‘Are Vaccines Really As Safe and Effective As We’ve Been Told?’ Asks Documentary

This is a press release from a registered nurse/mother:

Vaxxed II, The People’s Truth is being released on Wednesday, November 13th @ 7:00 p.m. If enough people buy tickets this documentary will be shown locally in Humboldt.

Vaxxed II is about a group of people that travel over 50,000 miles in the USA and around the world, explaining facts about vaccines that are being hidden from the public. Interviews of parents and doctors with nothing to gain and everything to lose expose the vaccine injury epidemic and ask the question on every parent’s mind, “Are vaccines really as safe and effective as we’ve been told?”

According to the Health Resources and Services Administration, Vaccine Court has paid over $4B in the United States to parents who have won vaccine-injury claims.  But the so-called Vaccine Courts are difficult to navigate and the odds are stacked against parents.

Now, with mandatory vaccines implemented in California and a new law passed in September severely limiting medical exemptions, it’s becoming more and more difficult to get our doctors to explain the very real side effects of vaccines, especially for babies.

As a registered nurse and mother, I feel like everyone has the right to know that vaccines not only have benefits but risks as well, which is why I will be attending Vaxxed II, The People’s Truth.

Be aware, the screening location isn’t disclosed until the date is imminent because locations have been shut down in the past – a form of censorship.

Please be a part of this event and stand in solidarity for those of us seeking the truth.

Ticket link below:

https://gathr.us/screening/30727

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Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago

Why the fuck are you publicizing this shit?

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

because there’s a need for alternative viewPoints.

Dr Sherri Tenpenny

you have much to learn my friend.

just look at the damage done In the name of health.

like the loss of life….

IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM.

if you really believe that they want to keep the world population healthy and growing, you might have missed that depopulation lecture given in a few small rooms in front of people who actually believe that we need to start the soft kill program.

no conspiracies, just what happens when Corporations have AI waiting in the wings.

and you thought this transgender movement was about people.

it’s about creating a 3rd gender.
so that the government can still collect taxes in Labor performed by AI.

CATHERINE AUSTIN FITTS and the SOLARI report will get you up to speed on what people on positions of power are thinking about.

keeping it real

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Tenpenny is a fraud though

Jesus, Chris
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Jesus, Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

Well. This is what religion does for you.

Guess what? Polio, was real. I knew persons who had it. You can fear Polio, but you shouldn’t ignore it! Dying of Polio, suffering from Polio, is no joke! Don’t risk it, don’t risk your children’s health, their lives!

Good people spent their lives, to conquer these diseases! Entire careers were spent by virologists, physicians, good religious people, so we could live without the threat of diseases like Polio!

Ignorance and fear can’t win! You can go hide, somewhere, and perform your festive rituals, but you can’t hide from your children dying of preventable diseases. Good idea not to disclose the location of this commie abortion, especially in Northern Humboldt!

Honestly, every time this discussion come up on this blog, I am amazed by the crazy talk from the religious right, the cults of insulated nutcase, barefoot backwoods hicks….

Get real! Nobody believes this anti-vax garbage, and, while it stimulates many unhinged comments, I believe it is presented here in hopes of educating the mentally ill, the drug-addicted, and the extremely ignorant who happen to have children, and some of whom, apparently, got nursing licenses, allegedly…

Ignorant folk can go to Junior College and become nurses, but, somewhere along the line they need to learn ethical and professional behavior! Grow up dear, you are in the wrong field…

LOVE YOUR CHILDREN! DON’T LET THEM DIE FROM PREVENTABLE DISEASE!

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

there’s much to say about LOVE, When it causes pain and suffering, regardless of what you hold to be the truth, it will never be my truth.

we’ve plenty of excuses for bad parenting, bad behavior and a degradation of society that will weaponize language to the point where people may never find equanimity nor stasis.

many people have become by products of their former selves and look foolish feeding off the corporate -government teet.

may we all experience health, in our natural state, not sacrificing our children at the altar of convenience or ignorance, regardless of your political, religious orientation.

your mind is ruled by an ancient form of servitude, think outside the box….

many people can’t handle the truth.

it’s right out in the open, we are still blind to our slave mindset.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
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Carl Clouse
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Carl Clouse
4 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

Ignorant Folk! Speak for yourself I have not been to the doctor in six years and I have yet to have a cold and I’m 52. I was married to an RN for 17 years she pumped every prescription drug known to man down me. Oh wonder my son’s autistic from your fucking vaccines you people make me sick literally sick that’s all that makes me sick Bill Gates is is in the population reduction [edit] he thrives on people like you

Alfonzo
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3 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

Dear Old Pal,
60 cases of Polio were cured in the ‘50’s by Dr. Frederick Klenner and he didn’t use vaccinations!
Please take a moment out of your busy schedule and look it up.
Thanks.
Al

coup63
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coup63
3 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

Ignorant folk might want to see that children don’t die from this virus!

Jesus, Chris
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Jesus, Chris
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

Well. This is what religion does for you.

Ignorance and fear can’t win! You can go hide, somewhere, and perform your festive rituals, but you can’t hide from your children dying of preventable diseases.

Honestly, every time this discussion come up on this blog, I am amazed by the crazy talk from the religious right, the cults of insulated nutcase, barefoot backwoods hicks….

Get real! Nobody believes this anti-vax garbage, and, while it stimulates many unhinged comments, I believe it is presented here in hopes of educating the mentally ill, the drug-addicted, and the extremely ignorant who happen to have children.

LOVE YOUR CHILDREN! DON’T LET THEM DIE FROM PREVENTABLE DISEASE!

Taurusballzhoff
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Taurusballzhoff
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Anyone who believes that the government wants to practice eugenics should consider the idea that anti-vaxers may be trying to kill your offspring, to de-populate the country of ignorant, religious backwoods types who have constellations of pervasive and universal fears…

I just hope there are “RN’s” with vaccines at the Southern Borders, waiting to vaccinate the meek and poor, who are coming to take the places of your children, after your children have been exterminated by wholly preventable diseases!

If you think these thoughts are sick, consider your viewpoint that vaccines are evil!

Also, I probably believe that evil filmmakers seek to profit from fearful and ignorant folks, everywhere. Lets see, millions of ignorant, fearful and weirdly religious types, at $15/head, that’s serious money!

Back in the Cold-War, this was called “Propaganda”, and the practice was reviled by good Americans!

If the medical establishment, and the government could be persuaded that vaccines were harmful, or were used with malicious intent, vaccines would be banned! Heck, have you tried to get your Oxy-Contin prescription renewed, lately?

A person, however ignorant, can go to Junior College, and end up a Medical Professional. For God’s sake, there are extremely crazy people, drug addicts, sex criminals and alcoholics in every medical department, and I have met many of them! In Humboldt, especially!

Shoot, I met a doctor, in Garberville, who went to Law School, so he could sue the USA, because he didn’t want his daughter to have to say the “Pledge of Allegiance” in school! Really, I couldn’t have made this up! I think he won his case, too!

Best of luck, for the person posting this item, in concealing the fact that she is not appropriate for her role in nursing, whatever it is, and she should be concerned with her future, or any future at all, in healthcare, if her dangerous point of view is revealed in public…

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

Dr. Jonas Salk was a member of the American Eugenics Society. John D. Rockefeller III, was a life-long advocate of eugenics. Eugenics in America: The Legacy of Sanger and Gates https://www.catholicstand.com/eugenics-in-america/

~the take down of pro-life web sites while parents who refuse to have their children injected with a probable death serum, so they can attend the Public Fool System, are being forced to watch a B.S. “Herd Immunity” film and sign corporation forms, is the coincidence we should all be paying attention to. THIS IS THE NEWS. If we miss this one we are likely to be destroyed. Anyone who is with it ought to know about Satan’s puppets plan for global depopulation and the establishment of compact slave cities that can be managed with ease. What better way could there be to manage a massive depopulation than a fake outbreak, with the real disease being in mandated shots, peddled as vaccines that are supposed to protect? You can bet the soulless do not want to actually release something that could kill them in the form of a real outbreak.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

CH: You are a prize… Congratulations! 100 points! Completely over the top!

Great comment. Exemplary. A new standard!

You are right! No need to comment further…

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

I’m guessing that you weren’t in skull n bones or any other secret societies that pledge to a different god.

you don’t have to agree with it.

you don’t have to like it.

you can continue to believe as you wish, but there is enough information for those to make the right choices, instead of blindly following anyone else’s words or belief system.

do what’s right for you and yours.

my body , my rules

MY FAMILY, MY JURISDICTION.

YOU CROSS THAT LINE, YOU HAD BETTER prepare for the consequences.

informed consent, not forced medication.

that’s why we killed the NAZIS.

GET IT?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

~are we reading the same comment?

Spanish Welfare
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Spanish Welfare
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

I think Mr “Nazi Killer” above needs to realize, that if he wants to die of preventable disease, well it’s OK with me. Personal Choice, hey, why not?

Your children are another matter! Innocent children can’t make choices, but, they are not your property!

Children rely on their parents, or at least, responsible people, to make the choices which will protect them! Would you let your child jump into the campfire?

Make an effort to protect your children! Like Dr Chang said: “Don’t be a fool!”

The Nazis exterminated millions of their citizens and neighbors. And their children.

Not really the same thing…

If your kid gets Tetanus, somebody, not you, will have to care for them, and I am pretty sure you will be waving your Medi-Cal card! One small inoculation is WAY cheaper, and would prevent a great amount of suffering and possible death.

[edit]

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0222/Parents-can-t-sue-drug-firms-when-vaccines-cause-harm-Supreme-Court-says

I’ll take a strong immune system over the weak and feeble minded that push their lack of dignity and self respect.

Ift there’s no accountability for the manufacturers, then your whole argument doesn’t address the issue with why you can’t tell a parent they have to gamble with the poison, just so you can feel better about yourself.

if you want to put up a bond for every child injured and in need of life long care, which had been reported to be over a million, then you can be responsible for injuring a perfectly healthy child.

put your money where your pro vaccine agenda is, or STFU with your preaching.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0222/Parents-can-t-sue-drug-firms-when-vaccines-cause-harm-Supreme-Court-says

I’m not holding my breath that you can afford to pay for a vaccine injured child.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

teaching kids to be responsible and accountable for their words, and actions.

teaching them to be self critical, to ask the difficult questions, inspire them to do the research,

help them understand the hypocrisy of

do as I say, not as I do

helping them
to keep the magic alive, but also teach them the darker aspects of history that humans have done some horrible things in the name of the greater good.

we may have a different working definition of health and freedom, but there is far too much crap sold as food to ignore the blind pursuit of profit by any means necessary.

Clean up the vaccines and hold the manufacturers liable for their products, then we can have a discussion about why being accountable and responsible isn’t just for billion dollar corporations anymore.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

Coming from you, Billy, i’ll take that as an extra-nice compliment.

Muchas gracias

Spanish Welfare
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Spanish Welfare
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

No hay de que, Senora…

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
4 years ago

Yeah, this lady is whack. It’d be nice if Nurse Measles would tell us if she works at a local hospital and which shift I should avoid..

Spanish Welfare
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Spanish Welfare
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

At Humboldt County Healthcare Facility, no matter which one, you should avoid all shifts, permenantly… With the exception of Potowat, and Kimaw…

There is not one hospital in Humboldt County I would be a patient within.

Consider the source material for local nursing…

Jerold Phelps Hospital is full of these folks. So is Redwood Hospital in Fortuna.

Avoid Adventist Health and St Joseph Health, if you can, but Howard Hospital is a reasonable alternative.

Doggo the commie
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Doggo the commie
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Facts…do not have “alternates.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Wow. It’s not often I see a conspiracy theory so crazy that I go “huh?” and have to re-read it.

The transgender rights movement is actually being sponsored by the government to allow things without gender to be defined as people, so they can collect taxes on labor performed by AIs.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

There’s no theory in criminal conspiracy.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

it’s called Herd Stupidity.

no one would agree more than you, Central.

keep the water clean, keep the food clean, keep the earth clean, but let’s ignore the human body as a receptacle for garbage and toxic food and beverage and information.

we are definitely not in Kansas anymore.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

~not sure we’ve ever been in Kansas (or California), on the land. On paper, from the cradle to the casket, we’re in the Wonderful Colorful World of Commerce in Oz. We just weren’t told.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Mr BT: Yes, I liked that one too… Not often we agree twice, in one day…

Your kids should have to consent to you neglecting them, by allowing them to go unvaccinated for:

Polio
Diptheria
Pertussis
Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Tetanus

Do it so they won’t have to sneak out and:

Get pregnant
Smoke dope
Drink alcohol
Use Tobacco
Get vaccinated behind your back

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

your views are irrelevant to others who have injured children.

you come preaching that to parents who have sacrificed for herd stupidity…

you just might learn something

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Perhaps you should speak with some anti vaxxers whose kids now have measles and are giving it to others. They’re not heard from much because they tend to shut up about it after they realize what they’ve done. It’s happened locally, it’s not cool, bro..

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Measles OH NO!!!!

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Measles followed by pneumonia followed by kidney infection followed by encephalitis. A whole year sick. The Measles virus itself suppresses the immune system so, although no one understood that at the time, it was no wonder I came down with illness after illness. That was my personal experience. No their, not hearsay. Me, personally.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

~did you get vaccinations prior to getting the measles? If so, your natural defense system was already compromised. You’ve talked about this before – such an ordeal and sorry you got so, so, sick.

(i)mmune -phony baloney word.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

not cool at all. ..open the border and blame people for bringing the measles from other countries…
or just getting the measles from the vaccine. bullseye

or better yet, keep those kids healthy so they can go off and kill in the name of uncle Sam when they turn 18.

protect the kids against propaganda, and forced medication.

it’s a racket and I’ll have no part of herd stupidity

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

As opposed to individual stupidity… Study oppositional-defiance instead. Perhaps that is a concept you could understand.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

you can put whatever garbage you want in your body.

it’s simple,

clean the vaccines

make the manufacturer liable, just like every other business in the world.

otherwise, it’s a medical tyranny for the slaves

live free or die.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

read the constitution my ancestors bled for.

yeah, that opposition defiance runs strong in my family, so you can go along to get along.

I can think for myself , thank you, and again, until you deal with the socialization of losses and the privatization of profits, your perspective isnt worth standing behind.

liability and transparency.

cheers

https://youtu.be/Aj8kZ3DmaXg

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Tetanus is a specific pathogen that occurs in specific situations and requires very specific wound conditions for becoming virulent. Those conditions are uncommon in suburban and urban America as well as most other places in the world at this time. I now live in an environment where those conditions are more common. I’ve never researched the side effects (though I suspect there are some) because I’ve only used the Tetanus vaccine or booster under circumstances where it mattered.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

Clostridium:

http://textbookofbacteriology.net/clostridia_3.html

We say these bacteria are ubiquitous, meaning they’re everywhere.

Getting a Tetanus Vaccine may well prevent a highly fatal disease, and there are no circumstances where it “doesn’t matter”…

b.
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b.
4 years ago

Alternatives: wound care; assessment of the level of exposure in a particular environment; clean methods of cutting umbilical cords in the severely impoverished regions of the world, less stressful more hygienic living conditions in impoverished regions.
Each pathogen has a minimum number for causing an infection. Most are in the 100’s or 1000’s (with Dr Dean Edell – a committed vaccination advocate – giving the minimum known as ~36 as I recollect). Concentrations of the Tetanus bacteria are high in cultivated warm wet soils containing animal shit, particularly horse shit in the north American landscape. Anaerobic conditions favor incubation so my understanding is that bloody or near surface wounds are less likely to produce a serious infection. 25% of Americans have antibodies from infection which says that even with vaccination, more than 100 million have had an infection unknowingly — they did not die. An infection that the body is unable to resist that becomes medically acknowledged has a fairly high rate of fatality. 1/4 of fatal infections are among the vaccinated. Obviously fatality isn’t prevented though it seems to be reduced.
Clean your wounds and if you receive a deep puncture wound in unclean conditions, especially to the low blood flow (paddy-paw and arch) regions of the foot consider a tetanus shot if you are into that kind of thing. If I did I would get it without the Diphtheria and Pertussis (of the DPT) because my immune system wouldn’t need the simultaneous challenge of two other immune reactions and the contaminants in the vaccine.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

Billy,

~you’re flip-flopping within 2 mins. From 3:44 to 3:46 you did a one-eighty.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

No, no, I never change my mind…

You must be talking about some other old-fart that gets up way too early…

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

~you never change your mind? How is that possible?

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

you just like me.

decided.

carry on

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

~kisses, sos.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/#

if this doesn’t mean anything to you, your mind is not my friend, regardless of the labels, and your level of education or service.

there is a reason for resisting the people who serve to limit the debate or quiet dissenting opinions, without understanding inherent bias and willful negligence.

beware of being so convinced
of your righteousness.

Justin Knott
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Justin Knott
3 years ago

Serious? You think because a person decides not to be involved with KILLER VACCINES that because they chose not to vaccinate that they will become drug addicts criminals etc? [edit] It’s funny that nobody even knows who you are, maybe you can try to be a contributing part of society to obtain safer forms of health care. But this country is so great tight? Runs out of masks FUCKING MASKS for Gods sake how do you run out of the most simplest form of protection especially with the amount of money they RAPE from peoples pockets medically. How is it we pay so much for medical but yeah they cant keep up on masks. That should tell you how this CUNTRY operates. More money for the wealthy as they lie about where your tax money goes

Ursula platt
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Ursula platt
3 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I think he’s on to something.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/#

some people can remember evil, only after court documents are revealed to show the true nature behind the corporate love affair with hiding behind the veil of “transparency”.

BIANCA VARELAS
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BIANCA VARELAS
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

People aren’t living longer, they are living sicker. Take them off pills, etc and they die. Pills don’t cure, someones making big money off our sickness. Also side effects from pills, RX, eventually get us. Inform yourself, knowledge is power.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 years ago

“Vaccines are a victim of their own success- they make many diseases seem far away and people don’t see the maiming and death from them anymore. They only see the harm.”

This. My mother was a victim of the polio epidemic. She was “lucky” in that she only experienced withering of her left side, which later in life required a hip replacement because she had walk with one leg shorter than the other for decades. Her left hand is severely weakened and withered. Others had to wear braces on their legs and/or one shoe with inches added to the sole because the disease had affected them more.

A lot of the polio victims have passed away, they aren’t here to remind us of the effects. The iron lung patients, hell even FDR, who was wheelchair bound.

The polio vaccine came along around the time I was born. For which I am grateful. My mother raised three kids, but it was a struggle for her at times.

Oh yeah, even the “harmless” diseases like chicken pox can and often do come back to haunt the adults with shingles.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

wheelchairs are a huge business…

profits can beasily made in both sides of the war, so can the profits be made on both sides of health.

this isn’t about your healthy kids…

this is about healthy kids going to the doctor for a routine shot, and suffering a number of adverse effects that literally changes the game for the family and the child for the rest of their lives.

grow up, this isnt those who aren’t affected, it’s about those who are affected.

watch the movie, killing them softly.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

“wheelchairs are a huge business…”

What in the blue blazes does that have to do with ANYTHING I said?

So FDR was in the tank for “Big Wheelchair”?

Even though he died in 1945, and, yes, was a Polio victim who could not walk.

It just occurred to me that perhaps you don’t even know who Franklin Delano Roosevelt is (was). He was kind of a big deal.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

That is not reasonable at all. The basic argument is always the same logical error- this person did not get a disease that could have killed them but got another illness. Thereford the person selling the thing that prevents the first disease wanted to money by causing the subsequent diseases. It makes zero sense.

Just as saying the Gates Foundation is practicing eugenics by saving the lives of people by providing vaccines because- tah tah- they were alive to get a subsequent disease.

First paranoia dictates fear of anything where others are involved. Then, once paranoia is controlling, assign melodramatic villainy for even saving lives.

sks.
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sks.
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

so right! i am sick of anti-vaccine hysteria. no science involved.
people trying to blame anyone or anything for kids illnesses. sometimes kids get sick.

Jilly
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Jilly
4 years ago
Reply to  sks.

Science: Trimerisol and mercury are toxic to humans, yet they are used in vaccines. The number and frequency of the same vaccines have tripled. The greedy Medical/Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex profits most by Long slow death/diseases. Their only concern is profit. Got kids? Keep them safe.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

show me why Fluoride is added to the water.

it’s the only thing added to the water, that doesn’t treat the water.

what does the FDA say about this?

you can have an opinion.

it’s been clear for a long time the ingestion on fluoride does nothing for teeth.

I prefer informed consent.

Upyours
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Upyours
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

wake up people if nothing else its about profit, and with these new laws its about long term profit. you read the fucking ingredients in these things then come on here and tell me how stupid people are and dont care about their kids….if im making billions each year in profit just from the sale of vaccines with no risk of being sued (look up who pays out in the vaccine court cases, it aint the drug companies) and my business model is for my profits to keep going up each year, i would insure that by putting some shit in these vaccines that might not show up for years but by the time people are 40,50,60 they will be coming to me for a variety of autoimmune issues that i can sell them cures for !!! with this kind of $$$ involved and guaranteed return customers who will buy 10 or 12 kinds of meds for the rest of their lives from me the big pharma exec, do you think i give a fuck about the health of your kids? the $$$icker the better, is what we in the indu$try alway$ $ay. $$ucker$

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

It’s nonsense that to say that is a “vaccine injury epidemic ” being hidden. That’s paranoid conspiracy theories at it’s meanest. Everyone knows or should know that vaccines have the possibility for harm. Antivaxxers refuse to allow that vaccines save lives. Lots of lives. That diseases they see as “natural and harmless” do kill and maim at alarming rates. Meanwhile pro vaccers refuse to allow that vaccines can and sometimes do cause harm lest the fear mongers create epidemics by refusing to vaccinate at all. Which is exactly what happens to the misery of all.

Like many things, the debate is not honest or intelligent. Certainly not rational. If it can’t be discussed, then vaccinations’ negative side effects will not be addressed. But that does not mean the paranoid have the right to overwhelm everyone else in their fear mongering. I’m afraid that this debate will keep going on. Vaccines are a victim of their own success- they make many diseases seem far away and people don’t see the maiming and death from them anymore. They refuse to acknowledge the good that is gained from the risk..

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

you need to do some research on Bill Gates and his foundation work in Africa .

his dad was the top lawyer for planned parenthood…

Eugenics has many names. …

ONE GOAL.

we aren’t in Kansas anymore, toto

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

What you are missing from the myth implied above; In poor countries Fewer infant mortalities results in slower population growth. I know its counter intuitive, but Gates’s goals for population growth is to decrease the dead babies dying of diseases.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

you like that gates kool-aid.

it’s no wonder people are so easily manipulated.

it’s why we have the shit show in Washington DC.

because you , me, and everyone else is powerless to stop it.

go eat some roundup ready gmo corn if you areally believe it’s good for you.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

This sounds like The Real Brian. Personal insults are not arguments.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

No sir. Brian would be saying liar and hypocrite by his fifth post, which aren’t considered insults in here. Kool-Aid and go eat some GMO corn if you believe its good for you don’t even register on the insult gauge.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest,

Sid is Sinbad, Sinbad is Sid.

Sid is banned for impersonating me and using my handle.

Sinbad is his 2nd chance by Kym.

You always wonder why I endlessly argue the paranoid delusions of conspiracy lies and fear mongers….

Well, now you know, as you said;

Meanwhile pro vaccers refuse to allow that vaccines can and sometimes do cause harm lest the fear mongers create epidemics by refusing to vaccinate at all. Which is exactly what happens to the misery of all.

I’m frustrated at Kym and Oliver right now for posting this bullshit, without even posting very reasonable criticisms of Vaxxed #1.

BULLSHIT.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

There are many very good responses to Vaxxed here in the comment section. (And leave Oliver out of it. He’s just putting up events and likely not even noticing what they are for. The buck stops here with me.)

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

you have to ask yourself what billy gates Jr is doing with a convicted pedophile, child procurer, and something tells me no one is capable of doing that kind of mental gymnastics.

they’ll just believe what they’re told.

some people know there is plenty wrong with this photograph and those two guys arent getting nominated for a Nobel Prize.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

~may be the most disgusting pix. i’ve ever seen…

Erik
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Erik
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Why is there always creepy artwork and bizarre imagery around Epstein?

yesmeagain
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yesmeagain
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks for this comment. I have knowledgable friends who are both what I might call Vaccines for All and those who are, at least, Vaccine Skeptics. I am not well-educated in science, but I do know that EVERYTHING has risk. There are risks to getting vaccines and there are risks to not getting vaccines. Anecdotal evidence is interesting and we should have compassion for victims of apparent vaccine-related illnesses and victims of diseases that could have been prevented by vaccines. A person has to consider all the risks as carefully as possible, and make the choice that seems to be best for them (or their children). Therefore, for me the bottom line is not a scientific or medical one, but the right of a person to keep control over their own body (and that of their minor children) — the same as the argument for abortion choice. The possible loss of herd immunity is not a good enough reason for taking away this right and leads down a slippery slope. Note that I am NOT an anti-vaxxer; I was 12 when the Salk polio vaccine (injections) came out, and what a relief and blessing this was to families everywhere. But there are many questions about the current vaccine protocols for newborns and small children, and about the effectiveness v. risk of flu vaccines for anyone. So we should not dismiss vaccine skeptics or even outright anti-vaxxers as crackpots or anti-science. If we believe in science — which is a METHOD, not a set of conclusions; that’s one principle made clear to me as a student — then we should respect skepticism and continuing inquiries.

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  yesmeagain

Anti vaxxers are not practicing skeptical inquiry though….. science is a method, that they are distorting and denying.
Proper skepticism would do a proper risk/benefit analysis, and the rational outcome is to embrace the science of vaccines.

”the right of a person to keep control over their own body” But your freedom to swing your arms around should stop at everyone elses noses. Which is why the libertarian argument fails. The right of a person to keep control over their own body when it comes to drinking wine stops when the person shares the road with the rest of us on public highways. Nobody is forced to vaccinate…… and nobody should be forced to put their child in danger at public schools because some feel they have the right to bring back preventable diseases.
There are no vaccine skeptics…. you are confusing skepticism with cynicism and conspiracy theory wooly thinking.

We should respect skepticism and continuing inquiries using the methods of science. Anti vaxxers undermine exactly that. We should respect people, even with horrible ideas, but not their horrible ideas, or the crackpots who have seduced them with these delusions.

There is a difference….. I differentiate a mistaken belief from that of a delusion in the willingness of the person to reconsider. Problem here is that people that did not use evidence to base their conclusions, are not likely to change their mind with evidence. This is what gets in the way of civil discussion on the topic. Anger most often fills the space between ones certainty and their lack of evidence. And as with most belief entrenchment caused by conspiracy theories; all disconfirming evidence is deemed as part of the cover up, leaving these poor victims unable to escape from the intellectual black hole this cult depends on.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

I differentiate a mistaken belief from that of a delusion in the willingness of the person to reconsider. Problem here is that people that did not use evidence to base their conclusions, are not likely to change their mind with evidence. 

Yes!!

Though I get frustrated at all the stupid beliefs people have, and can become uncivil. That’s my faults.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

YOU ARE NOT A PARENT, TRB….

try having your attitude in front of a parent with an injured child, I would hope you could stop for a moment and just listen without interjection of your belief that you have no business pushing.

NO KIDS, NO VOTE.

FEEL FREE TO VACCINATE YOURSELF AND YOUR DOG.

cheers

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

YOU ARE NOT A PARENT

Gee Sid, it’s as if you’re following me in real life.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian,
just do your due diligence and talk with the family of injured kids.

you might learn something.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

You are pushing this, Sinbad. If you act like Syd, I’ll treat you like Syd and ban you.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Are you kidding?

I’ve documented that both “Stunned” and “Sinbad” are Sid.

He is literally talking to himself down below, and that’s one of the most frequent commentors on this thread – that is not a debate.

https://kymkemp.com/2019/11/03/are-vaccines-really-as-safe-and-effective-as-weve-been-told-asks-documentary/#comment-880507

What do we know about Sid:

He plays documented games on the comment thread.

It’s why he was pseudo-banned, remember?

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Hey Brian,
Are you suspicious of “Chad White?” I am. Never seen him before, or a couple of folks who responded to him a couple of times. Do you think he might be a paid advocate from somewhere else who follows these things around to “prime” the debate? Do you question whether that name is a fiction?

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

This is a serious question.
About 95% of the time, I think your point of view adds to the debate. At least 50%, I think you’re right on the mark, although prone to haranguing rather than debating. I reject your illiberal tendency to dismiss all arguments that don’t support your point of view. But I can live with that.
However, a lack of skepticism about those who agree with you or support your point of view makes you a much more dangerous friend than an enemy. Have you vetted “Chad White”? I have no idea whether my suspicion has any merit. It’s based almost entirely on my sense that he’s too slick at responding only to what promotes his seemingly well rehearsed talking points. I notice that your vetting process is pretty robust for those you disagree with. Is it available for other uses?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

B.,

I’m not suspicious of Chad White for important reasons.

He was using credible sources and vetted information in his posts.

When you get to a point of credibility and honesty, you no longer need to remain annonymous.

Chad is a local. He has been featured on this site before.

If you want some beautiful blown glass in your house, check Good Glass out of Humboldt.

He is featured on their Facebook page.

Name games are twisted.

There is one commentor here operating under many names.

He is pushing bad information because it links back to his website, endlessly.

He is a fraud.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

Thanks. More haranguing, and thanks anyway. The convincing part of your statement is the middle third.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Hey Brian,

~where’s shak? What have you done w/him?

You are now placed under suspicion for not bring suspicious of “Chad White”.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Not suspicious, just curious about the social and intellectual habits of someone I “listen to” fairly often. And wanting an answer that I don’t think “Chad White” will provide. . . and
“The REAL Brian” could.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

~oh. Never mind.

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago

I’m appalled that this psuedoscience death cult is being supported at all. Kim please dont contribute to this community health menace,,,, it’s a cult. There is no debate, only delusions supported by this kind of “false balance” in journalism.

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/sciencetoolkit_04

lauracooskey
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lauracooskey
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

I fully support Kym’s printing this. Her action does not indicate that she approves of it. Believe it or not, there are intelligent people on both sides of the debate. I deplore the mentality that says, “Shut it down and do not let these opinions be heard.” Let them be heard, and let people judge on their own–but be sure to provide enough persuasive information from your own side that you can be confident people should believe what you do.

That said… i think the person responsible for the article should put a name on it. Own up! Doesn’t everyone else take credit for what they post (in the main articles, not the comments)?

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  lauracooskey

There are intelligent people on both sides of the debate,,,, and intelligent people are easily persuaded by a good story, more so than facts.

There are not intelligent arguments or valid evidence on both sides of this debate….. That illusion is caused by false balance in reporting. https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/sciencetoolkit_04

Kevin Hoover
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Kevin Hoover
4 years ago
Reply to  lauracooskey

Yes, “You also had some very fine people on both sides.”
No one said they shouldn’t be able to show their movie. The issue is this big free ad for health-endangering misinformation.

lol
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lol
4 years ago
Reply to  lauracooskey

” there are intelligent people on both sides of the debate”
Nope. And among those with enough training to understand peer reviewed research (not RN’s) there is no “debate”.

yesmeagain, again
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yesmeagain, again
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

Both of the previous replies are false, in my opinion. See my comment above. Respectful dialog will lead us closer to truth.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago

Admitting truth maybe. We already have enough to proceed if not that was frustrated by emotional browbeating.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

Oh, there’s definitely some intelligent people behind it. They’ve discovered an excellent way to take people’s money, with every ticket they sell. Just because they’re horribly evil doesn’t mean they’re stupid.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

take out the aluminum, thimerosal, and all adjuvants that have negative impacts, then you may have virtue in your scientific observation and ability to discern right from wrong.

until then, you are just another number…

1 in10…

“a statistical reminder of a world that doesn’t care”

Hollywood much?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  lol

“The sign of intelligence is that you are constantly wondering. Idiots are always dead sure about every damn thing they are doing in their life.” ― Jaggi Vasudev

stunned
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stunned
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

REPRESENT!!!!!!
RFO!!!!!!!!

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  stunned

~great picture! Thanks too.

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  lauracooskey

If she published a request from the KKK where they crowdsource support for their cause to hold an event here, would you say that was an endorsement?

Because there is not a Vaxxed event scheduled… this is crowdfunding for them.

If the KKK were having an event here, and she posted that information, it would not be any kind of endorsement. But if she posted an advertisement for them, to enable them to get an event here, that would not be the same thing, that would be actual support.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

Chad White, Yes!

This was a huge fail of RHBB.

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4 years ago

Maybe it’s policy and not the vaccines itself. They run hospitals as a business. So I noticed they load up all the vaccine shots, to be administered, in 1 visit. That seems like lot of stuff, for a little body. Then I met Mama’s who noticed this also. They only allowed 1 vac at a time, & spaced out the time in between. These kids seem ok. “Things in moderation!” my grandparents always said.

Sue
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Sue
4 years ago

Thank you for this article. As we know, vaccine manufacturers are the only medical product protected against liability ( they cannot be sued) and the only recourse for vaccine injured people is a little known government program, called the VICP ( vaccine injury compensation program) and if the injured or family of those the vaccine killed only have two years to find out about it and register, or their case will be automatically denied..
Doctors have a huge financial incentive to promote vaccines and deny vaccine injury, and as we saw during the opiate epidemic, financial incentives can result in even obvious harm ( and the signs of opiate addiction should have been easy to see) being ignored.
For those who don’t know, the CDC ( the center for Disease control) has a list of what are considered “table injuries” which include encephalopathy, ( inflammation of the brain) from the MMR and Guilliame barre ( a type of whole body paralysis ) from the influenza shot.
Like peanut butter, which some can eat every day, and some will die from.,vaccines may cause no side effects in some, but have a devastating effect on others. In the cases of children like Holly Stavalo ( who died from her second MMR vaccine at age 5, may she rest in peace) whose parents are responsible for Holly’s Law in New Jersey (,which allows titres to prove vaccination status instead of a required second MMR shot) Bradley Banks, ( who developed encephalitis and was compensated by the VICP program) and Ian Gromowski( a beautiful little baby who died from the Hep B), the mainstream media does its best to ignore and belittle the vaccine injured.
There is no product so important that silencing those who have been injured or maimed by it should be acceptable. I am glad the Vaxxed bus is giving a voice to vaccine injured people who no one else cares enough to study or write about.

Erik
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Erik
4 years ago
Reply to  Sue

Nice, reasonable comment. Thank you.

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago

The director of Vaxxed is the same crook who first published the fraudulent autism study in the beginning. He also had huge conflicts of interest because of a product he was selling, and also money he was receiving from lawyers. He should be in jail for harming children.

I have family who are elderly, infants, and cancer survivors with compromised immune systems. Publishing this trash is a direct threat to the lives in my community and family! Its misinformation, and it spreads delusional thinking.

Ariana Eunjung Cha ;

“”On its surface, the movie “Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe” appears to be a slickly produced scientific documentary with lots of charts and data about one of the most important issues of our time. The central premise of the film is that the country’s mandatory measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine — when given to children under age 2 — may be leading to an epidemic of autism diagnoses.

It contains heartbreaking footage of happy, laughing toddlers who, their parents say, became profoundly disabled almost overnight after receiving the shot. It explains the findings of a study that confirms the link and unearths recordings from a former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention scientist who purportedly claimed the government quashed findings of the connection.

The New York based Tribeca Film Festival pulled the controversial documentary “Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe” after public criticism. (Erin Patrick O’Connor/The Washington Post)
But what the movie doesn’t get into is as compelling as what it does present. There are numerous facts, backstories and events that the filmmakers pretend didn’t happen that challenge many of the main points of the film. Here’s what you need to know to put “Vaxxed” into context:

1) The most important thing to know is that the link between vaccines and autism has been debunked — widely and repeatedly. The original study that raised the issue was published in 1998 in the journal the Lancet and involved 12 patients who, after receiving the MMR vaccine, suffered ill effects that appeared to be autism. While many researchers were skeptical of the finding, panicked parents in both Great Britain and the United States pushed vaccination rates down sharply. Outbreaks of the measles, mumps and rubella on both sides of the Atlantic soon followed.

In 2004, Sunday Times journalist Brian Deer reported serious ethical violations by the 1998 paper’s lead author, gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield. Deer accused Wakefield of having been paid by a law firm that had been planning to sue vaccine manufacturers and of subjecting some of the children to unnecessary, invasive procedures for the study. After the revelations, most of the researchers named as co-authors in the study disavowed the findings and withdrew their names from the paper. In 2010, the Lancet’s editors retracted the paper. Three months later, Britain’s General Medical Council revoked Wakefield’s medical license.

In 2011, the British medical journal the BMJ published a detailed investigation into the research, calling it an “elaborate fraud” by Wakefield and lamenting the harm it had caused and would continue to cause to the public health.

“It’s one thing to have a bad study, a study full of error, and for the authors then to admit that they made errors,” BMJ editor-in-chief Fiona Godlee told CNN at the time. “But in this case, we have a very different picture of what seems to be a deliberate attempt to create an impression that there was a link by falsifying the data.”

2) The director of “Vaxxed” — and the main expert who appears on camera — is that same Andrew Wakefield.!!!!!!!!

The New York based Tribeca Film Festival pulled the controversial documentary “Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe” after public criticism. (Erin Patrick O’Connor/The Washington Post)
3) Actor Robert De Niro, who has an autistic son, originally lobbied to put the film on the schedule for the Tribeca Film Festival in March. But several days later, he said he had a change of heart.

“My intent in screening this film was to provide an opportunity for conversation around an issue that is deeply personal to me and my family,” he said in a statement. “But after reviewing it over the past few days with the Tribeca Film Festival team and others from the scientific community, we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for.”

Robert De Niro accused of censorship after yanking anti-vaccine movie from film festival

4) One of the main figures in the film, CDC scientist William Thompson, is heard only in voice recordings. Those recordings, the movie discloses, were of phone conversations Thompson had with another researcher who secretly recorded the calls. “Oh, my God. I cannot believe we did what we did. But we did,” Thompson says at one point, purportedly about omitting findings confirming a link between the MMR vaccine and autism from an official 2004 report.

Thompson has remained silent on the matter, but the other researcher, biologist Brian Hooker, has released a statement saying that Thompson would be publishing a paper soon that shows no link between the MMR vaccine and autism in African American males after all.

Hooker said he is “suspect of any analysis coming from the CDC due to the historic nature of the agency’s scientific misconduct and conflicts of interest specifically around any link between vaccines and autism.” He also detailed his conversations with Thompson:

Dr. William Thompson, senior scientist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) contacted me during 2013 and 2014 and shared many issues regarding fraud and malfeasance in the CDC, specifically regarding the link between neurodevelopmental disorders and childhood vaccines. Dr. Thompson and I spoke on the phone more than 40 times over a 10 month period and he shared thousands of pages of CDC documents with me. Eventually, Dr. Thompson turned this information over to Congress via Rep. Bill Posey of Florida.
5) While the issue of vaccines and autism still comes up regularly — as it did when presidential contender Donald Trump mentioned his belief in the theory in a debate last year — most scientists consider the connection between vaccines and autism to be discredited. Dozens of top journals — including the New England Journal of Medicine, the Journal of Pediatric Infectious Diseases and the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders — have published papers that looked into a possible link and found none.

A study in JAMA in April 2015 was one of the largest; it involved an analysis of 96,000 children. The authors wrote that their findings “indicate no harmful association between MMR vaccine receipt and [autism spectrum disorder] even among children already at higher risk.”

The origins of Donald Trump’s autism/vaccine theory and how it was completely debunked eons ago

6) While experts still don’t know what causes autism, it is thought to be a combination of genetic and environmental factors such as infections or exposure to certain chemicals that may lead to differences in the shape and structure of a child’s brain. According to an estimate by the CDC published last year, 1 in 45 (or 2.24 percent) of children age 3 to 17 may have autism — a steep rise over the past few decades. Researchers have theorized that part of the rise could be attributable to a greater awareness of the condition. The CDC said the most recent jump from 2011 to 2014 may have a very mundane reason behind it: a change in the questionnaire the agency uses to track cases.

7) Movie critics have come out with very different takes on the film. The San Francisco Chronicle’s Mick LaSalle appeared to be moved by the footage and personal stories of the children and their parents. “Of course, it’s possible that the children would have developed autism anyway, and that one event didn’t cause the other. But the parents presented here are convinced otherwise,” he wrote. While acknowledging that the film “doesn’t contain the whole story,” LaSalle called it “a passionate advocate for its viewpoint … that makes for compelling viewing.”

Other reviewers weren’t so generous. The Washington Post’s Michael O’Sullivan called it “closer to horror film than documentary.” Stat’s Rebecca Robbins commented on the film’s “paranoid tone.” The Age’s Sarah Gill warned: “Don’t be fooled — Wakefield’s story is not the tale of a man wronged by powerful corporations or the medical establishment, which, in fact, closed ranks to protect him. It’s the story of a physician who set out to cast doubt on vaccine safety before he’d even gathered the evidence, and he did so not for the public good, but for profit.”

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

Chad:

Thanks for all of this. Next, they will say that marijuana cures cancer.

Think for yourself, and if it sounds crazy, it probably is.

Immunize your children, don’t tempt the fates. It’s only fair, and someone probably did it for you.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

“There is no product so important that silencing those who have been injured or maimed by it should be acceptable. I am glad the Vaxxed bus is giving a voice to vaccine injured people who no one else cares enough to study or write”

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

/”I am glad the Vaxxed bus is giving a voice to vaccine injured people who no one else cares enough to study or write””/

~me too. Thank you, Sue.

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago

Kym,,,, in all respect and love for our community, think critically.

Science and reason are nothing less than the guardians of love….and the anti vax cultish tactics are the enemies of reason.

Hope this resource here comes in handy;

https://nodesci.net/blog/2015/05/17/a-guide-to-kinda-looking-smart-on-the-internet-how-to-find-and-evaluate-online-information/

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

Chad, this is a press release posted in the Event section of my website. Posting an event here in no way implies I endorse the event. It simply says there is a section of the community who cares and I provide the information that an event is happening. I do not say, “Hey, alcohol is bad for you” and toss those events.” Nor do I look at rodeo’s which some find abhorrent and toss those events. The list of possibilities of events people find wrong is nearly endless. Climate change deniers think I shouldn’t provide information that a climate march is happening. People who are anti illegal immigrant think I shouldn’t provide information about community events supporting them. But, in the end, I provide the information about the events and let my adult readers make decisions.

Sometimes there are large discussions in the comment section of these events about an event’s value. I think the discussion is illuminating and healthy.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You are currently “illuminating” the propaganda of a dangerous hack fraud, in furtherance of nothing positive. Do a little research on Tenpenny, Kym. Allowing these forums to become dumping grounds for InfoWars propaganda is one thing, but you seem to be going down that same rabbit hole yourself.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

“When it comes to disease, how much do you really know what is going on in your body?

Western medicine has created some incredible, life-saving advances for humanity, but it remains a double-edged sword. We tend to over medicate and often forget to look at the body in its holistic state: one that is naturally programmed to heal itself and which only asks for proper support in the form of clean, wholesome nutrition.

Next time you feel that something is off with your body, with your treatment, plan, your medication, or even you doctor – trust that intuition within you. It’s your body shouting at you that something else is going on. Be proactive about your health and don’t be afraid to ask questions, seek second opinions, and ask for alternatives when a treatment or medicine is making you feel worse. There is no reason why one area of your health should be treated at the expense of another equally important part of your body.”

not buying it cannanball jaek adderly…

at least she can discuss the position with some knowledge.

tenpenny has more cred in her pinky than you’ve shown by denigrating a potential discussion into a name calling spectacle.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

~say it like it is, sos.

Off subject, but i wanted to make sure this isn’t missed:

San Jose, CA Next City To Ban Natural Gas
https://www.technocracy.news/san-jose-ca-next-city-to-ban-natural-gas/ November 4th

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

”Posting an ‘event’ here”

Kym, There is no event YET though. Reporting that there is an event, is different then promoting an event TO happen.
This is crowd funding/crowd sourcing for the creation of said event. Its helping a cult collect vulnerable critical thinking deficit people to support an event that does not at this time exist at all. Which IS endorsing this event to be a reality.

Like, if you reported on the KKK holding a supremacist rally, that would not be an endorsement. But would you report on an event that is not set, that they wanted to happen by way of selling enough tickets? Like, hey…… ”if enough of you hate dark people and want tickets we’ll throw a racism event!!” I’m just reporting on the event?? Send ticket money here if you hate black people so that we can make this happen. Its the difference between reporting an event….. and promoting an advertisement to promote an event so that it will happen. Of course you would not help the KKK crowdsource for an event to happen here. But that is the favor this post does for the pro disease folks.

But I agree with you about your intention and I share those values. I’m not a proponent of censorship or deplatforming and silencing…. I do think the best disinfectant is sunlight, and I think having the discussion is important. Vaxxed makes use of cult tactics to entrench these beliefs, they promote an epistemic process that is divorced from any self corrective mechanism and that poisons the discussions that we need to be having. It ripps people up with emotional stories that are not evidence based…. all disconfirming evidence is deemed part of the cover up….. and people are trapped inside of these intellectual black holes at the expense of public health.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

I had a long post here, but I decided to delete it. It would have been offensive to many readers, as it included an example of what a KKK press release might look like, showing something that I would hope no one today would ever publish. The short version: Just like the KKK, this is a group of people out for profit and their own interests, using misinformation as their tool and gullible people as their pawns, and at some point you have to refuse to publish things. Giving them publicity legitimizes their activities in many people’s minds.

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Agreed. There is no event for Vaxxed…… the post crowdsources for them and supports them in getting an event here.

I had to use the KKK analogy . If Kym posted that the KKK was having an event, that would not be an endorsement. But if she posted them trying to crowdfund a racist event here, that would be a supportive endorsement.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

Why something gets posted is important as is how often a group with an agenda gets access. It is not that reporters are free from their own biases but that they should be very aware of them. Much more than others because of their positions of power. Although they may cavil at the power designation.

That said Kym is not the person who posted this. Oliver Cory is.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Oliver posted it …..On Kyms website.

I’d like to hear Kyms response to Chad regarding this promotional fundraiser non event.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Oliver posted it at Kym’s direction so direct your ire this way, please.

Brian, as I’ve said before, I’m comfortable with people discussing controversial issues and feel no need to shut down debate.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You posting Alex Jones material, and letting us be subjected to 100 comments by the 3 most fear- mongering, conspiratorial, delusionalists is not debate.

This is a thread off of Infowars, with Chad White offering some sense of sanity.

This is not a debate.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

start your own blog, B, and you can shut down the comments again.

you did it once, you’d keep doing it to squash expression.

this is a great chance to talk about the children who’ve been injured as a result of believing their parents to do the job of screening the good from the bad.

compromised immune systems is where this is all leading.

so it may not be the DTP, but it could be the immune system being susceptible to something else because of immunosuppressive nature of some vaccinations.

there is no debate for you to win, this is simply about demanding accountability for a billion dollar industry.

shouldn’t be too much to ask for someone who goes on and on about what’s right and what’s wrong.

this will never be a debate you will ever win.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

have you ever ran a corporation?

profit is the goal.

why not rail against the corporations that sell Shit, for food, movies for poor intellectual discourse.

Carroll Quigley’s

“Tragedy and Hope”

isn’t a light read,

but it surely illuminated my mind.

there’s still time to learn.

Just thinking here
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Just thinking here
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

If you feel you have a respoanbilty to moderate the comments ( I’m not sure you actually have a responsibility to do so) then you certainly must extend that thinking to the question of which events you publicize/promote. And publicizing events, without commentary, is promoting them.

I would say promoting rodeos does far more harm than allowing insults or blatantly racist remarks.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

I do moderate the event list. But having a point of view I disagree with does not mean that I delete you in the comment section nor in the Event section.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago

The unbelievable ignorance, and paranoid blather, and from an RN!

You should have your license revoked, I notice you didn’t identify yourself…

I think you should become an FNP or a PA, so when you start to practice, you can be fired for having anti-medical viewpoints and spreading lies… Or just get a job at Adventist Health, they love mis-truth and pandering to and profiting from fearful and backwards types!

Humboldt County in general, already contains too many whack-jobs, and, the potential spreading of pain and ignorance to children is immoral and obtuse, beyond anything an alleged RN/mother should admit to!

Should we allow Polio? How about Diptheria? Pertussis? How much suffering and death is enough for you? Would you like your children to die of a preventable disease? How about your patients?

Professional maturity is obtained, following a long observation of suffering. We call it practicing, in healthcare, because we are all just learning, every day. That is why hospitals are called “campuses”.

Spreading ignorance and fear, is not really a part of your scope of practice, dear. Maybe throw away that nursing license, and work at Target, instead. You are completely off the track!

Love your children, vaccinate them! Don’t let the crazies sway your good sense!

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

do we not have the best doctors In the world?

I’m willing to bet you haven’t been in or around a medical school lately.

https://www.beckersasc.com/leadership-management/what-of-physicians-took-the-hippocratic-oath.html

________

There is a phrase in medical education which often gets aired at the welcoming lecture to medical school:

“50% of what we teach you over the next five years will be wrong, or inaccurate. Sadly, we don’t know which 50%”

https://blogs.bmj.com/pmj/2014/05/30/50-of-what-you-are-taught-is-wrong/

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

This reminds me of the moon landing, the Twin Towers + Bldg. 7 that wasn’t hit by a plane, the worthless Federal Reserve Notes, circumcision, oh and, of course, democracy, democracy, democracy. Might as well throw in gravity and the speed of light, pre-disposed (my Mom had it, therefore, i’ll get it), the cancer epidemic via polio injections, dementia via needle injection of man-made toxic sludge w/aluminum, microwave in every kitchen, margarine replacing butter, Frankenfood, and Soylent Green now in those Big Pharma needle injections. 56 by the time a child is five is straight-up insanity<<<only in Amerika.

Why would any thinking one of We, the People, trust so blindly those who have demonstrated so completely their untrustworthiness?

"Vaccination is a barbarous practice, and it is one of the most fatal of all the delusions current in our time, not to be found even among the so-called savage races of the world.

Conscientious objectors to vaccination should stand alone, if need be, against the whole world, in defense of their conviction.” ― Mahatma Gandhi. Yes he said it (assuming that the translation from the Hindi, and Project Gutenberg, can be trusted).

These researchers found that “..rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells.” Theresa Deisher Ph.D, lead researcher in this study stated that, “Not only are the human fetal contaminated vaccines associated with autistic disorder throughout the world, but also with epidemic childhood leukemia and lymphomas.”

Dr. Mary's Monkey – book and YouTube audio should give pause to parents who are not supposed to put their children in harm's way.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

“tragedy and hope”

what a better way to show the two sides of the corporate government con job that people feel so good about.

Nickyniceguy
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Nickyniceguy
4 years ago

“Why don’t you vaccinate your 2 year old?”
According to FDA the max. Amount of aluminum that anyone can safely handle is 4 MCG. Per Kilo. Most shots for children are 225 to 850 mcg of aluminum. So your 2 year old would have to weigh 467LB to process that amount of aluminum. Too much aluminum causes a mirad of problems in humans. Vaccines are not horrible but definitely not 1 size fits all. Check ingredients of what is being injected into your body so you are aware not ignorant.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Nickyniceguy

crickets

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Nickyniceguy

Not exactly- ” The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams, formula-fed infants ingest about 38 milligrams, and infants who are fed soy formula ingest almost 117 milligrams of aluminum during the first six months of life.”

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum

Nickyniceguy
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Nickyniceguy
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest thank you for the documentation. I do still challenge the idea that aluminum is safe to inject as your kidneys and liver are much less likely to filter toxins when something is injected intramuscular as most immunizations are. This article is written from a science base perspective vs from a Dr. That is paid to immunize. Like I said, I am pro education not anti vax. I am on a delayed vaccination program with my youngsters as my research has lead me to understand that vaccines are not awful, they can be great, but should be given when the body has a better ability to process the chemical and illness being injected. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14737175.2014.915745

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Nickyniceguy

//”I do still challenge the idea that aluminum is safe to inject”//

~pretty big of you, Nickyniceguy, Delayed vaccination w/your youngsters.

I am pro-life American choice, not anti vax.

Antichrist
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Antichrist
4 years ago

well wither or not vaccines cause health concerns or not, my personal experance with them has not been all roses. even today i suffer side effects form 3 differant vaccines i recived while serving. 2 of which almost killed me. all of which were mandatory at the time and have since been changed to where a service person can opt out. I do not support anything being mandatory in reguards to what a person puts into their body or their childs. I also beleive that if these vaccines are so safe that the companies producing the should not need protected from lawsuites. while i understand the process of herd health. I see things a bit differantly. just because someone else or their child is at risk because of a weakened immune system everyone else should risk their own and that of their childrens health ? hardly. there is a reason this planet is over populated. and as cold as it my seem. the planet has a system for population control. in which the weak and sick are supposed to die out. we have been mucking with the general order of life . keeping the elderly alive in nursing homes where they are merely suriving because no one wants to let them go , yet many of those in those homes seem forgotten except on holidays. Sick children with horrorable illnesses are suriving from birth never to recover but to lay there needing constant medicial care some never even talking because of why ? you talk about not wanting suffering lets start there before telling people that they must inject something into their bodies or their childrens bodies that is produced by companies that are publicly traded that must under threat of law make their shareholders as much money as they can.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

~so many great conversations going on. I like what you say. Sorry to hear about you being harmed by vaccines. Thank you for your service -wholeheartedly.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago

The rationale for reasonable discussion is lost when the false dichotomy of “all vaccines are are good/all vaccines are bad” is the only accepted operating posistion.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Thanks.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Thanks. I notice that the discussion has devolved beyond that.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-vaccination-outbreak-hesitancy-measles-1.5343220

Why it matters. When people who are naturally fearful are given free rein to spread their paranoia, they make others fearful too. Enough fearful people gather together to become a danger to everyone.

But, while their paranoia dictates irrational behavior, it does not mean that every point they make is wrong. Vaccines can be made safer, the routine for giving them can be made more individual if that would be a help. But, if the debate always is never-vaccinate versus always-vaccinate, making it safer never gets discussed.

This guu
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This guu
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Isnt accepting vaccines based on being afraid?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  This guu

Bingo.

False Evidence Appearing Real (Fear)

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
4 years ago
Reply to  This guu

Is the use of seat belts “being afraid”? Is getting rabies shot for your pet “being afraid”? Is putting a smoke alarm in your home “being afraid? Is keeping your woodpile away from the house to avoid termites “being afraid”?

Or are these examples, and many others, just being prudent?

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago

So very well said Angela.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

you seem to have a Strong desire to tell other people what they need to do with their own bodies and their children’s.

your mentality is why AMERICA is the greatest nation on earth, so it can take resources from other countries in the name of democracy. just can’t seem to mind our own business without telling the world how AMERICA wants it done, by using the military industrial complex as it’s chief negotiation tool.

Face it, we are at the heart of the English empire’s conquest of the globe, and you might want to ask the Indigenous people what they think about trusting and not verifying.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  This guu

Yes. As usual the emotions are tethered to reasonable versus unreasonable fears. People who don’t fear the ancient scourge of disease are deluding themselves. Having some fear of vaccination is reasonable . It’s bending to the fear of vaccination by dismissing the fears of disease that is so very stupid.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Tell that to the parents of children w/Autism. My girlfriend’s son is now 22. So, yeah Autism, has been researched by her for 20 years. You people come in at the tail end and think you know what’s what.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

say it loud central.

say it over and over and over again.

the minorities are protected if you play into the program and the propaganda, but sacrificed at the earliest convenience.

cheers

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Except it is not true that autism is caused by vaccinations. Repeated studies of tens of thousands show no correlation at all. This has been one very thoroughly investigated allegation and has come up with zilch. We’ve gone round and round about it. An anecdote or a hundred is not proof but apparently will be believed no matter what.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

^^^ that’s the dumbest, un-researched, willingly blindfolded statement you’ve ever posted.

Too small print. Here’s what it says:

Asher, Cash, Bacteria Inc. Milwaukee: Lee Foundation For Nutritional Research, 1955.
Here are a few sentences from the booklet: “At the conclusion of his long and thorough experimentations. Dr. Campbell arrived at two conclusions. 1. That small pox is transmitted only by the bite of an infested bug. 2. That perversion of nutrition determines the degree of virulence . .Today, the bedbug has all but vanished from this vacuumed and disinfected land of ours…But the practice of vaccination is as popular as it was in the days of the plague . . Why, then, does the vaccination fetish persist? We must find the answer in economics –in the billion dollar serum industry and its correlative industry – medical practice.” The copyright for this book are now under the custodianship of the International Foundation For Nutrition And Health: this organization prints many books by Royal Lee, Melvin Page and others.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

That is total nonsense. Smallpox was spread through close contact with coughing infected people or contact with the pustules. He concluded incorrectly. Bed bugs have not disappeared. And good nutrition never saved anyone from getting a virulent disease. Vaccinations virtually eliminated smallpox in places without good nutrition and with bed bugs in place.

It boggles the mind how a person can choose to believe what one unconfirmed source says while thinking there is some massive conspiracy when thousands of sources say differently, based in nothing but choosing to have what is believed confirmed.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Gosh Darn Guest, thank you.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

//” And good nutrition never saved anyone from getting a virulent disease”//

~you do know where you are, Guest, right?

Chad White
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Chad White
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Its not black or white, I agree…. lets have the discussion starting on this common ground then.

If we do a rational cost/benefit analysis we would weigh up a very tiny risk versus tremendous benefit. If we exaggerate that tiny risk with a ‘false balance’ it can and already has caused harm beyond that of the risk of a vaccine injury.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

More realistically authority being willing to investigate issues, respond unemotionally to people’s fears, to make all data available EVEN if it is concerning might do more that the authoritarian reactions so common. Yes, it will have to be repeated endlessly and yes, it will never convince everyone. Showing such respect and willingness to understand the fears will go farther to ease them than thinking they are too busy with “real” issues to keep repeating themselves.

Maybe like Holocaust or slavery museums, we should have a publicly accessible disease museum because way too many people have never experienced these things. They tend to dismiss the lessons they taught. Especially those raised in a place where public health has pushed back so much suffering that the beneficiaries are deluded to think that they are protected by nature.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Chad White

These should be individually addressed if you want a “rational cost/benefit analysis ” and it should be clear to whom the cost and benefits apply. For instance, I have no plans to ever get an anthrax, yellow fever or flu vaccine:

•Adenovirus
•Anthrax
AVA (BioThrax)
•Cholera
Vaxchora
•Diphtheria
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Td (Tenivac, generic)
DT (-generic-)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
•Hepatitis A
HepA (Havrix, Vaqta)
HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
•Hepatitis B
HepB (Engerix-B, Recombivax HB, Heplisav-B)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
HepA-HepB (Twinrix)
•Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Hib (ActHIB, PedvaxHIB, Hiberix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
•Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
HPV9 (Gardasil 9) (For scientific papers, the preferred abbreviation is 9vHPV)
•Seasonal Influenza (Flu) only
IIV* (Afluria, Fluad, Flublok, Flucelvax, FluLaval, Fluarix, Fluvirin, Fluzone, Fluzone High-Dose, Fluzone Intradermal)
*There are various acronyms for inactivated flu vaccines – IIV3, IIV4, RIV3, RIV4 and ccIIV4.
LAIV (FluMist)
•Japanese Encephalitis
JE (Ixiaro)
•Measles
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
•Meningococcal
MenACWY (Menactra, Menveo)
MenB (Bexsero, Trumenba)
•Mumps
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
•Pertussis
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
•Pneumococcal
PCV13 (Prevnar13)
PPSV23 (Pneumovax 23)
•Polio
Polio (Ipol)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
•Rabies
Rabies (Imovax Rabies, RabAvert)
•Rotavirus
RV1 (Rotarix)
RV5 (RotaTeq)
•Rubella
MMR (M-M-R II)
MMRV (ProQuad)
•Shingles
ZVL (Zostavax)
RZV (Shingrix)
•Smallpox
Vaccinia (ACAM2000):
•Tetanus
DTaP (Daptacel, Infanrix)
Td (Tenivac, generic)
DT (-generic-)
Tdap (Adacel, Boostrix)
DTaP-IPV (Kinrix, Quadracel)
DTaP-HepB-IPV (Pediarix)
DTaP-IPV/Hib (Pentacel)
•Tuberculosis
•Typhoid Fever
Typhoid Oral (Vivotif)
Typhoid Polysaccharide (Typhim Vi)
•Varicella
VAR (Varivax)
MMRV (ProQuad):
•Yellow Fever
YF (YF-Vax)

List of Vaccines Used in United States

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

You’ve just entered a discussion with someone who thinks that appending the thought “within the limits of our knowledge and understanding,” is an act of mass murder. I have a real problem with the anti-vax hysteria and disinformation. I’ve investigated the various vaccines, their rationales and their potential side effects.
Last time I was bitten by an untested unknown animal I researched, through public health sources, and determined that the most effective treatment for rabies in my case was attentive and specific wound care. There has been at least one instance of a case of rabies developing 7 years after a bite and I’m within that time window by five years. I don’t lose sleep over it.
My problem is with people who believe that their program will only save the whole world if everyone adopts it. Not a good program for humans or living systems in general, I think. But true believers always have a problem with the thought “within the limits of my knowing and understanding.” Their knowing and understanding knows no limits.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

“There are no side effects to this miracle treatment.” If there are no side effects there are no effects.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

~partial list of components, December 2018:

2-Phenoxyethanol
Albumin, Bovine
Albumin, Bovine Serum
Albumin, Calf Serum
Albumin, Calf Serum Protein
Albumin, Egg (Ovalbumin)
Albumin, Fetal Bovine Serum
Albumin, Human
Albumin, Human Serum
Aluminum
Amino Acid
Ammonium Sulfate
Amphotericin B
Ascorbic Acid
Barium
Benzethonium Chloride
Beta-Propiolactone
Bovine Casein
Bovine Extract
Bovine, Casamino Acid
Calcium Carbonate
Calcium Chloride
Carbohydrates
Chick Embryo
Chick Fibroblasts
Chlortetracycline
Citric Acid Monohydrate
CTAB
Dextrose
D-glucose
Dimethyl-beta-cyclodextrin
DNA
DOPC
EDTA
Egg Protein
Ferric (III) Nitrate
Formaldehyde

~just thru the Fs. Thimerosal is in the Ts.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/components-Excipients.htm

Awen
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Awen
4 years ago

Yes it is time for a new conversation recognizing the benefits and the risks, both of which which are very real. There seems to be a hysterical rejection of any attempt to question vaccine policy, and to shut down/censor the same. The new mandate in California for requiring the entire CDC schedule of shots in order to attend school is draconian and extreme. It seems to me that our bodies have become a commodity, and in this are being exploited by corporate Pharma. Not sure I believe in a depopulation conspiracy, but I do believe in corporate greed.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Awen

/”. It seems to me that our bodies have become a commodity, and in this are being exploited by corporate Pharma.”/

This 10 min. video compares cows to us. It explains just what you said.

How To Leave The Government Farm
https://bit.ly/2NfDtPt

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Awen

The pharmaceutical industry make more from children getting the disease they do from vaccines. https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/the-myth-of-big-pharma-vaccine-profits-updated/

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That’s called Full Spectrum dominance of the Market.

Kevin Hoover
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Kevin Hoover
4 years ago

Disappointed to see anti-scientific fear being projected here. This is equivalent to climate change denial.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Hoover

I’ll repeat what I said elsewhere Kevin. I’m sorry you feel that way. But this isn’t journalism. It’s providing space in an event calendar section of my website for opposing points of view.

I believe in free speech. I think you do also. If a section of the population isn’t allowed to talk about their ideas, then how can light shine on them.

Look at the robust debate here.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Unfortunately I think that the robust debate here is not nearly robust enough. There are a couple of important questions that are hard to hear above the hysteria.

One is, does scientific truth enable the society to enter the body of another and control its biological function? At what point? There are many questions that hinge on this basic idea. Circumcision? Female genital mutilation? I come down on the same side of both of those. Abortion if the fetus is viable, whose choice? Youth football? Headballs in soccer. Elective cosmetic surgery?

Do any other kinds of truth allow the arrest and coercion of a citizen? Simple moral truth? Does the fact that an individual action impacts the collective well being allow coercion? Forced sterilization? Eugenics? Who determines the benefit and harm to children? The state? In all cases? The best scientific knowledge of the moment? Who assumes responsibility if the current knowledge proves to be limited in some unknown way? The coercing parties? The state as a whole? Those who profited from the coercive act?

What do we really know and what do we think we know and where are our tests of the limits of that knowledge? Who is permitted to enter into the debate and on what terms?

I think the evidence of negative ecosystem change from fossil fuel exploitation is overwhelming and nearly conclusive. I’d put climate change into that basket as highly probable but poorly understood and marginally predictable. All of the behaviors that impact that change, its harms and risks, are external behaviors. I don’t really care what people believe about it because almost all of the choices that impact it are collective choices. And yet I am reluctant to use force to “convince” people to get off of the damn airplane (which has a massive fossil fuel footprint). Am I “anti-scientific” because I’m not ready to use force. Good then, I’m anti scientific.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

Hear here! and Bravo! i say. Well done!

Bushytails
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Bushytails
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I don’t know how others use your site, but I didn’t see any mention of this being in an event section, or in any other section…

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails
Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

If you look at the front page, there are sections–crime, news, Handfuls of Home, etc. This is in CHECK THIS OUT. I’m wondering how to make this more apparent to people. But press releases are already in yellow with a green stripe down the side to make them stand out as not impartial reports. And there is press release info at the top.

Vaccinate your kids?
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Vaccinate your kids?
4 years ago

Chad White, thank you for your well-informed, clearly stated, scientifically sound response. It is rare in this forum.
I believe in vaccinating our kids. Traveling in developing countries one sees the living proof of their efficacy. Once you’ve seen someone with polio, smallpox, cholera or even the more benign illnesses like measles and whooping cough you can have little doubt why we need to vaccinate our kids. Why was polio eradicated in this country, and many others was because a vaccine was developed! Do you really want to risk your child getting polio because you went on vacation to Kenya?
My own daughter was not vaccinated against pertussis (whooping cough)as I bought the lie that the vaccine could cause serious harm. She got whooping cough when she was in pre-school. My little 3 year old hacked until she threw up for nearly six months. Do you think I regretted not vaccinating her for pertussis? I was a dreadful time, and fortunately did not lead to permanent damage. Others are not so ‘lucky’ and have had broken ribs from coughing so much. One (according to the CDC) study of babies and small children reported

1 out of 4 (23%) get pneumonia (lung infection)
1 out of 100 (1.1%) will have convulsions (violent, uncontrolled shaking)
3 out of 5 (61%) will have apnea (slowed or stopped breathing)
1 out of 300 (0.3%) will have encephalopathy (disease of the brain)
1 out of 100 (1%) will die

And this disease is still prevalent, I think mostly because of the anti-vaxxers’ insane conclusions. And why are so many vaccines now required? Because there are new ones to prevent even more awful diseases, or stronger ones that can help even more of the population. I am also infuriated by people who refuse to vaccinate their kids, but send them to school with these phony “exemptions” meanwhile exposing the rest of our kids to these harmful diseases. They can only get away with it because the rest of us see the sense in vaccinating.

This movie is another attempt to sway gullible people with the lies of the anti-vaxxer movement. As Chad describes so clearly, the people that made this film have been discredited time and time again, and yet people are still willing to believe its faulty conclusions and not walk away from this film.

And Kym. I believe you mean well, but publishing this anonymous article tends to suggest you believe its conclusions. Would you publish an article stating the opposite? Or one approving of the climate deniers, or the believers of animal cruelty, or such other controversial topics? I think not.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago

You think wrong about most of what you think I think….

First, this isn’t an article. It is an event listing. I would post an event listing for all of the above you think I wouldn’t except one that baldly stated it believed in torturing animals (It breaks my no advocating violence clause.)

I would gladly post a journalistic piece on vaccines in the journalism section of my website (my children are completely vaccinated.) I would have to be very much persuaded from my current position to allow an anti-vaccination piece in the journalism section. As a whole I think that is unlikely.

Allowing people to post events about things I don’t agree with happens multiple times a month. I don’t as a whole think my readers are children to be protected from bad ideas. I think we’re adults. And some of us will make bad decisions. But a larger majority of us will make good decisions if we are able to place bad ideas alongside good ideas and compare them.

Robust debate is what makes democracy work. Silencing voices we don’t agree with is for those who are not sure enough in their knowledge of a situation to calmly offer an opposing view.

The Creator
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The Creator
4 years ago

I find it amazing no one answers this question

“WHY CAN THE VACCINE COMPANIES NOT BE SUED?”

If a company makes a product and that product causes injury then why can you not sue or hold liable?

There HAS been injuries from vaccines this is fact.

Vaccines contain toxins (Fact)

Why so many chemicals on food and in water (This is why we are sick), the multi million pound roundup case anyone???

Mercury toxin (fact)
Aluminium toxin (fact)
Polysorbate 80 toxin (fact)
Formalyde toxin (fact) (excuse spelling)
Madin Darby Canine Kidney cells (look that one up, another fact, dog dna, sounds safe dont it considering cancer is mutations lol).
Lamb cell fibroblasts (fact).
Cow cell fibroblasts (fact).
Chicken cell cultures (fact)
last time I checked we was human???
I can go on but my time is needed elsewhere.

Please prove me wrong???

I couldnt give two shits if they work or not they have neurotoxins in them.

Take a tour of Porton Down uk they got some great new dieseses being lined up (oh wait you cant go in to this building without top granted access, new types of sepsis anyone (yup you heard it here first.

Central HumCo
Guest
Central HumCo
4 years ago

An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. –Jefferson

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

“As new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. ”

“Malice will always find bad motives for good actions. Shall we therefore never do good?”

Oh, and more of the quote you gave ” An enemy generally sais and believes what he wishes, and your enemies particularly are not those who are most in the councils of Congress, nor the best qualified to tell what Congress will do. ” Like Thomas Jefferson said, those not in the council of Congress are not qualified to judge. So who is not “in the council of Congress” and should not be believed?

Central HumCo
Guest
Central HumCo
4 years ago
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~hey thanks, Guest. I’ve not seen the rest of that quote before.

//”So who is not “in the council of Congress” and should not be believed?”//

That’s a mixed question. When Jefferson was talkin about Congress he wasn’t referring to a today’s corporate congress. Neither are they the judicial judging branch. “It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.”

K. M.
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K. M.
4 years ago

Appalled that you are providing free publicity to this fundraiser. This is irresponsible journalism and beneath you.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  K. M.

I’m sorry you feel that way. But this isn’t journalism. It’s providing space in an event calendar section of my website for opposing points of view. I believe in free speech.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

***The new mandate in California for requiring the entire CDC schedule of shots in order to attend school is draconian and extreme. It seems to me that our bodies have become a commodity, and in this are being exploited by corporate Pharma. Not sure I believe in a depopulation conspiracy, but I do believe in corporate greed***

I appreciate those words and the pushback that you are experiencing.

talk about getting flak over a target.

Km
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Km
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sorry to say I think you are confused about free speech and fake news. I won’t be supporting your site.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Km

~that makes me say i’ll be putting a m.o. in the mail to Kym tomorrow. Kym and i may disagree on many things, but i applaud and support her. You’re not going to find a treasure like Redheaded Blackbelt anywhere else.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Km

Right on Km,

Posting shit like this and coping out with “belief of free speech” is not a treasure.

It’s a mistake in judgement.

Kym has the power to not post it, and she can feel happy about Alex Jones posting it instead.

Right next to the fake school shootings section.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

195 comments later with vigorous debate on both sides—I feel good about my decision to let the community converse about a situation instead of imposing my ideas and silencing people who think differently.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

So, Chad White is laying it down for rational debate.

Please tell me, since your reading them and so supportive, who is posting the best opposing arguement, so I can find them without reading about Sherri Tenpenny and the likes of Jones’ guests who think germs dont exist, and other delusional nonsense.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

https://kymkemp.com/2019/11/03/are-vaccines-really-as-safe-and-effective-as-weve-been-told-asks-documentary/#comment-880168

del bigtree has a great talk TRB.

IT’S NOT ANTI VAX, IT’S JUST PRO TRANSPARENCY and do the rigorous studies like for drugs.

it’s really hard to believe you are ok with no liability for a product that is FORCED ONTO THE POPULATION.

that’s as irresponsible as it gets

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

I’m asking Kym.

You support quacks and quackery and if you think I take what you say in any seriousness, you’re mistsken.

I highly doubt Kym will answer, because there is no debate going on.

There is fear mongering and then there’s Chad White.

But I haven’t seen debate here; Kym has.

I’d like it pointed out.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

[edit]

you want to bash people who believed in vaccines and then are dealing with injured children for the rest of their lives.

its quite irresponsible of you to speak the way you do, considering you can vaccinate yourself and your dog all you want, but refuse to consider the parents who have vaccinated, and can only receive 250k max for injury or death.

there needs to be liability for the manufacturerers.

Clean the vaccines.

make the testing more rigorous and transparent.

https://youtu.be/bM8IXClDd58

Judy Mikovits, Biochemist: Fired, & Jailed W/out Due Process For Speaking Truth Re: Vaccines.

there’s plenty of people who want a better product for the kids.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
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sinbadofsohum
Guest
sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

del bigtree isn’t anti vax either, he just wants accountability.

you can’t compete with the PR spin machine that makes Hollywood look like elementary school for propaganda.

look at his talk

The Irrefutable Argument Against Vaccine Safety – with Author Del Bigtree

https://youtu.be/RJh3TiCFJH4

there are some very clever minds telling you to ignore the pain and suffering for the greater good.

transparent and liable for their products.

Vaccinated vs unvaccinated

@62:35

The Real Brian
Guest
The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thanks Kym,

But two people who agree with each other on a subject is not a debate.

Both Guest and Chad White are against this movie’s intention.

I thought I missed some important discussion, but apparently not.

Great Job Chad White!

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

What I am understanding from your position posted so far is that you believe that being anti vaccination is such a bad idea that there is no defense of it and no one should be allowed to post anything about it that is positive.

But if I allow a discussion and no one comes up with a position defending anti vaccination that most people think is compelling, isn’t that what in the end a discussion often does? One side proves more compelling to more people. To me, that is what allowing discussion does…ideally, with discussion comes the realization for most people that one side does have better ideas.

But if no discussion is allowed, then we’ll never know if one side is actually more accurate, will we?

(Also, I think those who spoke up about the better way to encourage vaccinations than duct-taping people’s mouths shut for fear they might have something to say was interesting. I find the fear and anger being directed at anti vaxxers is oppressive.)

The Real Brian
Guest
The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

No, you misunderstand my position.

And I dont believe anything.

I know you posted bad propaganda.

I know your mistaken in thinking your a champion of free speech for promoting propaganda.

I know the people who made this movie are thoroughly discredited.

I know they rely on your posting this propaganda to crowdsource more money, for more propaganda.

I know that if you hadn’t posted it, no one would be worse off.

I know all this.

I’m not confused or in any belief system.

I know this was a fuck-up on RHBB.

I know there is no debate here.

If you truly want an educated debate on vaccine use, study and present an article.

Don’t feed us these thoroughly discredited people who claim to be professionals, backed by the naievativity of bloggers like yourself.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

And I’m comfortable allowing people of a variety of positions on issues to post events on my website.

We’ll have to disagree on this, Brian.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yes, we will.

“Having positions” and promoting propaganda by discredited disinformationalists are two entirely different discussions.

On with the new day.

I hope your doing well, otherwise.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Although I know vaccinations save many more lives than they take or damage, I also know that they do take or damage some lives. I also think that truculence meeting truculence keeps those who think vaccinations are absolutely necessary from acknowledging the fears of users and addressing them.

Some people are always going to be made angry by being coerced into vaccinating- largely irrationally but with a small measure of truth. The ones who need these discussions are those who hear rumors and innuendos that they see being suppressed by coercion lest they think there must be some truth being suppressed. The irrational ideas can not be suppressed, just forced underground, and the attempt makes it seem like they are more important than they are.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Trying to find a way to address disonformational propaganda (DP) is important though, right?

I’m sure your aware of the real danger of D.P.

Whether it is to individuals
or groups, or a society.

A logical and reasonable thing for Kym to do was not post it.

Why?

It meets no criteria for an event.

No one local is named as responsible, and there is no event, so it’s not a local event.

Her not posting is not “limiting speech”.

Her not posting it is using good judgement regarding blatant fundraising efforts for DP.

That would not be suppression, that is choice, which is a freedom that is just as paramount as speech.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Dammit.

I would edit the above to disinclude the last sentence.

Rapine
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Rapine
4 years ago

If you think overpopulation is the main source of our troubles would you rather have nature fix the problem or an Orwellian force? How many think we can (or should) overcome the natural cycles of decay through the power of science?

I see it like this. My ancestors lived through the hells of the Black Death and then the Spanish Flu. We’re always told that we are overdue for another mass pandemic. Is it possible that these mass cullings are nature’s way of rebalancing ecosystems? Seems to me we are kicking the can down the road. “Nature finds a way” as they say, and the higher our population the worse the effects of a pandemic are going to be. If half of us died in a new pandemic I wonder what would happen to our civilization.

I see parallels between our artificial populations and the artificial soil (requiring chemical fertilizers) in which most of our food is grown. Bill Gates & his foundation are invested in current vaccination tech as well as Monsanto. So much food is grown on dead soil, likewise so many people are grown in sterile environments. It seems like we are in a dystopian novel already. One of the biggest arguments for vaccination is the idea of “herd immunity”. We are more of a herd than a people when we are discouraged from investigating alternatives. It is logical to question accepted norms in such an objectively sick society.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Rapine

OMNICIDE: MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU THINK WANT TO DESTROY HUMANITY

https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/omnicide-more-people-than-you-think-want-to-destroy-humanity_11032019

“Some groups, such as the Gaia Liberation Front (GLF), an ecoterrorist group, want everyone dead. GLF says that their mission is “the total liberation of the Earth, which can be accomplished only through the extinction of the Humans as a species.” In advocating this, they argue that “if any Humans survive, they may start the whole thing over again. Our policy is to take no chances.””

Rapine
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Rapine
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I know of “Deep Green Resistance” which is openly anti-civilization yet not anti-human. That’s some pretty disturbing stuff. Thanks for the link

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

of people truly valued freedom of choice and life over pain and suffering, they might look at the history of war and the unenviable body count from DEMOCIDE.

“the gift that keeps on giving ”

until then, it’s just like

Roe Vs Wade

my body, my choice. ..

only when it’s convenient…to kill another life.

there’s some dark implications to an inverted reality forced by a religious like dogma to a rigidly held belief that history can be ignored.

this is the epitome of feeding Christians to the lions.

it was great entertainment…

apparently, it’s making a comeback?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
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“synchronization ”

I was just sent this link by a friend who works in finance.

“The only reason public pensions are an issue of public concern is because of the costs they impose on taxpayers,” explained Transparent California Executive Director Robert Fellner.

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/almost-80000-california-retirees-receive-over-100000-pension-pay

now imagine what cost of injured children will be put on the tax payers.

https://youtu.be/RJh3TiCFJH4

this del big tree talk was straight to the heart of what is wrong with the mandatory vaccine agenda.

if there’s any question about “the science” after this, people are clueless.

it’s a deeper agenda that we can only connect thru a thorough look into the history of medical experimentation in this country and all over the world.

we don’t have the same doctors as Ruth Bader Ginsburg, so we will have to figure out how to dodge the bullets like the matrix.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Rapine

If your vision is limited to the two options of disease culling the weak or a conspiracy of villains doing it, then you might think nature is the better choice. It certainly removes responsibility from being a burden. But you might question that idea if you notice that, while death is a serious handicap to a person, it is not the only one.
Chronic diseases from hook worms to the plague drive society itself into massive failure, leaving a trail of impaired people as a burden to everyone else.

The third alternative is not to choose either of those options but seek self restraint versus restraint by disease whether inflicted or natural. The answer to the question about what would happen after a virulent pandemic is answered by historical records. Very simply it is that the laborer becomes more valuable because of shortages, land and houses more easily acquired, people breed like rabbits and the disproportionate number of young people creates violence, wars and aggression. After 300 years, opportunities for taking resources gradually settle down and society gets more stable. I wonder if the flu pandemic of 1917 lead in this way, in a minor manner, to WWWII which in turn lead to subsequent aggressions that are only now damping down. A thought already thought by someone I’m sure.

stunned
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stunned
4 years ago
Reply to  Rapine

“It seems like we are in a dystopian novel already.”

Yep

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Rapine

CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.

it’s simply using the disaster capitalism model for making money in good times and bad times.

you can make money in the stock market going up and going down.

the only concern is whether or not the next pandemic will be a controlled event with a road map and detailed instructions.

like the fema photo/VIDEOgrapher, being called out to NYC https://youtu.be/KgQL1QbT48M

Central HumCo
Guest
Central HumCo
4 years ago

April 29, 2016
There’s A Plan For Human Population Control – Is It Vaccines?
By Catherine J. Frompovich

Is there a concentrated plan actively in place to reduce the human population on Planet Earth?

What a question to ask! However, according to a March 2016 paper by Kevin Galalae published in the journal Epidemiology: Open Access titled “Turning Nature against Man: The Role of Pandemics, Vaccines and Genetics in the UN’s Plan to Halt Population Growth” [1], Galalae sets out in his 16-page article what’s been going on and summarized in the paper’s Conclusion, in part:

All epidemics and pandemics of the past 30 years are fabrications of the UN system and its partners in crime at the national level for the purpose of lowering births below the magic line of replacement level fertility and, more recently, also for limiting life to an economically acceptable and environmentally sustainable age. [2]

Galalae goes on to conclude:

The strategy of depopulation has evolved and has been accelerated and amplified. Having exposed the covert chemical, biological, psychosocial and economic methods of population control, and having destroyed our governments’ cover of secrecy, we have shut down their ability to commit genocide by turning man against man through the misuse of the institutions of state, concealment of vital information, abuse of the rule of law, perversion of science, falsification of facts, misappropriation of public funds, and the debasement of executive powers. [2]

While THIS information below probably is the most disturbing of Galalae’s conclusions:
The strategy of depopulation has evolved and has been accelerated and amplified. Having exposed the covert chemical, biological, psychosocial and economic methods of population control, and having destroyed our governments’ cover of secrecy, we have shut down their ability to commit genocide by turning man against man through the misuse of the institutions of state, concealment of vital information, abuse of the rule of law, perversion of science, falsification of facts, misappropriation of public funds, and the debasement of executive powers. [2]

While THIS information below probably is the most disturbing of Galalae’s conclusions:

Vaccines now represent the newest battle line between the 1% and the 99% and between international and individual prerogatives. In the 21st century it is the needle not the bomb that causes death and disease at an unimaginable scale and at an unpredictable cost to the genetic endowment of mankind.

But although the weapon has changed the goal remains the same, to stop and reverse our numbers so that by the end of the 21st century everybody will live just as long, just as sterile, and just as sick.

https://www.activistpost.com/2016/04/theres-a-plan-for-human-population-control-is-it-vaccines.html

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

^^^ sorry for the double paragraph.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

crickets

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo
Central HumCo
Guest
Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

That was like excellent, excellent, sos. Lots of verified knowledge, It should be a mandatory “Watch This” and spread far and wide.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Most of it is not very logical and keep creating unreasonable demands. Not understanding does not make something wrong.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Let’s keep it simple.

Address the corruption, the conflicts of interest, and

Remove the Liability for all mandated vaccines.

Bushytails
Guest
Bushytails
4 years ago

This guy gives a really good talk about pseudoscience, and he gives some variation of it several times a year. It talks about anti-vaccination arguments as well as other bullshit, and nicely explains how Wakefield originally intended to profit off his lies.

Here’s a link to the Wakefield section from a random one of his talks:
https://youtu.be/X4dhaPbPOps?t=2234

But you might want to watch the whole thing if you have the time:
https://youtu.be/X4dhaPbPOps

(I just picked a random one of his talks, there’s at least 20 of them on youtube if you want more. Search for “Uncle Kage Pseudoscience”)

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago

https://physiciansforinformedconsent.org/pic-letter-to-the-department-of-health-and-human-services-hhs-on-developing-the-2020-national-vaccine-plan/

PIC Letter to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) on Developing the 2020 National Vaccine Plan
Tammy R. Beckham, Director
Office of Infectious Disease and HIV/AIDS Policy (OIDP), Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health, Office of the Secretary, Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)

October 24, 2019

RE: Request for Information (RFI) From Non-Federal Stakeholders: Developing the 2020 National Vaccine Plan

Dear Dr. Beckham,

We believe the top priority for the 2020 National Vaccine Plan should be to clearly quantify the risk of infectious diseases versus the risk of their respective vaccines, in order to enhance informed decision-making by consumers and health care providers. The reason this priority is important to us is because we have found critical calculation errors in government memorandums about infectious disease risk in the United States, including the Supplementary Information provided in the “Request for Information (RFI) From Non-Federal Stakeholders: Developing the 2020 National Vaccine Plan.”1

For example, a calculation error which occurred in the House Committee on Energy & Commerce Memorandum2 for the hearing on “Confronting a Growing Public Health Threat: Measles Outbreaks in the U.S” is that “One or two deaths occur among every 1,000 children who acquire measles.” The second paragraph in the Memorandum contains evidence of the error. It explains that prior to the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963, “there were an estimated 3 to 4 million people infected with measles in the United States, and as many as 500 related deaths each year,” which is correct. However, this computes to a number of deaths which, at most, is one in 6,000 (3,000,000 divided by 500). More precisely, between 1959 and 1962, about 400 measles deaths occurred annually among about 4,000,000 measles cases, which results in a one in 10,000 (0.01%) chance of a child dying from measles, not one in 500 or one in 1,000. By comparison, over 23,000 infant deaths occur every year in the U.S. and thus the chance of a child dying in his or her first year of life is currently one in 170 (0.6%)12 – this is 60 times the risk of a child dying from measles in 1962, a time period when almost every child had measles by age 15.4

The reason this calculation error unfortunately commonly occurs is because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) publishes case-fatality rates based on the number of reported cases only. And, since it is estimated that nearly 90% of measles cases are benign and therefore not reported to the CDC, the widely publicized measles case-fatality rate is a 10-fold miscalculation.4 Such an error has grave public health consequences.

Information available on total measles pre-vaccine cases (both reported and unreported to the CDC) in comparison with today’s leading causes of death in children under age 10,4 and the risks of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine,5 are enclosed. Please carefully review these documents, as well as Dr. Alexander Langmuir’s 1962 article “The Importance of Measles as a Public Health Problem” where he explained, “…in the United States measles is a disease whose importance is not to be measured by total days disability or number of deaths.”6 This latter contradicts the estimated $20,000 cost per measles case quoted in the “Request for Information (RFI) From Non-Federal Stakeholders: Developing the 2020 National Vaccine Plan.”1 Dr. Langmuir became director of the epidemiology branch of the Communicable Disease Center in 1949 and held the position for over 20 years, during a time when about 4,000,000 cases of measles occurred each year.

Another error in the Memorandum is in the prevention and response section where it is suggested that no treatments are available for measles. In rare situations, such as vitamin A deficiency or a compromised immune system, measles can be severe and even deadly, if left untreated. In those situations, high-dose vitamin A, immune globulin, and ribavirin are indicated and available.4,7-9 Therefore, the vaccination of others is not necessary in order to protect immunocompromised persons from severe measles, or other infections,10 and coercing such action would be highly unethical and unscientific.

Finally, the Memorandum states that “CDC has determined that receiving the MMR vaccine is safer than getting any of the viruses,” however this has not been scientifically demonstrated and rational doubt will continue to be raised about the MMR vaccine until a safety study with the statistical power to detect permanent injury from the vaccine in 1 in 10,000 vaccinated subjects is produced.5 Additionally, in 2017, we reported in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that every year an estimated 5,700 U.S. children (approximately 1 in 640) suffer febrile seizures from the first dose of the MMR vaccine – which is five times more than the number of febrile seizures expected from measles.11 This amounts to 57,000 febrile seizures over the past 10 years due to the MMR vaccine alone. As 5% of children with a history of febrile seizures progress to epilepsy, a debilitating and life-threatening chronic condition, the estimated number of children whose epilepsy is due to the MMR vaccine in the past 10 years is 2,850.

Infant mortality rate (IMR) is a recognized major indicator of the health of a population, not the number of measles cases nor the number of vaccination exemptions.12 For example, West Virginia and Mississippi, which only allow state public health officers to approve medical exemptions to vaccination have about double the IMR of California. And Massachusetts and Washington have a lower IMR than California, even while allowing non-medical exemptions.13 This means that laws limiting vaccination exemptions are unlikely to improve public health – and may worsen it.

We urge you to thoroughly discuss the errors and facts we have highlighted with your epidemiologists and statisticians, so that the 2020 National Vaccine Plan does not contain misinformation or threaten public health.

We are here to assist you.

Sincerely,

Shira Miller, M.D.
President
Physicians for Informed Consent

References

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/09/24/2019-20415/request-for-information-rfi-from-non-federal-stakeholders-developing-the-2020-national-vaccine-plan
https://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/files/documents/OI%20Briefing%20Memo_Hearing%20on%20Measles%20Outbreak_2019.02.27_final.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db293.htm
https://www.physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/dis
https://www.physiciansforinformedconsent.org/measles/vrs
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1522578/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23629813
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22480102
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7008941
https://www.physiciansforinformedconsent.org/immunocompromised-schoolchildren
https://www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j5104/rr-13
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/infantmortality.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/infant_mortality_rates/infant_mortality.htm

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

~i R-e-a-l-l-y like that it’s from “Non-Federal Stakeholders”. Cheers and gratitude.

~unless you/me/we can understand our individual status in relation to the government and the legal premises, legal history, and legal foundations that are behind the scenes, then NOTHING will solve any problem we face. The enemy is our own ignorance of the law, not governments, courts, or the legal profession. It is hypocritical and selfish to expect any government, any court, or any member of the legal profession to protect us if we don’t know who we are. The harassment and abuses are of ignorant or presumptuous people who refuse to do their homework.

Fraud in its elementary common law sense of ascent – and this is one of the meanings that fraud bears [483 U.S. 372] in the statute, see United States v. Dial, 757 F2d 163, 168 (7th Cir. 1985) – includes the deliberate concealment of material information in a setting of fiduciary obligation. A public official is a fiduciary toward the public, including, in the case of a judge, the litigants who appear before him, and if he deliberately conceals material information from them, he is guilty of fraud. When a judge is busily soliciting loans from counsel to one party, and not telling the opposing counsel (let alone the public), he is concealing material information in violation of his fiduciary obligations.” [McNally v. United States 483 U.S. 350 (1987)]

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

Kym, I am glad you published this event. Like it or not, Agree or not, these Ideas are out there! The only way to clarify the position is to bring it to light to debate it, or possibly debunk it if necessary! Also, IMO, what if.. just what if say something did go wrong with vaccine world? Wouldn’t we want to know about it? I am not Anti-Vac, I am not pro-vac. Last time this conversation was brought up, I shared my experience with my dog developing a major health complication right after a multi-vaccine. My dog was completely healthy before the vaccine, and in research, I discovered that Vaccines can cause the disorder my dog had! So, I am a little Leary of vaccines, and I don’t think the information should ever be shut down. Let people make up thier own minds for thier family, and maintain their own biological identity! I know I would not ever vaccinate without doing a lot of research now, But, I still lean in favor of actually vaccinating regardless..

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4 years ago
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Choose your vaccinations. Get Kosher vaccines if you do (it’s also the best choice for airline food but don’t fly because of the outrageous fossil fuel footprint), they contain fewer extra ingredients and less toxic ones at that. Think about the hype in each set of statements, things like “99% of fatalities for this disease are in children under 2.” Perhaps that would lead to not vaccinating after 2. Consider the contagion and risks to others, not just your own health. But also consider the side effects. Some vaccinations carry risk of contagion, especially through feces or intimate exposure. Many don’t. This changes over time and the information also changes.
Many countries use the Polio Vaccine that tends toward collective immunity, the live vaccine. The US does not.
Travel is a great spreader of disease organisms. Look at the origins of the outbreaks- Disneyland has been the epicenter of several of the Measles outbreaks with no attempt by the state to control the visits to Disneyland of residents from other countries where measles outbreaks are in progress. Quarantine your self or your family after a visit if you feel any symptoms,
If you live in a place with horse shit and suffer a deep puncture wound with minimal ability to clean the wound, consider a tetanus booster.
Examine the shifting data on the Shingles Vaccine and recognize that it is largely ineffective or even worse after you’ve had shingles (which is a revisit of the Chicken Pox Virus). If you have a shingles outbreak quarantine yourself.
Read the effectiveness data on each and every flu vaccine in every year and consider not getting it. Again be kind to your vulnerable neighbors; help them out when they have the flu so that they can stay home and get well. Prepare yourself and stay home once you get it.
As I’ve said here before, my research showed that the best preventative for rabies after an uncertain bite is really fine wound care. I chose that method rather than the series of shots. Do your own research and asses the risk yourself on the rabies shots. I think there’s a neurotic desire by the medical community to replay “Louis Pasteur’s Greatest Hits.”
I vaccinate my pets against parvo and rabies out of an abundance of caution.
The killing of cats (to discourage witches and witchcraft) and the rise of shit filled poor hygiene cities helped cause the massive plagues of Europe.
Oh, and the Smallpox Vaccine was a total winner. Hasn’t been as clear a winner since. Read about it and compare the rest.

Small Fry
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4 years ago
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Thanks b. That’s a lot of good info! I vaccinate my pets against rabies, and parvovirus still as well. But, I am much more conscious about it these days.. They killed the cats? Wow. That’s crazy, I didn’t know that! Do they even make the smallpox vaccine still? I wasn’t aware it was available. Smallpox is a horrible disease. George Washington basically inoculated his troops against it using the live virus, in a bold attempt to save his troops, and it worked! Not a hundred percent, but to a greater degree, it basically saved his troops! A bit of info I just learned..

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4 years ago
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Smallpox Vaccine- still available, no longer needed. But, since there is no public controversy regarding its need or use you can get a real good look at the history of vaccination and the complexities of the questions by reading the ENTIRE Wikipedia article:
“The word “vaccine” is derived from Variolae vaccinae (i.e. smallpox of the cow), the term devised by Jenner to denote cowpox. . .”
Its a long article but read it down to and through the “History” section. A long read but gives a broad understanding of the pro’s and cons. I love the part where the Chinese (long ago) blew the dust of Smallpox scabs up the noses of the wealthy (an earlier form of immune rigging). The death rates for this procedure were 2% or less so it was practiced as a “preventative.” I wonder if it was mandatory?
Also look up “Eczema vaccinatum” to get an idea why people are afraid of “side effects.”

In general: everyone wants this to be simple; it’s not. I’ve summarized some of my thinking about a complex question. It’s complex because it’s about a living system. There is no straight line action in a living system. There are a bunch of countervailing forces that tend toward a dynamic equilibrium. The math is called CHAOS THEORY and that’s really apt. Things are stable because there are enough components that are unstable.
People want things to be simple so they use terms like VECTOR to describe a cause of a disease, which in physics mean the direction and and intensity of a motion. The ball goes from here to there. A vector. Diseases don’t travel like that. The germ theory of disease describes a PART of the life process but the idea in everybody’s mind is different from the process. A lot of the other factors also play a part: genetics, environmental factors including weather, immune history, maybe even a set of factors so small in their magnitude and great enough in their collective effects that we should just call them “CHANCE”.

I research and make my best estimation. My understanding of the details is just my understanding. Do your own research. Don’t just believe; THINK.

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4 years ago
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Tottally b. The perspective held by many Of A+B=C is a very linear frame of thinking, when in fact, the world we live in is inherently multifaceted, and composed of extremely complex, interconnected, varietal systems and relations.

Seems like the more we know, the less we have learned!
In our efforts to simplify these complex equations, (often for our own comfort and precieved well being) in many instances causes more complexities, and further complications.. to put it in terms, it is simply complex!

..But yet, there is something to the simplicity.. Like cow pox being the inoculate against small pox.. The butterfly effects are often subtle, not necessarily dismiss-able.

Wow! That is crazy about the Chinese inoculations! So glad sometimes for modren technology! That makes shots sound not so entirely bad! Lol

The variability of Chance definitely is a large factor! From Immunity to pathogens, to differences in reactions to vaccines.. Humans have a huge variety in their biology from genetics or environment to the microbiome carried in each of us. No doubt Reactions can be different from individual to individual! And only a parent can understand and relate to what those individual characteristics and influences may be.. that’s another reason why I support people having the choice to not immunize.

And part of sometimes understanding a disease and it’s ability to relinquish damage, is not only inherent by the germ or virus it’s self, but the outside influences often nourishing those diseases..

Take many indigenous tribes for example, many who ate a traditional diet all around the world had perfect teeth, and very few cavities. Or that actually many people in devoping countries, actually don’t suffer the extremely high cancer, diabetes, or heart disease rates that Americans do, largely because they don’t eat a diet of largely overly processed foods.. but of course, Chemo therapy, and pharmaceuticals are big industries, so they would rather push pills, then address the larger paradigm!

But often stuff like that is over looked in our health systems as it seems largely reactionary to epidemics, as apposed to asking what may be causing the epidemics and bad health in the first place. However People, and doctors seem to be applying more and more holistic measures twards better prevention!

Thinking is GREAT.. I wish more people would try it! With the digital and information sharing economy, it’s now easier then ever to research almost anything instantly! Us humans have applied our own self interest in an explosion of profitable information networks, that thrive off of inclusion and being open to all… truly ingenious! It definitely pays to take advantage of these open networks of information and apply them to clearer thinking and better more informed decisions, especially when it comes to our children’s health and longevity! Good thoughts b.

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4 years ago
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Thanks, you too.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

//”Some vaccinations carry risk of contagion”//

Vaccines shed for up to 30 days after injection. Yeah, out in the public spreading the very sickness they got injected for.

Read the ingredients label on each and every vaccine. Seriously, who in their right mind would say, “Hey, i feel like i need some aluminum, mercury, DNA and monkey virus today”

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4 years ago
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it’s obvious that people want nazi style forced medication, when what we are standing up against is the lack of accountability and financial liability for a product that maims and kills.

I’ve seen first hand the pain and suffering from a vaccine injured child, and anyone tells me I have to put any more unknown substances inside my kid, will realize ….

there is a line that will not be crossed.

people can feed their kids garbage, and let them be exposed to any number of toxins and pesticides and alcohol and drug abuse, but vaccines will not make the world a better place.

medical tyranny was also addressed by the founders.

apparently, people think the nazis, were the evil of the earth, but these medical practices are no different than unethical human experimentation performed by the Nazis, in their pursuit of the key to buildinga superior race, while exterminating another.

this is a war, and our children were never meant a to be couped up with so many sick people in the name of forced schooling.

this society has lost its moral compass, and we will begin to see reality turned on its head, just to keep our strength in our own minds, bodies, and spirits ,..constantly competing for that freedom, taking back our sovereignty from those who believe they know better.

the professor and the madman.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~the Legal “Practice” of mediSin, and the Legal “Practice” of law could only be administered by those who don’t know. T.H.E.Y. are “Practicing”.

Freedom cannot exist in an Administrative form of government. Freedom exists in the private realm, it’s not even a valid fantasy in the Public domain.

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4 years ago
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then what of the public private partnership?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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ha, ha.

SmallFry
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4 years ago
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That’s truth Sos, Medical Tyranny should never be stood for. It’s a simular issue with raw milk. Many claim it is much better and has awsome immune inhancing benefits, such as help for Alergies. However raw milk is illegal to produce on a commercial scale, I believe. Yet, people find sources of raw milk all the time..
However, I personally would actually be skeptical about where and who I purchased raw milk from, I actually do not believe modren AG can produce raw milk safely on a large agricultural scale. For raw milk to be produced properly it must be on a very clean small scale.. Even most of our fruit juice is “pasturized” these days.. odd.

A lot of evidence is coming out that our immune systems are comprised from the “Sterility” of modren Agricultural.. Our immune systems apperantly need a dose Of the “bad” organisms to keep it healthy, and functioning properly.. For example, Pet Alergies are much less likely in Adults from people who had pets as kids…

It is very lame that Vaccine companies are now immune to lawsuits, that makes me even more skeptical of vaccines.

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Nice Marmot
4 years ago

Thanks Kym

Autism's Good
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Autism's Good
4 years ago

If you want to have the shit scare out of you watch this interview with Peter Hotez. He makes vaccines. His kid has autism and he appears to like autism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dodsGp37M50

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4 years ago
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Joe Rogan interview. It’s gotta be great. By your comment warning of scare, i think i’ll pass. I can only imagine the delusion of ‘liking’ autism – Oh My God! This one needs a big L in the middle of his forehead.

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Central HumCo
4 years ago

A-I, sos. I keep repeating that we’re not short on intelligence . . . we just gotta move the genius mind into the “Do” action mode. Which scares me if it comes on too fast and the peeps are still sitting on the edge of their bed – up, but not fully awake.

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4 years ago

Please Watch:
-DNA in vaccine danger:
https://youtu.be/Mfq4HuWworQ

-The Irrefutable Argument Against Vaccine Safety:
https://youtu.be/RJh3TiCFJH4

-Dr. James Neuenschwander:
https://youtu.be/Aj8kZ3DmaXg

Questions:
-Can we make vaccines safer for our children? Would you go to the doctor and start 8 prescriptions drugs on the same day, or would you take one drug at a time and wait a few days to make sure you tolerate it before you take the next drug and so forth? Why should our children be subjected to getting 8 viruses or 8 pharmaceutical products injected into them in one day?
2. Vaccines manufacturers make billions of dollars in profit each year with no liability, they can’t be sued, they have zero interest in taking out toxic ingredients like Aluminum and Thiomersal or doing additional safety tests to make vaccines safer. Do you think it’s fair for a mother to knowingly have someone inject toxic ingredients into her children?
-Do you think Mother’s of vaccine injured children deserve to be shunned and made fun of on social media for doing what society said is best for their children? SHAME ON YOU!
-Do you think the CDC one size fits all child vaccine schedule is the safest option for every single child being vaccinated?
-Can we make a single dose vaccine option and give children vaccines one at a time to increase the likelihood of vaccine hesitant parents to consider vaccination?
-Merck was sued for 4.85 billion for the drug Vioxx, they manipulated data to the FDA hiding that there product was causing people to have heart attacks, estimating 140,000 heart attacks resulting in an estimated 60,000 deaths. But you trust Merck to make most of our children’s vaccines with no liability?
-Can we come together as a society and make vaccines safer for our children and can we talk about it without being hateful?

It’s a much bigger debate than being pro-vaccination or anti-vaccination. I will vaccinate my children if the CDC works on vaccine safety! I refuse to feed my children shitty toxic food and refuse to inject them with shitty toxic fetal DNA laced vaccines!

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

Choice!

we need the freEdom to choose Life, without the unnecessary push to be a part of a billion dollar business that has little accountability.

socialize the losses

privatization of the profits.

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4 years ago
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many thanks for the links

“”There is a phrase in medical education which often gets aired at the welcoming lecture to medical school:

“50% of what we teach you over the next five years will be wrong, or inaccurate. Sadly, we don’t know which 50%”

https://blogs.bmj.com/pmj/2014/05/30/50-of-what-you-are-taught-is-wrong/

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4 years ago

//”Do you think it’s fair for a mother to knowingly have someone inject toxic ingredients into her children?”//

NO, of course not. The Moms don’t know.

I’ve been studying the vax-a-nations debauchery for as long as 20 years -input from my girlfriend w/autistic 22 year-old son. I consider the whole filthy process Satanic of the highest order. And these drug-pushers shouldn’t be walking the face of the Earth.

“Do No Harm” period

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4 years ago
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i prefer German philosopher Immanuel Kant’s deontological, or duty based, moral theory. According to Kant, individuals are not means to be used to justify an end, no matter how pleasing or far-reaching such an end may be. Individuals are “ends unto themselves.” In other words, we have value independent of our usefulness.

you can put that in your needle and internalize it.

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4 years ago
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~i’m trying to internalize the connect between my comment and your reply, sos

How about this? Yes the children of death-by-vaccination have more value independently than being jabbed for profit collectively.

sinbadofsohum
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4 years ago
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https://youtu.be/oxYU5GNngnk

there is humanity

there is hope

there is a path

but we must move our legs and our bodies to get there.

challenging entrenched belief systems that are duplicitous because of the PR spin that makes the wrongs look right.

justified, those that died. …

https://youtu.be/Fl-e2PM1ITM

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~the first video with the excellent Doctor speech is another one of those – must see. 15 mins.

Then, there’s Rage Against the Machine – which makes me want to …rage against the Machine.

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4 years ago
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“human trials are cheaper than chimp trials”

factor 8 blood scandal

this is one of many examples of who knows what, and when, and who bears the responsibility.

https://youtu.be/WjkoarmFoIY

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4 years ago
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You said it all with this:
socialize the losses
privatization of the profits.

ie; fascism

We are in the canabalisticK
phase of Kapitalism

manifested as vaccines
for just one of the many
facets of fascism

any spew spoken from one
alleged side
or the other
is under the spell
of the masters that make the rules
for the wise men AND the fools……….

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  stunned

higher ground gives perspective.

wisdom is learning from other people’s mistakes.

keep those wings spread

SmallFry
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4 years ago
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It is the CanabalistiK phase of Kanabalism! Kraziness! It’s the invasion of cultural commodification!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlN2o-Wrra8

sinbadofsohum
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4 years ago
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we think…in terms of buying and selling.

great post Small Fry

keep the sun in our face

keep the wind at our backs

keep the joy In our hearts

keep potential in the future.

keep the gratitude within reach

fighting for peace seems to take a good chunk of our time, brother.

cheers

sinbadofsohum
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4 years ago
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“being brave coping with life”

https://youtu.be/vdQDvLXLqiM

mosdef a mic drop moment

stunned
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stunned
4 years ago
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Commodification of consciousness…..

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
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While your reading the WaPo:

7 things about vaccines and autism that the movie ‘Vaxxed’ won’t tell you

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/25/7-things-about-vaccines-and-autism-that-the-movie-vaxxed-wont-tell-you/

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
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Brian,

the studies on vaccines are no where near as thorough or extensive because they are not labeled drugs.

we all want transparency and liability for products being forced on the children.

yet, you don’t have kids, so maybe you can go visit an injured child and their parents to ask them the difficult questions.

have some compassion for those struggling parents. they would appreciate some answers too.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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freeze, flight, feed, and reproduce.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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~i have nearly 20 years of downloads on this.

Dr. Marcia Angell, for 20 years, was the editor of the most prestigious medical journal in America.

On January 15, 2009, the NY Review of Books published Dr. Angell’s devastating assessment of medical literature:

“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” (Marcia Angell, MD, “Drug Companies and Doctors: A story of Corruption.” NY Review of Books, Jan. 15, 2009.)

The Real Brian
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4 years ago

Hey , Oliver and Kym-

When is this event?

Where is this event?

Who is the host of this event?

If you can’t answer these simple questions, can you sincerely call this an event?

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
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Brian, I’ve been clear. Oliver has nothing to do with this other than posting this at my direction. Stop calling him out or I will delete any comment that refers to him.

This is an event that a person who believes that vaccines are dangerous wants to bring to Humboldt. They are explaining why they want to do that. It was being held in McKinleyville on Wednesday, November 13 at 7 p.m. Tickets were $15. However the screening was canceled according to the page at the link.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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Gemfare’s scheduled November date in Eureka was cancelled too -where Dane Wigington has a booth for Geoengineering Weather Watch.

~mushrooms. Keep ’em in the dark and feed then plenty of sh!t.

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4 years ago
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So, essentially there is no “event” that this post refers too…

It’s just a donation button to a discredited anti-vaxxer movie?

Fun stuff.

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4 years ago
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there’s plenty of research Brian, by good doctors and scientists.

you just have to get past your own internal blockages.

all is not well in the land of milk and honey.

https://youtu.be/bM8IXClDd58

a quick 10 minute listen from Dr Judy Mikovits PhD.

if this doesn’t give you some perspective, nothing will.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian, there is a statement that if someone wanted to attend, the cost would be $15–just like many other events that state the prices. There doesn’t seem to be anything about a donation that I’m aware of. Could you clarify where there is a donation button?

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
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I can’t resist telling you though that if someone were having a fundraiser for anti vaxx causes, I’d allow them to post their event here, also.

sinbadofsohum
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4 years ago
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it’ simply what what we are being told, and whether the agenda is profit driven or for health and safety.

transparency and accountability is all people are asking for.

is that really too much?

do we need to further humiliate the injured and their families for asking for more answers.

it’s always been a battle ,kym, against oppression, and tyranny.

I’ve stopped believing in the corporations/big tech/ big pharma, thinking about anything else but profits.

you may draw inferences from the historical record about why the common people matter or they don’t. Factor 8 blood scandal, Vioxx, and all the other ones that were settled quietly.

“to vax or not to vax”.

that is the question,

whether tis nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous contamination

it should be a choice and we should be able to know what’s inside those vaccines.

otherwise it’s medical tyranny in the name of profit.

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Vaxxed II, The People’s Truth is being released on Wednesday, November 13th @ 7:00 p.m. If enough people buy tickets this documentary will be shown locally in Humboldt.

So you’re posting a non-event that is asking for money to become a maybe-event that is already a cancelled -event.

What aren’t you seeing here?

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
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The statement is asking for people to buy tickets to make an event happen. Enough people did not commit to attend so the event was cancelled.

You are expending all this fear and frustration on an event that couldn’t pull 65 people in a county with way over 100,000 population.

I don’t want to tell you what you can be passionate about, but boy for me there are way more things to get worked up about.

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Ok Kym.

I’ll aim to be more careless.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
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Kym,

“what’s it like when a 53 year old woman finds herself in jail ”

“my only crime was that I asked too many questions”

10 minutes that might help you understand why this is such a divisive issue.

https://youtu.be/bM8IXClDd58

Dr Judy Mikovits Phd.

“25 million Americans have been contaminated with a virus that came out of a lab…from blood contaminants and vaccines. ”

you will appreciate this soft spoken lady

some people may not appreciate her paper that was published in October 2009.

people are being contaminated. ..

and all we are doing is to wake people up to stories like these with people who trying to make science work for people.

SmallFry
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4 years ago
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I believe your ideals are treading on dangerous grounds TRB!

However well intentioned people may find themselves in the pursuits of facts, and truth, to arm the “media” with the exclusive power to “determine” facts, and not publish different aspects or perspectives is a pursuit towards the stepping stones of tyranny! I swear, seriously the “Left” these days is so ultimately headed twards complete authoritarianism!

In a coherent and meaningful world Engaging with competiting views creates broader visions, and clarity! Free Speech is the ultimate fundamental foundation for a free society! Anything less is subjugation!

sinbadofsohum
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4 years ago
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subjugation has many heads.

words are being weaponized

the frequency is for destruction.

money > truth

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/#

that’s all you have to know about how they deal with dissenting doctors.

why do I get the feeling that they are not being honest with the plebs?

https://youtu.be/0QqAzs0TF6A

when doctors hands are bound and gagged from the real cures.

we have moments of truth that shine through the darkness. ..

“she died because a government institution disseminates false information , and is not looking out for the welfare of the people”

yet we still fight amongst ourselves for no other reason that we have become a nation and a people divided into factions that are being fed higher frequencies and more toxic food , thinking that we will always have the freedoms and inherent rights that our ancestors fought for.

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b.
4 years ago
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Hey SmallFry,
I think you are making a mistake here. Brian may behave as you say, and the polarization of discourse may run rampant. It seems to me, as a skeptic of my own enlightenment as well as a skeptic of my skepticism, that many sides of many debates are in the hands of people who are unrealistically certain of all of their own positions. The true believers see their belief as simply the truth and wish to prevent all the rest of us from any creative variation from the truth. Traumatized individuals — and there are many of us — are resistant to further traumatization, especially by the passionate partisans of the other side.
We start seeing the errors of our adversaries, now become our tormentors, so much more clearly than our own. Then we stop learning and become advocates almost entirely.

One of my favorite critical thinkers (though not always a favorite in his actions) Ralph Nader, quoted his father as asking him every day, when Ralph returned from school, “So, did you learn how to think or did you learn how to believe?” I didn’t learn much in school myself. I heard much but it took several years to turn it over and learn something from most of it.

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4 years ago
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I think Small Fry speaks his truth from a healthy gut feeling about the difference between right and wrong. Most people are going to be influenced by external information/influences that creates a division within the self and causing an unhealthy imbalance in the micro which leads to the macro.

Say No.

Farmers and people who are connected to earth, to make a living, or feed themselives have a deeper connect and understanding of the cycles that we must find harmony with. Those that seek to disrupt that harmony when asked,

must be told No.

Creating a solid foundation and Developing a strong understanding of self, makes the independent minded people dangerous to those who seek for consensus. Those who want you to give up what you have rightfully earned.

We must say No.

I applaud and support the individual over the Group, everytime.

Even more when those individuals can identify the dangerous propaganda that seeks to take from him that which he needs to create a solid foundation from which to build his own house and raise his own family, without too much interference from those who want to take, in the form of taxes and fees, his ability to prosper.

Much can be made of the language used to convince the individual to give up that which he has worked for, and that which his family has worked for, before him, so that others may live more comfortably on the back of his labor.

Saying No, is one of the most powerful examples of self respect and dignity we have ever known.

We just need to keep saying it, as long and as loud as needed to defend our integrity and our little piece of dirt.

I hope people understand how vital it is to protect the individual and their liberties and rights, that are constantly being chipped away at, every day. it’s the only constant that the oppressed have known, the courage and strength to stand up and fight against unjust laws that are always seeking to take away that which is rightfully ours.

( like Nancy Reagan said)

“Just say No!”

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4 years ago
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It’s true Guest, individual rights and liberties are being discarded, and that is alarming! Stronger individuals, and maintaining private properties, free speech and property rights maintain healthy nations. Is it any wonder that the first founding fathers many were self sufficient farmers? And not all of them were slave owners, John Adams never owned slaves, His son Quincy ignored gag rules and often spoke out against slavery!

But I more see it as just say “know!”

“There are still many causes worth sacrificing for, so much history yet to be made.” Michelle Obama.

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4 years ago
Reply to  SmallFry

Yet the Founding Fathers also formed a government for common defense and to ensure domestic tranquility. . In other words individual rights must sometimes give way to the needs of many to ensure those things too. Where that line between rights exists is not in the right to disease. Disease is no respected of anyone’s rights.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I hear what you are saying. let’s just say we both can agree that we can demand safer and cleaner vaccines.

then can we move forward united.

peace

SmallFry
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4 years ago
Reply to  b.

Well b. I do hope that I am mistaken in the lefts descent into authoritarianism, but that is my perspective at the moment! I definitely feel a healthy amount of skepticism is prudent to defining our realities, however at what point does it turn to cynicism? Often, I feel TRB’s statements reflect cynicism as apposed to skepticism.

I can definitely understand not wanting to propetuate the tramatization, I think part of the right to free speech is the right to silence and knowing when to change the channel..so to speak. It’s just never been my ideals. I tend to want to understand what and whys of the other side, in most aspects. Not to say, I don’t get triggered by those aspects at moments..

But yes, Ralf Nader is a great individual! I like the quote his dad said to him! I have always been more of an independent thinker. In high school, often I would skip classes and find my self in the library, so much so that they made me the librarians aid instead of forcing me to attend my other classes. Oops.

I did actually write a reply here, but it either got deleted or actually I think it was just a glitch. But thanks for your response b. Thought provoking as usual!

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4 years ago
Reply to  SmallFry

Yeah, I gather that your experience is highlighting the excesses of certain segments of the left in that tilt toward authoritarianism. I see that same behavior in the partisans and true believers all across the spectrum and even on other axes of polarization. Thinkers who think they can out think everything, leftists, rightists, fundamentalists of every shape and color, even the damn centrists maybe even especially the centrists. I even catch myself in the mirror if I pretend not to be looking.

My encounters with authoritarianism usually get most annoying for me in those groups that I find myself too regularly opposing, which for me has meant corporate capitalists and religious textual fundamentalists.

Blessings on your continued independent thinking.

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4 years ago

Shame on RHBB for doing ZERO homework before posting a crowdfunding project for discredited disinformationalists…

Release of Vaxxed sequel prompts fears dangerous propaganda will spread again

Vaxxed II lands at a particularly anxious time in the US, where several states including California and Washington have been battling against localised outbreaks of measles. 

Official figures compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that in the first nine months of this year some 1,249 measles cases were reported in the US – the largest incidence of the disease in almost 30 years. Of those, one in 10 were hospitalized.

The explosion of cases of an illness once considered eliminated from the US has alarmed medical experts. They predict children will die unless anti-vaccination fears among parents are assuaged.

“If that level rises to 2,000 or 3,000 cases a year we will start to see children dying of measles once again. That’s the dangerous game that is being played here,” said Dr Paul Offit, a vaccine expert at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

When the original Vaxxed movie was released in 2016 it become the center of a public firestorm after Robert De Niro booked it for his Tribeca film festival, then pulled it following objections from doctors and scientists. The film’s producers claim the ensuing furore was the best thing that ever happened to the anti-vaccination movement as it drew attention to the cause and attracted hundreds of people to the Vaxxed bus.

Those individuals, who were filmed recounting their experiences on the bus, now form the core of Vaxxed II. The film makes no effort to address the scientific evidence that the parents’ experiences of autism in their children have nothing to do with vaccines, or the coincidence that symptoms of autism often appear between 12 and 24 months of age, exactly when the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine is given.

In the absence of such context, the stories told on the bus and aired in Vaxxed II are heartbreaking, harrowing and deeply unnerving. The families’ narratives are accompanied by disturbing footage of non-verbal autistic children. There is a gallery of photographs of babies who died before their second birthdays – the film claims without offering any evidence that their deaths were caused by vaccines.

In a later section of the film, parents who have decided not to vaccinate their children speak to camera. They relate how their kids have never had a day’s illness or needed a course of antibiotics, and the film-makers imply they are also more intelligent than their vaccinated neighbors’ children.

The other character who appears prominently in Vaxxed II is Andrew Wakefield, the disgraced British former physician who was the first to generate public doubts about MMR. In 1998 Wakefield published a paper in the Lancet based on the histories of a mere eight children that put fear into the hearts of many parents by suggesting a possible link between MMR and autism.

The ripple effect of Wakefield’s study was a dramatic slump in vaccine uptake in the UK and US.

In 2010 the UK’s General Medical Council stripped Wakefield of his license to practice as a doctor on grounds of “dishonesty” in his vaccine work as well as multiple ethical breaches in the way he enlisted children to the study. Wakefield’s Lancet article was retracted a few months later.

Despite having been shunned by the British medical world, Wakefield has rebuilt his life in America as a celebrity figure revered by vaccine skeptics. He directed the first Vaxxed film and appears in Vaxxed II as an authority on the spurious science of “vaccine injuries”.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/31/vaxxed-2-movie-sequel-release-fears-propaganda

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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Nawh TRB, shame on your statements for promoting Tyranny in an attempt to kill Free speech! Way to go Tipper! 👎🏼 One day it will be an issue you care about on the chopping block!

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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

this isn’t just about one movie or one doctor,

it’s about a discussion on why a billion dollar industry is doubling and tripling down on mandatory injections with no liability for their products.

say whatever you want, about your opinions of a doctor and this movie, you have no children, and you have never met an injured child or their parents. you are a little tyrant who fits the profile of people who have done horrible things In the past, In the name of God and country.

and with that kind of attitude,

maybe you shouldn’t have kids.

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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

https://kymkemp.com/2019/11/03/are-vaccines-really-as-safe-and-effective-as-weve-been-told-asks-documentary/#comment-881598

do your homework.

you don’t have to have kids, but I hope you never have to experience the damage and suffering from your own child having been injured.

then you would become another story shared and ridiculed for blind faith.

there’s still time to hold the DHHS accountable to do the work they are required, by law, to oversee.

or you can keep bashing people, who just want the DHHS to do their job.

surely you can’t argue with that, and be seen as a compassionate human being who cares for justice.

this is real time, and we don’t have WW1 and WW2 historians looking back on where we went wrong , and could have done better.

“if we don’t learn from history , then we are doomed to repeat it “

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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

HHS isn’t required by law to do sh!t.

Health and Safety – not on their job description. They’re here as drug pushers.

Humboldt Momma
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4 years ago

RFK Jr. Wins Case Against Government For Vaccine Safety Violations.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr teamed up with Del Bigtree of the Informed Consent Action Network to take on the Department of Health and Human Services for vaccine safety violations and they have won. Their lawsuit has brought forth evidence that vaccine safety has been neglected for over 30 years, and as we know it is nothing but a sham, showing that the government agencies we are to trust are not doing their jobs to ensure and improve the safety of immunizations.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 compels DHHS to take responsibility for improving efficacy and safety of vaccines; and charges them with continuous monitoring and improving of adverse event reporting. The DHHS is also tasked with providing a report on improvements by the Mandate for Safer Childhood Vaccine clause to the Congress at least every 2 years.

The DHHS has failed to meet even the most basic aspects of these important duties entrusted to them by failing to file a single report for the past three decades. It has been over 30 years since NVICA was put into place and entrusted to the DHHS to safeguard children, despite being the agency tasked with the responsibility of investigating and improving safety they have not done as much as to raise a finger towards vaccine safety.

ICAN has stated: “ICAN was therefore forced to file a lawsuit to force HHS to either provide copies of its biennial vaccine safety reports to Congress or admit it never filed these reports. The result of the lawsuit is that HHS had to finally and shockingly admit that it never, not even once, submitted a single biennial report to Congress detailing the improvements in vaccine safety. This speaks volumes to the seriousness by which vaccine safety is treated at HHS and heightens the concern that HHS doesn’t have a clue as to the actual safety profile of the now 29 doses, and growing, of vaccines given by one year of age.”

“Regrettably, HHS has chosen to focus on its obligation to increase vaccine uptake and defend against any claim vaccines cause harm in the National Injury Vaccine Compensation Program (aka, the Vaccine Court) to such a degree that it has abandoned its vaccine safety responsibilities. If HHS is not, as confirmed in Court this week, even fulfilling the simple task of filing a biennial report on vaccine safety improvements, there is little hope that HHS is actually tackling the much harder job of actually improving vaccine safety.”

https://www.worldhealth.net/news/rfk-jr-wins-case-against-government-vaccine-safety-violations/

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

thank you Humboldt Momma!

some people here don’t have kids, and have never experienced what a vaccine can do, first hand.

yet they rail against those who simply are standing up for the future of immune systems everywhere.

not sure if you have heard of Dr Judy Mikovits.

https://youtu.be/bM8IXClDd58

Humboldt Momma
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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

I will check out Dr. Judy Mikovits. Thank you!

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

As far as I can tell, this “big win” is that Congress required they be sent reports from DHSS on vaccine safety under 1986 National Childhood Safety Act and they didn’t do it. It did not mean that the information doesn’t exist or that evaluations weren’t done. Or that vaccines are not safe. It means that Congress, as usual, ceased caring about whether a law was effective or not after enacting it.

However the data base for the reports was created and is currently available https://vaers.hhs.gov to anyone who wants to look.

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4 years ago
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I think it’s only fair that new vaccines added to the schedule aren’t retroactively included in the immunity blll.

accountability is our best shot for transparency and a real discussion on both sides of the issues.

blanket immunity is dangerous, especially when BIG pharmaceutical keeps pushing to add more and more vaccines to the schedule without congress doing its job.

that’s why the people are causing such a ruckus. we need some changes before the government can force medical experiments on the population.

step back and look at this from a healthy vs unhealthy perspective.

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4 years ago

A million youTube videos repeating the same endless nonsense does not mean they are right. Cherry picking and demanding sensible answers to stupid questions is not proof. Science is not a popularity contest- No one gets to vote on facts.

Even if vaccinations caused autism, which it doesn’t, that would not be more damaging than the damage caused by the diseases they stop. That’s right. If vaccinations “cause disease” that creates autism then think what the disease itself does. Every single argument is the same “I know someone whose child developed austism after vaccination. ” Well , since vaccination is almost universal, it would be almost impossible that anything would not happen after vaccination. One could equally say that vaccinations cause broken bones, distracted driving and smoking. Everything happens after vaccination in the same measure that things happen after a person is age two.

It would be less irrational to ask for improved vaccinations , which happen constantly, than to make incantations against evil that cause evil.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~i can’t use the word gammon. Let me think, how about drivel?

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4 years ago
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***This will come as big and important news for anyone concerned with the safety of vaccines: as it turns out the federal government has been neglecting safety obligation for decades, which has been proven in a court of law bringing RFK Jr and ICAN to victory over DHHS***

https://www.worldhealth.net/news/rfk-jr-wins-case-against-government-vaccine-safety-violations/

keep sending our young off to fight in endless wars?

then come back with PTSD.

THE mentality that keeps the destruction going

in perpetuity.

people are amazed at how dictators came to power in the past.

divide and conquer…

the game plan thats always worked to subjugate the minorities.

then we have virtue signaling of minorities when it’s convenient, well this isnt about convenience, it’s simply about a mandated program lacking the oversight and testing, required by LAW.

let’s simply remove the immunity for big pharma, and doctors and let’s see how the process changes.

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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Abolish Human Resource -DHHS. Get the Feds. outta Humboldt. T.H.E.Y. have no jurisdiction in the States – well, except for the millions they pour into The County and the powers that were bend over and eat the stringy carrot.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

simply take back our freedom to be informed fully, and then with consent.

just keep demanding that all new vaccines get treated like drugs and remove the immunity from prosecution for manufacturers and doctors.

teach parents about informed consent

fight for the freedom to raise healthy children with clean vaccines and more importantly vaccines that don’t have contamination that do more harm than good.

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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

The beatings will continue
until morale improves

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4 years ago
Reply to  stunned

how about the killing and maiming and suffering while doctors and big pharma remain free of liability?

it’s the old dressed as the new.

operation paperclip brought some interesting thought patterns into the medical and big pharma industry.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1961233716/a-deal-with-the-devilhow-ig-farben-turned-good-int

“”BASF, Bayer, and Hoechst became some of the largest companies in the world, each individually bigger than I.G. Farben was at its height. I.G.’s unparalleled activities make the perfect basis for a historical documentary on the policies of profit at any price.””

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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Sid repeatingly having discussions with himself is too much.

This whole thread is absurd.

If this was “good debate” we deserved Trump and we will only get worse off, societally speaking.

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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Then help by patiently repeating facts rather than attacking the speaker. Endlessly if necessary. Recognize the issues they have, try to find a consensus and stop thinking only your opinion is important. That is the exact arrogance that gave Trump the election. Mostly stop calling everyone else stupid because that is a circular firing squad.

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4 years ago
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Then help by patiently repeating facts rather than attacking the speaker. Endlessly if necessary.

I don’t think we agree on what you/I are dealing with.

Recognize the issues they have, 

[Self-edit] every commentor is different ( besides Stunned and Sinbad), so some are reasonable.

Chad handled the reason.

I’m here for the others. The ones whose literal job is to spread propaganda.

And me telling you what their problems are will only be interpreted as an insult.

stop thinking only your opinion is important. 

Because I comment argue frequently I think it’s fair of you to say that.

That is the exact arrogance that gave Trump the election. 

No way. Because you and I and everyone didn’t take unchecked psychosis seriously, like Birther conspiracies, Trump ran on a false paradigm and won. The big myth won, we lost.

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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

First the point of these arguments is not to convince the irrational that they are irrational but to counteract the clever but malicious irrational arguments that can lead others astray. Just as you can’t argue out stupid, you can’t argue irrational into rational. So making personal attacks is worse than futile.

Then Trump did not win because of “birther” allegations. Or by the Russians exposing Clinton’s dishonesty. He won because enough people had their various differences from the nation’s leaders ignored and belittled so often that to them Trump looked better for them. The arrogance of that failed attitude goes on in hysterical vituperation now so that rationality can find no place.

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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

you don’t have kids, so of course you can’t relate to the argument from a parents perspective.

I got a good book for you to read .

https://kymkemp.com/2019/11/03/are-vaccines-really-as-safe-and-effective-as-weve-been-told-asks-documentary/#comment-881678

it had nothing to do with me, it’s information that might help you with your understanding..
not your bias, but the opportunity for you to go deeper.

otherwise your opinion as, a bystander who lives behind a locked gate, and a 7 mile dirt road with no kids and no one in the Trinity school district, as pretty close to irrelevant.

help me, help you,

go deeper, young man

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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

See above. The “big win” is only that DHHS stopped making a required report to congress evaluating vaccines. Not that they have been found dangerous or anything else. And not that the information is not available elsewhere. Just that they didn’t submit a required report that ICAN tried to get and DHHS was finally forced to confess they stopped providing. It is embarassing for congress and DHHS but has no effect on what the report might have contained or whether vaccines are safe or not. Congress has conducted hearings on vaccine and got the data from the CDC a number of times.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

remove the liability protection, remove the parents inability to sue their doctor and the manufacturer, then we might have some real accountability.

until then its one fear based thought against another.

remove the liability protections

DO THE RIGOROUS TESTING,

Blind obedience has its drawbacks.

Humboldt Momma
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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Completely agree

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

That would be like saying car companies should be liable for every accident despite making a good vehicle. Accidents are inevitable because people and they react badly sometimes. Not the vehicles but holding the manufacturer responsible for that would mean no one would have a car.

Vaccine manufacturers do have liability but it’s regulated through a special court as bad reactions to a good products are inevitable but if handled under 51 different states rules, would result in manufacturers going out of business from the sheer weight of irrational lawsuits and no one would to vaccines at all. https://www.historyofvaccines.org/index.php/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs

That antivaxxers would prefer to eliminate vaccines altogether does not mean they should be able to make them unavailable for everyone with their lawsuits.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

ex.vaxxers

is a more appropriate term.

they vaccinated,
got injured, and stepped away from that toxic relationship.

https://www.independent.com/2019/10/10/ex-vaxxers-speak-out-against-new-regulations/

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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Patiently repeating the facts:

The Truth Will Prevail
1200 studies dot com
http://www.chiropractic.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/1200-studies-The-Truth-Will-Prevail-3.pdf

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Not truth. Repeating not truth doesn’t turn it into truth

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

~the 1200 studies were based on facts.

Humboldt Momma
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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Do you think vaccination should be mandatory or should people have the right to chose what they think is best for their family and what is injected into their bodies? When a child becomes vaccine injured no one helps the parents pay for medical bills and vaccine injured court can take up to 8 years for any sort of compensation. There are many other injuries besides people claiming “autism”.

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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

“(some people) don’t want facts getting in the way of a perfectly good argument”

Chris Rock

will they require families who don’t want the toxic biologicals in their bodies to wear a tattoo like these.?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Easier to put a big L on the forehead of the anti-American.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

I think that some but not all vaccines now on the list should be required before a child attends public school where diseases spread like wildfire. I also think,that now the source of the infection is identifiable, that parents whose children are determined to have been the cause of another’s illness should be liable for the damages if they refused vaccination but still exposed others to disease . As one person put it, you are not so important that you can chose to save yourself by causing another injury.

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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Review-Critical-Vaccine-Studies/dp/188121740X

let the liability for the vaccines lead the charge…

clean vaccines

proper safety protocols

one foot in front of the other.

you are punishing the wrong people…

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4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

I want the best that can be actually done. . And I know that stopping vaccinations wholesale is an awful idea. More research and plain language explanations of the limits of knowledge is good. But no more than that. Punishing children who would die from preventable diseases to allow paranoia to reign uncheckedwould be the wrong people paying the price.

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4 years ago
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/health/phrma-lobbying-costs-bn/index.html

millions paid by lobbyists to keep the law makers well heeled.

I want them Clean and Kosher. no more Dr marys monkey business, cross species tissues like the murine leukemia virus filtered through mice.

I said remove blanket immunity and make the changes to the law that holds a higher level of testing for biologicals and adjuvants.

big pharmaceutical is a profit driven industry.

maybe vaccines shouldn’t be a profit based item, without the necessary liabilities.

checks and balances.

https://www.amazon.com/Vaccines-They-Really-Safe-Effective/dp/1881217302#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div

it’s all about the freedom to choose, if you can’t guarantee the safety of your product, you need the mandate of government to keep the profits and kickbacks flowing.

Humboldt Momma
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4 years ago
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Most people who are considered “anti-vaxxers” are parents who did vaccinate and now they have injured children, they are shunned by media and are isolated. They are afraid to vaccinate their next child with the same vaccine that injured their first. Why can’t our government if at all possible work on making vaccines safer. Have you read the ingredients and vaccine inserts? Do you think vaccines being injected into children should be the only pharmaceutical product with ZERO liabilty? The concept of vaccination is amazing but at what cost? They can and should be made safer! We should never stop trying to make vaccines safer for our children! Have you ever had 8-9 vaccine products injected into you at one doctors visit. I challenge all of you to go to your pediatrician and ask to have the childhood vaccination schedule injected into you for the next year, I think it’s around 26 now, Let me know how it goes. I have seen vaccine injury first hand and it can cripple families.

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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Review-Critical-Vaccine-Studies/dp/188121740X

as Dr Judy Mikovits stated so truthfully.

“Doctors are not GODS ”

every single pro vaccination adult, who doesn’t have children, should go spend time with a family with an injured child and maybe even offer some help for not truly understanding the real cost of immunity and lack of oversight, and rigorous testing that Drugs are put through.

I’ve been humbled to know that these people standing behind modern pharmaceutical companies and the long reach of the lobbying arm, are just in it for the money.

it’s always about the money.

always has been, always will be.

https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/industries/summary?cycle=2019&id=h04

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

My record was 17 spaced two weeks apart prior to going to Asia. Military tech was known for holding up to 6 syringes in one hand and inject all in one go.

But if you think that a child suffering from a bad reaction is bad, you should sit by the bed of a child with the actual disease for days and days, hoping they wake up without brain, hearing or vision damage.

While having safer vaccines should be a continuous goal, people not long see enough cases of these diseases, now made rare by vaccinations, to know just how much worse the complications from the actual diseases are. Measles for example can lead to encephalitis, ear infections, pneumonia, kidney disease. Not ever case does but it certainly does happen as I have mentioned before. BECAUSE I HAD ALL OF THEM AT AGE 6.

““Acute encephalitis, which often results in permanent brain damage, occurs in approximately 1 of every 1000 cases of measles. In the post-elimination era, death predominantly resulting from neurologic and respiratory complications has occurred in 1 to 3 of every 1000 cases reported in the United States,” said Dr. Claudette Poole, assistant professor in the University of Alabama at Birmingham Department of Pediatric Infectious Disease.”

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-long-term-effects-of-surviving-measles#Why-has-measles-returned-to-the-United-States?

Where as most common adverse reaction to vaccinations are rashes, irritation and soreness. Occuring at rate of 8 out 10,000, the most frequent serious measles vaccine reaction is a febrile seizure which, while scary for the parents, rarely has any long term complications and happens in unvaccinate children too.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/febrile-seizures.html

And there is one other thing- no one has ever caught a vaccine related condition from a sibling whereas the diseases themselves spread through families like wild fire. I caught mine from my sister who got her’s from an epidemic in her school. My sister was left with some hearing loss even though she recovered quite uneventfully. I was a whole year recovering from mine.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Humboldt Momma

Then they are parents who would prefer to consider themselves guiltless when their children get maimed or die because they got diseases their parents could have prevented. There is no guiltless parenting. There are only best chances, not perfect ones.

It only seems that not vaccinating is the safe choice because the diseases have been made so rare by vaccinations. But those diseases mostly still out there and will spread like wildfire should they be allowed to return.

You speak of being the parent of a child who had a bad reaction to a vaccination. I speak as a child who did not have vaccinations for diseases that almost killed me. Unfortunately my truth is dying out due to vaccines being so successful. I do not argue from ignorance of disease but from knowledge. And I can tell you that the level of damage to the public from disease is far greater than from vaccines.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

To each his own.
Let the discussion include all the risks and liabilities for choices made and avoided.
The Catch 22 is removing the consumers ability to know and have protection against those communicable diseases and the potential for harm from taking something meant to boost the immunity.
Die from the disease, or die from the cure. Hold your head high;)

https://www.purpleair.com/map?opt=1/mAQI/a10/cC0#8.34/40.814/-122.749

Btw. how is the air quality in your neck of the woods?

Take a look at PurpleAir.com

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4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Then make the choice and educate your children at home. Just don’t make your choice have to be everyone else’s by exposing babies, unfortunate people who didn’t get immunity from the vaccine and immune compromised people to the diseases you are willing that your children get.

If enough people will take the risk for you, it is unlikely your children will be exposed as long as they don’t travel much. They will spend their lives try not to get sick as adults because, having neither vaccinated nor been exposed as children , they will come down with something sooner or later. That is the nature of contagious disease. The gift that keeps on giving. https://fox59.com/2019/03/07/anti-vaxers-adult-son-got-measles-now-he-has-a-message-for-the-world/

Measles is so contagious that 90 per cent of people who aren’t immune that come into contact with the disease will become infected.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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To the smart Guest that I normally argue with:

Sinbad is banned, most apparently.

Sinbad was Sid Vicious, who also was banned for playing name games ( impersonating me).

That very same person is now using “Guest” to continue down the same path of link promotion.

There is no debate for him. He is only here to promote links that get back to his website. Facts are useless, this is his job.

I am working on trying to document it as best as possible.

Fyi.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

https://www.amazon.com/Millers-Review-Critical-Vaccine-Studies/dp/188121740X#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div

***”””This book should be read by everyone with a sufficient reading level to understand its information
If the general public (and our politicians and physicians) knew all the research that is referenced in this book, there would be a federal law preventing any state or school from requiring ANY person, child or student from being vaccinated. I only wish that in addition to this book, everyone would watch the 2 documentaries, VAXXED and 50 Cents a dose. We are being herded like sheep into a society of lowered IQ, lowered immune function and ZERO informed consent just to support big business and big profits. It is very sad that common sense is gone and people throw conspiracy arrows at well researched factual information instead of doing further investigation to see if just maybe, they are the ones who are wrong.”””***

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Miller is a fraud.

https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/06/16/combining-childhood-vaccines-at-one-visit-is-not-safe-not-so

It cites cases of adverse reactions to diphtheria antitoxin; but antitoxin is never needed unless you get the disease, which is prevented by the vaccine. And then it recommends avoiding tetanus vaccine since a tetanus antitoxin is available. It fails to mention the adverse reactions to tetanus antitoxin and the fact that it will not be needed if the vaccine has prevented the disease in the first place. How could anyone think it is preferable to get tetanus and then treat it with antitoxin?

It cites Andrew Wakefield’s studies allegedly linking the MMR vaccine to autism and his unsupported speculations that single vaccines are preferable. It mentions that his Lancet study was retracted, supposedly only because a British medical panel had concluded that he had violated ethical rules. It quotes Wakefield’s disingenuous protestation that the allegations against him were unfounded. It fails to mention that he had falsified data in his study and that he was stripped of his medical license. It also favorably cites the Geiers’ discredited research; the book was published before one Geier was stripped of his license and the other Geier was prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-anti-vaccine-book/

It regurgitates every argument of the anti-vaccine faction without fairly presenting the arguments for vaccines and without acknowledging that every anti-vaccine argument has been thoroughly rebutted. For instance, it repeats reporter Dan Olmsted’s myth that the Amish do not vaccinate and do not get autism.

It deceptively argues that deaths from vaccine-targeted illnesses were decreasing before the development of vaccines. Deaths were decreasing due to improving medical treatment and other factors, but the diseases were not going away: the incidence of the diseases had not decreased significantly. Graphs of the yearly incidence of diseases like measles, mumps, polio, diphtheria, pertussis, etc. all show a striking reduction after vaccines were introduced. The book does not present those graphs. The real proof of the pudding is that in various countries around the world, when vaccination rates dropped, the diseases returned; and when vaccination rates rose again, the diseases subsided. The book does not acknowledge those inconvenient facts.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

***”This will come as big and important news for anyone concerned with the safety of vaccines: as it turns out the federal government has been neglecting safety obligation for decades, which has been proven in a court of law bringing RFK Jr and ICAN to victory over DHHS.”***

https://www.worldhealth.net/news/rfk-jr-wins-case-against-government-vaccine-safety-violations/

the federal government has been neglecting it’s job for decades, and you ignore the potential and real world consequences from this?

if the government will not protect its people and the children, then…

let the parents with children decide.

I do appreciate your time looking for the establish talking points and putting in the time to make sure your points are heard.

let the parents have the ability to choose what goes inside the body of their own children.

if you actually cared about CHILDREN, you might be asking the tough questions to the Big Pharmaceutical, and the DHHS.

if you could remove your inherent bias, and maybe the fact you’ve never personally interacted with an injured child, you might ask yourself, why are children being harmed from an increasing number of vaccines, if they are simply meant to increase the immune system.

something is wrong with the program, you may never fully understand until your little boy or little girl is injured,

and you will thank the parents

who had the courage to stand up to people

with mindsets like your own .

there are children being injured and killed…there’s plenty of information out there.

may you never know the pain of taking a healthy child to the doctor for routine vaccines and watching that child suffer from something meant to prevent suffering.

in the meantime, just listen to some of the parents of these injured children, try to keep a brave face on.

.https://youtu.be/0QqAzs0TF6A

Gues
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Gues
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

Again and again and again, the lawsuit only established that the require report stopped being made to Congress. Not that the information, studies and public records were not being made. The information required in the report is public. Bundling it up to give to Congress changes nothing, although anti vaxxers lobby groups are making all sorts of conspiracy theories and misinformation out of the bureaucratic failure.

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

****From the Author***

“”” I wrote “Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective?” so that parents and health practitioners could make more informed decisions regarding vaccines. I do not advocate them, nor do I presume to know what is best for other families. I merely try to present the facts in a clear and straightforward manner.

After reading my book, parents often contact me to express their gratitude. They appreciate the simple format complemented by extensive research. Every statement in my book is referenced to a valid scientific study or other reputable source of data. Information that would have otherwise remained hidden is revealed so that you can make informed decisions.

Some critics argue that I don’t believe vaccines reduced the incidence of disease. My “beliefs” are irrelevant. In some cases, no credible evidence supports the contention that a particular vaccine is essentially responsible for a reduction in that disease. In other cases, convincing arguments can be made for and against this basic claim. More importantly, several vaccines have been linked to new diseases. I thoroughly document these correlations. Thus, even if a vaccine is instrumental in reducing case numbers of a single disease, what overall benefit have we gained if it simultaneously causes two or three new ailments? For example, the polio vaccine has been scientifically linked to increased cancer rates, the Hib vaccine to rising diabetes rates, and the hepatitis B vaccine to serious neurological disorders. The studies are summarized in my book.

Parents, you are responsible for the welfare of your children. Research this topic thoroughly until you are comfortable with your decisions”””

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

“While I will make my livelihood out of selling you a book by keeping worrying you with bad science and innuendos.” None of that stuff he claims is peer reviewed science- it’s his off the wall interpretations. The US Constitution gives him say pretty much what he wants. That does not make it any better science because its panders it its nonsense in a book.

Try this one for a dose of realit
https://www.amazon.com/Bad-Science-Quacks-Pharma-Flacks/dp/0865479186

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

how can DR Miller be THE FRAUD , when he isn’t immune from liability, nor does he have the weight of Millions of dollars in Lobbying and research funds to order the results needed.

it’s both simple and complicated.

HEALTH AT GUNPOINT: The FDA’s Silent War Against Health Freedom

“””FDA’s Threat to Freedom of Informed Choice
James Gormley has been a valued fixture in health media for decades. His articles epitomize the best in investigative journalism. True to form, Gormley’s new book, Health at Gunpoint, reveals the sad story of how science and truth have been denied and suppressed to serve the interests of politicians who have willingly become captives of industry. The product of that unseemly union has been a market replete with genetically modified foods, unsafe drugs, and censorship of truthful nutrient-disease information. The human tragedies that flow from those government abuses will continue until a majority of Americans demand restoration of constitutional limits on government power consistent with Gormley’s recommendations.”””

—– Jonathan W. Emord, Constitutional and Administrative Lawyer

https://www.amazon.com/Health-Gunpoint-Silent-Against-Freedom/dp/0757003818/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=health+at+gunpoint&qid=1573256512&sprefix=health+at+gu&sr=8-1#aw-udpv3-customer-reviews_feature_div

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  sinbadofsohum

You live in a country where libel laws defer to Constitution. KLater Supreme Court cases barred strict liability for libel and forbid libel claims for statements that are so ridiculous as to be patently false. Recent cases have added precedent on defamation law and the Internet.” You live the Constitution every time a politician opens his mouth and you still think libel laws are a protection?

sinbadofsohum
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sinbadofsohum
4 years ago

medical tyranny should be exposed for what it is…the erosion of our own freedoms to take charge of our bodies and what goes inside of them.

“””The one book that explains how our health freedom has been compromised — and what we can do about it
The shameful saga of how a sincere effort to protect the American consumer from unregulated food and drugs got corrupted by corporate-controlled bureaucrats is chillingly chronicled by James Gormley in this disturbing but vitally important book.

The deeper one gets into Health at Gunpoint, the more one gets the sense of our having gradually moved from a sort of wild west to an authoritarian state of affairs that, curiously, now sanctions abuses that are just as bad as, if not worse than those it was originally designed to reform.

An integral part of this process has been the effort to either discourage or, whenever possible, to prohibit natural and holistic approaches to preventing and treating disease. Gormley provides various examples of promising practices and products whose creators and promoters faced prosecution and punishment for their efforts.

There was, for example, Dr. Royal Lee, an inventor with over 70 patents on mechanical and electrical devices to his credit, who created the “world’s first raw whole-food supplement.”

He was targeted by two federal lawsuits, first in the 1930s and again in the ‘60s, based on nothing more than a “consensus of medical opinion” that his product was ineffective for the conditions for which it was recommended, despite various testimonials as to its benefits. But his real offense may have been opposition to the way the FDA had strayed from the principles of its founder, Dr. Harvey Wiley.

Gormley also cites the FDA’s harassment of sellers of various natural-health products. One perfect example is a 1992 raid on a clinic in Washington state that terrorized patients. This turned out to be in retaliation for the director having sued the agency over its restriction on the use of L-tryptophan as a dietary supplement. Such tactics helped to fuel support for the Dietary Supplement health and Education Act (DSHEA), which passed two years later.

But, as the book shows, the fight for health choice freedom is far from over – and is actually worldwide in scope. For instance, it details how the rights of Canadian consumers to buy thousands of supplements were actually curtailed by the country’s health agency. It also reviews how things have been complicated significantly by the Codex Alimentarius Commission, set up by the World Health Organization and Food and Agriculture Organization to make recommendations related to food standards and trade practices, but which ‘has become a source of controversy, as well as misinformation and confusion.”

And it isn’t just government or global entities that have compromised consumer rights and prerogatives, as the author reveals. It was also mainstream medical professionals whose approach involves things like drugs and surgery, and who as a group went to considerable lengths to eliminate competition from alternative practitioners, such as naturopaths, herbalists, even chiropractors.

Gormley, a veteran health journalist specializing in nutrition, has put all this together in a compelling and well researched retrospective that is a must read for anyone who wants to really understand how the system has that was designed to protect our health has ended up being so counterproductive – and the steps we can take to take our health into our own hands.”””

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

“Nothing is accidental here. The whole physical existence is happening between cause and consequence.”

Scientist Who Studied Safer Alternative to Traditional Vaccines Murdered In Front of His Children
collective-evolution dot com https://bit.ly/2rnf5mx July 1, 2018

‘The science showing vaccinations are safe is virtually non-existent, and there are a lot showing that they’ve been more harmful than we are aware of. The truth is, not all vaccines have been tested and are completely safe. The reason Congress exempted vaccine makers from liability in 1986 was that vaccines were causing harm. Since the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act went into effect, the federal government program has paid out 3.8 billion dollars in vaccine injuries and death.’

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

~i don’t care if Tom Thumb sent it.

Common sense would tell us that an infant’s immune system is not well developed and that the 26 vaccines scheduled for infants by the age of one year by the U.S.INC., could easily overtax the coping mechanisms of many infants. Now the data from this study confirms that those countries which give only 12 to 14 vaccines to infants have much lower infant death rates (by as much as 50% or more) than the U.S.Inc., pushes, and other countries with higher numbers of vaccinations. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

@ Kym,

Please, was there any verification action regarding who sent this to you?

Or was it posted with no questions asked?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Please?

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The same as any other event–posted with no questions asked.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

@ Kym,

A technical error has made my thread disappear….?

Was there any verification of who sent this post to you?

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

No technical error. I deleted a comment containing things I asked you not to repeat.

As to verification, no. I don’t ask anyone who sends in events to provide verification. So far there hasn’t been a large number of people going to the trouble of promoting spaghetti feeds and dances to benefit non-profits without the sender being genuinely interested in the event occurring.

And in this case, no one would need to prove they were anti vaccination in order to post about an anti vax movie. I fail to understand the relevance of your question.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Sorry about my error that you had to delete.

It would be quite possible that it was not a mother, nurse, or local who sent this to you, is that correct?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

OH GOOD LORD, Brian. Give it a rest.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

What’s your website address Central?

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

i’m not taking any more questions.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Of course. No names, not even in the linked reference.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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Superman?

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-warning-to-anti-vaccine-parents-2019-2

This guy knows about Vaccines, through his foundation work.

Wake up people!!!!!!!!!

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

Lol the ultimate internet conundrum. I don’t know you know either. And I don’t know you are The real Brian nor do I know who that is anyway. I guess the almost 2000 year old remark by Julius Ceasar applies- “What we wish, we readily believe, and what we ourselves think, we imagine others think also.”

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Dang. Your post was gone between the time I read it and the time and enter on the reply.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I thought I had developed a good case as to who may have been responsible for sending this post to Kym.

I’m not sure I can say that anymore with confidence, so I won’t.

My name is Brian Romanoff.

And I don’t play name games.

Conundrum gone.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Hey Brian,
So you want to do a biological experiment on the entire human population of a continent. You think that the thinking on this experiment is sufficient to justify the experiment. But the experiment will only work if everyone participates. But everyone will only participate if everyone who disagrees with participation in the experiment is forced to participate and prevented from talking to anyone else.

How positive an outcome do you need in order to use violence to force everyone to participate? To stop talking? I tend to think that preventing immediate direct harmful acts is the only clear justification for using force. I might be persuaded that the prevention of a massive die off or unprecedented genetic damage to the entire genome would justify such an experiment and the use of force.
Small pox eradication, maybe. Measles prevention– force? Probably not. Flu prevention, not a chance.

Actually I think that industrial chemistry is a greater threat to both human genetics and all other creatures’ genetics as well. Even so I’m reluctant to use violence to stop industrial chemical pollution.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” –Winston Churchill

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
The Real Brian
Guest
The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Sid,

You’ve gone to a new name.

Are you done with Tavistock, Stunned and Sinbad?

Has your alter-egos been banned? You were posting 30 comments a day until you got all personal on me again.

2:00am post? That’s about the time that you impersonated my name once – and was banned originally.

Maybe I’ll just create an ego using your real life name, and have some much needed fun….

You need to be shown for the fraud you are, out there in Bella Vista, in Redding – and here on RHBB.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian,

~you are under suspicion. Didn’t you get the Memo?

While under suspicion for newbie Chad White adoration, and missing shak . . . you can’t be making accusations about other commenters. (is there a rule number for this, Kym)?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Can I link to your website yet?

Nevermind, let’s keep that private for now.

But, you know who likes to self-promote/troll at Sott.net, which “Sid” linked to above?

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-uscellular-us-revc&source=android-browser&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDtf8KZdchuwuG_iDF3edEblAlBA%3A1573402947971&ei=QznIXa38OuXO5gK07qPgBg&q=sott.net%2C+dane+wigington&oq=sott.net%2C+dane+wigington&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3..35i39.13607.15577..16699…0.0..0.373.965.2-1j2……0….1………35i304i39.CeJZk8JES0w

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

~i’ve dealt w/stalkers before, Brian. Iff you’re waiting for me to give you what you want, it’ll be a cold day in hell.

shak?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Back when you were busted for plagiarizing by Jaekel and I, I kept looking at comments that you didn’t attribute the authorship for.

I searched the web for your words.

You copy pasted from your site.

And that’s how I found it.

I have no interest in stalking you.

I have no idea about Shak.

My only power here is reading and writing.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

[edit] To say you’re not a stalker [not just of me] then credit yourself with “kept looking at comments that you didn’t attribute the authorship for. ” Then, you go on – about copying and pasting from a site.

If that’s not a stalker i don’t know what is.

You’re scary as when suggesting a friend of mine slap me open handed in the face.

~get a life Brian.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Please walk away from each other. Talk about ideas, not personalities.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago

Wheat

The reason Congress exempted vaccine makers from liability in 1986 was that vaccines were causing harm. Since the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act went into effect, the federal government program has paid out 3.8 billion dollars in vaccine injuries and death.

Chaff

CDC
Bill Gates
DHHS

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Of course they can cause harm. Every medical procedure can. Like you can due from appendicitis surgery but you still have it because your survival is better with it than without it.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

When doctors are responsible, and malpractice insurance costs come out of their pocket$ , doctors won’t treat their patients like cattle with little to no care if the Vaccines contain contaminants, that can cause immunological responses that are do more damage than the disease they seek to protect against.

Accountability.

First, Last, Deposit.

It’s really quite easy.

Corruption is worth addressing.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

As I posted here:

https://kymkemp.com/2019/11/03/are-vaccines-really-as-safe-and-effective-as-weve-been-told-asks-documentary/#comment-880017

The idea that all vaccines are safer than the disease is questionable. The letter I posted has the numbers and links to the studies they reference.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

@ Kym,

I think it’s fair to ask if you know for sure that a registered nurse sent this to you.

That was my line of questioning yesterday.

There are no spaghetti dinner fundraisers held annonymously, that I’ve heard of. And they dont say the event is only available “if enough people buy in” without specifying how many people is “enough”.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I did not search to see if she is a registered nurse. She is a real person.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thank you,

Is there a reason to protect her identity?

It’s presented as a nurse who sent this.

I think I can say it’s someone you dont know personally, from your answer.

I think the we have a right to the information of who presented this to you.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Normally, I would. But she asked me not to and I said I wouldn’t. I don’t go back on promises.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

That’s pretty wild for a post like this.

How can I make my case about who is involved in this and why?

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I listened to your concerns. I checked them out to see if I had made an error and I’m satisfied you are incorrect about the woman. She is genuinely concerned about vaccinations. She is a nurse. She is a mother. She believed in a nationwide event and attempted, unsuccessfully, to bring it to Eureka.

I am not willing to throw her and my promise to her (and my reputation for protecting people who speak to me) out the window.

You can decide I’m wrong. But I’m comfortable with what I’m doing.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m not asking you to break your promise Kym.

I’m sorry I wasn’t clear but my question was rhetorical.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m not at all comfortable with this exception. You certainly have never given one to anyone else. This is not a debate. It’s a firefight against hysteria and has all the justification of anonymously yelling fire in a crowded theater .

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That’s what happens when confusion reigns.

I think it has been manufactured to weaponiz families against families , neighbors against neighbors.

Remove the blanket immunity, get the Inspector General to do a full top to bottom investigation into the corruption at the CDC, and then we can begin to see why money is the root of the problem.

Or we can continue until this devolves into something much worse than heated “debates”.

People join the military and die every day pushing the Empire into every resource rich country so we can debate about Freedom of Speech, and Tyranny dressed as The Greater Good.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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cream.

It is a cruel thing that the inlets of the senses should be opened wide for the torment of the objects of sense to be poured, like a river in spate, into their gaping orifices, with nothing to stay their violent rush. For when the mind, swallowed up by the huge impouring, is found at the bottom, unable to rise to the surface and look out
–Philo of Alexandria 100BC – 50AD

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Really? I write entire news articles where the growers are anonymous. Kelley wrote one we published today with consultants and growers unnamed. I don’t name people all the time if they convince me they will face too much of a backlash.

And, in this case, I already gave my word so…if you are uncomfortable, then you can choose to believe that I’m part of an anti vax conspiracy but I won’t be revoking any promises I made.

b.
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b.
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Of course there is a reason . Orthodoxy and the suppression of dissent are practiced in the medical community.
You would “out” Kurd posting from Turkey, or an atheist woman posting from Saudi with your worship of “transparency.” Do you support the outing of the “Whistleblower?”

I’m unimpressed by the autism argument and especially the hysteria around it. Suppressing, harassing and haranguing dissent turns me off even more. However, the use of force to support a supposedly incontrovertible argument strikes me as the dumbest way to create human well being.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

This essentially been a fundraiser for frauds.

There is no local event.

There was never knowledge what “enough” tickets purchased meant.

If there was a need for annonymously posting, there should be no need to preface it as presented by “mother/nurse”.

For instance, you don’t know if the Ukraine whistleblowers are fathers or mothers, Army or advisors.

Kym Kemp
Admin
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian, Since we last spoke, I’ve confirmed that the woman who gave me the information is a registered nurse and I already knew she was a mother.

Having an event is not fraudulent. The event was cancelled due to not enough interest. Not one person has come forward claiming to be defrauded. Please carefully choose your language and don’t accuse people of criminal acts because you don’t agree with their position on vaccinations.

There is a need for anonymity here, just as there was in the beginning for many cannabis events. Just as growers fear to give their names because of hostility so too do people who are anti vaccinations. I provide safe means for people to communicate whether I agree with them or not.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Having an event is not fraudulent. The event was cancelled due to not enough interest. 

But there was no definition of what enough interest was.

I’m glad no one got ripped off.

But fraudulent is NOT necessarily a crime, it’s not how I’m applying the term;

obtained, done by, or involving deception, especially criminal deception.

Fundraiser or not, it is essentially a promo for Vaxxed 2.

Is there any other way you would have promoted Vaxxed 2 if it was not in events?

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  b.

Autisim is definitely unimpressive, for those who still have unanswered questions.

I think Bob Deniro said it best.

There’s more to the story than we are being told.

Such is the life of the Working Class.

Life isn’t fair, I get it, but the bullying is beyond acceptable.

https://newengland.com/today/living/new-england-history/live-free-or-die-new-hampshire-motto/

Guest
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4 years ago
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Autism comes to those not vaccinated at the same exact rate as those who are. “The largest, most compelling of these is a study published in the March 2019 issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine. The researchers looked at more than half a million children over the course of ten years. Nearly 32,000 of those kids did not get the MMR vaccine. About 6,500 children were eventually diagnosed with autism. There was no difference in autism rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated children.” https://www.babycenter.com/404_does-the-mmr-vaccine-put-my-child-at-greater-risk-for-autism_11518.bc

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I’ve never mentioned Austism, in relation to the vaccine debate.

This isn’t about a narrow cell window in which the full issue can be addressed.

Remove the Immunity if you must mandate a product that is for profit.

Simple solution.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Nonsense. There is liability. There are going to be bad reactions and ambulance chasing lawyer ready to get over each one. The depth of misunderstanding of science, statistics and even arithmetic would drive irrational, emotional awards that would vaccine makers to stop making vaccines. Then we all get back to dying like it was 1790. Well the poor would. The rich could afford to have vaccines made to order.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Help me understand what is nonsense.

I hate to break it to you, but the rich already want the world population down to 500million.

if you know anything about the Rich, they’re focused on goals, and they have incredible power and influence.

Look at the humans as parasites for this darn climate problem we have…

I digress.

Removing Liability while They create more and more vaccines. why on earth would you vaccinate a pregnant woman then her newborn baby.

This is a profit driven industry and the losses are socialized.

yeah.

That’s Fascism.

You just need to see how our Infant Mortality Rate is 39th in the world, and we export Drugs and weapons of war across the globe, because it makes a shit load of money for those companies.

They want customers, the sicker they are, the more money they make.

If the kids reach 18, then they can grab a gun and help expand the markets.

it’s a dirty rigged game.

I’ll have no part of it.

Thank you for your consideration.

Central HumCo
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Central HumCo
4 years ago
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~from the bottom of my heart, Guest, thank you . . . more than words can say.

Corporate Serfdom
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Corporate Serfdom
1 year ago
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Great comment.

Lots of good discussion here, before covid stole the show.

Corporate Serfdom
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Corporate Serfdom
1 year ago
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Death is largely due to disease caused by deficiencies

Corporate Serfdom
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Corporate Serfdom
1 year ago
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That would make the toxins in our environment the culprit. Why do we continue to add fluoride to the watersupply?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

Here is a nurse/mother.

She hangs out with photoshop – Dane Wiggington, in Redding.

https://youtu.be/-tX21EPJwHA?list=PLwfFtDFZDpwu9LYkcx4H1QuuLLu9SvcZm

Notice some interesting language at the 1:04 mark.

“If this hadn’t happened to my family, I would probably be working …. as a troll online.”

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago

That’s a great video to show how a quickly a person who believes in vaccinations can change their mind.

Great Find.

Thanks for sharing. <3

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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You like photoshop dane?

That’s funny.