Late Last Week, Around 470 Humboldt Landowners Got ‘We See You’re Growing’ Letters

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Photograph, taken in 2019, of a garden that has received a warning letter for 30 plants [Submitted]

Last week, Humboldt County’s Commercial Cannabis Cultivation unit at Code Enforcement sent out about 470 warning letters to residents it suspects of unpermitted cultivation activity. Consultants who help farmers through the permit process received multiple calls from panicky growers. The county has “carpet bombed our community again,” one consultant said in exasperation.

For his part, Humboldt County’s Planning Director, John Ford, who oversees this program, describes the letters as a response to two community meetings in Southern Humboldt in which people asked for the courtesy of a warning letter before they received an abatement notice potentially costing them tens of thousands of dollars a day in fines. Ford says these are those courtesy warning letters.

To some though, the letters signal the end to a way of life, not only for them but for their communities. As one farmer who received a warning letter for his 30 plants of cultivation explained, his family may have to leave the area.  His kids go to a very small school with eight students. “When they leave, that school may close and the remaining kids may get bussed out each day,” he told us.

Courtesy Notice, Politely Written

The letters note that the County has observed activity they believe is cannabis cultivation. Ford says the letters are a request for a response. He said, “If it isn’t [marijuana cultivation,] contact us and tell us that. If it is, the County expects it to stop or [for the farmer to] get a permit and become legal.”

The letters in part read,

“You are receiving this letter as a courtesy to inform you of what appears to have been an unpermitted commercial cannabis cultivation operation on your parcel. A county land use permit and a state license are both required to legally cultivate cannabis in Humboldt County, and our records indicate that neither exist for this property.

While the overall cultivation area appears to be relatively small, it still requires an appropriate permit.

At this time you are not receiving a Notice to Abate Nuisance or a Notice of Violation. ….

but your attention and action are required.

You are encourage to take one of the following corrective actions.

1. Cease the cultivation operation and remove any unpermitted structures related to the cannabis cultivation. For any unpermitted grading, apply for and obtain an after-the-fact grading permit to restore natural or preexisting grades.

2. Should your goal be to commercially cultivate cannabis, cease all cultivation, apply for and receive the required permits and licenses to cultivate cannabis before you commence any future cultivation.

For cultivation that existed prior to December 31 2015, there is still an opportunity before the end of the calendar year to apply for a “pre-existing” cultivation permit.

It is a violation of County Code to cultivate cannabis without a permit. Code Enforcement staff will continue to monitor your property to confirm the cannabis operation footprint has been eliminated and that it does not appear in the 2020 cultivation season.

If unpermitted cannabis operation persists or reappear in 2020, you will receive a Notice to Abate and a Notice of Violation for an unpermitted activity.

At this time there is no obligation or requirement to contact Code Enforcement staff to discuss this issue or any potential violations of County Code.

If you have questions…you may contact the County Planning Department….”

Ford said that for the 2019 season, Code Enforcement was directed to only send Notices of Intent to Abate to sites where the cultivation appeared to be using more than 6,000 square feet. He said these warning letters are for landowners with the smallest grow sites.

Ford said all the informal warning letters went in one batch.  No more are expected to be sent this season.  However, Ford hopes these letters will strongly encourage everyone who is still cultivating without a permit to consider the 2.0 permitting option now because there is a deadline of December 31st to get permitted under that program.

Existing Facilities (Note: The following section in italics is being checked wit John Ford for possible errors)

Ford says the Planning Department’s Cannabis Services staff are fully dedicated to last minute applications for sites with pre-existing cultivation activity.  People who want to cultivate on new sites, and those who miss the December 31 deadline, have to wait until the County has finished its CEQA Environmental review.  Ford says this could take a few years.

The philosophy of CEQA is to be a tool to shepherd a bad situation into becoming a better situation.  CEQA asks a business or an economic sector to name, explain, analyze and mitigate the environmental consequences of their economic activities.

Roughly speaking, because bringing a previously unregulated economic activity comes into regulation is seen to decrease environmental harms over time, CEQA exempts environmental review of “existing facilities.”  Before the CEQA Environmental Impact Review begins, the County has given owners of existing cultivation facilities in the marijuana economic sector until December 31 to declare their intention to be recognized as an existing facility by applying for a county permit.

2.0 is only available to “existing cultivation sites.” Larger existing operations can get permitted under 2.0, Ford says, the process has been streamlined for cultivation areas smaller than 6,000 square feet with an even easier matrix for sites under 3,000 square feet. Although the website does not make that easily known.

Small Farmers Encouraged to Apply

Nonetheless, Ford says the 2.0 permits are much more streamlined for cultivation sites less than 6,000 square feet and even easier for sites less than 3,000 square feet. He says, that it is likely applicants with grow sites less than 3,000 square feet, who apply now, can be permitted in time for planting in Spring of 2020.

John Ford says, though, that these less than 3,000 square foot permits are going through at “top speed” and that roads assessments and some other items are not needed for cultivation sites under 3,000 square feet.

However, which requirements applicants from smaller farms do have to meet is not easily understood from the Cannabis Services website.

Screenshot of the Humboldt County 2.0 Commercial Cannabis Cultivation Permit Application

Call for Assistance

While the 2.0 application is only two pages with lots of white space, it is still daunting. After a small box asking for identifying data such as the landowner and the parcel number, the rest of the application is a checklist of documentation applicants need to provide. The list includes a roads assessment, an invasive species management plan, soils management plan, parking plan, plan for adaptive reuse of the site, a water right, and 25 more items.

One consultant interviewed felt the County could have made the online application more user friendly, pointing out there are no hyperlinks from the application to the relevant sections of the County Ordinance or State Law where an applicant might learn what is required, nor to examples of the types of verbiage or documentation that might fulfill each requirement.

Some Consultants Expressed Pessimism

The consultants who help people through this process are less cheerful than Director Ford about 2.0. They agree 2.0 is more user friendly because what is needed is stated in clear terms.  However, they still see it as a complex process with expensive components. Without a road assessment or improvements, it still might cost about $30-40,000 to get a permit.

One consultant stated “the bar was set way too high” to ever allow existing cultivators with small farms of less than 100 plants into the permitted market.  Pointing to the fact that former Sheriff Downey had estimated the county held about 12,000 cultivation sites, the consultant said “At this point, I don’t think we will have more than a thousand legal farms in all of Humboldt County.”

The courtesy letters sent out by Humboldt County bring home the reality that the new framework has the potential to eliminate the family farm from the landscape.

As one consultant said,

They now realize they left the small farmers out of the picture. Now I think they are trying to salvage them. But it may be too little too late as [the unpermitted farmers] look to their neighbors and hear nothing good about becoming legal. If people were able to become legal and have a good experience doing it, then the neighbors would be more willing to enter the permit process. As it is, people…tell their friends, ‘Don’t even try it.’

Extinction on the Horizon

Despite the challenges to applying, Ford encourages anyone who can participate to come in and talk to the Cannabis Services Staff.  Once the deadline for that streamlined program ends, the County will move into an environmental review process that will include the cumulative impacts of fishing, logging, and existing permitted agriculture in each watershed and across the Eel River watershed while environmental advocates move forward with the process of listing the Summer Steelhead as a species “in danger of going extinct across most or all of its territorial range” under the Endangered Species Act.

This means the window of opportunity for getting a permit in the Eel River watershed may be closing quickly.

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Ridiculous Regs
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Ridiculous Regs
4 years ago

Why are they asking every cultivator for a road assessment? With multiple licensed cultivation businesses on the same road how many road evaluations do they need? If there are five licensed cultivators all using the same dirt road, why does the county need five road evaluations of that same road? Seems like an awfully expensive, unnecessary hurdle doesn’t it?

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago

Get in the shower and we’ll turn on the gas. Then we’ll bury you in these Mass Graves along with 70% of Humboldt County and their children. This is what they’ve done to Humboldt County’s number one industry. And when they’re done, there won’t be hardly any survives. Humboldt County EcoNonic Holocaust is real and that was created by the County Supervisors, Code Enforcement, and the Sheriff’s Department.

We are from the Government and we are here to help.

Thank you sincerely [edit] FOrd

planning director and producer of

Humboldt Countys EcoNomic Holocaust

M
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M
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

You are so disillusioned and dishonest. Seriously! For you to claim that 70% of children are raised on illegal, untaxed, pot money is Insane! I guess you do not venture out from under your rock. There’s a whole lot of people in Humboldt County getting up every morning taking their kids to school/daycare, going to work, and paying taxes. Not a single generation of my family was raised on untaxed dollars or from the sales of marijuana. Stop being a victim of your refusal to grow up, get a job, and pay taxes.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  M

Be a good boy and pay your taxes this was the largest industry in Humboldt County bar none the number one. Its effects all business and all walks of life and well be devastating. Even most of the county officials know this and are hoping that everybody signs up for these over-regulated permits. Not many people can make it through their Hoops or are willing to pay for something that is our God given right. As a small cultivator under 50 plants there is no place for us and a lot of people will be put under rock and a hard place. While most of California might benefit Humboldt County will be turned into a slum.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

There is a very good link on the bottom of the article to kmud news everybody that’s interested in this should listen

Local
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Local
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

It already become a slum

Almost
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Almost
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

$$$$$ ALMOST…$$$$.

J
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J
4 years ago
Reply to  M

To M
The getting up early, kids to school, work all day, tax paying 70% being discussed here are the growers. I’m sure the percentage is different in your area, This is very much just a humboldt county thing. Impossible to grasp without spending a little time here.

Kimp
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Kimp
4 years ago
Reply to  M

Well, nor has mine and we have been here for many, many years. 80% of all the marijuana smoked in the US came from the Emerald triangle counties for about 30 years now. Record keeping is a challenge in a black market industry but while you or I and my parents did not work in the pot industry anyone living and working here did benefit from the money being pumped in as a result of growing. People who came here in the 70’s and people already here worked together to develop strains and despite tremendous risk they succeeded. In little towns ravaged by the 64 flood and a timber industry on the skids are still on the map because of early growers and their success. As we deal with legal cultivation and all that implies people are legitimately disillusioned by a county who could have done so much more. Money made by resident growers stays here. Money made by corporate grows only stays here in the form of low wage trimming jobs that are often unsafe. People struggling with this mess should speak out, the board of supervisors should walk back policies that hurt small farmers. Before we deal with fall out from missed opportunities.

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

Your comparison of this permitting processes impacts on small farmers who know their activities are illegal (and make the decision to continue growing of their own free will) to the forced labor, tortuous medical experimentation and murder of millions of men, women and children is absolutely disgusting! You really need to take a step back and consider what you wrote; but, I suspect you will only come up with multiple reasons to justify your atrocious statement. Yet, you have the nerve to call someone else a “Fuktard”?

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Marc

Yes Marc Our God given right is not illegal growing marijuana are any type of fruit and vegetable should never be illegal. Believe what the county tells you. I reference the Holocaust because it will be devastating to our economy not to make light of what happened in Nazi Germany
anybody that has studied Humboldt County’s economy can tell you we are headed for dire times if it hasn’t impacted your business yet you are in a niche and well soon be blindsided about the realization when are economy tanks so hard that everyone is affected

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

“I reference the Holocaust because it will be devastating to our economy not to make light of what happened in Nazi Germany”.

Too late. You have already offended by this untoward reference. Shame on you. Pure shame. On you.

Me
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Me
4 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

Somebody doesn’t know what hyperbole is….

How’s the view from that soapbox you’re standing on ?

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

I know what hyperbole is, but I also believe there are boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed. Comparing financial consequences with one of the most horrific events in the history of mankind definitely crossed a boundary. Would you not agree? Do you really believe that this level of hyperbole is acceptable, or defensible?

Antichrist
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Antichrist
4 years ago
Reply to  Marc

for you to claim that the genocide in germany was the worst in the history of mankind is extreamly short sighted. hell there have been worst sine the end of ww2. even japan had equal horrific crimes committed during the war. check your offense please your blindness to the rest ofthe human race is sickening

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
4 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Check your reading skills.

“…ONE of the most horrific events in the history of mankind…”

Kinda negates your whole argument, doesn’t it? Genocide, no matter which ethnic peoples are being wiped out, isn’t to be minimized.

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

I understand your point, and even agree on the negative impact to the economy in Humboldt; however, I stand by my statement regarding your comparison.

As to your point on the economic impact, I left Humboldt in 1990, when the logging industry was beginning (continuing?) its final descent and I knew I wouldn’t be able to log much longer. I had no other option but to venture out and reinvent myself in order to build a career. I return to visit family frequently. Most of the mills are closed, fishing is nearly non-existent, as is tourism; these are the industries that provided opportunity in Humboldt back then.

Since then, on my return trips I have noticed the deterioration of Humboldt. In another comment here someone stated Humboldt will become a slum; I say it already has and it began in the late ‘80s. Weed may have pumped money into Humboldt, but it wasn’t saving it. It brought more crime due to “green rushers” and greed and most of the money likely left the county anyway. So, the reality is that Humboldt may see some harder times, but there is still great opportunity to turn this new paradigm into something positive and more aligned with the values of the growers who started it all in the ‘60s and ‘70s.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Marc

Yes.

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
4 years ago
Reply to  Marc

Agree entirely, Marc. I believe a comment equating this situation with turning on gas to exterminate Jewish people in ovens is horrendous, and should be deleted. This is no holocaust, and the comparison is sickening.

KYM???!!!
Joe Dirt’s comment is atrociously bad, and outright horrific for Jewish people. PLEASE delete this holocaust-diminishing and therefore anti-Semitic slur in its craven entirety. Please.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

~wakie, wakie, BB,

Meant as a warning, -doh.

USA is communist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-MKWSohv4Y&feature=em-uploademail 30 mins November 9th

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

I don’t care if your liberal or conservative. Personally, I am fiscally conservative, but believe in regulation as a necessary evil to protect people and the environment from greed. When was the last time you heard of a river burning? As well, there is a long line of conservatives in the Jewish community.

At any rate, the objection is to the comparison made; can you defend it? At this point you’ve added nothing to the conversation by attacking.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

Bonnie, I agree that Joe Dirt’s comment is offensive and over the top. However, he has the right to use hyperbole to make points even if many find his response ugly.

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I agree, and don’t want his post censored. I feel it is better to have the conversation.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The reason for the drastic and offencive comparison is because most people do not realize how bad things are going to get. I have done many things to prepare for what is going to happen. But have realized how little the few people that are preparing for what going to affect so much. When the sky falls it is going to come down so hard that it will devastate
Most of what we love about Humboldt County. Already some of us live in fear of home invasions and other crimes that are escalating

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

Joe, when you compare 6 million killed by the state for their race to economic hardship and some increased criminal activity, folks (especially those who lost entire family groups) aren’t going to be listening to your persuasion, they are going to be angry and hurt at you.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I think a lot of families are going to be devastated by the coming economic hardships we are all going to face. One of my best friends was Jewish and I don’t think he would be offended because this kind of economic devastation led to the original Holocaust. Which cost his family and many others to suffer drastically.

on the contrary I think they might be angry at those that created the situation although that’s what happened to the Jews also they were hunted because they tried to stand up against false Authority

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’ve been preparing for the worst for the last 20 years.! “One will always live there best if they prepare to welcome the worst.” (Me)

Willie Caos-mayham
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4 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

🕯🌳Sorry bright eyes but there right. 🖖

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago

Okay thanks
For backing me up

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

A lot of the families have already been devastated. The outcomes of these Financial busted families will become more and more apparent as time goes on. Joe dirt’s comments may not be far from the truth.

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonny b good

Oy fucking vey. This is no holocaust.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

— Martin Niemöller

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Give it a minute BonnieBlue seems that they’re going to start with the growers then homeless there will always be something that makes people uncomfortable in some way enough to attack please keep the swear words to a minimum I did not create this comment to push people apart but to prepare them for the future when we need to stand as one against the forces of ignorance and separation

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Ephesians 6:11-12, “Put on the whole Armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

Dave Kirby
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Dave Kirby
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

As far as abatement goes the biggest player in this “new age” is Fish and Wildlife. When the large ranches were subdivided and watersheds that supported a handful of households were sliced and diced into a bunch of parcels far beyond the infrastructure’s ability to support them the degradation of the environment became serious. With legalization the state is getting a firsthand look at the impact of too many using too few resources. Name calling the local government reps. might make you feel good but it won’t stop the changes that are taking place.

Wog
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Wog
4 years ago
Reply to  Dave Kirby

I don’t know if it’s because of a better winter, abatements or the requirement of forbearance, but this is the first time in 10 years that one of our local creeks has had water in it all summer. That’s a good thing for our watershed…

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Wog

That’s great to hear!!!

stuber
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stuber
4 years ago

It’s called jammers.com. They have devices that block up to a 300ft diameter circle from being seen by satellite. This eliminates the permit process, as they cannot see your crop, no need to deal with these cannabis nazis. In Trinity county, they have a “deal”, which starts out saying it’s a thousand dollars a year. But as you read on, well, it’s a thousand plus 750 for the first year. Then you find out it will cost you thousands more , and you might as well be a big grower! These people can only push so far, as a commie mayor in a town in Peru or Bolivia found out, she was dragged out of her office, they cut her hair, poured red paint on her, and threw dirt on her, then the cops came and dragged her off. The politicians here should take note with this. What’s your favorite color, Mr. Ford?

thetallone
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thetallone
4 years ago
Reply to  stuber

How can a jamming device block a satellite photograph? I’m calling bullshit.

stuber
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stuber
4 years ago
Reply to  thetallone

Did you look it up? I did. I have one. They work, as I cannot see our stuff when it’s on. Look it up, before you make yourself look more stupid.

Life is Good
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Life is Good
4 years ago
Reply to  stuber

It’s a pajama website.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Life is Good

😂😂😂

thetallone
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thetallone
4 years ago
Reply to  stuber

jammers.com sells clothes. If you google it, you get sites that sell cellphone jammers. I think you are kidding yourself that a jamming device can block a photograph from space. If you can provide any proof that this is possible, or products that will do that, please do.

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  thetallone

That’s how you jam them you hang clothes everywhere satellites can’t see in

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  stuber

What would happen if everyone ignored the letters and doubled up Mr Ford?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

HELLO, Government Cheese! Step right this way. Maybe you can tell me what is missing?
What is there Not to get?

“All codes, rules and regulations are applicable to the government authorities only, not
human/creators in accordance with God’s laws. All codes, rules and regulations are
unconstitutional and lacking in due process . . .”
Rodrigues v. United states Department of Labor, 769 F. 2d 1344 (9th Cir. 08/26/1985).

“There, every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent.”
Cruden v Neale, 2 N.C. 338 (1796) 2 S.E. 70.

“They conferred as against the government the right to be left alone – the most comprehensive of rights and the most valued by civilized men.” Olmsted v United States 277 U.S. 438, 478 (1928), Washington v Harper, 494 U.S. (1990).

I have a stack of John Bartholomew, the Tax Collector, envelopes – years. Maybe ten. The Teeter Plan says that your property can’t be sold to appease The County debts, unless “The County” can prove debts. [paraphrased]. Guess what? The County is drowning in irredeemable paper. Million-a-month resale tax extortion. Grants up the gazoo.

RETURN TO SENDER
RETURNED FOR FRAUD

Identity theft – the creation of incorporated “personas” to entrap and enslave living people together with the practice of personage, barratry, and the subtle or armed “takings” that goes with it, is the rankest kind of substitution fraud known to man.

Call their bluff
Cake walk

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago

If you’ll trust my personal history, you’ll do fine.

When not calling their bluff, you submit.

G Cheese to the rescue, good one!

If you ask for permission (legal) the response is normally … “sure you can do this how much money have you?” WTF?

The permit sellers are currently selling back to Americans their own rights. Go ahead, line-up, mortgage the farm, become a tax collector.

The story of the Poisoned Tree warns us, don’t bite the fruit the sellers control.

J
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J
4 years ago

Ignoring letters for 3 years, nobody has come to my property yet

For sure
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For sure
4 years ago

Get a POOP!

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  For sure

AKA give A shit

Taurus Ballzhoff
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Taurus Ballzhoff
4 years ago

OH! This won’t start a shitstorm!

Any comments?

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

Blessings to the 470. Humboldt County needs a Measure on the ballot protecting grows with less than 99 plants and number the ballot initiative 470 Humboldt Organic Grower Protection Act (HOGPA). All fees should be waived for permitees who grow 99 plants or less and get organic certification in Humboldt County. Certification automatically licenses 1 (only one organic license per APN can be awarded) cultivation permit since all water storage and environmental issues have been vetted by the process to get organically certified. The only taxes required under HOGPA is a dry weight tax of 5 dollars per pound. Vote Yes on 470!

30 plants is what they are bitchin about not being legal. Threatening these scenes is petty and clearly shows the continued broken promises of Humboldts political leadership. We who grow know why, it’s because their family members, friend, or in-laws shit weed cannot sell. It cannot sell against a real Humboldt growers dank, sticky, stanky nugs on Main Street USA.

JB
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JB
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

You could vote on it all you wish … Wouldn’t matter as it would be state law illegal.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  JB

Yes, but just like the local jurisdiction leaning one way or another has been shown to affect enforcement…one way or another.

Murder in Humboldt gets prosecuted much differently than other counties. That’s a running joke all over the country.

The county has a choice,

it’s obvious that it’s about the corporate dollar. They will deep 6 the individual’s freedom in the name of exercising authority.

Control is a powerful tool.

Money is the Wd40 for that tool.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

“No punishment, in my opinion, is to great, for the man who can build his greatness upon his country’s ruin.” –George Washington.

“Sovereign” – “The right of self-government does not comprehend the government of others.” –Thomas Jefferson.

“Change the way you look at things, and the things you look at change.” —Wayne Dyer

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Perfect timing for poop right at the beginning of a shitstorm

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago

He (John Ford) said, “If it isn’t [marijuana cultivation,] contact us and tell us that. If it is, the County expects it to stop or [for the farmer to] get a permit and become legal.”

But !! —the letters don’t say this.
In fact the letter states, ” At this time there is no obligation or requirement to contact Code Enforcement staff to discuss this issue or any potential violations of County Code…”

So which is it?

And WHAT EXACTLY are they ASSUMING is cultivation? Greenhouses that haven’t been abated? Vineyards? Lush gardens and orchards?

This is the same kind of threatening & accusatory ” form letter” that the waterboard sent out last year . Only the h20board at least tried to justify their claims by including maps with the *alleged grow* circled. Which in every letter that I saw were 100% innacurate and just randomly placed over legitimate garden features, or over literally nothing. And they left small, or single-plant gardens with no red circles at all .

These bogus letters were generated by control-freak, pencil-pushing tools of the planning dept . And they can fuck off. Sorry. Someone had to say it.

The insight of the consultant’s perspective, reflections on high co$ts and endless hurdles as well as neighbor’s bad review of the experience, and highlighting the cumbersome and unintelligible format of the county app portal were appreciated, though they don’t bode well for the small farmer. ((Who of course just has 40k laying around to get legal on micro 3k square foot grow.))

And let’s play along …so they get permitted. Where is the legal channels for all this product? I’m hearing mixed reports, and 99% of permitted farms are utilizing the black market to stay afloat. Can every permitted farmer actually find the distributor to work with them ? How much oil can California consume? As is, right now the green /frozen /trim market is stalled out because of the vape alert . And some of the product already taken off the hill to fresh freeze went through crisis during the power outage. How did that green hold up when it thawed and was refrozen . Who knows.

Overall this was an informative, albeit depressing read. Thanks.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Anon, there’s no conflict between the first two statements. They both are doable.
If you grow, get legal or stop. If you don’t, tell them you don’t. They ploy of “Officer, I never knew that” is being systematically called out. As for threatening- well duh. That is what enforcement is and always has been.

What simply goes on in all comments is that people have grown illegally for years and don’t see why they should be forced to follow the law just to become legal. Nor be dinged for money like every other business. Not to mention read the actual regulations which I admit the county dohes not make easy. At least the grow regulations are online. Ever try to get building permit rules? It’s like whack-a-mole with invisible moles. The county needs to have every regulation online. Period.

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago
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No other agriculture product has these onerous regulations and taxation just to secure their RIGHT to cultivate !

I maintain the conflicting nature of John Ford’s comment, to the statements in these ” violation but not a violation” letters, highlights perfectly the disconnect in the humboldt planning dept.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

A commercial operation always has a boat load of regulations. Maybe it’s simply that, while carrots are not worth much per pound, pot is. It’s also processed on site unlike most products. It attracts people like wildcatting oil well drillers used to be- get rich quick – lots of return for small investment and a carelessness for collateral damage. The regulations for the equivalent in wine making involve land use, pesticide, fertilizing, water sourcing regulations plus sanitation requirements plus excise taxes and sales restrictions. A “wine tasting room” is regulated less than a “wine bar” for example. They pay, upfront and forever.

Pot is constantly touted as an economic engine in Humboldt Co but that designation is only important if it creates taxable income. “Trust me” is not a long established more among growers. So over regulation is the only effective regulation.

Regulations will be eased as time goes on and the “wildcatters” are thinned out. But in no process is Humboldt Co Planning Dept easy whether it’s pot a housing ddveopment. It has an old boy attitude that is resistant to the public. Nothing new with that.

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest you are talking but say nothing that correlates. The value of cannabis is varied and volatile. And it’s nothing like vineyards which have no pre cultivation taxes and 20pt checklist of bogus hoop jumping. Not to mention the water board overreaching power . If I ran cattle I could do that in a creek . But cannabis cultivation needs a 200ft setback . Cows are granted 300 gal water PER DAY/PER COW per the waterboard no special permission or hoop hopping. Just think about that for a little minute

thetallone
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thetallone
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

That’s right. Cattle can stomp around and shit in the creek and destroy the stream bed. Where’s Fish & Game for that? Can we abate cows? Do that if you want to see a shitstorm. It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

/” It’s cultural warfare, make no mistake.”/

“The reason people awaken is because they have finally stopped agreeing to things that insult their soul.”

“The universe has shaken you to awaken you.” Mastin Kipp

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Absolutely !

Our California Cannabis Culture is being culled to reflect what socialists admire. “people can’t take care of themselves, we’ll feed ’em all while selling their rights back to ’em.”

BARF.

Get out of the way, or follow, “legal” definitely can’t lead.

Doggo the commie
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Doggo the commie
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Violuation
Read it yourself
😁😛😝

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

Fixed.

complain
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complain
4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

Enough people complained to the state about Mendocino County’s Building and Planning dept (especially Fort Bragg’s) that the state severely reprimanded them. Made them make clear all building codes. AND made it clear they were to be helpful from then on.

Amazingly enough, it worked. In FB at any rate. The state must have threatened their individual jobs or something. Sanitation (septic and wells) staff still seems a bit iffy IMO, but FB B&P & their code enforcement is polite, helpful and consistant. With buildings at any rate.. IDK about pot.

FB kid
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FB kid
4 years ago
Reply to  complain

I would like to hear more about this. When did this occur?

complain
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complain
4 years ago
Reply to  FB kid

Over 6 years ago. I don’t know the particulars. I was trying to find a fixer property and went in there several times with many questions about particular properties. They were very helpful and consistent. I commented about them to a couple people who live there and was told that.

If your from FB you might not know that Humboldt county B&P has a very bad reputation of being inconsistent and not at all helpful.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

~unless other counties follow suit. That’s such a sadisticle thought to put into print. AS IF, it’s all on the up-n-up becuz some other “counties” follow suit. It’s all Frud. ALL of it.

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago

Wow, the details of permitting for small farms is finally being presented to the public in a less obscure manner, and its looks very grim! To grow in a 54′ x 54′ space or smaller will cost 30 – 40K!

If we go from 12,000 grows to 1000, our county will die. Cannabis is far and away the number one source of income in our county. There will be no one here except some park service employees and a handful or retired people.

And remember, unless your cultivation site existed prior to December 31 2015 (meaning you grew illegally) all new permits will be restricted to prime ag soil. There is very little prime ag soil in Humboldt and most is it is near the coast.

I’m looking to buy property in the next two years, but I cannot live in a county that uses spy satellites to invade our privacy, even though I dont plan to grow cannabis. We have to pass a law that will stop our county from using spy satellites.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

Who gets the money? That is the question. If some of the marijuana cash income gets spread to local businesses, then only a very small amount tricked down from those businesses to government. Meanwhile the demands on government are more from growers. Not only do they use the same schools, roads, infrastructure, social services,fire fighters, police as everyone else, they also attracg, at least at this time, a greater share of the local crime.

If the growers are really so economically important,than like every other 1%er, shouldn’t they pay a bigger share of government taxes? At least that’s been the cry until growers found their own precious hineys in the jaws of the bureaucracy instead of the faceless “rich people” like those evil ranchers. Ahhh… For the good old days of being a successful, non taxpaying crook…

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

Are many ranchers in the 1%?

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Not often but try to tell that to the commenting herd.

Doggo the commie
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Doggo the commie
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym, ALL ranchers are, by virtue of land ownership alone. They may pretend otherwise.

10% then
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10% then
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

They sure ain’t BROKE!

Beef is EXPENSIVE, you see all the $60-80K 1-Ton’s driving around the Fortuna bottoms and Ferndale, they aren’t ALL dopers in growdozers

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  10% then

It takes roughly $700,000 per year to be in the 1%. I don’t know of many ranchers who net that much. https://www.investopedia.com/personal-finance/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/

Doggo the commie
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Doggo the commie
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

No Kym, it is about WEALTH, not income.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

I agree that wealth and income are separate though not totally unrelated. But, if you want to just talk wealth, do you think many ranchers are in the 1%

Old Mendo Fart
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Old Mendo Fart
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Hi Kym,

From Investopedia it looks like it takes a little over 10 million in net worth to be in the top 1%. So a ranch would have to be worth over 10 million and owned by a debt free rancher before the rancher could be considered a 1%’er. Given that I know of one ranch in Laytonville of about 4600 acres that sold for $15 million, if that’s any guideline on how many local ranchers would be in the 1%.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Old Mendo Fart

Maybe…I’d have to see that’s an average. Mendocino County is pretty popular.

Yeah, sure
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Yeah, sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Mendo Fart

Was that the Shamrock Ranch?

Old Mendo Fart
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Old Mendo Fart
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah, sure

It was the Clarke. It was purchased from the long time owners (something like 60 years) by a silicon valley multi-millionaire. I know the Shamrock was bought by a Chinese billionaire, I’m sure for a lot more money because the Shamrock is close to quadruple the size. This of course raises the question, how many ranches are owned by historical owners whose only asset is the ranch, and how many have been consumed by 1%’ers from out of the area how don’t give a rat’s ass about our region?

hooktender
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hooktender
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Top 1%, it depends which state you live in.
In California it takes $514,604 to get into the top 1%.
In most of the states with large ranches it drops to approx. $280- $315,000.
These #’s are gross income, before deductions.
I know many pot growers that have been in the top 1% for years.
In California to make into the top 10%, you have to make $250,000.

do you think 500 acres are cheep
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do you think 500 acres are cheep
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

i would say most ranchers are easy 1%ers. they are not .1%ers. for sure any rancher with 500 plus cattle are in the top 1 %

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

To be in the top 1% of the wealthiest US residents, this site says you need $10,374,030.10 in net wealth https://dqydj.com/net-worth-brackets-wealth-brackets-one-percent/

Black Rifles Matter
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Black Rifles Matter
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

as a rancher in commifornia. You want to know how you become a millionaire ranching????? Start with two million.
It’s true nowadays. Ranchers are a dying breed just like mom n pop growers. I feel for you as well.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

Nope, ranchers are not a dying breed.

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Most of the rancher in Humboldt especially during the drought years when tons of feed needed to be brought in. Supplemented their earnings in the marijuana industry remember this was Humboldt County’s number industry nothing else even compared.

85%
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85%
4 years ago

It never should have been the “99%”. Probably the 80% or 85%. Above some line many (not all) people’s agendas change and screw everyone else. For some it’s an even smaller amount…

Old Mendo Fart
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Old Mendo Fart
4 years ago

The family ranchers I’m acquainted with aren’t giant landowners. A couple I’ve known have a couple thousand acres of inherited land, which is not enough to make a living on. One I know near me only has around 900 acres. The ones that choose to remain cowboys for a living typically lease additional land and rotate their herds as needed.

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

“Who gets the money? That is the question. If some of the marijuana cash income gets spread to local businesses, then only a very small amount tricked down from those businesses to government. Meanwhile the demands on government are more from growers.”

The only way in which demands of government are greater for growers is in that the government decided to play a regulatory role, and pay themselves unjustly well for doing so. The greatest share of crime in our area is attributable to poverty, driving growers out of the community will make that far worse.

“If the growers are really so economically important,than like every other 1%er, shouldn’t they pay a bigger share of government taxes? ”

You seem to be making an obvious error in thinking. On the aggregate they are economically critical, that does not mean that any one grower is a 1%er. Personally I think that taxes should be the same percentage of income for everyone. Closing loopholes exploited by the wealthy is a more just way to redistribute wealth.

” At least that’s been the cry until growers found their own precious hineys in the jaws of the bureaucracy instead of the faceless “rich people” like those evil ranchers. Ahhh… For the good old days of being a successful, non taxpaying crook…”

So you’re writing in response to some kind of straw man argument? You’re saying growers have “cried” that 1%er should be taxed more heavily, therefore, given the economic importance of growers, they should be taxed more heavily? I’m not going to call you stupid, but it seems you are having bad luck at thinking.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

Only complaining about the illogic of both claiming to be the economic engine of Humboldt Co simultaneously with complaining about the costs of government regulating it into oblivion when the costs are less than they would spend on a used car. Either they are money makers or they’re not.

Thinking may seem to you to be a matter of luck because the process is shrouded in mystery for you. But then I’m not calling you stupid either.

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

The most fitting response seems to be to repeat myself.

“You seem to be making an obvious error in thinking. On the aggregate they are economically critical, that does not mean that any one grower is a 1%er.”

I dont know anyone who buys 30-40k used cars outright, no financing.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

It does seem like many abated grows have a fairly good supply of money confiscated. My neighbor down the road had $400, 000 in his grow. With this much money floating around, a little of it could have been directed to getting legal?

https://kymkemp.com/2018/11/28/over-40000-seized-more-than-30-detained-sheriffs-department-releases-more-information-on-large-cannabis-bust-on-wilder-ridge-road/

https://cannabisnow.com/humboldt-mega-busts-continue-despite-legalization/

https://www.420magazine.com/420-news/california-is-awash-in-cannabis-cash-some-is-being-used-to-bribe-public-officials/

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
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Ugh, yea that 3 mil take, brutal. Speaking of which the affidavits only mention a little over 2 million seized. So, is the media just rounding up 8 hundred thousand dollars or they calculate based on wet and dry weight like us.

Emeral
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Emeral
4 years ago

You should get out more player.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
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Eastern Europeans here in humboldt don’t complain, they pay very good lawyers to do that for them. It’s really simple actually….. PROVE IT! NO? CASE CLOSED. God I love America!

Anne D.
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Anne D.
4 years ago

the “bad luck at thinking” line earned you a “gufaw” and 5 interwebs commenter points…
(interwebs commenter points are easily redeemable at your local REI the outdoor equipment headquarters!..)

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

“non taxpaying crook”

I resemble that!

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

If you could get away with that you must be a superhero breaking the chains and shackles is almost impossible I have been helping support the local volunteer fire departments and alternative schooling for many years sharing food in energy for those in need you should pay your community service to those who you believe in not to a government that is not looking out for the greater good

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

/”you should pay your community service to those who you believe in not to a government that is not looking out for the greater good”/

~concur.

HughesNet
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HughesNet
4 years ago

satellites are fake technology, they do not exist. They use airplanes to take the photos.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  HughesNet

HughesNet,

~you know you’re bordering on the unspoken, right? I don’t think it’ll fly in here -pun intended. Do you too often think of that movie w/Tom Hanks where his whole life is on display? All planned out. Zero choice.

Nesta Gong
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Nesta Gong
4 years ago

“Jah would never give no power to a bald head, run come crucify the dread…time will tell, think you’re in heaven but you’re living in hell”

Bob Marley

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

`

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

And justice for the rich.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Sparkelmahn

Money buys justice sparkles.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

We grow weed to get money to pay for justice if justice doesn’t catch us first. I drove before I had a license to drive. Never been in an accident, raided three times though, lol

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Raided. Labeled; “Civil Asset Forfeiture” – that non-human language. I bet there’s not many amongst us, who hasn’t done the ol asset forfeiture more than once.

(a)sset. Such an interesting non-word. We’re gonna drown in our language. I’m sure of it.

global climate, legal democracy change, warmth.

Me
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Me
4 years ago

I say everyone with 100 plants should tell the planning department to fuck off. People with city water that use solar in their 10×30 backyard grows shouldn’t need permits to do a god damned thing.

Hit the un permitted 6000 square foot grows all you like but leave mom and pops out of it, they aren’t the ones who were raking in millions every year and then rewarded for it when this whole fiasco started.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

Then there will be the same manipulation as happened in the medical marijuana grows- one grower would tack a bunch of dubious medical marijuana cards on the gate, stick out his jaw and tell everyone to prove that it wasn’t a co op.

It’s not feasible to leave such easily abused situations unregulated. It’s like truancy in schools- if there are no rules for skipping a day, there will be no consequences for skipping a month either.

Youre on a roll today
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Youre on a roll today
4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

The coop structure was only a valid legal defense in our county for a very short time period. The approach was widely employed, despite it offering no legal protection at all. in fact, it was simply the policy of the former sheriff to do little to nothing about mega grows.

Yes, I'm Really on a roll today.
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Yes, I'm Really on a roll today.
4 years ago

In other words it worked. Some other personal interpretation is always a useful smoke cloud. Like the guy who complained the police had no right to arrest him for walking down a public sidewalk, forgetting to mention his arms were full of the property he just stole from a home. Obfuscation is a tool much loved by those who know better but decide to go ahead anyway.

Youre on a roll today
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Youre on a roll today
4 years ago

How can you have this poor of comprehension? No it didn’t work. It offered no protection or deterrent to law enforcement. It didn’t work anymore than closing you’re eyes makes the sun stop shining.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

Nasty remarks aside, it worked from 1996 until the beginning of this year. https://cannabiswire.com/2019/01/09/grace-period-sunsets-for-californias-medical-cannabis-co-ops/

“In a recent post, Omar Figueroa, a longtime cannabis attorney, pointed out there were two loopholes to the provision. First, there was no limit on how many patients or caregivers could join a collective, which led to several with thousands of members. There was also no cap on how many collectives a patient or caregiver could join. Combined, these loopholes made it so that those with medical cannabis recommendations could become members of a medical cannabis collective, which provided them with cannabis in exchange for “reimbursement” for expenses. This, alongside conflicting local regulations, led to a chaotic landscape where the lines between legal and illegal activity were often blurry.”

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

~you are in here praising attorneys? Do you know what year it is?

[edit]

well . .
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well . .
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

You can tell them to fuck off, but they will steal your land and remove you under threat of death if you do. Unless many people are willing to offer them the same threat in return, the strategy cannot work.

Me
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Me
4 years ago
Reply to  well . .

Right , that’s why i said “ everyone should tell them to fuck off “

well . .
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well . .
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

Touché. I’m just making clear that “telling them to fuck off” will quickly escalate to them sending armed men to remove you, and seize your land. Probably try to take your freedom as well. It will require martyrs/heros before the tide turns. I salute you.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
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Agree me. I’ll say it again. What if everyone ignored the letters and doubled up Mr Ford? And well, they can’t send armed men onto your property on a hunch. Not by law. Not yet. It’s extortion, plain n simple. Legal or not legal. You are being bullied into paying a fee for the promise of false protection. The feds are laughing there asses off. Class action law suit will shut up the board real quick like.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
4 years ago

My attorney has stated that the abatement notices are 100% illegal. If there was a class action suit, it would have to go to the supreme court, but it would go through. In the meantime you would be crucified by the county and lose everything, but you would win and get it all back and then some eventually. I don’t see why someone doesn’t do it, our quality of life can’t get much worse, we already have the military flying around and can’t keep the power on.

Old lady
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Old lady
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

You hit that nail squarely, sir. And since I generally (for the past 20 years) have grown fewer than 30 plants, with city water and zero runoff, organic style with zero impact on anyone…and there is no way of permitting what I do, this all has caused ptsd that makes life much harder than it needs to be for an old lady.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Old lady

1911 I trust,

F the Supreme Court -that’s eons away on the other side of the pond in a Galaxy far far away.

Federal courts are naturally in accord unless constrained to hold otherwise by decisions in the state Jurisdiction. English v. United States, 25F (2d) 335 (Md. 1928); Swanson v. United States, 3F. Supp. 813 (N.D.N.Y. 1933).

Me and you and us and We, ARE the state.

25 is a Grand Jury -and there ain’t no way around it.

“Get out of the way, or follow, “legal” definitely can’t lead”. –Rod Gass

Vee-Ate
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Vee-Ate
4 years ago

I’m gonna go ahead and call “Shenanigans” on this whole operation.

Ford says that the county is giving people the option to “get permits”.

Yet, the number of permits available is limited, right?

So this is a state-backed monopoly and the use of arms to enforce said monopoly. When can we expect to be required to pay “permit and licensing fees” for the act of growing tomatoes, corn and squash?

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Vee-Ate

Actually regulation the number would seem to be a point to attack regulations. Zoning is long been established but calling numbers is not.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

~the zoning changes every time the wind blows.

While we’ve been asleep at the wheel, The County of Humboldt Supes. have all but destroyed the Williamson Act of 1965. California’s premier open space reserves, protection. Prime Soil, or Prime Ag., whatever it was, was delineated for greenhouses – Whoop. Whoop. Wee. Even WITH a Williamson Act “over$ight” committee – how shocking is that?

Cmon 2020 elections cmon justice
Guest
Cmon 2020 elections cmon justice
4 years ago

By by Humboldt county politicians you have successfully committed political suicide!!!!! You will be out of a job and can’t wait to see it personally!!!!!

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

Noise level is not the same as voting. But it does stand to be referendum on whether the pot people really out number everyone else in the voting booth. It will be interesting but a surprise if the issue effects the races generally.

What can we do?
Guest
What can we do?
4 years ago

The sheriff ran uncontested last election. No one else wants the job. We as a community need to advertise for the position. We must to come together, and take out ads searching for a candidate. If we advertise widely, we will be able to find a sheriff willing to serve the community, as we wish to be served.

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago

Forgive my ignorance but is that really how it works? Do the county board of supervisors get to more-or-less set the policy of the sheriff department? I’m not in the second district.

Which of these people support fixing this issue for small cannabis growers? Which ones need to be voted out? Have they even been presented this issue?

1st District Supervisor: Rex Bohn
2nd District Supervisor: Estelle Fennell
3rd District Supervisor: Mike Wilson
4th District Supervisor: Virginia Bass
5th District Supervisor: Steve Madrone

Central HumCo
Guest
4 years ago

PSYCHOLOGY 101

If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage, hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.

As soon as the monkey touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes an attempt with the same result…all the other monkeys are sprayed. Soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys try to prevent it. Put the hose away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace with a new one. The new one sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five, replacing it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment…with enthusiasm.

Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by a fourth and then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked. Most of the monkeys who are beating him up have no idea why they are not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, none of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.

WHY? Because in their minds…that is the way it has always been!

This, my friends, is how Legislatures, Courts, Attorneys, Supervisors, City Councils, Police Depts.,, Sheriffs Depts., and “stagh” operate…and is why from time to time, all of the monkeys must be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME.

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

So we all need to go for the banana (violate ordinance) even though many of us will be sprayed with cold water (land seized, jailed, fined, or murder if we resist)? Ok but we will still need some martyrs to take the first spraying.

Maybe we can organize a legal defense fund for those who are willing to stand against the sheriff?

Or are the supervisors the monkeys who we must replace while teaching them to fear the hose?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

/”Or are the supervisors the monkeys who we must replace”/

Yes.

The Whole enchilada. The whole kit-n-caboodle. Pump the septic. Drain the cesspool.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

I’ve been trying to spray them down but the water has not been cold enough yet

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

~thanks, Joe. Man your station.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

They been spraying is down for many generations making us beat up each other. Got my hand on the hose now the water is getting cold enough and they are starting to beat each other up they didn’t like the bananas but they sure did our money
just a experiment on social justice

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

VERY well said central humco. 😍 “dude, that’s the letter, if you don’t comply you will be sprayed with cold water and your neighbors will kick your ass!”

The Mexican cartel
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The Mexican cartel
4 years ago

Mike Wilson is okay Steve Madrone might be okay if the monkeys stop attacking him the rest are rotten to the Core

Central HumCo
Guest
4 years ago

~what’s the first thing they do at a public meeting?

Salute a 4-colored commercial flag. For those in here who willingly choose to remain asleep – keep in mind: language, thought, and reality:

“The (FEDERAL) government of the United States is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.” In re Merriam, 36 N.E. 505, 141 N.Y. 479, affirmed 16 S. Ct. 1073, 163 U.S. 625, 411 L. Ed. 287.

“It is not the duty of US police to protect Americans. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers.” Sapp v Tallahassee 38 So.2nd 363

“. . . an ordinance which makes the peaceful enjoyment of freedom which the Constitution guarantees contingent upon the uncontrolled will of an official – as by requiring a permit or license which may be granted or withheld in the discretion of such official – is an unconstitutional censorship or prior restraint upon the enjoyment of those freedoms.”
Staub v. Baxley 365 US 313 (1958).

~i have reams of this stuff, i call Treason!

If they’re not talking freedom speak, as in the Supreme Law of the Land language, i can’t hear them. Are we all done w/Newspeak, yet?

Life is Good
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Life is Good
4 years ago

I’ve seen a lot of MQ75’s rolling down the road as of late and they’re not for PGE blackouts. I suspect we’re going back to the old days of big indoor and perimeter outdoor scenes.

Tanuki Smith
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4 years ago

What happened to Medical cannabis? Nothing. It’s still there. In Mendocino county a 215 permit is free! You can have 2 scripts per parcel. 200 sq feet. It’s free, they don’t make you jump through flaming hoops. I didn’t have have any of that onus requirements. I just scatter 200 ‘ patches all over my property. The form I filled out was super simple, zero fees for now.
Here’s a thought, I was under the impression that someone has to report illegal grows. Is that someone a code enforcement officer? And they are watching to see what you do about the letter?
That’s not good. It’s looking like a county sponsored shake down. Not a very well concealed one at that.

Yes, I'm Really on a roll today.
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Yes, I'm Really on a roll today.
4 years ago
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JB
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JB
4 years ago

Btw, that link is out of date regarding the medical collective rules. Seriously wrong info.

Old lady
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Old lady
4 years ago
Reply to  Tanuki Smith

You just made me cry.

thetallone
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thetallone
4 years ago
Reply to  Tanuki Smith

FYI-Mendo is planning to use satellites to detect illegal flowers.

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago
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thetallone- Not exactly true. The Mendocino County Board of Supervisors voted to proceed to study the idea of using the same satellite software program as Humboldt County. It was not a unanimous vote and there was spirited and reasonable opposition. Currently the Mendocino County Planning and Building Department has an abatement process that is complaint- driven ( as Humboldt’s used to be) and there is concern about switching to a government vs people model ( as there should have been in Humboldt). Mendocino County does not have the ability to place exorbitant abatement fines on properties as Humboldt has done. Those excessive fines ( ex. $10,000/day) were approved by Humboldt County voters sick of terrible behavior from greedrushers. (Yes- many of those same greedrushers then bought permits). Mendocino County weed politics are being heavily influenced by Flo Kana and so it’s no surprise to see the idea of satellite spying being considered…the abatements as demonstrated by Humboldt County are a sure-fire way to destroy small to mid level grows and have their market share absorbed by large corporate grows…The best media coverage of Mendocino County’s evolving weed policy can be found in the Mendocino County Observer based out of Laytonville.

thetallone
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thetallone
4 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Thanks for the clarification. Personally, I suspect that they will use satellite photos. Mendo County has a long and rich history of using harassment and hefty fines against pot farmers, not to mention a notorious squad of vicious, dishonest and unscrupulous narcs. I can only imagine how the DA’s office is salivating at the prospect of $10k/day fines.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~i do not believe anything the gubbernut tells me. Therefore, i’m not sold on satellites. The moon landing didn’t happen. But while we’re looking at and discussing fiction, there is the possibility that the natural gas pipe lines are being removed. It is possible.

just a thought.

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago

They will pass the same ordinance that Arcata passed, limiting electrical usage. It caused hundreds of families to move out of Arcata. It will drive people to diesel grows again, if passed county wide.

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago

Huge diesel grows are already back. Good job, Humboldt!

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Farce

A lot of the legal people are using big diesel generators also to keep growing 24/7 every month of the year big green houses with huge generators on each when you are legal you could get away with almost anything

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Deisel particulates raining down on the very young 24/7 is the most disturbing. They are extremely toxic and unfortunately heavy and dense; they settle deep in the lungs.

And which watershed doesn’t have benzine on it?

Cities strictly prohibit deisel emmisions – for a reason!!

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Anon and Joe Dirt- Yes it’s not right at all. Joe Dirt- It’s amazing what they are allowing the permit people to get away with. All of our housing construction is subjected to energy calculations- double paned windows, insulation, number of windows, etc etc that rule how we can build so we don’t waste energy resources. Yet these massive greenhouses have only plastic walls and are run through the winter- some in snow country even- and are heated by huge propane furnaces then vented constantly to the outside air to maintain prime growing conditions. As you said there are massive banks of diesel generators running around the clock to power the lights in winter. people don’t know what’s happening because it’s mostly hidden from public view. It is a shit show and an environmental nightmare that is endorsed by our county supervisors because they want the permit fees and taxes. And then they beat up the small outdoor growers?!

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
4 years ago

Hey, Cannabis is Legal: CANNABIS AIN’T LEGAL!

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Sparkelmahn

Yep sparkle. Neither is alcohol

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago

Neither is freedom they keep trying to sell it to us.

Guesty
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Guesty
4 years ago

My friend got one and they grow vegetables in greenhouses in their yard! What a joke and a huge amount of stress and worries over the costs of proving that they aren’t growing.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Guesty

What costs are there to proving they’re not growing?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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What costs are there in constructing a gallows pole?

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

They’ve already stuck their head in the Noose and it looks like they will pull the lever soon. History will say
Self-sacrifice for the good of the people they’ll be martyrs

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
Reply to  Jonny b good

I see your point even with their head in the noose no one will pull the lever. Our best hope is somehow it gets set off by accident are when they start circling the poop they will get Zapped like shit flies often do

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
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They don’t have to prove sh!t! That’s my point, what are they going to do? Send armed personnel through your locked gate to see if your growing veggies in there. No. No they won’t. They have to prove your NOT growing veggies. Not you. God, didn’t any of you go to law school? Lol

Ben Waters
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Ben Waters
4 years ago

“Last week, Humboldt County’s Commercial Cannabis Cultivation unit at Code Enforcement sent out about 470 warning letters to residents it suspects of unpermitted cultivation activity.”

Wow! Humboldt County Code Enforcement sure is busy. I wonder when they’ll find the time to do some long-overdue enforcement of County Codes not related to cannabis but still very important to us regular taxpayers ???

Me
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Me
4 years ago
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Right ?!?!?

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
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They have violations right in front of their building with unfinished sidewalks forcing people do be in danger crossing the street are going around the corner and many more in Eureka

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

potholes galore. No different than any other city/county 2030 Agenda. The roads aren’t maintained. Therefore, when escape is on your mind – forget it. Unless you’re on the 36, which is kept-up like the autobahn.

Doggo the commie
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Doggo the commie
4 years ago

What is a “violuation”?

Me
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Me
4 years ago

It appears to be a typo for the word
“ violation “ . I feel bad that that had to be explained to you.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
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There definition of violation is putting your fingers in your ear and blowing hard

Tanuki Smith
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4 years ago

Most cannabis shops sell medical marijuana. Maybe open a collective dispensary, give medicine to folks for free.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Tanuki Smith

~i think you’re onto something, Tanuki. The product has to be free from seed to soul. Planted as such, cultivated as such, harvested as such, cured and trimmed as such, P U R E -as much as possible. But then, that’s one of the plants’ many attributes, it restores the soil.

So, a collective dispensary brought together minus Big Daddy.

I’m in.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Minus Big Daddy,

It’s the only to succeed, the state tax collectors and middlemen must be eliminated.

It ain’t about the weed.

Karel
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Karel
4 years ago

Only people crying about getting legal are the ones that are greedy and dont wanna pay taxes. You’ve had ample time to get legal and if you get fined 10 grand a day or lose your farm it’s your own damn fault. Crybabies

Me
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Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Karel

I think it’s more that the small growers feel cheated for the fact that they weren’t blowing up greed gardens and destroying the environment raking in the dough to eventually pay for beyond ludicrous amounts of money to grow a flower.

The people who were targeted in the letter don’t have 5+ acres of ag land and a few hundred thousand dollars to throw at the gangsters in Government who decide who can do what on their own land

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago
Reply to  Karel

It’s exactly the opposite, those who weren’t greedy, and never went big cannot afford the cost of going legal. This entire notion of growers not paying taxes is silly. If you dont claim income, you cant qualify for auto or property loans. Because their income is illegitimate, most growers are paranoid about taking any kind of deductions, and may in the end pay more than others.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago

Without tax collectors would anybody ever pay taxes? Only the tax collectors.

M
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M
4 years ago

Oh look, just another little innocent cannabis farmer victimized by LEO, the government, IRS, and society.
The typical finds from grows…
. During a search of the vehicle, deputies located multiple firearms, ammunition and magazines, body armor, a large amount of cash, approximately 148 grams of heroin, approximately 1 pound of methamphetamine, approximately 23 pounds of cannabis packaged for sales, prescription medications and materials consistent with the sale of controlled substances.

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  M

I would argue this is not typical of the types of grows that are the focus of these letters. I had many friends in school in the early ‘80s whose families’ supplemented their incomes with small gardens that allowed them to live where and how they wanted in a sustainable fashion. They weren’t greedy. They weren’t criminals beyond growing a small number of “illegal” plants. They didn’t breed crime, but took care of their communities for the good of all.

They didn’t pollute their properties or the watersheds; to the contrary, they were stewards of the land and worked to preserve the natural beauty of Humboldt county. These are the ones who have been shut out of the legal market and it’s a shame. These “OGs” built the legacy of Humboldt in high quality, all-natural marijuana and they should be allowed to continue with favorable terms to get permitted. Their marketing potential is enormous and would allow them to continue their lifestyles and support their communities, but the costs are not reasonable.

It surprises me that there is not a coalition there lobbying the County Government, as it seems to me they could find some sympathetic ears that would work with them. Though, it sounds like the time to do so is limited, since once the CEQA requirements take effect there is no way it could ever be done in an affordable or timely manner.

Me
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Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Marc

👍👍👍👍

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
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Thank you Marc for putting together a great comment something definitely needs to be done it seems that the controlling forces cannot hear the voice of reason thank you

Marc
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Marc
4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

I’m not so sure the controlling forces are deaf to reason. Case in point is OG Farmer’s comment below where he said he got help through the process from Fennell. I truly believe there is a path to get some relief from the county, but it will take a concerted and cooperative effort.

The real money from the legal market will come with the eventual federal legalization. I am in NC now and the Humboldt name is well known all over the east coast. Thus, the farmer’s that produce in the vein of small-batch craft breweries, but with the added benefit of a protected Humboldt organic brand will be able to name their own price due to limited quantities. This will only happen by keeping the small, sustainable farmers in the legal market. I find it hard to believe the Supervisors would not be able to see the benefit of this to the economy, environment and health of Humboldt County.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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/”This will only happen by keeping the small, sustainable farmers in the legal market.”/

~must need a 1-pager Psychology 101 for “”sustainable legal””.

Oh no, Marc, please don’t put sustainable and legal in the same sentence. Even tho you don’t know what sustainable means, and obviously not legal either. It’s bad mojo.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Marc She was helping him while extorting him at the same time I will help you through this permitting process the permit only cost $30,000 plus taxes and and fees the feds legalized marijuana corporations are in place for the takeover they already have many name brands and holdings on the stock market

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Joe dirt

~bye, Joe.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

~on a re-read. Never mind the above.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  Marc

I travel to NC as well and yes Humboldts name still carries weight on the street. Need more publicity on the fact well grown Humboldt herb does extremely well outside of California. Maybe we should start a trade embargo with California and not sell any of our herb in the state. Let em suck on that dry harsh Santa Cruz shit for a few years.

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

In the beginning Estelle Fennell said that she would protect the mom-and-pop Growers. There never was put a number square foot are plant number put in place what they’ve been saying for a while how is 6 plants maximum per parcel. Which is the same as California 18 and over 6 plant legal. No Road forward for legitimate legal Market for Mom and Pops and is one of the most often question that come up for years at every public meeting and still I haven’t heard a good answer from anyone not Estelle not John Ford and not your Sheriff honsal they have been asked many times at public meetings how 2.0 are any of these legal Avenues cost a lot of money and still you might not get permitted and will cost you yearly once you are in the permitted process you have to pay in whether you grow or not

What can we do?
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What can we do?
4 years ago
Reply to  M

Not typical of “grows”, typical of the ones they like to publicize busting. And certainly not typical of those who received these letters. Besides, do you see anyone arguing in the defense of large trespass grows?

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago

Yeah for sure.

These threatening letters aren’t for the trespass retards. No, they’re for legal landowners who need to work their own land. It’s like shooting fish inna barrel … if the satellite says weed on private the county says impound their land and push them into homelessness and poverty.

People can’t tolerate this treatment.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~the satellite. I don’t think its what it seems. I mean, why are there more mishaps than not? Why the national guard surveillance at fifty feet last summer, IFF the “satellite” is all that? Why are so many who are not growing the evil weed, getting notices?

System Failure.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Yes

All About Veggies
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All About Veggies
4 years ago

This is certainly a disheartening shot over the Bow, it’s hard to imagine anything other than economic hardship for a substantial number of county residents. Would have been equitable for more people if regs would have been adopted allowing gardens (not industrial operations) of say……..200’x200′ with minimal red tape. Probably would have helped keep prices up and offered small farms and legacy type growers an opportunity to keep their lives afloat. Are big huge mega operations really needed or wanted by the majority of county residents?

No doubt all this ended up this way due to greed and bad behavior/practices from too many for way too long but it’s sad the small farmers who didn’t participate in the crazy baller blow-it-up-bigtime approach end up getting the short end of the stick and effectively getting shut out.

Mrs. Baker
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Mrs. Baker
4 years ago

This is why I proposed the POOP! Time for a PooP Rally! Permit Out Of Poverty! For the old time back to the lander Legacy Growers who want to grow 10-20 lbs with a senior citizen no-hassle permit. Only requirement is that you were a land owner since 1990, & over 60 or 65 yrs old, and grow organically. No new Greenrushers allowed. One permit per senior! And give a co-op permit to a group who will test & purchase from us with no hassles! This creates an automatic market for Legacy Growers! The foundation of Humboldt Brand! FLOOD THE COUNTY with permit APPLICATIONS!! Enough is enough!

poopindeed
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poopindeed
4 years ago
Reply to  Mrs. Baker

Frig that. Land owners only? Over 60 only? What makes you so special in the world? So entitled? Are you the only one who suffers?

If someone has owned their own property since 1990 and grown pot on it then it’s paid for. Or certainly should be. if you need more money then maybe try renting out a small place for someone or a family to live on. Even in a tent. Something they can actually afford. If you haven’t noticed, some people are suffering terribly from low and very low wages. Especially the younger generations, of which I am not one of.

Try sharing.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Mrs. Baker

(a)pplication.

The only thing happening on planet Earth is contract. An application only has one signature on it yours! – hence, not a contract. No contract. No juris.

Stay away from no contract words, they’re usually hinged to fiction.

We don’t need no stinkin’ badches.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago

Where the heck was my warning letter, I got abated this summer for 996 square feet!!!!!!!!!!! No warning letter I had to leave Humboldt and move to Oregon

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

~oh, oopsie.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

How’d Oregon treat you this Year?

I was up there last month.

Green and Purple along the highway.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
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Amazing new property new life new faces new opportunities. Great geography, great music, great snowboarding, lots of hiking and Mountain biking. Got an abatement in June in willow creek, the next week found a new place outside of grants pass pulled 75 real quick out of a 25×60 amazing quality. Thought we were screwed when we got the abatement but now life is sweet up here in Josephine county. Quality of life so much better then Slumboldt!!!!

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

She is pretty…..Now burn her!!!

Shadow
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Shadow
4 years ago

NoLongerHumboldt……I’m over your constant complaining. You found a new place to be a Green Rusher at so how about stop playing the victim from what was a game you chose to play and lost and just move on. There our those of us that love Humboldt along with its problems. Your added bragging is quite a display of your lack of maturity

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
Reply to  Shadow

Maybe I shoulda bought a permit and sold out, then I wouldn’t be a greenrusher because I would be “legal” I would be an upstanding citizen paying for the eradication of small farms which were the backbone of this county for decades. Green rushers are people who come out and blow it up to make big bucks. I left a job where I was making more money to try to get back to the land and homestead sustainably and to grow organic cannabis because I was sick of the city. I had always wanted to grow medical mj in humboldt and told my parents that when I was 15. I knew about Humboldt from seeing photos of it on overgrow.com and cannabisworld.com before they got shut down by the Canadian government they were the biggest cannabis growing forums back then and thats where the ghost cut of OG originated. I grew my first plants @ 15 in the woods in PA. They sucked and hermed out on me. I am not a greenrusher I am someone who loves organic farming that wants to develop community and life outside the conventional matrix of the 9-5 work saga. I grow a modest amount and put all my love into it I use all organic composted super soil blends and activated aerated compost teas. Predatory mites and biological insecticides. I DONT clear cut I try and honor my neighbors and community by giving back. Believe it or not they’re are still craft farmers who actually grow small batch fire who dont want to sell out to the machine to be extorted and used up. I am not a greenrusher. And I am certainly not GREEDY.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago

All for the LOVE. And yes that pic above is outdoor

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

~yummer!

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Thanks that is Strawberries&Cream by exotic genetics got a prized pheno smells exactly like artificial strawberries and whipped cream!!!!!

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

ummm, please don’t take this the wrong way . . is there a chance that next season you could do Sativa and Indica? Even have some, oft in the narrow, w/seeds (gasp). Yes, think how extra-ordinary. ~smiles

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago

NoLongerHumboldt.

I think you’re right. This past Saturday I openly encouraged my 36 year old Grandson and family to move north of California. A young family can do better than this mess in CA.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

They should, its mellow up here absolutely no SoCal grow bros at all. Oregon isnt cool enough for them, and theres not enough ego up here for them. Ppl are so much nicer, everyone in Humboldt hates each other is always competing and theres this entitled attitude and superiority complex that all the grow bros and greenrushers have. Everyone is nice here and nobody stares at each other. Ppl are much happier in general its wild the difference is staggering. Why do ppl down in CA have to be so rotten to eachother!!!!! I dont get it.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago

It’s culturally challenged in So Or, being so far from anything. But it is beautiful country. Too many tweak jobs and junked cars in the yard for me though. I do love Taylor’s sausages tho…

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago

Thanks for being here and speaking up! ( Except yeah maybe want to keep the actual name of your new home on the dl…the hype follows the names and kills everything good!) I appreciate your spirit and your refusal to fund your neighbors’ destruction. Ironically your attitude is what built this county’s -Humboldt’s- countercultural communities and our reputation for world’s-best ganja. Then the greedy cowards and corporate boot- lickers took hold and now here we are ….Best of luck up there!! Like I tell my old GD friends- the magic doesn’t die, it just travels to new places…as the old places get overtaken by parasites and accountants.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
Reply to  Farce

I like that!!!!! And its no secret about so oregon. There’s only a few hundred ppl that read these comments most already know of Oregon.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

It’s exciting to be in a new place! Best of luck.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

Good works NLH! Essentially I also feel like part of blazing the new path of Canna is going to be keeping to the culture. The splendid difference’s and art craft involved in creating fine Cannabis are part of the equation! It’s seriously a shame, ‘Slumbolt’ (good one) has chosen to give the very visible government foot, instead of the invisible hand of the open market place! Part of what makes a place unique, is its culture, and intent! Oregon has chosen to continue on a path of a free and open market place, instead of instituting overly exhaustive measures. They are even advocating for export of thier crop. And they will probably thrive because of it. Good for them and good for you. That’s the whole idea around the concepts of an open market. The government doesn’t need to force the market, they just need to stop doing bad things to us inorder for it to thrive!

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
Reply to  SmallFry

Yeah I cant believe people on here actually believe humboldts economy will be fine without all the small farmers. Its unbelievable and ill wager that in 5 years some of these small towns will be gone. Especially alot of the ones way out in the hills built from untaxed cannabis money. I bet you entire blocks and sections of eureka’s store fronts will go vacant. Especially will brick and mortar stores already on the decline from companies like walmart and Amazon. Cannabis money was the only thing propping up Humboldt and saved it during the 2008 economic collapse. I dont understand how people can be so out of touch with reality. Also dont know how the anti cannabis ppl lump us all into one category as “greedy greenrushers”. There are good and bad players in both the legal realm and outlaw realm. Ppl may think im bragging on here but really Im just passionate and excited. I was diagnosed with high functioning autism as a teenager and before then was mis diagnosed my entire life growing up and was put on 8+ pharmaceuticals and it almost took my life from me. I was so overprescribed that I couldnt feel or think I was in a constant fog and wanted to die. My brain developed at a young age since 7 while on a those pharmaceuticals and probably did permanent damage. When I got off them @ 18 I gained my life back and since then I vowed to do ANYTHING I can to take profits away from these companies and I do that by providing an alternative medicine to those evil drugs, and every person who smokes a joint instead of popping pills hurts those companies and if I can provide a way to take profits from them I will.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

~i’m glad you shared your story of vaccine autism, and how great, after all those years, you were able to get off the man-made chemical drugs.

Thank you,NoLongerHumboldt for providing [alternative to evil], Mother Nature’s, back to basics, Nurture.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

Fo sure! It’s truely amazing how short sited the gov and the people have become in regards to this chapter of the “legalization” scam..The last time I drove thru Eureka it was really bad, the worst I have ever seen it.
There are good and bad players on both sides of this issue. And there are good and bad reasons to have some regulations.. But It’s too bad there has to be “sides” and such harsh and definitive lines drawin in the sand.. Estelle has coined herself as a candidate who can “reach” across these barriers to accomplish things.. Yeah right! She can just get lost!. She can’t even reach across the barriers of her own community to find solutions that can secure our future.. or our economy. What a posser, and a fraud! Such an ultimate failure and disgrace from Humboldt County! Yeah No thanks to Humboldt for significantly impairing and stifling much of the creative energy that could help pull the community thru this mess!

BOYCOTT HUMBOLDT SORCE BRANDS!

Anyhow, I sincerely appreciluv your enthusiasm NL! That’s the kind of spirit it’s gonna take to keep the industry going in positive directions! Your commentary doesn’t hit me as boastful, it strikes me as genuine! My family experienced simular circumstances! I tried everything to convince my family to stay away from the psychotropic pill pushers! It wasn’t me, but my sibling and I could see their suffering, something my parents didn’t want to understand. It was so much easier for them to administer the pills, and continue with their busy lives then to address the holistic changes that needed to be addressed. They aren’t bad people, but, I would say these pills were heavily pushed by doctors and schools! My siblings and I also found healing thru Cannabis, and holistic measures! So I can relate! Thankyou gratefully for Sharing your journey NL! Your efforts to take their profits is sincerely appreciLUVED! Lots Blessing your way!

Sorry folks
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Sorry folks
4 years ago

hooray and congratulations to the planning dept for singlehandedly decimating so hum and tiny legacy grows. you all must feel so good in that office 🤢.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

Does anyone know how the county will treat parcels in the permitting process that are actively cultivating while waiting for a decision on the permit?

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

They treat them as if they are following the guidelines in their site plans but everyone knows that the majority blow it up and sell on the black market till the county decides to look at them. It’s a joke.

Me
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Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

It says on the planning department website that absolutely no growing is allowed until the permit has been fully issued

Here’s a link

https://humboldtgov.org/DocumentCenter/View/64173/Cannabis-Cultivation-Update-June-26-2018

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them, Einstein.

Captain Crunch
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Captain Crunch
4 years ago
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Under 2.0?

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
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That’s my name brand “Captain Crunch” next thought quirks faster than the speed of light. Noseeums can’t catch them and they bite

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

Seems the Greenrush high of anything goes hasn’t worn off yet.
The past 10 years sure twisted some attitudes.
Gee wiz, how did anyone survive pre Greenrush ?
OMG, Humboldt will die !!
No folks, Humboldt will be back to normal in these post Greenrush years.
Adapt and survive. Or not. Your choice.
Gone is the heady free for all cash bonanza.
I hear there is a greenrush happening in Southern Oregon. Head north or grow your 6 plants and discover what your really made of without the easy money.
Good luck to everyone…

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
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Yeah right, prior to the green rush the american economy was much different aswell and other industries were booming that are now over regulated. Humboldt will look like Venezuela in 5 years.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

Whatever. Adapt and survive or move. There’s your choices.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
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Great response I did move and its great have fun living in a dilapidated economy and county. With satellites spying on you and Orwellian government.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

Good for you. Until Southern Oregon cracks down on their ongoing greenrush.

NoLongerHumboldt
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NoLongerHumboldt
4 years ago
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Untill then……. nothing is forever. I dont expect it to last forever.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago

Garberville is Venezuela! Been there lately?

The Mexican cartel
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The Mexican cartel
4 years ago

Yes I hear that Garberville and Redway have no toilet paper just like Venezuela and people are trying to poop butt can’t clean it up

hmm
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hmm
4 years ago
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Things cant go back to the way they were before the green rush because the fishery is depleted, the forest have like 3% old growth left, and the eye in the sky is so far beyond CAMP helicopters that they’re not comparable. This community came up with a third choice when we faced similar situations in the past. Hopefully with the right supervisors and sheriff, we can preserve smaller grows.

OG farmer
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OG farmer
4 years ago

A big part of the “problem “ has been these very expensive but unqualified consultants that jumped into the game to make money off of us. I’ll tell you what was expensive (money wise and time wise) was my family going to local attorney “consultant” who promised to get us through the process and get our permit (6,000sq ft) He charged 500 bucks an hour , strung us along and tens of thousands of bucks later still no permit because he didn’t know what he was doing. this is a very common story. We had to scramble and find someone else, who ended up charging a fraction of what we were paying plus supervisor Fennell also helped us through the whole process.And now we have our permit, no thanks to that original consultant.
These “consultants” that have failed to come thru for their clients are now blaming the County.
We are a small og family farm of 4 people and we’ve been growing craft weed for 30 years, but now we’re ebracing our right to grow legally.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
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I agree, I’ve heard of some lousy consultants.

kelley
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kelley
4 years ago
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OG Farmer. You say “We had to scramble and find someone else, who ended up charging a fraction of what we were paying plus supervisor Fennell”
So clearly you see that there are crooks and honest people in every field.
The people i spoke to are in the honest and reputable catrgory. Please don’t besmirch people who are helping us understand what is happening on the ground.

Hung out to dry
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Hung out to dry
4 years ago
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I paid thousands to AgDynamix to help me get a permit. They constantly had incorrect information making it’s way into my applications. Told me incorrect information frequently. Every time I thought I was getting close, I would suddenly need more info or another form that wasn’t mentioned or was overlooked in our last meeting. They fumbled the ball again last spring, and I finished applying for and got my permit on my own.

Leo's should start policing themselves
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Leo's should start policing themselves
4 years ago

The residents should write a letter back saying, And we see that you suck… Why mess with people that are only growing like 20-30 plants? This shit still blows my mind. Black Markets Matter.

Leo's should start policing themselves
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Leo's should start policing themselves
4 years ago

And I still love veggies. Google Earth isn’t the “end all be all”..

Guest
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4 years ago

Does anyone have any idea how the county will handle grows in the permitting process that are actively cultivating while waiting for the license approval. (without current county and state licensed, but in the process)

Me
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Me
4 years ago
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Anonymous 9
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Anonymous 9
4 years ago

I got one of those stupid letters. There hasn’t been any cultivation on that property in two years. Total morons at the planning department. I’m going to in and tell them that in person.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~i’d like to witness – what time and what day?

Anonymous 9
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Anonymous 9
4 years ago
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Thursday, 10 AM, be there or be square. Just joking, I’ll go in there and be very polite like when I got one of those water board letters alleging there was growing occurring (when there clearly wasn’t any on the satellite photos they provided).

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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“very polite”. Crapola, why not just turn in any arms you may have laying around?

At the very least, be holding a noose. Look mean. Growl. Talk loud.

Having fun on the way to it, is the reason for it. I’m available for coaching :-0

Joe dirt
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Joe dirt
4 years ago
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Would you like the press to be there are a attorney

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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NCJ wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. Attorneys give me the fan todds. (if you were asking me, that’s what i’d say)

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
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Yea, I know a few who ain’t grown for a few years and got letters. They need to disclose their method of determination cause it seems to be a violation of due process. They are saying you are guilty and have to prove your innocence does not seem to be right. The way in which they determine your guilt seems a violation of the search and seizure laws. Guess we are gonna find out cause a few I know ain’t happy.

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago
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I would like to know if anybody has started a lawsuit – or a class action lawsuit- against the Planning Department? It seems the best way forward. Ed Denson? CLMP ( Civil Liberties Monitoring Project)? We used to have institutions here that would stand up against such governmental abuse. These extreme fines threatened under the cloak of “civil fines” while using ambiguous and often false evidence is ….disgusting, oppressive and truly anti-American. I suspect many in the Planning Department know their evidence is questionable but proceed anyways and I would like to see them held personally accountable under racketeering laws.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~round and round we go on this, returning to the beginning…if we want it done right, we gotta do it. It’s a do-it-yourself gig. Do you really think that Ed Denson or Civil Liberties (what ever that is) Monitoring Project has the ability to usher in the free market? Doubtful. Who, and only who, has that ability? We, the People. There ain’t no getting around it. Are there more pressing disturbances? Yes. But this at least is a topic the commenters in here are most familiar with. A firm stand on Terra Firma!

“If people let the government decide for them what food they eat and what medicine they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as the souls who live under tyranny.” Jefferson

“The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object.” Jefferson

Even if we’re aluminum-spun-out by 2025, at least we’ll go down in a vertical position.

There’s a People’s Republic meeting this eve @7 in Fortuna at the River Lodge. Gene, an X-Marine, gives the presentation. He’ serious.

Come if you can.

☭
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4 years ago

Time to move far away.

Please Check One
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Please Check One
4 years ago
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Oh man, you got that right…though looking at your hammer and sickle, I doubt very much that we will be neighbors.

FFS
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FFS
4 years ago

Heavens to Betsy people, the change has HAPPENED ! It’s been 3 years since the voters votedthis in and 3 years since the state handed down their regs to the counties to implement.
NO county can relax or loosen state cannabis regs. When the county issues a cannabis permit, it has to meet state standards, otherwise the county permit will be rejected by the state when that farmer goes to get their state license. You see this a lot in other counties rubber stamping growers permits just to have that poor farmer then go try and get their state permit and have it rejected because it was not meeting state standards.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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Yeah,sure.

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago
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Not in Trinity County! The county continues to accept fees from countt- permitted grows that everybody knows will never meet state standards or acquire state permits. Witness Trinity Pines with permitted grows trucking in water and using portable toilets! The state eradication units drove right past them last year. There is unequal application of policies with backroom arrangements being the norm. It’s all very corrupt. That’s why we have no trust of government!

Reality
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Reality
4 years ago

OH god yes ,finally. Six plants is plenty. Time to go to work, love it. What a beautiful day.

Me
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4 years ago
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Again… for the tenth time …. 100 square ft of canopy … meaning 10×10 or 1 and a half full term seed plants…. a joke.

Mumbo humboldt
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Mumbo humboldt
4 years ago
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For the 10th time: that 100sq ft canopy (which has a formula) limit is for parcel under 1 acres.

Humboldt county has no square footage limits on parcels over 5acre.

Planning has stated that . And sheriff H did so on a KMUD interview as well.

Me
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4 years ago
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The article is about letter sent to small farms presumably under 1 acre in places like redway where a lot of people got letters for their backyard grow. Parcels between 1-5 acres are allowed 200 square ft .

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago
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The letters went to 40-60 acre plus homesteads in honeydew . Where else?

Me
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Me
4 years ago
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Redway, garberville, Myers flat , shelter cove, rio dell … shall i go on ?

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago
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… willow creek….

Anonymous 9
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Anonymous 9
4 years ago
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Ettersburg

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~you cut off the /Cultivation; means the/

How, oh how will i ever know what cultivation means? Drats!

“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!”
–Samuel Adams

“Terrorism” means A System of Government that seeks to rule by intimidation.”
Funk and Wagnall’s New Practical Standard Dictionary (1946).

“Ignorance of the law does not excuse misconduct in anyone, least of all in a sworn officer of the law.”
In re McCowan (1917), 177 C. 93, 179P. 1100.

Reality
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Reality
4 years ago
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Seven pounds still plenty. Stoked.

Me
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Me
4 years ago
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It’s been that way for the last two years. You new in town?

Mumbo humboldt
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Mumbo humboldt
4 years ago

Square footage canopy formula

Not in the bizz
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Not in the bizz
4 years ago

I’m not a grower, just a 45 year resident and landowner of humboldt; professiona, l always well paid, now mostly retired. Mostly smoke humboldt bud after the few surgeries ive had cuz it beats the hell out of vicodin or percocet. None of this will affect me or my income at all. Who it will affect Are my friends, neighbors, several of my children, the bulk of really fine people and citizens who, unlike myself with my big professional paycheck, supplemented their income with a few plants. The folks im thinkin of really do not have an extra 40K to play the permit lottery with. Not greenrushers, not tacoma driving, pitbull owning, not tattooed kids from elsewhere. (I regret voting for gallegos years back).

IDEA: How bout a big fat public showing of support, a rally, a march, a protest, for the true old school mom n pop (25-50 plant range for decades, never needed to go bigger cuz the priority was a good life, not the dollar.) Id venture huge amounts of humboldt residents, as in professionals, teachers, medical people, mechanics, retail clerks, etc. etc would SHOW UP for a huge march or rally or such.

I remember years ago when an LP gas facility was proposed for humboldt bay. THOUSANDS of people showed up for the hearing ( was it at the vets building?) in eureka against it . The proposal was immediately dropped. That was a private company from outside, and this issue is our own- supes were voted in, so different dynamics.

Maybe im just livin in the humboldt past, cuz it sure is a changed place, but i hate to lose the decades old backbone of this wonderful magical place that has provided such a good life- many of the folks i speak of are from logging and fishing families who grew to stay here when those ended.

It also seems stupid to throw the well- earned humboldt bud reputation in to the wastebasket- duh! Just a thought worth offering.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

~very nice.

Mrs. Baker
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Mrs. Baker
4 years ago

Not in the Biz- Did you read the POOP letter? (November 9)A totally simplified, easily implemented proposal that bring the very folks you are speaking of a Premit Out Of Poverty , in the very way you are saying! TIME FOR A POOP RALLY! Threatening 10,000/day fines is pretty intimidating. I can’t understand why the supervisors want to push Humco into dilapidation& make it a welfare county, when we could easily be elevated to a stable& sustainable economy. LET MY PEOPLE GROW!

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago

Not in the bizz- Well said! It’s not only about weed – it’s about our community! ( note- I have a Tacoma and a pitbull. She’s a rescue from an abandoned grow scene, very sweet and a good dog. And Tacoma’s are reliable light-duty trucks w/ decent gas mileage!) Been around here 40 years staying small and I concur w/ almost everything you said.

Nonya business
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Nonya business
4 years ago

I have a 400 SQFT medical garden with with four medical recommendations and a prop 215 collective. I got the letter! How is a very small medical collective that makes no profit suppose to pay outrageous penalties or go legal. Maybe not all these letters are bullshit but the one to my property is! F*#@ Humboldt county and F*#@ Prop 64

JB
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JB
4 years ago
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Of course you got a letter — collectives are no longer legal in CA. You’re almost a year behind

https://www.citywatchla.com/index.php/420-file-news-2-views/16825-ca-cannabis-collective-law-to-sunset-on-january-9-2019

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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`

Anon
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Anon
4 years ago
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And the waterboard allows 500sqft for medical…(with proper exempt or permitted water situation)

Who’s in charge!
&Why?

Free the herb!

JB
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JB
4 years ago
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The waterboard does not make the cannabis rules. They only make the watering of cannabis rules.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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//”Who’s in charge!”//

Who’s on first?

Oh, i didn’t see the why? part. In a single word, belief. Belief in external authority. T.H.E.Y. have our names and numbers, the least we should demand are names and numbers – Bond # filed into the public record to cover their lie-ability when bad decisions are made.

Certified copy of Oath – to THE LAND JURIS, not Oz.

Spanish Welfare
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Spanish Welfare
4 years ago

Humboldt County reveals how to make 12,000 into 1000, and probably how to make 136,000 into 30,000 or so…

Well, there’s always Salinas, Kern, Santa Barbara, Butte, Sierra, Modoc, Sutter, Lake etc… Fine weed grows everywhere, so dig up those Krugerrands and haul ass for somewheres else, leaving Humboldt a fetid mess, like we always knew you would…

Face it. Not everyone is supposed to grow marijuana! Except in Oregon.

Me
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Me
4 years ago

People will probably just fire up the 50kw and do indoor again. A lot of people like to entertain the idea of moving elsewhere yet most never do. Should be interesting

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago

They don’t grow marijuana in Oregon. They grow dirt hemp by the acres. I have friends who are doing it. No federal cap. Grow it like corn.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

Billy we didn’t hide tail and run in the 80s sure the fuck ain’t gonna do it now. Just grow Humboldt, adapt, adjust and grow. Google earth is a great tool, use it. Shows angle of photos and dates and times. You can determine good locations to grow and keep outta popo’s sight.

Best line used when confronting planning department. “Those are not mature plants, prove it. You better have your shit together cause I am gonna make you prove it in a court of law.”

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
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I like this, Mr Lettuce! I would be proud to be your student, smoke your weed, if I did that.
Upon reflection, I realize that the best thing to do is not grow less or leave, it’s grow the damn stuff on every square inch of the county!
Plant weed everywhere! Then let’s see them “regulate” it!
Yeah! Overall, a better response…
Thanks for the wake up, LL! You definitely missed your calling, and should be Commisar of HC Agricultural Concerns…

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

Billy, fess up . . . are you Dane Wigington, today? You’ve got that Spanish ending that makes me suspicious.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
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No entiendo, Senora!

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

Central is here to mess up threads.

She is currently upset about this;

https://kymkemp.com/2019/11/03/are-vaccines-really-as-safe-and-effective-as-weve-been-told-asks-documentary/#comment-885033

It’s a saga, and not a short one. Apologies in advance regarding the twisted nature of what I’m commenting on.

But try to read it to know more about Central, and another here.

Guest
Guest
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4 years ago
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Somebody Should get Mr. Wig on the phone to put an end to this witchhunt.

How did this become about him, after all?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~i’m not taking any more questions. It’s Wednesday. (i can’t help myself here)

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

Chop your own wood. You are welcome, anytime. Pull over at the bridge past Ruth Airport I will spot ya, lol

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
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Yep. Adapt and survive. It’s been my motto all along. Cheers!!

Found 'em on Craigslist
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Found 'em on Craigslist
4 years ago
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Can someone plz start a business advising others and installing best guerilla grow set ups?

Some young, brigh,t strong bucks could make a buck.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

lol, lazy ass, go to a local bar and find your master like they used to or start dating his/her daughter like I did. If ya take the daughter approach I highly recommend meeting the parents first. Don’t get caught meeting them the first time like I did with my pants down. Gettin salt rock shot at your ass ain’t fun.

The chad
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The chad
4 years ago

Had code enforcement at my house over 100 sq ft based on anonymous complaint. 6 plants and they still told me to chop it down because it was too close to neighbors property. Anonymous complaints seem very much like gestapo tactics. Had a crazy ex gf that like to call the cops for revenge on her exes. Doesn’t seem fair to have code enforcement acting on anonymous complaints

Festus Haggins
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Festus Haggins
4 years ago

Word on the street is that property values are going to tank soon in the Humboldt area, all the greenrushers that were paying top $$$ for shit property’s are heading to GREENER pastures. If I were one of you guys I would sell out soon while the price is up and get out of this area with a couple of bucks in your pocket.

Ivan B Nobody
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Ivan B Nobody
4 years ago

It seems to me the B.O.S. did *Nothing* to promote cannabis production, quite the opposite, they let the ‘Code-Boys’ in, the water board, and every other form of restriction and bogus pre-tax they could think up. Meanwhile other more progressive counties have stolen the Cannabis thunder, while we are left with a shambles of a market and over strict overlords in the B.O.S. 🙁 Estelle Fennell … I do not see you being re-elected, between the 40% drop-off in business, the 5X increase in homeless, the 10X increase in crime, and your monumentally stupid ‘Abatements’! “Live Free or Die” said my ancestors….Let the Weed Go Free!

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan B Nobody

Code Enforcement receives complaints then checks you out on satellite. They don’t just show up. Maybe your neighbors didn’t like the smell, there is a Smell Ordinance. Not everyone enjoys the constant smell of someone’s weed wafting into their homes and yards, Any more than they want to hear generators or see lit up greenhouses.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
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The BOS and Planning Dept set policy.
Code Enforcement enforces that policy.
Code Enforcement does not set policy, construct ordinances, zones or rules.
They are the Enforcement arm of the planning Dept and BOS.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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Policy is not law.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

Actually, I think that if one has say a bed of tightly packed tomatoes or say green peppers, its probably next to impossible to tell the difference from A satellite that it’s actually cannabis or not. It’s the old school style of multiples of large plants that or the new style of GH that is easy to spot from Google Spy networks, at least that is my take. How is the county truely to differentiate? The BOS is FOS!
The new 2.0 still seems overly complex and unaffordable! They may have simplified it slightly, but it says nothing about making the program more accessible or affordable..

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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/” its probably next to impossible to tell the difference from A satellite “/

This be today’s hot spot – satellites. To be, or not … that is the question.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

This mom and pop thing is ridiculous. The big boy outlaws are blowing up the huge indoor scenes (ask any freelance electrician) and here we are ruining some old lady’s life. I can’t count how many huge genny’s I’ve seen being towed behind grow dozers this fall. Heading to the hills getting ready for those power outages.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
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Low hanging fruit

Jonny b good
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Jonny b good
4 years ago
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Some of those giant generators are going to huge mix lite permitted grows 24-7 year round and are used daily to supplement lights in giant greenhouses the new cartel Style armed guards massive grating all legal.

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago
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True! People are saying that these tactics will lead us back to huge diesel grows? Well…they already have. But let’s harass people with 30 plants and shut them down. Because they are the bad black market criminals who didn’t pay off the county. Bad bad bad people!! The juggernaut that is the John Ford show must roll on and continue justifying it’s existence and pay that bill for the satellite software company! And make the “legal” sell-out permit cowards feel like they did the right thing…by contributing to their neighbors’ eradication and such. It gets funny and weird once you start doing dishonest and unethical things like that….We should have stuck together and negotiated a better deal for all of us. Instead y’all had to selfishly get so divisive by getting permits!…It’s going to get very, very ugly around here next year.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Farce

~satellite. And a bill for the satellite software company.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

I’m very sure in this instance it was a plane

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~oh Guest, damnit, quit diverting, and give us your thoughts. Tell us something!

Do satellites exist? Its a yes or no question.

ALMOST
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ALMOST
3 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Tribals only..roll numbers out…got one..then no grow..sound fair…

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Not to be. I saw the plane flying grid patterns and so did others. They did it in the middle of September.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~and your conclusion is? Satellites Yes? Or, No?

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
4 years ago
Reply to  SmallFry

And you must have 100% solar.

gunther
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gunther
4 years ago

Sending out 470 letters (it should have been 420) in November was kind of pointless. If you got a letter, get in contact with them and claim you quit growing. Next Spring get back after it. Then next November get another letter. Why didn’t they send the letters out in June? They clearly waited until after harvest because they can’t deal with any of it.

kelley
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kelley
4 years ago
Reply to  gunther

They would say they sent them in november for two reasons.
First, ts before the December deadline to give people encouragement to enroll in 2.0
And secondly, to put anyone cultivating commercially further reason to believe they could see an actual abatement in a future growing season.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  kelley

~really one reason. Different page, different day, but same reason.

F.E.A.R. False evidence appearing real. Based on fear. Say it, kelley, i know you’ve got it in you 😀

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago

Honestly, I think it’s the un-permitted structures, that are going to cause folks the real problems…

The County wants their whack, and everywhere else, a sewer pipe installed or a shack built, requires a permit, and these things are not cheap…

Sutter County, to break the street and put in a new sewer pipe, $8000 for the permit, and the plumber was $4000…

Humboldt has lost significant income from a lack of building permitting, and the marijuana farming permit is just another form of taxation in a broke county…

DonKillMe
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DonKillMe
4 years ago

Am I crazy, or is this program in violation of the 4th amendment right to privacy? No search and seizure is legal without probably cause, and/or a warrant, meaning the abatement program is illegal because it annuls the due process of law. Having Cannabis become a controlled substance doesn’t give the state or county the right to behave like a mafia cartel.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  DonKillMe

No, Don, you’re not crazy . . . and our numbers are growing.

Word has it that we’re going to storm the castle walls Tuesday, and tell the powers that were (PTW) to shove their abatements.

I figure if the people up in Arcata can shut-down a so-called Public Meeting (minus any Rules of Order, Ethics and Minutes), we (you/me/us), should be able to handle this w/out breaking a sweat. But then, if Not-In-The-Republic Billy gets wind of this, he just may break out w/the National Guard :-O

john
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john
4 years ago

Very interesting comments. Unfortunately, or not; the more people, the more laws. No way around that at all.
I read many comments as coming from a singular standpoint: ‘my land, my rights, my livelyhood’, etc. etc.
And of course the opposite views of: ‘shoulda prepared, pay your taxes, it’s for the better’ etc. etc.
Bottom line is nothing lasts forever. As well, I believe that respecting the land as a place to live and grow your own food, have a well, solar even, and raise a family, is more important than treating the place as a ‘pot to cash’ establishment where the landowners do as they please with little to no oversight.
I think it disingenuous to believe you can make an honest living off your land legally, yet also believe rules, regulations, and the money and resources it takes to keep everyone safe and secure in the process be of no concern to you personally.
I know a couple growers who got out, are now paying their ‘share’ and are also profitable enough to stay sane.
Again, the solitary growers’ days of absolute freedom with NO representation are OVER.
More people, more laws. You want less laws you gotta go where there are fewer people.
I am in no way condoning ANY corruptions whatsoever that are being ignored at large. That is in and of itself the greater problem. You could easily surmise if the border wasn’t so easily bypassed, you’d probably have lasted longer. Who the hell knows really but God above.

Jonny b good
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4 years ago
Reply to  john

John Ford is that you

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Jonny b good

~you’re right in questioning ..John Ford, is that you?

/” where the landowners do as they please with little to no oversight.”/

Damn landowners!

/”Again, the solitary growers’ days of absolute freedom with NO representation are OVER.”/

AS IF, there’s ANY representation goin on now. WTH is he trying to say?

/”More people, more laws”/ repeat.

Yep, it’s ol John Ford from San Diego, dumber than a doorknob.

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3 years ago
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Tribal cards can grow only?????for reals that is the new law give the power of the plant and land it grows on back to tribals???let me know the tribal member willing to take back what i lost..my land is gone..i have none..

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2s4u
4 years ago

They can’t even sell their legal weed.

“After adjusting for population, the Golden State raised the second-least amount of revenue from cannabis taxes during the second quarter among states with legal sales, ahead of only Massachusetts,” according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.

They blame the black market. That’s a total fabrication. In true California fashion they have over taxed the growers and buyers. Just get out of the way and let their legal system keep flopping. Once the buzz is over and they have realized the money simply isn’t there as they had hoped , they’ll go exploit some other resource.

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4 years ago
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DIY is the fastest and soon the largest brand in Cali. Just Do It Yourself It.

2s4u
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4 years ago
Reply to  diy bob

Totally agree!

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3 years ago
Reply to  2s4u

Tribals can grow only act…lol…trubal card rill #????

Rod Gass
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4 years ago

John, you’ve got the ringer.

“Again, the solitary growers’ days of absolute freedom with NO representation are OVER.”

These ain’t the good ol’ days anymore when you’re old enough to have lived in the days of absolute freedom. I do miss that. Gone forever I suppose.

When there weren’t so many of us, I did exercise my freedoms more than now.

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4 years ago
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4 years ago

Had my meeting took nearly a month just to be handed a piece of paper that has about 40 things to do before I can even fill out the application because all incomplete applications will be denied there is no possible way of getting everything done by December 31st this is another hoax to try and save your vote my suggestion is 2 go ahead and try but I will make a bet that you will be denied, John Ford says it is not a daunting task anybody can do it well unfortunately he is dead wrong I am not allowed to engineer my own septic system and many many other things on the list , so scroll back up look at their requirements and see if you can do that in the next 50 days , the only way to get this to change is to go see your supervisor then explain your situation and have her change the ordinance

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3 years ago

Yah i say tribals only to..roll numbers out..got yours???????faxk you…

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Drkhipy
4 years ago

I’d like to know why the consultants are claiming it will be 30-40K for a county permit. I would like to see an actual break down of the costs for all of the permits. Without the consultant fees. If a small farmer gets their county permit that is only one step. They still need to go through all of the other permitting process. The concern about the summer steelhead being listed is valid. The CEQA process is very long if you have the ability to get your permit in before December 31, do it but remember there is a lot more hoops to jump through than just the county permit.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Drkhipy

Tribals only? Yah thats what i said..where your roll number…you. got one..a roll # bet not…wheres it at…yoyr friends got one??????

chris
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4 years ago

They left a notice,and told them it was worth nothing? I have never seen so many comments.

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3 years ago
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What if tribal cards could grow pot only? What would you say about that comment..?