Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury Looks at the Criminalization of Homelessness in Eureka
Over the last few days, we’ve been posting the 2018-2019 Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury reports. They are easy to read and informative.
For links to the previous posts go to the bottom of this one or for a little background on the Grand Jury click here:
This is the fourth report from the 2018-2019 Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury (Civil Grand Jury). The report examines how law enforcement tools affect homelessness in Eureka, and is titled:
Les Misérables: The Criminalization of the Homeless in the City of Eureka
After receiving a complaint alleging homeless in Eureka were being unfairly targeted through the enforcement of specific ordinances, the Civil Grand Jury decided to investigate the effectiveness and impact of the law enforcement tools the City of Eureka put in place to address homelessness.
Beginning in 2012, the Eureka City Council (ECC) enacted and amended several ordinances identifying certain behaviors and activities that can largely be applied to the homeless population. The ordinances have had support from the business community, law enforcement, and the City Manager’s office. All the ordinances were approved unanimously by the ECC, though some are not being actively enforced.
Our investigation found use of law enforcement as a primary tool in dealing with homelessness is counterproductive. In Eureka, evacuating encampments simply dispersed problems from a contained location to a wider area of the city. Citations and arrests of homeless have not resulted in reducing the overall number of unhoused people in Eureka. Evidence indicates that criminalizing the human activities of the unhoused is far more costly than providing transitional and permanent housing and support services. Creating more debt through fines and criminal records through arrests erects steeper barriers for the homeless in finding work and qualifying for housing in an ever [tightening] rental market.
Throughout our investigation we discovered every agency and organization involved with homelessness is sincerely invested in the goal of ending the crisis. However, lack of communication and coordination among these entities is hindering reaching that goal. While homelessness can seem to be an insurmountable social illness, the Civil Grand Jury recommends a number of steps that could begin to move the City of Eureka in a more positive direction.
The full report is attached.Les Miserables_ The Criminalization of the Homeless in the City of Eureka
Earlier reports:
- Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury Looks at Housing First Approach to Homelessness
- Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury Looks at ADA Compliance
- Humboldt County Civil Grand Jury Looks at Mental Health Care
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Yes, you should be free to dump your garbage wherever you stand, shit in doorways, stick needles into people’s doors (I even had to extract one from our doorstop where I used to work!), steal shopping carts, steal from cars, block sidewalks, run out into traffic, harass people trying to get to and from their cars, and generally be criminally harmful in every possible way you can imagine, with no consequences whatsoever, obviously.
There’s a big difference between “being homeless shouldn’t be a crime” and “the homeless should be given a free pass to commit crimes”. And we already have way too much of the latter happening.
Every picture tells a story don’t it, I was in the homeless community for many years and that is one of the hardest jobs that you could do. People think that it is easy for those who are put in the situation, the solutions might not be easy because there’s so much bigotry against the homeless. These people are part of our family and some might have different types of mental illness some of our veterans are out there on the streets struggling day to day, after risking their lives and being traumatized. I would like to promote tiny house communities with very large community gardens, some of which can be sectioned off for different residence a sharing of food is one of the most important things in these coming times. And the people that are living in the streets right now we’ll become leaders and forerunners of tomorrow if given a chance!
You are so right, but some reason the media and the bleeding hearts leave these things out of their discussions regarding the homeless. Look at all the businesses and homes that have to install fences around their properties. Just last week our business neighborhood had to call EPD three times to remove the same couple from one of the businesses where these folks were shooting up and getting ready to spend the night–and this was in the middle of the day! In my opinion, I believe a big reason a lot of these folks are homeless is because they have worn out their welcome with friends and family members, so their last resort is to be homeless and not have to live by anyone else’s “rules,” which is why laws against some of their behavior must remain in tact and be enforced.
So you’re telling me, since I built myself a house and I’m not homeless, If I defecate on the street, shoot up heroin on the streets, accost people for money as they walk down the street, decide to sleep in the doorway of some business, set up a camp in some random spot on public land and proceeded to throw garbage everywhere Ect.. that I would not be arrested because I’m not homeless? I thought these laws apply to everyone?
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” Anatole France
What does Anatole say about drug use, needle litter, environmental destruction, car burglaries, and the like?
Nothing that I recall but this seems appropriate…
Distrust everyone in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ah but he couldn’t cope with much of anything in his life, thought everyone else was the problem and lived off the generosity of friends who he ended up burning through until all he had left to care for him was his almost equally dysfunctional sister, ended up a mentally ill drug addict. It’s hard to tell whether he was unstable from birth or accumulated incompetence by choice. Yet his ideas, ever changing except in their objecting to everyone else’s ideas, speak to the perpetually disaffected. Seems appropriate to quote on this subject.
Quotes often have power because they are pithy explanations of a problem/societal situation. Nietzsche is not my favorite philosopher but…in this case, he encapsulated in a few words what I have observed over and over–those whose first and greatest impulse is to punish are bad parents, bad teachers, often bad neighbors.
whatch you say bout my mama
If that’s a truth about your upbringing not just a joke, then I’m very sincerely sorry. I was mostly raised with love and it has been a platform that has helped me my whole life. I can’t imagine the pain of growing up where punishment was a ditch you had to climb out of before you could function.
but it builds character.
I’d like to think that love helps but folks with character find their way regardless.
this is probably why so many love you Kym. thank you again for you
Dang, suddenly I’m teary. Thank you for being kind.
The first impulse is to avoid those who disrupt. When they can’t be avoided because they have the right to be jackasses, then the problem becomes what to do with them. When the “what to do with them” starts controlling every aspect of life, then punishment seems like the only alternative. You confuse those who seek self satisfaction from the power to punish- also a maladaption – with punishment as the only option before chaos sucks up everyone.
The homeless are about a tenth of a percent of the population yet they have gained control of the lives of the other 99.9 percent because a few have the delusion that if only more resources were focussed on them they would become – what? Less of a burden? Less destructive? Less mentally ill or drug addicted? Less unattractive? Advocating for the rights of people who make crappy choices to be supported in their ability to make continued crappy choices just leads to more crappy choices.
Until the involuntary commitment rules are loosened, it is foolish to think that you can gently “love” people into changing their lives. People may not like the results of their choices but they surely like the freedom to keep choosing them.
You don’t have to “love” people into changing (though it helps.) You can look at some programs that work for all of society. Housing the homeless has a proven track record of reducing the impact on jails and other services and on society in general. And it sometimes helps the homeless stabilize and began to climb out of poverty. Look, about 15% of the homeless are chronic–mental health, drugs, whatever. But the rest are forced into the situation by the increasing cost of housing/the lack of it.
Utah, a notoriously conservative state, decided to look at the situation clearly. They discovered the chronically homeless cost over $30,000 per year (jail, policing, etc). Housing that same individual costs less than half of that. So they started housing people and have had a lot of economic savings.
Here’s an article in Forbes (conservative and solid media) that talks about these sorts of programs and their overall success. https://www.forbes.com/2006/08/25/us-homeless-aid-cx_np_0828oxford.html#53ec1653777e
This is my favorite article but it does come from Mother Jones and you might not trust them. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/housing-first-solution-to-homelessness-utah/
plus utah has a lot less deaths (since they started the housing option), as their state gets really cold sometimes. the difference is they dont force you into housing
Just because they house them doesn’t mean they don’t still cost society almost as much on top of the housing. They won’t stop dumping trash, using and dealing drugs, etc, just because someone sticks them in a house. Assuming that the entire cost of a homeless person on society is replaced with the cost of housing them is utterly bad logic. And the second article does the exact thing I mentioned last time this topic came up – the first thing they do is claim success based on the number of people without houses being decreased by giving them houses, rather than any actual measure of their effects on society. They then present some numbers which sound really nice, until you realize that the people who were successful in getting into and staying in the housing program probably were the same people who cost less already, and they’re using a subset of the population as if it represented the entire population.
Also, they’re fucking praising the church? They need to be working on _reducing_ crazy, not encouraging it. Any group of people who believe it’s perfectly ok to talk to invisible sky beings is not qualified to provide mental health help.
It feels like you didn’t read the whole article…
“The results were remarkable. After five years, 88 percent of the clients were still in their apartments, and the cost of caring for them in their own homes was a little less than what it would have cost to take care of them on the street. A subsequent study of 4,679 New York City homeless with severe mental illness found that each cost an average of $40,449 a year in emergency room, shelter, and other expenses to the system, and that getting those individuals in supportive housing saved an average of $16,282. Soon other cities such as Seattle and Portland, Maine, as well as states like Rhode Island and Illinois, ran their own tests with similar results. Denver found that emergency-service costs alone went down 73 percent for people put in Housing First, for a savings of $31,545 per person; detox visits went down 82 percent, for an additional savings of $8,732. By 2003, Housing First had been embraced by the Bush administration.”
The study that showed the least impact still showed a small amount of cost savings and of course even if you don’t care about humanitarian reasons, there is the vast benefit that people are not pooping under bridges, sleeping in doorways, leaving trash behind, etc. And, don’t forget, one showed a savings of around $16,000. That counted “other expenses to the system.” There were others that counted even more savings.
Hrmm, somehow I can’t reply to your post, but I can reply to my own post. Go figure…
I did read it, but I admit I was in a hurry. I saw that though, and it’s part of what I was replying to.
I expect the 12% that were not still in the program correlates very strongly with the most expensive portion of the population – so saying that people in the program cost less doesn’t necessarily mean that the program reduced people’s costs, but it could be that the program ended up with the less-expensive portion of the population, giving misleading numbers.
Part of it is that I really do not have sympathy for people who decide to use drugs. People don’t decide to have mental illness, but no one accidentally started using heroin, meth, etc. At some point every one of them made the decision “I think I’m going to go purchase this illegal substance from a shady dealer that I have to find, obtain a needle and other paraphernalia, and inject it into my body, even though virtually everyone says it’s a horrible idea and I shouldn’t do it.” And then they refuse to take responsibility for their own decision – and, in fact, keep making the same decision every day, despite ample offers of help. And we really shouldn’t be rewarding that.
It also pisses me off that people who refuse to work get more free stuff than people who make the responsible decision to take care of themselves. Why are people who work hard punished? Where’s my free house? I slave my ass off every day for a guy I hate, and still can’t remotely afford a house around here. If you want to start giving away housing vouchers, give them to everyone. Call it universal basic income or whatever the hell you want, but don’t selectively use them to punish responsible people. But, no, everyone screams “socialism!”, and we can’t possibly ever have that…
(I’d be perfectly fine with some forms of socialism. I am, despite what some people on these comments have said, actually quite a liberal! And not just because of the whole girls-with-strapons thing…)
Even if their logic is correct that it saves money (I don’t think it is, but I could of course be wrong), that doesn’t mean it’s doing the right thing.
In order to keep the comment section from getting to difficult to read there is a limit to a number of replies that can be made to a comment (10 deep I think). However, you can make a reply to the last person if you need to to continue the conversation. (I have a special override that I use in the back end of the site so this doesn’t apply to me.)
I started to respond in depth and then I realized that I have to get up at 5:30 and it’s after 10:30 so maybe we’ll continue tomorrow.
Yay, I’m not the only morning person left in humboldt. 🙂
Aww. oh well. I like when you have an actual argument for me instead of all the people who just call each other names or yell crazy things. 🙂
I usually only reply to folks who will actually engage in a reasoned argument. (That means I appreciate you, too)
Back to the homeless, the ones in the entire study were the chronically homeless.
So let every body entitled to some punishment or more reap the call .of those suffering unwanted poverty amidst the great call those pushing blindly have never known or ever will know given in return the unconditional sacrifice of love to those judged because of homelessness by those judging with out having walked in the shoes beating pavement by the homeless they dont even know
Digging into the archives. …I thought it was a recent article.
Congratulations on an expensive exercise in nonsense. The Finding 11 summarizes the whole exercise- “We commend those committed to solving the issue of homelessness who are working hard, yet struggling to find viable solutions.” While remaining very silent on the misery caused by homeless individuals to businesses and the public, this report regurgitated the rhetoric of the same people they say are not finding “solutions”- more money. There is one thing that “criminalization” at least has done- the risk of running over one of the lines of panhandlers congregating at every major intersection has mostly disappeared.
Ironically THAT solves the homeless problem, at least for one guy.
~this proves my point why i don’t read the nonsense articles.
Commenters have it down and say it like it is.
Darn, don’t want to be collecting any facts that might allow you to be a better informed commenter.
That is a pretty common behavior among humans. People tend to look for facts that support their thinking. It’s a rare bird that looks for facts to challenge their thinking. It’s my constant whine about those who provide facts to the public.
Really? You insult me and my website and then when I merely suggest (somewhat sarcastically) that reading the articles might make you an informed reader who doesn’t, for instance, keep thinking I’ve deleted her comments when I haven’t, then you say I break the rules…? And, yet, no matter how rude you are to me, you get to keep making your comments. Why do I bet that should you have a website, and I commented as rudely as you do, then I would be deleted?
~what facts do you need explained, Kym?
Vaccine ingredients that i posted today? Oh but, “Darn, you don’t want to be collecting any facts that might allow YOU to be a better informed commenter”. – Delete.
Or my comment thanking Connie Dobbs and Anon on that same thread. – Delete.
“Congratulations on an expensive exercise in nonsense.”
” this report regurgitated the rhetoric” –Avoiding Eureka.
Three plus three still equals six no matter how you spin it or delete it.
“Laws and rules without punishment are only guidelines for manipulation .”
More n more homeless, more n more thievery, more n more illegal border crossers. All only adding to a problem that is unstoppable at this moment in California. We (the tax paying law abiding citizens) are being manipulated!
We, the People, are being manipulated. Taxpayer, U.S. Citizen, or not.
I prefer to think that it’s a case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease taken to a foolish extreme. There are few wheels not squeaking anymore and the quiet wheel is ignored until it joins the rest. Imagine if the non squeaky wheel was regularly tended to. Why there would be a great falling off of squeaky wheels and what would the squeaky wheel attendant do about the loss of importance… Probably put sand in the hubs…
True hmco. Are thieves, drug addicts and illegal aliens being manipulated? No. They are taking full advantage of this country and it’s weak upheld laws. When they do break the law, someone steps up and says there being discriminated on. When citizens or law speaks out, they are called racist nazis to defuse the truth. Actullay I take back the part on illegal aliens, they are actually being manipulated. They are being manipulated by left-liberals with the promise of free stuff and a better life if they vote for the candidate that promises such things paid for by they very people they are taught to loathe. Free healthcare for every illegal that crosses the border! Paid for by who? Give every illegal alien that crosses the border the right to vote. These are the manipulating promises that the Democratic Party are proposing. So yes, they are being manipulated for a cause the does not include them in the near future. What do you have then? The very issue we are talking about right now. More homeless, more thievery, more drug addicts and pushers.
And By the way.. Illegal Immigrants actually contribute more to the taxes and to the Economy than they take.. I am not saying there are not issues, around illegal immigration. but not contributing is really not one of them.. Besides.. actually most illegal immigration is by Overstayed Visa’s as apposed to boarder crossings..
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17229018/undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes
vox is lies
Actually both are being manipulated, and played by the oligarchs/ polyarchy IMHO… Personally, I am not a fan of completely open Boarders.. Also not a fan of the wall… I have extended family who have crossed the boarder more than a few times..
I don’t blame the people for seeking a better life, many who come here are very good people.. Very family orientated.. And extremely hard working..
However, it serves the Oligarchs to keep immigrants less than citizens, as they are able to then be threatened and manipulated, over worked, and underpayed…
And yes there are some really bad Apples who then also come thru, that is also true..
At the same time, companies can pay Americans less because they can hire people for extreme less wages, circumvent worker protections, and treat People w/indignity..
This keeps American Citizens Blaming Non Citizens, which only stands to propetuate the indifference, and maintain division, which then keeps immigrants from having protections, where in Big Buisness then wins again… and the cycle continues..
I mean in an Ideal world, I would luv to see completely open Boarders.. The true way of the world, as it stands.. probably not.. unfortunately.. Bringing the whole world here will not solve the circumstances of the world. INMO..
Unfortunately, US companies have gotten away with also profiting off of tax Free exploitation of the rest of the world.. A company that used to pay $30 an hour.. making electrical parts for cars, can no go right across the boarder to Juarez..and Pay $5 an hour.. Import to the US TAX FREE.. America is where people buy massive amount of CRAP OLA.. we are the market… We are the market for infectious useless over kill crap.. Why does America allow this?? Again Big Money Agendas played by both sides… of the political spectrum…
Anyway..I guess this plays into the deeper bigger picture of chronic homelessness in America, where wages have plummeted, and housing costs have skyrocketed… Many working class jobs, that people used to work.. have hugely dried up… or pay little..
I would actually say though that many Chronicly homeless people are American Citizens.. However, I think chronic homelessness is really more of a problem in Westrenized modern civilization, because even though the rest of the world may have problems with Poverty… I have observed there isn’t necessarily a huge problem with “homelessness” because people build shanty towns, or have structures that are not necessarily built to extensive over regulatory conditions..
Like say, in Mexico City, If there is an empty lot.. people will build on it.. the gov, will then come and acknowledge that it’s there, maybe a small Sitation and move on.. plus they have open free markets that are not on extreme lock down..
I am just suggesting that punishment for being “ homeless “ will not solve the problem… and it serves to make it worse.. allowing a Shanty, or Camping village is a realistic sensible realistic approach. Maybe a few of them..
I agree that criminal enforcement doesn’t work. Mainly because in order for the stick to be effective, the person receiving it has to have something to lose.
But for a lot of these people, the carrot isn’t working either. If you are homeless and want help, or have an addiction and want help, or have a mental illness and recognize that you need help, or all three of these things… help is available and the city goes out of its way to get you services.
The crazy fools that we all see roaming about are the ones that refuse to accept help or are so far gone that they can’t stay in any program long enough to start the road to recovery.
These people need to be scraped up and involuntarily housed in a facility where their self destructive and socially destructive behavior is at least contained. The closest thing we have to such a facility is … a jail. Aaaaand…. square one all over again.
well the carrot… so if you get a job then they cut your benefits… like they take away you jerry brown phone when you make too much money, so the idea of the phone is to get a job but once you get one you end up with the same amount of money but now you have to work. i know why it is so easy to sell socialism to these people and it is because they want to keep the free sheet once they get a job.
Typical Clintonian liberal response to a terrible problem and burden on the taxpayer and law abiding citizen. Create more of a burden on the taxpayer! House and feed and clean and cure people who CHOOSE their lifestyles. This grand jury might as well be Antifa. They hide behind the masks of anonymity easily enough.
And no surprise this website owner quotes a Frenchman. Leftist French novelists and philosophers are the darlings of American reds. Here’s my quote for druggies, thieves and other lawbreakers: “off with their heads!”
Is Stevie Wonder American enough for you?
“What I’m not confused about is the world needing much more love, no hate, no prejudice, no bigotry and more unity, peace and understanding. Period.” Stevie Wonder
I would prefer a world where almost everyone contributed to society more than they extracted from it. That would make it possible to have the resources to take care of the few who are intrinsically incapable. When those who crap on society take more than the society accumulates in excess, love of them becomes fatal to all. Those who tend to take care of themselves and those who don’t all get dragged down together.
I too would prefer a world where more is given than is taken. But, while I see a reason for setting boundaries, I don’t see a way forward through hate and disgust at those who haven’t yet succeeded. And more of the same failed criminalization of drug use/homelessness/mental illness seems likely to lead to more of the failed state we see around us.
“Haven’t yet succeeded”? When is it finally ok to actually do something when that blessed state of success never arrives?
I don’t like criminalization as a tool either but when you have cut off all other, more effective options because they have proven to be repugnant in some measure, that is all you have. It’s like a seriously debilitating disease with the ability to spread. If you can’t heal it with care a community can afford to offer, then confining it to limit its spread is the only viable option yet our modern delicate sensibilities find that repulsive to. People demand a solution that doesn’t burden them with guilt over the ugliness it creates. The trouble is that guilt and ugliness are intrinsic and inescapable. The only choice is to choose which is less destructive to that which is not ugly. Sob sisters need to stand aside and let those with the nerves of surgeons try for success.
Sigh. Dalton. Its cheaper to house people than to jail them.
Punishment is not the most effective form of behavior modification. Anyone who works with kids or animals can verify that. We dont shame illiterate adults into learning to read, we support and encourage their progress. Whenever they take up the task of learning
And guest…you sound ominous…. What will you be cutting off?
Other people’s poverty is annoying but you do not have a right to a life free of annoyance. Pick up the trash, step over their sleeping bodies on your way inside your comfortable home or profitable business and look at how lucky you are to have been given a good upbringing and a sense of perserverance.
But cutting people down for not living up to their potential or your expectations makes your character much lower than any junky’s.
You are right. Most of us make choices and some start from bad places and don’t have any help making better. Some in spite of every help can’t seem to choose less destructive ways. But, the point is that whether someone chose their position or were forced into it, society is financially better off (not to mention we have less waits at the Emergency Room, less overworked criminal system, better/cleaner streets, etc) if we house them whether they deserve it or not.
You can get hung up on punishing people for their choices or you can try and figure out what makes the most sense for everyone.
We still think a massive military budget is OK, in a time of peace.
Don’t we already have enough weapons of war?
Bill Gates
Ted Turner
Oprah Winfrey, etc
All believe in population reduction.
The question, is how exactly does that happen?
Some would say it’s already been put into place.
🕯🌳By over criminalizing it it might put a burden on a already burdened system. The Humboldt County Court System and Correctional System. Improve these first before you think about passing a law. I know they are nasty and I don’t like seeing the needles, trash, shit,ect laying about but you can’t just jump in to F without starting at A.
“If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.”
― Mother Teresa
Old dude? What do they have to offer? Social parasites offer nothing n return but misery for society.That’s why a lot of us are fed up. We supposed to help,support, pay more taxes, lend more hands. For what? I’ll stop here
When you cannot accept that somebody in the gutter is your brother or sister. Then you are so blind that you cannot see, there little hope for you. My only advice is that you never put another pair of shoes on The life you say is not productive might become your very own. Sounds like you are clearly on your way.
Dr doom. I was there for many a year
Ok then it just seemed like you might have lost your morality there for a minute I am not trying to throw you into the pits of hell all that we really have is our souls and if judgment came down tomorrow most Street people have a cleaner sheet then people that live in their little boxes and some might even be happier then being in debt for all our most of some people’s lives
“all that we really have is our souls and if judgment came down tomorrow most Street people have a cleaner sheet then people that live in their little boxes and some might even be happier then being in debt for all our most of some people’s lives”
~you can say that twice and mean it.
Yes humCo I know people who are so far in debt buying land and building their home getting business loans and running hard everyday nose to the grinding stone to pay off giant loans one little mistake can swallow them into financial ruin I hope they make it would be hell if they don’t working many years to end up in the gutter being homeless the day-to-day struggle could be very hard one of the hardest jobs you can have but then on the other hand if you had a job like Estelle Gotti and the whole community hate your guts even though you make a lot of money there is way more judgment on her head if she wins another term she might not live through it because she knows how much people hate her and how much she has ruined the community
Some Street people pollute way less and have done other people and things less harm how do we judge people anyhow
†************************ hopefully not by the clothes they wear
It sounds, from the comments here, that many of us think the answer to the homeless issue is to punish MORE, help LESS. So if what we are doing now does not work, YOU WANT TO DO MORE OF IT?
That is, unfortunately, the American way.
Because the thing that is not working is having to rely on punishment in the first place because all other options have been shut off. There will always be those incapable of existing in society as it stands. Adopting standards that all revolve around giving them what they need (and they always need more) leads to a situation where their needs drain societies’ ability to provide for itself yet it will never be enough.
“When an action, positive or negative, is repeated for three generations it becomes genetically encoded. It becomes an inborn autogenic response. If a monkey collects ants on a honey-coated stick, for example, and other monkeys see he is eating more than they, they copy him. By the time the hundredth monkey begins collecting ants on a honey-coated stick, the added energy creates an ideological breakthrough that affects the whole society. When the whole society of monkeys does this for three generations, it becomes their culture. According to Ken Keyes Hundredth Monkey studies, when that hundredth monkey’s added energy creates the ideological breakthrough, evolution occurs. Even monkeys on other continents start collecting ants on honey-coated sticks without copying. They are born knowing.”
― Cathy O’Brien
It’s a thought but that presumes that honey will always be available for all. What happens when so many break into hives to take the honey? Do the bees not die off? Then is there not a battle over dwindling supplies? Can supply side economics ever prosper without some self control of its users, which might seem silly when in the midst of the apparently endless supply of honey and ants?
It’s a 100th monkey example. Not economics and theft.
Glyphosate and aluminum are killing off life forms.
Here today, gone tomorrow.
Thousands of Honey Bees die after recent large earthquake. https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/73736/watch-honey-bees-drop-dead-following-california.html
The other day, Dutch Sense reported several fires west of the earthquake.
To lighten the mood, I’ll post a vid of a YT make up artist taping a tutorial during the big earthquake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0jQKFCE5J8
Ever see the Netflix show BlackMirror? Reminds me of an episode based around indentured servitude. Clear out some prisons, equip them with treadmills and stand up bikes.
Make them walk and or ride all day creating energy. Charge them energy credits for the food and housing while they peddle. For those homeless addicts, supply them with more drugs or whatever as long as they peddle/walk faster. This episode should be applied to all those that are not a positive cog in the machine. Clean energy and no more free rides
Thats tooo funny
I would ask that all you complainers, throw out some solutions to the people problem( and i am not talking soilent green) It’s so apparent that it will require tax payer money,perhaps opening some ol military bases or better yet homeless island,pay for there food ,hey out of sight out of mind.I often wonder how other countries deal with this problem,I heard someone touring a large city in japan, diden’t see even one pan handler or person sleeping on the street, we pay money to fix everything else roads ect. lets pay taxes to fix this ,probably one of the biggest problems we have today.
Zoning for one. Have the laws and enforce them strictly even when it raises ugliness in certain places while tacitly letting the ugliness exist in a few places where it is less damaging. But put the option in the hands of those who enforce and don’t be so squeamish about it being unfair. It’s never going to be fair but it will be less dangerous.
Beside, having lived in Japan, I can tell you that there are homeless, drunks, drug addicts and mentally ill. But they live tend in the shadows and avoid bringing attention to themselves because the Japanese think that they are responsible for their own predicament and are pretty uniform about not tolerating deviant behavior in public. The police have a lot of authority in Japan. And government officials prefer not to look bad by acknowledging the homeless exist.
The homeless in Japan are just as polite as the culture itself is mannerly. https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/homelessness-in-japan. Manners are strictly enforced once a child reaches school age and it becomes a part of the individual. The Japanese may not be “nicer” than any other group but they are sure to be polite as individuals.
oh someone wants a solution. now i will restate the obvious. how about less taxes. i know it sounds crazy but it is the reason a lot of people become homeless. i know personally people that go homeless because dmv registration is too high and then mandatory insurance is another cost then gas is too expensive and so on and so on. if you make life cheaper to live then less people will go homeless. give people a chance to survive instead of taxing them into homelessness to pay for homelessness. there are so many examples of taxes i couldnt possibly name them all, you have to pay a tax to throw away ‘ewaste’ you have to pay a tax to throw away old tire you have to pay a tax to wipe your butt (yes sales tax on toilet paper and not covered by food stamps). california even has a bullshit tax yep they tax bulls that take shits
I’m all for taxing the poor less. But I doubt that taxing everyone less is going to help.
its all about how they phrase it. they dont call those things i mentioned ‘taxes’ they call them other names like registration and what not. hey some common ground.
This does not seem effective. As a taxpayer, I’d prefer my money & the County to curve homelessness using proven successes, not criminalize.
Oh fantasy where is thy test of reality?
🕯🌳No I think Kym is right housing, mental health a few other programs similar is were it needs to start.
There is no fixing any of this. Our human population will double in less than 100 years. I am the problem, my kids kids are the problem. Depopulation on mass is the only cure. Darwinism and evolution of the smart and strong is the solution. We can’t save everyone, and in doing so, will be our downfall as a species. Doesn’t work in Mother Nature, never has. Just had this conversation with my 7 year old daughter on a nest of baby barn swallows in her window. Nest is overcrowded and two baby birds are dying. She wants to save them and touch them. I said if you do that, you are risking the whole nest of birds dying., it’s the sad truth.
did anyone else catch Tucker’s spin on how this US hard drug/criminal problem is primarily white conservatives, especially in the mid-west? spoiler alert – he blames liberal policies for taking away all the good paying jobs these conservatives once had, mainly their dads and how the kids grew up in a broken home. scapegoating never bares fruit.
He learned it from the liberal and socialist masters of rhetoric . It’s never useful to blame someone else. You can’t do much about someone else but there is one person who has the power to change the situation- yourself. Who ever Tucker is should start there.
A decent write up about Hobo’s that might be of relevance as we opine with pointed fingers. https://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/dont-call-them-bums-the-unsung-history-of-americas-hard-working-hoboes/
haha, lovin’ the comments in this video.
When permits cost more than the land… only in California. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA5fh29rhLs
Is this why it costs 1 billion bucks to build a new apt complex?
~i always like the comment sections . . .” Do you have a permit to get a permit”?
Another recent Kalifornia “LAW”
Counties and Cities Are Banning The DIY’s Right To Repair!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssD83heq258 18 mins. July 11
“Gunsmithing and ammo reloading should be the two most popular pastimes in CA”. -comment section.
The west coast wants their coast back. Oregon is finally recalling their governor too.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/oregon-gop-kate-brown-recall-petition/index.html
~this is good news! Thank you, shak, for keeping us informed about GovernMental recalls.
My thought, on the local scene, is – WHY is Estelle Fennell S T I L L play acting her role AS IF she’s representing SoHum people? More than enough signatures were gathered 6-7 months ago.
“Power to the People, right on”!
YW, CH.
It should be easy enough to find the documents necessary that proves the tyranny. Was she deceiving the people by using tax payers funds to hire outside interests to ‘create’ sustainable smart growth plans that everyone knows were already created long ago by the same globalists that ‘awards’ her for participating in their smart growth sustainable planning? Was she deceiving the people by zoning for 3/4 of the people but not for the whole? Was she deceiving the people by promising to extend the permit time allotments then agree to bring in the NG to bust all their asses instead?
I don’t follow her enough to know what the main deceptions are, but I can guess most of the complaints are about the same as the other counties along the coast who say that their officials will do anything for ‘funds’, even when it means selling the citizens out to foreign governments.
Dig, people, dig!
For beginners is Estelle’s threat from Bridgeville meeting in 2017:
“You’re not going to pull the wool over our eyes. Eventually, we’re going to get you.”
I am very glad to see the Grand Jury take a close look at the issue of homelessness. A lot of thought and effort obviously went into that report. Thank you. We can whine and complain about needles and shit but that does not solve any problems. If it is less expensive to house these people than to jail them then I am all for it. If housing them does not solve the criminal issues then send them on to jail. If illegal drugs continue to be an issue then send them to lock down rehab. Address the problems of mental illness as appropriate. Use the state disability funds that many of them already qualify for to help meet the financial burden of providing housing and services. Any people left on the streets are either unable to take care of themselves and are probably eligible to become wards of the state; or they are willfully choosing to be out on the streets and can just move themselves and their needles and their shit elsewhere.