1994 to 2004) do not provide evidence that the ban was associated with a significant decrease in firearm homicides.”

                  “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.” -CDC
                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/#1aa34195299a

                  Black males aged 15-35 are overwhelmingly both the victim and perpetrators of homicides in the US.
                  https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/22/the-need-to-discuss-black-on-black-crime/

                  • “Black males aged 15-35 are overwhelmingly both the victim and perpetrators of homicides in the US.”

                    And the obvious solution is ?

                    Facial recognition.

                    Black on black homicide in America defies the academic recognition of the source.

                  • https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe
                    I guess we should just blame it all on tHe bLaCks. Europe doesn’t have any blacks, does it? Oh wait…
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_diaspora
                    Well, I guess its just because European culture is so peaceful? Oh wait…
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war

                    • I don’t expect you to read it, but here is a point-by-point breakdown of the Vox article without data bias.
                      https://crimeresearch.org/2019/01/responding-voxs-popular-americas-unique-gun-violence-problem-explained-17-maps-charts/

                      And you seem to confuse statistical facts with blame. The violence in these few urban areas are serious and need to be addressed, but the various approaches by democrats in these areas for the last 40 years have shown to be a dismal failure. And yes, these particular areas have been in control by democrats for generations.

                    • Crimeresearch.org is a far-right propaganda organisation founded by an NRA shill. It falls back on the arguments about the regionality and race, which totally ignore the fact that European countries have liberal politicians and black people. His argument ” The US rank based on firearm homicides looks higher than it actually is because the high homicide countries don’t report their firearm homicide rates” doesn’t make a damn bit of sense in this context. The US tracks firearm homicides, as do almost all first-world countries.

                    • Your quote is out of context. Here’s the full quote:

                      “There are many countries that have higher gun homicide rates than the United States, but simply don’t report firearm homicide data. Many of these meet the criteria to be members of the OECD (Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development). While 192 countries report total homicides, only 116 countries report firearm homicides. The average homicide rate among countries that don’t have firearm homicide data is 11.1 per 100,000. The US rank based on firearm homicides looks higher than it actually is because the high homicide countries don’t report their firearm homicide rates.”

                      Is that as far as you made it?

                    • That doesn’t make any sense. How does the fact that some (third world) countries don’t track firearm homicides make the US’s overall homicide rate look higher? Those two things have no relation to each other, and there are plenty of countries that DO track their firearm homicides. This is pure NRA Chewbacca Defense.

                    • Look at the stats. The whole source of information is provided in the paper.

                      The assertion to this one point is that there are some countries that have a high gun homicide rate but those rates aren’t seperated from the other types of homicide so they don’t get reported as gun related homicides. Regardless, you’re getting stuck in the weeds. The information is transparent in the article.

                    • The accounting of firearm related homicides isn’t the issue here. The US has a much higher *overall homicide *rate because guns are a more effective way to kill people than forks and spoons.

                    • Ummm, no. I provided stats. The USA is not an outlier in homicide rates. If you have some facts to counter those stats that’d be great but denying a fact doesn’t change it.

                    • “US homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than in other high-income countries, driven by a gun homicide rate that was 25.2 times higher.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26551975

                      And I’m not anti gun. We own guns. I’m pro fact though.

                    • Without a doubt the US has a higher rate of homicide when compared against many other affluent countries, but when put in context against all countries (see the chart above) the magnitude of the problem is less than often portrayed in popular media. Also, the geography and demography of the USA is unlike any of the countries used for comparison. The issue of violence in the USA needs to be addressed, but the knee-jerk reaction for “doing something” by adding to the 20,000 nationwide gun laws is adding nothing to the solution.

                    • 20,000 laws is debunked NRA propaganda. The number is closer to 300.

                      And the states with more laws are safer.

                      The National Rifle Association and other pro-gun groups have often cited the 20,000 gun laws that already exist on the books as reasons why more enforcement, not more legislation, is the answer to curb gun violence.

                      However, the Center on Urban and Metropolitan Policy at the Brookings Institution debunked that statistic in 2002, calling it problematic.

                      The NRA is not alone in using the number. Brookings traced its origin back to Michigan Democratic Rep. John Dingell’s 1965 testimony on firearms and President Ronald Reagan cited the statistic again in 1981.

                      Brookings estimates there are not thousands, but closer to 300 federal and state gun laws. Brookings clarifies that it did not include local laws in its survey because roughly 40 states prohibit most local gun laws.

                      “Rather than trying to base arguments for more or fewer laws on counting up the current total, we would do better to study the impact of the laws we do have,” the study says.

                      https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/01/four-gun-claims-that-are-just-plain-wrong

                    • “Rather than trying to base arguments for more or fewer laws on counting up the current total, we would do better to study the impact of the laws we do have,” the study says.

                      My point entirely.

                      More laws on gun control does not make Americans safer. Fewer creeps with bad attitudes will solve the problem. End of study.

                      In a society, like our own, where we politically promote an ever increasing population of immigrants and their spawn, homicides of homelanders are increasing.

                      Who are doing the killing ?

                      People who are already hardened to death by murder. Any race, any place, can be an immigrant, but today the facts say immigrants into America are the worst of anytime in history.

                      America is so free and outward that newcomers can’t control themselves. Their value of human life is low because back home they saw the reality.

                      No, the times of disarming the American people are past. To survive now, one must be able to defend itself.

                    • Rod,

                      Less laws equal less safety:

                      https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/

          • I’ve put this link up a number of times about where death by violence occurs. Some places that make gun ownership illegal can have high death by violence rates while some places of high gun ownership do not.

            https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/

            For international homicide rates-

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

            For US States-

            https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

            What is clear is that homicides are concentrated in certain places regardless of gun ownership. Why?

            • Japan, which allows for strictly regulated gun ownership had a death toll of 6 in 2014.

              Australia after major gun regulations in ’96 saw a 70% drop in gun deaths

              Honduras, is overrun by gun deaths and gun trafficking with 0 enforcement of any law.

              We are much closer to Honduras numbers and mentality it would seem.

              https://www.arcgis.com/apps/Cascade/index.html?appid=4a1b03cf5575487190772768259d653d

              • We are not Japan. Not in culture, not in history.

                Outside of firearms, Australia has a higher violent crime rate across the board and those crimes have increased since the firearm buyback program.

                In the USA outside of a small demographic in a few municipalities the homicide rate is less than that of Canada.

              • Statistics from Japanese officials should be looked at with great skepticism. It’s a culture that doesn’t like the social fabric disturbed by admitting officially there are problems. The Japanese police are quite capable of turning a blind eye to a crime if they think it seems not easily resolved and the police may look bad or if they think it reflects poorly on their ability to control crime. They are quite capable of refusing to see a death as a murder – “Ueno says his experience leaves him convinced that many homicides are being missed and he, too, blames a system that gives police great discretion over when an autopsy is performed. ” It is possible that a family may be embarassed that a relative may have been murdered, surprizing as that might seem to an American. They cooperate with the police to have it declared natural causes instead.

                https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-nov-09-fg-autopsy9-story.html

                Japan is like no where else in the world. And it’s “statistics” are not taken at face value. In fact, although Japan is extremely conscious of appearances, it is nature of foreign statistics that care is needed to know that the same things are being compared.

            • Government Cheese

              Because people will always kill people regardless of firearms. Usually these places have high crime rate already due to poverty and drug use.

            • Because wealth inequality is the very worst problem America has right now, eclipsing all other problems.

              • Government Cheese

                Don’t worry jack. Socialism will fix all that. We will all be equal. Unfortunately, equal to the lowest denominator. Fuk the American Dream! Equality for all!

    • Unfortunately for that theory, the guy brandishing and firing the shotgun was not a Weaver Villian. Rather, he was a Little River riffraff who was apparently keeping Weaverville safe with a shotgun he was traveling around with.

    • Yeah Well, If I felt so concerned or threatened when in town with little law enforcement, I would definitely be thinking about getting a CCW. Bottom line. Your security can’t be 100% relied upon by law enforcement. Takes some accountability for own your safety.

      It’s discouraging to think about the Liberal end of things today. Get rid of the 1st amendment.. Get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Get rid of the First Amendment so when they take your guns, you can’t say or do anything about it.. So logical… No. we need more rights not less.

      Many countries with strict gun control have an outrageous amount of violence. Just look at Mexico, where the Mofia is better funded, has more weapons, and is heavier armed than the government. Lot of good gun control has done there..

      • I support CCW. But you can keep your schizophrenia street-punk militia-members

        One reason I support CCW is they being are closer to “well trained” than a general gun purchaser.

        The permits are regulated and issued by the Sheriff.

        No one is talking about repealing any amendments fyi, and if the 2nd was repealed we would have decades before real results due to the amount of once-legal but-now are-black-market-guns on the steeets.

        https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2019/08/16/why-repeal-2nd-amendment-would-not-be-enough-stop-gun-violence

        • OH NO, not black market guns too. Suppose that’s due to too many guns or too many laws?

          Excessive amounts of laws always creates the successful financial dealings inside the black market. Open your minds folks.

          If everybody had their own gun … the laws would adapt.

          • More than 30 percent of the guns that ended up at crime scenes had been stolen, according to Fabio’s research. But more than 40 percent of those stolen guns weren’t reported by the owners as stolen until after police contacted them when the gun was used in a crime.
            …..

            A number of factors could lead to legal firearms entering the black market. Owners could misplace them, or they could be stolen — either through carelessness on the owner’s part (leaving a gun in an unlocked car, for instance) or determination on the part of thieves.

            It’s also likely that many guns on the black market got there via straw purchases — where a person purchases a gun from a dealer without disclosing that they’re buying it for someone else. This is illegal under federal law. 

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/

            If your saying too many laws are the problem –

            I guess we could stop considering robbery a crime.

            That way once legal guns wont become black market guns?

            • Government Cheese

              “Now there trying to take my guns away, and that will be just fine, if you take em away from the criminals first, I’ll gladly give you mine.”

              ( Charlie Daniels )

        • Technically all gun control is a infringement on 2a. It’s death by a thousand cuts made up by idiots who know nothing of the issue or have ulterior motives. What I don’t understand is to the best of my knowledge I’ve never tried to take a right from another human being, our (edit) government does daily, hell in some cases hourly. But yet the left gets down on its knees for the government. I think that taking a person rights away, whether it’s homosexuals getting married or 2a should be punishable as treason. You citing gun control nonsense reminds me of religious cracks spewing fire and brimstone about sally wanting to marry Janet. It’s polar opposite but the core principle is the same. And before you cite public safety (the religious people do to they claim AIDS) I’m more worried about getting struck by lightning while riding a great white shark while having sleep apnea than being killed In a random mass shooting.

          • Government Cheese

            Fighting for freedom and democracy

          • Mike, technically you are wrong.

            “The right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited” as is stated in the Supreme Courts Heller ruling.

            And States have the 10th to secure their own laws.

            But if you think common sense laws are infringing on your right to everything, join my National Road Association petition to repeal socialist DUI laws too. Be consistent.

            • That is exactly my point you (edit) modern judges appointed by modern politicians think liberal? The hell you say. George Washington would of wanted a tank in every driveway, not for deer hunting but for your government. My uncle was for “common sense” marriage laws, like if you let homosexuals get married then people would be running around marrying toasters. I thought he was a idiot, but your logic is pretty similar just the polar opposite. And all you’re doing is highlighting the fact that you’re biased as hell, just like your “Nazis weren’t socialists” just cause you’re offended doesn’t make you right

              • A fine example of Projecting.

                And Washington did not belong to a party, staying fiercely neutral, which is where I see myself.

                • You can see yourself however you want, I’m just saying that anyone who attempts to take rights away from another American citizen no matter their cause should be tried as committing a act of treason. That’d be you. In summary, stay strapped or get clapped

                  • Hey our live in an anti govt fantasy land. And most people will never agree with you, Period.

                    • And that is the great wonder and benefit of having rights as opposed to privilege- you don’t need the agreement of others when it’s a right.

              • http://www.shall-not-be-infringed.org/

                (Thanks Erik)

                “Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command: for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”

                Noah Webster to Benjamin Franklin, Oct. 10, 1787

        • And…you can keep your delusional fallacies… TRB. There are many different types of people who own and carry guns than the stereo typical militia member identity you want to betray all gun owners as. I support some level of sensible regulation.. but I am definitely being PC suggesting a CCW… Which isn’t such a bad thing.. But Who decides who gets the guns? Thinking that Gun laws will stop people from dropping each other is fallacious thinking ..it’s not gonna stop just because one or two people put down their guns. When you tune in to what’s really going on when you take a look at the real situation Gun control is just People control.. Who makes the standards that’s the question…

          Like this doc says.. ‘Put the Neighbor back in the neighborhood”
          Teach and encourage better conflict resolution skills..
          ‘What are you gonna do you gonna protect yourself illegally, or are you gonna die’ ‘I don’t want to see a good person not be able to defend themselves’

          And FYI, over defining and regulating rights into a pulp is essentially the same effect as revoking them..

          Rhetoric. All Talk. No Action. short.
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwP5WYd_so

          Rhetoric All Talk. No Action. The real deal.. Bypartisan.. Not a bunch of statistics and numbers, but an intercity perspective..
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUVURdzRUCo

          • You probably don’t care.

            But do you know who made that film?

            Edgar Antillon.

            He is a Republican who wants a gun in everyone’s hands, and thinks any legislation against guns is tyranny.

            That’s bullshit stupid to me.

            Not to mention, his notoriety comes from trying to hold a “white appreciation day” event.

            https://www.westword.com/news/rubbin-buttz-bbqs-white-appreciation-day-event-becomes-more-colorful-6701837

            But you can donate. He is trying to raise $10,000 for filming, with a whopping $200 raised so far. Join his club!

            Featured heavily in the film is Maj Toure. Read about him here:

            https://www.inquirer.com/politics/clout/libertarian-party-maj-toure-keynote-speaker-invitation-revoked-20191115.html

            What a group!

          • Thanks for those. I only watched the trailer and 15 minutes of the full length film. It’s good to hear the perspective from the ‘hood and that are people trying to create a community. Certainly years of governance have failed to help these communities at all. Grassroots community organization seems to be the only way to get a handle on the violence.

            • Thanks?

              https://wokeamerica.com/politics/maj-toure-threatens-tariq-nasheed-praises-white-supremacy

              Why?

              [Self edit]

              Read the article. Watch the video.

              What percentage of idiocy does it take for a black man to holler “white supremacy”?

              • That’s called an ad hominem. You take one guy interviewed in an hour long film where many people were interviewed (a half dozen in the 15 minutes I watched) and cast aspersions across the whole film.

                Be specific in your argument against specific points of fact. Continually attacking someone’s character comes across as petty.

              • From your article with questionable journalistic value:

                “Maj Toure can be seen throwing up gang signs while one of his friends appears to praise White Supremacy – saying “white supremacy n*gga.””

                And Toure’s explanation :

                “Y’all MAD we made fun of this clown calling EVERYONE “white supremacists” (including Black people) cuz you don’t understand SARCASM. You same dudes AINT NEVER FRONT LINE. Come see me in person or STFU and hop off my dick. Talking to ALL OF YALL.”

                • You same dudes AINT NEVER FRONT LINE. Come see me in person or STFU and hop off my dick…

                  He sounds like a swell guy!
                  (Now that’s sarcasm)

                  Half of one percent of the votes in his failed city council bid are not even worth talking about after seeing his “sarcasm”.

                  It’s not just that incident, look around if you care.

                  Then there’s the filmmaker. I pointed that out.

                  I’m not going to take all day to investigate how shitty the people are involved in the film. It won’t matter. Some people just like shit and think its gold.

                  The small percentage of valuable information in the film can be found by much more reputable people.

                  I doubt anyone else will lift a finger to investigate their information sources, so carry on with these do gooders.

                  • “The small percentage of valuable information in the film can be found by much more reputable people.” Please share.

                    As far as I can tell you are impugning an entire film because of one quote from one guy from a source who, unironically, calls themselves “woke america”. And because the producer, who is of Mexican descent, declared a “white appreciation” day to illustrate the double standard in modern identity politics.

                    Do you have anything of substance?

                    • First.

                      Edgar Antillon was born in Colorado.

                      https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/biography/125508/edgar-antillon

                      For him to imply he is Mexican is flat wrong.

                      I was born in Chile, with half my family still there, and I sign “caucasion” on forms.

                      For him to say he is Mexican is like me saying I’m Mapuche.

                      The dude is a white Trump voting Republican.

                      But I bet he signed onto “Latinos” for Trump!

                      Second.

                      Holding a “white appreciation” day with discounts is easily interpreted as inflammatory. I consider it retarded.

                      Minorities don’t receive discounts during their respective months of calendar honors.

                      Also, they have months of calendar honors in respect of and in honor of the atrocities of our past.

                      Third.

                      The positions held by Antillon are fundamentalist in nature.

                      His agenda is quite clear through some simple reading, and I expect a message in the film, not objective information.

                      Fourth.

                      Taj. Anyone who thinks what he did in that video is acceptable is not up to my moral bar.

                      He is making not so sarcastic threats to a prominent film maker, and his “sarcasm” with white pride symbols and “white supremacy” shout outside is disgusting.

                      Especially in this day and age.

                      Combining these 2 individuals is not my cup of tea, especially if I want to learn something.

                    • YW Ullr.. Instead of discrediting the Information in the Video, TRB once again attempts to “Poision The Well” on the people who made the Documentary. I think it’s a good film because it’s also independant of the NRA…

                      Tariq criticized the NRA for failing to defend Philando Castile..
                      https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/30/politics/nra-philando-castile/index.html

                      The film also told the story of Shaneen Allen was carrying with a CCW…when she was pulled over on a New Jersey highway could have sent her to prison for years if not for a pardon from Republican Gov. Chris Christie.
                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/07/22/shaneen-allen-race-and-gun-control/

                      And also Tom Mauser, who lost his son Daniel in the Columbine High School shooting..
                      https://www.theforgivenessproject.com/tom-mauser

                      It also interviews many Grass Roots activists who help to curb the violence in the hood. It may not be YOUR cup of Tea TRB.. but that doesn’t mean the information is entirely discredited because they are of a different political perspective…

    • Seems like firearms are getting cheaper………. back in the day, the drunken vigilante group that detained my friends and I for an hour on an a Humboldt county street, only brandished chains, tire irons, and pry bars.

  • 🕯🌳Over 3,300 gun deaths last year. Most were handguns. Suicides top the list along with armed robberies. Then come the heat of the moment ones. Research. 🇺🇸👁🖖

  • As a native of Bodymore, Murderland, I can assure you all that public shootings are practically de rigeur there.

  • So a guy from out of town brings his shotgun and decides he doesn’t like the look of the probably local guy?

  • Why no mention of the “mass”shooting that takes place every weekend in Chicago ?The city with the strictest gun control in the nation. 171 got whacked by gun last year but it falls far behind the 331 that was unknown cause ( that’s a lot of homicides that they can’t figure out how they got whacked). Anybody think that they should just make a law against killing people and be done with it!

    • Chicago is considered the most gang-infested city in the United States, with a population of over 100,000 active members from nearly 60 factions.[78][79] Gang warfare and retaliation is common in Chicago. Gangs were responsible for 61% of the homicides in Chicago in 2011.[22]

      Former Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy blames Chicago’s gang culture for its high rates of homicide and other violent crime, stating “It’s very frustrating to know that it’s like 7% of the population causes 80% of the violent crime…

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

      It also doesn’t help that Chicago is also considered America’s “corruption capital” with more federal corruption cases than any other city.

      Perhaps we should legalize murder & give everyone a gun and their own Super PAC – and then be done with it!

    • More on Chicago:

      Chicago police are wrestling with gun violence, blamed largely on gangs. President Donald Trump has frequently singled out the city for criticism , calling the crime problem “a total disaster” and claiming Chicago has the strongest guns laws in the nation and still hasn’t been able to curb violence. But there are common misunderstandings about Chicago’s homicide rate and how the city regulates firearms. Here are some of the myths and truths: 

      …..

      IS CHICAGO THE NATION’S MURDER CAPITAL?

      No. This is a common misperception based partly on the national attention Chicago has attracted in recent years. The Pew Research Center reported in November that when adjusting for population, Chicago has recorded fewer murders per capita than many other smaller U.S. cities.

      …..

      WHAT ARE THE SOURCES OF ILLEGAL CHICAGO GUNS?

      According to the Trace Report, about 40 percent of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago from 2013 to 2016 came from dealers in Illinois. The remaining 60 percent came from states with less regulation over firearms. Indiana accounted for about 1 in 5 of these weapons, followed by Mississippi and Wisconsin. The report says these trends have been consistent over the past decade. In the same time span, seven gun or sporting goods stores in Illinois were the top 10 source dealers of recovered weapons in Chicago. Three others were in Indiana.

      …..

      DOES CHICAGO HAVE THE TOUGHEST GUN LAWS IN THE NATION?

      No. Trump and his administration have wrongly made this assertion . Chicago passed a ban on handgun ownership in 1982. Those who’d already purchased and registered their handguns were allowed to keep them. In 2010, the ban was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, and in 2013, Illinois became the last state in the nation to approve concealed carry.

      Illinois is considered to have fairly tight gun laws. The state requires gun owners to obtain licenses and face background checks. It also imposes waiting periods on purchases. But unlike New York and California, Illinois, among other things, does not ban assault weapons or large-capacity magazines and does not require a state license for firearms dealers or one to sell ammunition, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. 

      https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/the-myths-and-truths-about-chicagos-guns-and-murder-rate/167390/?akmobile=y&akdevice=androidphone&sslEnabled=true&amp

      • Those articles chose their dates carefully. What Chicago had was the largest INCREASE in per capita murders in 2016. It skyrocketed that year. About 72%. Which is when that Trump remark was made as part of his election campaign in the same year. As has become an aphorism, “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” in which agenda ridden press and politicians cherry pick and choose data to suit. In general https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/stat3.html

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/01/murders-shootings-soar-chicago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/

        • The article was written in 2018, and has information from the 1980’s to 2017.

          Perhaps it also a hit piece on Reagan?

          Or perhaps it’s not as agenda-ridden as your thinking it is.

          Both the title and purpose of the article have nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with Chicago.

          • Which why it is very odd that its data is limited to prior 2016. The acceration of murder tapered off the following years and would have seemed to be something that supported their thinking but saying that would have meant also admitting that Trump had a point at the time. Strange disturbed brains that would rather ignore an outbreak of murder in order to snipe at Trump for pointing it out. Why would you repeat something you now claim was not the point?

            Beside Chicago has a long history of routine government corruption. Simply the way it is and a desire to prove Trump wrong at every point doesn’t change it.
            https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/01/03/alderman-burke-chicago-city-hall-corruption/

            • I already mentioned above that Chicago is the “corruption capital” of the US.

              You may have missed it, as you seem to be busy finding a way to point out a liberal-press-against-Trump-agenda when there is none.

              • Unfortunately, a “liberal-press-against-Trump-agenda” is hard to avoid. If it doesn’t exist, is not it strange how often his name is brought into the rantings of angry commenters on every subject? Why it occupies so much of their thinking that they use it as a one word, juvenile insult to dismiss opposition.

                • Oh, you want a bullhorn for the President?

                  Do you miss 2003?

                  Still looking for those WMDs?

                  • “An Abusive Ad Hominem occurs when an attack on the character or other irrelevant personal qualities of the opposition—such as appearance—is offered as evidence against their position. Such attacks are often effective distractions (“red herrings”), because the opponents feel it necessary to defend themselves, thus being distracted from the topic of the debate.” http://www.sciencechatforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=264118

                    Pay special attention to the red herring part of ad hominem attacks.
                    Which is something that signals the end of any discussion of an actual issue. I’m not going to run at your unevidenced red herrings of WMD, 2003 or bullhorn irrelevancies.

                • Of course anti-trump sentiment exists.

                  Imagine that.

                  And so does anti-Obama and anti-Clinton and anti-newsom anti AOC, anti-Warren….etc

  • Hell this was commonplace in 1851.

    • So was polio.

    • We can’t bust heads like we used to. But we have our ways. One trick is to tell stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m’shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ’em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you’d say. Now where was I… oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn’t get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…

  • Burnt Roach (new handle)

    Is the person arrested in this case the person aka Julio? Julio moved up around Dows Prairie, which is near Little River I believe. Julio is a known thief, with his own crew. Best in the business at what he does. Not really violent, but if he decides he wants to rob your house, you might as well just tell him you’re leaving for a few days and to lock up when he’s done. He’s that good. Weaverville was his old stomping ground. When I met him I almost fell out of my chair when I realised who he was. I fired the guy who brought him to my place.

    The idea of gun control goes on and on. I have two teenage neighbours’, both female, who are both competent and responsible when handling several different types of firearms, as well as other weapons. They were taught well by their father, and their example should be followed by others. Education is the solution, not regulation. Liberals and conservatives both know this. It’s how our world is reducing population growth, among other things. Education. Look it up.

    Hope I placed the ‘ in the right place on neighbours. My light bulb has been dimming a bit lately and I’m not sure about it.

  • Gazzzzaw——-snarkZZZZZZ—-slobber–ZZZZZZZZZZ

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