In Opinion Piece, DFW Urges Cannabis Cultivators to Become Legal
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The California Department of Fish and Wildlife provided the following opinion piece on cannabis.
Since the passage of Proposition 64, cannabis cultivation has exploded throughout the state.
In California, there are an estimated 50,000 cannabis cultivators. Of that number, only a small percentage are seeking to become legal or are in full compliance with state and county laws.
For California to have a thriving legal cannabis industry, those in the shadows need to come forward and obtain the required permits and licenses.
When unpermitted growers enter the equation, they prevent the legal cannabis market from thriving, have a significant impact on market value and give licensed cultivators a bad name. In some cases, black market grows are using banned pesticides, harming wildlife, diverting scarce water resources and polluting waterways.
Over the last 18 months, the California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW) and other state and local agencies have all extended a helping hand to cannabis cultivators through public workshops and other outreach activities, providing information in support of state licensing.
Help and resources are available for anyone who is interested. Cultivators with questions can email CDFW at [email protected] or attend one of the upcoming cannabis permitting workshops being held throughout the state. You can find dates and locations at www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Cannabis/Events.
In many cases, small fixes on a property can make a substantial difference to minimize impacts to fish and wildlife resources.
Cultivators will find that becoming part of the legal cannabis market is much cheaper than having your grow shut down. CDFW has collaborated with the state’s licensing authority for cultivation, the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA), and the State Water Resources Control Board (SWRCB) to coordinate enforcement and compliance efforts.
Failure to comply with CDFW or SWRCB permit requirements could mean a suspension, revocation or denial of a state cultivation license.
State agencies licensing or regulating commercial cannabis activity understand that the process can be cumbersome. These organizations take this into account when working with growers who reach out for help. Like any new industry, there will be growing pains and a learning curve. The hope is that this will ease over time.
Licensed growers also need to encourage their unlicensed colleagues to come forward. Remember, your neighbor’s grow may not be licensed or environmentally friendly and it may be dipping into your profits.
Today, many cultivators are at a crossroads. Making the choice to become a licensed grow will no doubt make a difference to the environment, to your future and ultimately help the legal cannabis market firmly establish itself.
The people of California have entrusted CDFW with the conservation of fish and wildlife for their use and enjoyment by all. But the CDFW cannot succeed alone and needs your participation to help solidify the legal cannabis industry.
Are you ready to do your part?
Joshua Grover, CDFW Cannabis Program Director
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Is the state and county of Humboldt ready to make permits affordable and not gentrify our area more with outrageous permits and fees?
No they will not. If you can’t play by the new rules leave. That is the message.
aka if you don’t like pot nazi’s you’re just another bearjew like me!
Everyone might want to read “Playing God In Yellowstone”. It shows that for many decades, the federal governments view of wildlife and land equates to money. Their only concern is power over it. This is nothing new. CDFW views all of us and our hard earned money as numbers, applicants, violators, criminals and their paychecks, not as neighbors, friends, family, or fellow community members. Humboldt county joined ICLEI in 2007. Looks like we’re walking right down that path.
When will you learn. Vote republican and this crap would have never happened. Especially in California. Newson is a liberal bafoon. Pelosi is joke. Should have kept evething illegal. Then we could hide a few plants to get a new car or Mabey vacation if willing to risk it. California really f?&@$@ everything up and I believe it’s unfixable. Just don’t vote anymore if your going to vote for these fools you have already wrecked California. Thanks alot
You are so correct. Look at the job Trump has done, and how well the economy is going. I just saw a democrat on the news this morning, saying that when they get the Muller report then they can start working on infrastructure and other things. WHAT ? You can’t work on these things now? In his district there are hungry people, over taxed, people, crap schools, needles and shit in parks, but no, instead of helping the people in his district, he is dicking around the halls of congress doing nothing for his paycheck. Fuck them. He needs to be fired. What crap is that? Oh, our mommy didn’t get elected, so we are depressed and won’t do anything. We have to go to counseling because our mommy lost to a far superior person. What an asshole.
Vote Republican and you get the dumbest of the dumb ruining our country for the sake of the rich. [edit] Every time the stinkin’ peabrain Republicans take over the economy goes into the toilet. But you Conservatives don’t need those pesky, stinkn’ facts! That’s who Fox Fake News for dummies is for.
The deck is stack my friend. Both sides are just in it for the sport. Like the NFL, where it’s just about going to the coliseum and watching the lions slaughter for the spectacle. Politics is just a game to be played, like football. It’s unfortunate but the peaceful majority are largely irrelevant in this spectator sport, other than to fill the stadiums and pay their entrance fees.
That’s the hardest thing to remember. This system rewards those who rise through the ranks. We have long been made aware that we didn’t make the rules, we are merely tasked to play along, by hook or by crook, this game is dictated by the winners.
We do make the rules by consuming the result. It can be that a person plays the game to get elected but then uses that office to do some good work. But no! We have come to demand those who have done nothing he elected only because they can’t yet have screwed up. We not only get the government our defective understanding creates but we happily proceed to screw up what has worked through insisting it do what it can’t.
The trouble comes from the mass of the carping public who wants only their own flawed ideas and oscillates between ignoring what part of it they can get and complaining that what they can’t.
Lol. That’s funny. CNN wasted 2 years talking all day about nothing. I can’t belive you even went there 😂😂😂😂😂there’s no hope
who’s rules?
The issue is the pot consumer does not care and now they just dial up an unlicensed dealer while they sit at home waiting for their not tested pesticde filled crap and fake thc numbers. Growers are not the issue it’s the delivery services and consumers that do not care. The state’s focus is on the wrong people or its done on purpose to help the corporation as they learn how to grow weed.
Consumers care but dispensary prices are too high.
I saw with my own eyes. If the state cared they should run a campaign against the non tested stuff delivery services are pushing on to the market or an unlicensed dispensary they busted instead of strongarming us. And no the consumer does not care I seen with my own eyes all over this state.
“Gentrify?” What part of LA are you from?
Hey, [edit] Go after the big dogs in DFW. Be outside their offices, and when they leave, follow them and peacefully confront them. Be outside their off ices when they leave for a bust, take their pictures, block roads with fallen trees, hamper their activities, FUCK with them like they are FUCKING with US. They are taking our money with no transparencies. Call the big news people, Fox, CNN, and others. Call and ask for the Sacramento Bee, ask for some reporters and investigations. Investigate the money trail. They laugh about how much cash is given for licenses and fees, all invented for their pocket books. Do any of us think they use that cash legally, no, they pocket it for themselves, take it back from them. If we monitor their office, and we see them leave for a bust, follow them, and be ready to block the road they turn off on, block the road, take their pictures, make them uncomfortable. Do something.
~i like what you say, Stuber. I feel that it’s the coming together in peaceful assembly that we’re lacking in.
We need Plan A w/a back-up Plan B. Me, myself, i’m too over-confident and always fail on the Plan B part.
If we’re going into the belly of the beast, know thy enemy — the little man behind the curtain. The Only thing we’re dealing with, at a words-on-paper level, is jurisdiction. The Only thing i require is evidence for the claim. Certified copy of, each one of the unconscious Order Follower’s, Oath and Bond.
We’re not holding the line. Holding their feet to the fire. Bringing down heat from great heights, on those who willingly refuse to yield to the Supreme Law of the Land <<that T.H.E.Y. took an Oath to uphold!
Woe unto you, scribes (those that give the kingdom lip service, written and spoken but don't enter into themselves).
agree citizen arrest of cdfw needed… they are a right wing greenwashing org.
During WWII, people were encouraged to grow liberty gardens. California’s cannabis consumers’ needs could easily be satisfied sans government intervention were enough people to grow six backyard plants license-free. Maybe the CDFW could inspire Californians to grow their own supply? The produce could be bartered or gifted an ounce at a time, patriotically.
But you can’t just grow 6 “backyard” plants. They have to be in some sort of lockable structure. I’m not sure you can even grow six plants in your backyard if you live in the city.
Also 6 plans that’s fucking nothing! Things go wrong not all plants yield well, and where are you supposed to get the plants from? The dispensaries don’t seem to be selling them.
You’d have to have extremely long veg times to get any kind of decent yield from 6 plants. That means your annual yield will be pathetic! One problem pops up during your one run of the year and you won’t have anything. At the very minimum they need to make it a 12 plant limit.
I know people that can get roughly 40-50+ trimmed pounds out of 6 plantys.. Just saying..
In Humboldt, there is a square foot limit. I believe the plants have to be grown in
100×10010′ x 10′ area.Be a voice. Not an echo.
Ten by ten, or a hundred square feet, and must be “indoor”, a greenhouse qualifies. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Three (or all legal six) plants in a common 6×8 foot greenhouse (48 square feet) can get a person some weight.
This opinion piece is all well and good as an opinion, but the Department of Fish and Wildlife isn’t in the business of business. They should stick to matters of the environment, and not involve themselves in “market” wars. There really is no black market, as prior to prop 64, and still federally, there is no market at all. Anybody and everybody possessing so much as a speck of marijuana is under criminal jurisdiction. It’s literally insane to label the fruits of the earth a capital commodity before recognizing them as our birthright.
100′ x100′ would be great, people might actually be able to pay their property taxes and live within reasonable means, really its 10ft x 10ft = 100sqft, unless you have your medical card….
They really have made it not very legal at all. This isn’t legalization. This is regulation and taxation and control. Kym hasn’t admitted that yet…she still wants to believe that they are our friends and everything will be just fine and everybody is going to get a unicorn.
Honestly I cannot remember any bias from Kym, maybe I’m blind to it.
She does an outstanding job at keeping us informed and giving us a forum to discuss these issues. I’m glad shes not opinionated in her journalism.
But you are correct its not any more legal, making something legal defines what is and what is not legal.
By making it legal we created a new era of prop64 “criminals”, which ironically goes against the whole point of making it legal.
ugh, yes, you are right.
You are right. Not on the coast but inland these are not unreasonable yields. However…your water source becomes the means by which the state gains control of your grow. You must register and get inspected and pay fees for the water use- even if it is your own water and has always been so! Anyways I encourage everybody to grow 6 legal and very large plants. And sell your extra 40 pounds on the traditional market. Together we can undercut and destroy the “good players” market. That’s what we need to do at this point. I think many more of us can now see the writing on the wall and anticipate where this is heading? The greedy and cowardly sell-outs and the snitches and the government collaborators are not your friends.
Excellent, I prefer the term “traditional market” to “black market”. The media will never pick it up, but we should.
Long live the free market
it is best called the ‘ free market’
No you dont.
dfw asking criminals to follow the law.lol
CITIES AND COUNTIES CANNOT TELL YOU
WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO AND OWN
California Penal Code ß 1548(d): Laws of the United States means (1) those laws of the United States passed by Congress pursuant to authority given to Congress by the Constitution of the United States where the laws of the United States are controlling, and (2) those laws of the United States not controlling the several states of the United States but which are not in conflict with the provisions of this chapter. CONGRESS makes laws, NOT counties, cities, code enforcement, or dogcatchers.
Schad v. Ephraim, 452 U.S. 61, 68 L.Ed.2d 671, 101 S.Ct. 2176: Convictions, pursuant to zoning ordinance prohibiting live entertainment, live nude dancing, held invalid under First and Fourteenth Amendments. A town or county may not legislatively prevent its citizens from engaging in or having access to forms of protective expression that are incompatible with its majority conception of indecent life solely because these activities are sufficiently available in other locales. If the Supreme Court said that the city and county cannot dictate against live nude dancing, they certainly cannot dictate raising small or large animals or owning old cars either. Property ownership, and especially farming are forms of expression. Farmers, like painters, actors, musicians, writers, dancers, etc., use their experience, imagination, and skill to produce something from nothing. The Supreme Court said this is PROTECTED.
Another code, this one 18 US Code 242 Deprivation of rights under ‘color of law’.
“Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
We’re tired of bending over.
Become a snitch and grow for Marlboro. Great plan humboldt. You are not a outlaw marijuana grower anymore making tax free money and living off the land. You are a slave. Bought and owned.
Errrr because “being an outlaw marijuana grower making tax free money and living off the land” is not profitable anymore. They are criminals. Now they are criminals that can’t hang in the new game.
So, what is one to do when the law is lawless? no.. The true criminality here was making Cannabis illegal in the first place. I think the good people have paid enough dues, by having thier families separated and terrorized at gun point often, thier assests seized. Not paying taxes.. that’s a lie. Many paid the ultimate tax. I actually beilive repreations are in order.
“When the law itself is lawless by application and when the intent of the law is for extortion of wealth or reprisal over protection of the people, then the letter of the law itself becomes mute and the application thereof a crime in itself to be repudiated.”
“We live in a lawless society with a facade of law enforcement.”
― Steven Magee
they are criminals for growing to much of a plant that’s legal.
they are criminals for going over the speed limit.
they are criminals for not reporting all of their income
they are criminals for crossing a border illegally
they are criminals for x y z.
keep making growers into these evil criminals.
meanwhile your economy depends on them being criminals.
oh and do you know where cannabis is grown? on fucking land that gets taxed!
It’s like keeping most immigration illegal. You force people to stay in the shadows, and in time, you can have your pie, and eat it too.
These people are truly playing an evil game of hide and seek, cops and robbers, good fighting evil. …but with societies best and brightest acting as the string pullers for the puppet masters.
Yeah the new growers don’t have the outlaw guerilla mentality- they are mostly govt bootlickers and Dudley do-rights that couldn’t pack a 55 lb bag of bat guano more than 50 ft. If they had to. I’m happy to see the black market rebound a bit this season and see the supply drop. It really needed to happen. For that reason I support the abatement process. Most people have lost a lot more money to the drop in prices than a few thousand for abatement fines.
As for DFW, I wish they would worry about fish and wildlife, not people trying to make a living. Anyone who supports these wannabe cops by getting permitted is a traitor in my book.
Agreed!!!!
This letter would carry more weight if they were not such obstructionist.
Looks more like the Knights of Nee!
“Cultivators will find that becoming part of the legal cannabis market is much cheaper than having your grow shut down.”
Oh well since you put it that way everyone can afford it now. Fuck you asshole! We were betrayed when the cap on farm size was removed from the law. California department of fish and wildlife is nothing more than a personal police force for the wealthy now. Cannabis should not be taxed at a higher rate than any other crop! The cost of permits should be no more than what is required to process the permits.
All these workshops and outreach are only necessary because the process of getting permanented is so complex and convoluted that it cost tens of thousands of dollars to professional consultants to get through it.
If you stop the illegal grows, you’ll stop our economy right along with them. If you really care about the environment then you will find a way to make this process affordable and lower the taxes.
Sadly its not about the environment, its about how much they will make off of you.
Saving the Environmental cries are a joke, just a good excuse.
look at the cattle farms next to rivers leaching hundreds in not thousands of gallons of urine into the streams, you think they will do anything about that, nope.
But small cannabis farms with minimal impact, now that’s a gold mine!
They are illegal and are not organized, low hanging fruit in their eyes.
Powerful comment!
Undam the rivers to protect the fish and water. Worry about the water table in the central valley. Clean up the effects of bad logging practices. Pave rural roads. Stop runoff from large agriculture?
Nope I think we will run all over Humboldt and now maybe Mendocino to harass the smallest farms in the state with outrageous fines and no warrants..
Yeah – assholes trotted out similar propaganda during CAMP days. And they couldn’t stop us then. We will do all we can to disrupt and capsize your plan for corporate takeover, stealing of our water rights and pressing our neighbors into serfdom. You were the guys looking out for fish and wildlife and were respected as allies. But now you are the law enforcement branch and tax collectors for the corporate takeover of our communities. Now you are the enemy. We didn’t change- You did. And we will overgrow you.. in the treeline, on the logging land, in places too numerous and unenforcable because we know this land and you are outsiders plotting from an office in the city with your software and civil servants and snitches. We will cut your bloated and greedy “good players” market in half and bury it. We will overgrow you because… that is our mission. It has always been our mission. The money was a side issue…
1) black market has little effect on legal market, wtf are these guys thinking, the shit leaves cali.
2) prop 64 was suppose to limit 1 acre max grows for the first 5yrs, well you greedy fucks went back on that, and you dont mention how the effects the small growers from signing up.
3) if you didnt fine people when you show up on their property and find environmental issues, then maybe people wouldnt be scared to sign up and the the issues would get fixed, and actually help the environment. but the truth is you guys want the doe, its not about the environment you greedy fucks.
4) And now you want us to convince or snitch on our neighbors, what are we suppose to tell them, hey come on in to the legal market where they are going to screw you over and let the big guys corner the market?
5) the only people using harsh chemicals are cartel grows who bring the banned stuff from mexico, you think they are signing up 😂
If this article does not show how out of touch you guys are idk what does.
If you truly cared about the enviroment then show up, find solutions, get funding to help clean it up. Because the truth is the environmental issues will still be their with or without the grow.
Meanwhile the state cant figure out how to issue licenses and everything is a shit show.
Very well said and true^
Depending on your county Good luck getting the planning Dept to even take your phone call or answer your emails. Many parcels are disqualified from obtaing a permit due to zoning issues and setbacks (tpz specifically, even with legal 3 acre conversations). California sold out every farmer with the removal of the acre cap. Canadian companies with thier billions of dollars in financing are going to take over. The legal game is fucking bullshit. What’s the point of going legal? You get gouged by the state and county and consultants at every turn. They are bleeding farmers dry just to get a permit to compete against well funded corporations that don’t even need to make a profit for years or ever ( thanks to thier investors). All legal and non legal farmers are going to be out of biz anyways when this shit is federally legal In the coming years and the corps really take over. Why bother? Make some money while you can cause this shit is going to be coming to an end soon enough.
Now there is a bunch of bureaucratic bull.
Unfortunately, the problem with going “legal” is that the state of California did not keep thier word and blew the roof off the market by saturating it, by not keeping the Cap at 1 acre, leaving even the most legit farms to the temptation of the “Original” market.
Being legal or not will have little impact on the environment. There are legal farms out there that are just as bad environmentally. The only difference is one is paying the government for the privilege to be a bad player.
CDFW has also been very corrupt throughout the process, fining people as much as $10,000 for a single colvert.
Also, charging people an arm and a leg just to use thier own water is corruption at its finest.
Personally, I am for reasonable regulations. But the regulations put forth are excessively prohibitive and expensive. Your fees and guidelines are unreasonable. If Humboldt truly cared about the environmental impacts, and keeping the market healthy, they would have never ever approved any garden over 10,000 sq ft in the hills. Anything over that on our dirt roads, is a monster.. and honestly that is pretty big for our fragile hills.
Another big challenge put forth to smaller cultivators are the erroneous packaging reguirements that are definitely being used to target small cultivators with erroneous regulations.
The small cultivators that are struggling to survive are not the enemy. We are not the ones “flooding” the “market” quite blaming the small cultivators just trying to survive and understand who is really eating all the “profits”… Huge industrial farms that were permitted, after the state lied to everyone…
These fines issued by CDFW should be reserved for the biggest and most excessive polluters. There are bad players, on both sides..and I would like to see some of these bad players sent packing for sure.
And your “helping hand” has been nothing but a slap in the face, so don’t give me that.. “We here to help” line..
And shame on you Mr. Sir, for encouraging Neighbors and community members to turn against each other. Shame on you..
You just want to secure your job by terrorizing the good people here in the triangle, and propetuate a cycle of injustice that “legalization” was meant to end. You guys are terrified that your reign of “terror” will end and leave you unemployed. But stealing people’s lively hood with corruption and wrongful red tape is just as bad as any player in the hood. At the end of the day sir, YOU and your administration have a financial incentive to terrorize people, and turn Neighor against neighborhood, and that is morally bankrupt.
So have fun chasing your tail.. there is a reason good hard working folks did not sign up for your crap show… CDFW you are corrupt…
Well said!!!
TY!
So at what point does a group of a few thousand Humboldt citizens tell CDFW “You are abusing your power, please fuck off!”?
What percentage of voters in Humboldt asked for the CDFW to expand their jurisdiction over every drop of water?
I would also like to know who removed the farm size cap from the regulations. I asked Estelle and John Ford that directly infront of a crowd at the mateel, and they stammered and stuttered. Then John said, “That is at the state level, not the county.”
“Yes, I know. Who made that decision?” I repeated.
He said, “We’re not able to identify that person at this time.”
They fucking know who! Laws dont just fucking change on their own. I would like to see a figurative head roll for that!!! Lives are being destroyed in the name of greed thanks to some pricks in Sacramento.
Exactly R.D. The California market, were they expect us to compete with our product is limited. With it being an in-state market.. they know anything over an acre would be too much for the legal market to handle. It’s not just the state, it’s also the county. One of the first few permits approved by the county was 7/ 1 acre permits.. How much $ do you think the county made approving that permit? Probably a lot! So I strongly believe the county was in on the deception to push the state to take back the 1 acre cap. It’s madness. Complete madness. And it’s aimed to consolidate wealth and power, target smaller well meaning people, and play both sides of the spectrum.. Completely twisted and underhanded. And heads should roll over this for sure. Seems like they played both “permitted ” and “Original” pharmers.
And I hope that point where people have had enough of the blatant corruption is now. I hope the Pharmers from both side of the spectrum can come together, stop pointing fingers at each other, and figure out who the bad players really are.. The BCC, CDWF, CWB, Humboldt County planning Department, the County Stupervisors, and all those high ranking officials have profited off this mayhem.
VOTE ‘EM OUT..
Same thing with the distribution aspect of the permits. Last minute things changed and farmers are not allowed to self distribute to a wholesaler or retailer without additional infrastructure and permits. Sounds like someone with an allready robust and established distribution network within the state whispered into some ears in Sacramento.
What’s happening is approaching the point of criminal collusion, extortion, negligence, discrimination, misappropriation and squandering of funds, fraud, unconstitutional fines(8th amendment) and financial assault on our fellow country men, women, and other within Humboldt and thoughout the state.
Im curious if Estelle will be at the Playhouse on Sunday. If so, I’ll ask her some more questions.
Back up a couple years… Before this fake “legalization”…CCV-Humboldt was rallying local growers for this legalization and lobbying the supervisors for a generous permit system. (We now know that CCV-H was a group backed by large-scale growers mostly headed by Emerald Family). There was a guy named Ted- a large wine distributor down in Napa- who wanted this “legalization” to pass. And he wanted the distribution to be a seperate category so he could make another bunch of millions of dollars. He’s a good friend of Assemblyman Jim Woods who put together this “legalization”. Should I go further? These backroom maneuverings were crucial to what we now see as “legalization”. I placed many informative comments here on Kym’s website at the time, hoping someday people could go back and read the true unfolding history. I tried to help people understand what was about to happen. But most chose to believe in unicorns and “being free and safe”. Now…they are surprised at how badly it is turning out for them….If I am not mistaken then Kym herself has reversed her position. After proclaiming how great the “legaliztion” would be and urging people to vote for it she later stated, about a year ago that it was a bad thing for our community. Maybe I remember that wrong? I was fighting with A LOT of people on here. Ha Ha!
R.D…Farce.. Hit those high ranking officials with a “RICO” lawsuit.. I was watching a show on Netflix last night about the corruption of Garlic growers. There is one huge garlic corp. Christopher Ranch, and they were tied to using prison labor from China to clean the garlic. There was a big lawsuit, and actually Christopher Ranch filed a “RICO” lawsuit on all the small garlic farmers, and another Garlic distributor for acusing them. It was really ugly… A lot of corruption in all sorts of Agricultural these days. But it’s a really good documentary, Called Rotten on Netflix. And if it’s any indication what cannabis farmers are up against.. Oh boy watch out. I actually see a lot less corruption on the Original Market.. lol…
But anyways, as much as I despise the “RICO” laws, maybe it’s time to flip the coin and charge them with conspiracy…
Thanks for the lead! I will do some digging. Someone also told me it was a back room deal with Newsom and a few other people, dems and rebups both. Money is the same to both parties.
~yesterday’s blip was a laughable moratorium on “Hemp”.
Today, we’re back to the word “Cannabis”.
Sometimes, as in the infamous Land ORDINANCE, the words “Medical Marijuana” are passed around like a hot potato.
The pretension that “Medical Marijuana” has even been defined, is a question inquiring minds require a factual, proof in evidence, on the record, testimony –at county level.
URGE on, you CFW alphabet soup agency, practicing your foreign jurisdiction on American soil.
Urge. Vowel before two consonants = no agreed upon value word. No value, no contract. No contract, no jurisdiction. No VALID (Oath and Bond on file in the public records) juris — you are traitors!
People can show how dumb they are by calling it “dope”.
Turning the neighbors against neighbors now? Wow!
Is this what the county offices have decided is the best way to keep the legal market going? So, DESPERATE!
This is from a state agency that’s a Shocking opinion piece !Full of lies blame game and actual dangerous advice. Ten seconds of research shows the real reason Californias emerging recreational market is not producing revenue the state calculated. Facts matter :see the chart .
https://mjbizdaily.com/chart-most-of-california-municipalities-ban-commercial-cannabis-activity/
DFW is well aware of the fact that the door has closed to legitimize existing square footage. Anyone who “comes forward” from here on in will only be eligible for the 2.0 program in which you need county and state permits to begin cultivating which likely won’t even be processed for years with the current backlog. So anyone who “comes forward” now will be shut down immediately. Is the part they neglected to mention. But thanks for the advice
If they offer no temporary permits for new sign ups, its basically a death sentence to any farm that signs up now.
Bait and hook program, with a swift kick to the head.
Shady fuckers!
Every action by the government is against the small farmer, its comical they are trying to get people to sign up at this point.
Everybody who voted for prop 64 got worked over with false promises, how is this legal that they can advertise a law that we vote in, then go back and change it after it passes.
Wish someone would sue them for manipulating voters with false statues of prop64.
The language of the proposition stated it could be changed without any more votes. I don’t think some people read what the were voting for, or something.
Shit, well thanks for clarifying that. But how the fuck is it legal to put a clause in like that “ we can change it whenever we want without any votes”, lol should of gotten into law!
People vote with good intentions thinking our gov will do the right thing, but as we keep learning; the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
There are just no words to fully describe the contempt and disgust that so many of us feel for your BULLSHIT!!! You are the new CAMP and the enforcers of corporate greed. You are the jackbooted thugs that give us nightmares. You dare to try to trick us, EVEN NOW? How stupid do you think we are?! I think you grossly underestimate us. This is our home , this is our livelihood. Fuck your “legal cannabis market.”
They really are out of touch! DFW, DWR and the County are the primary reason folks are not coming in for Permits. These agencies require that legacy issues (i.e. grading, existing roads, undersized culverts, former log landings) be remediated. You’re talking tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in expenses. Most of these legacy impacts were created by past timber operations that these State agencies (DFW, DWR, RWQCB, CDF) approved. Throw on top of that tens of thousands of dollars for consultants for engineered grading plans, water resource protection plans, biological assessments, cultural resource studies, hydrological studies and who knows what else.
For DFW to state that your neighbors are “…dipping into to your profits” is complete bullshit, unless legal farmers are back-dooring their product (which I hear happens at an alarming rate). They are two separate markets.
Why would anybody try to get a permit in Humboldt? Weed from Humboldt does not have the lore it was did. What’s more, the State will likely pull the plug on cultivation licenses in the near future due to production outpacing demand 5 to 1. It’s the beginning of the end!
You couldnt be any more correct. I tried to go legal thinking it wouldnt be that bad and i payed thousands in consultants/lawyers/fee’s. One Main determining factor was my road would cost anywhere from 100-200k ( from the consultant who wanted me to continue, so add 20-40%)
All of which was legacy from timber production, came that way when the land was bought 25 plus years ago.
People dont realize that its insaine what they want growers to do. If you go to state parks and look at their dirt roads and culverts its a fucking shit show, they wouldnt pass. But struggling farms have to compete in the market with the mega grows and have to have a perfect road and watershed when the agency thats enforcing it cant do it to their own roads. Some people have perfect properties, some have ammo cans full of cash. I have neither, So now im out completely, how naive i was.
Sad.
Wow.. I am sorry to here this. Grape growers would never be scrutinized to this level. It’s absolutely usery and Extortion..
Everytime I drive thru 101 makes me laugh. Seeing all those vineyards, some way up in the hills! huge fucking swatches of land wiped clean for monocultured grape production, thats sprayed with avid and tons of other shit on a massive scale. And my small organic garden is the problem.. haha
Oh, and here is another opinion piece for you, Mr. DFW, guareented you are setting yourselves up here for a big loss. The “Original” market did not go away because your “laws” willed it to, and hint.. it’s thriving, while the legal market is tanking.. with all your erroneous laws on people in private lands, you just pushed the undesired consequence of big cartels blowing it up on timber tracks and public lands, big indoors, and all the environment consequences you claim your “trying to protect against” will just explode again into a bigger problem..
IOW, they’re wanting to legalize their tyranny, not our products.
That’s the truth!
I think people are beginning to “step into the light” and “out of the shadows” of the bullshit and see what is really becoming real. The rich get richer while the rest of us can maybe wash their sports cars. Most city people I know who voted for “legalization” -against my advice- are now wishing they did not. The retail prices have not dropped at the high-priced dispensaries. And they will not. Small growers are being wiped out of their savings. Bigger growers are blowing it up while they can and selling out the back door. The Biggest investors are still lurking in the shadows, waiting for the carnage to reach a crescendo when they can buy out permitted farms for nickels on the dollars. But the only way for the state to maintain their “good players” market will be an all-out attack on unpermitted growers. And they will need to bring it to small mom n pops. For now and here they are relying on Humboldt County Planning Department to do that dirty work. It is only driving up the prices and making the risk more worth it (price almost doubled back up since last year)! They will also need to enlist National Guard and other police agents. They will sell it as “going after the bad players. The cartels and terribly destructive black-market…pesticide spraying..etc etc”. But I think the people of CA will see reports of small family scenes getting destroyed. It will shock them. And I think it will be Gavin Newsom’s Waterloo. He does not know what he’s up against. He will be known as the guy who destroyed families to establish corporate domination. And that stain will never leave him. He wants to be President? He is walking a very thin line. It is important that we expose this scandalous behavior of the state. To all our friends all over the state. Right now we have no voice- not in any of the corporate dominated media. But the realization is dawning all over the state. The real war for freeing the herb is just beginning. CAMP was a preliminary. This is the real fight. And these assholes have no idea what they are doing…or who we are. After all…it is a flower that your grandma could grow in her own backyard! Good luck controlling that ha ha!!
CDFW says…”We’re the government, we’re here to help.” How is that?
By offering legal partnerships for wannabees who possess zero moral feelings. The new influx of licensed partners are in fact traitors to California. They’ve gone over to the dark. Shame on you.
CDFW says… “Come over to our side, guide your friends and relatives.” Say what?
State desires weak individuals to nark-out their heritage. They aren’t yet offering bounties, it’s on the agenda.
CDFW says…”Legal growers’ profits will increase when the honest growers have become extinct.” And then what?
Then state will increase to the next stage of prohibition. So far, water and sunshine usage have been weaponized. The small-scale growers have been almost completely erased. The BCC will finally be considered a branch of government essential to public safety. Moms and Pops will die face down on their own land.
Repeal #64 and burn down the BCC.
seek heil? No thanks pot nazis… go pick on a logging conglomerate or something… or the legal guys using too much nutes…
We need to vote out ALL incumbents and start anew.these corporate sellouts have stabbed the voters in the back and neck !!!!!
It’s a joke. I got violated for 85 plants and no environmental issues. My neighbors don’t see/smell it, I pay for my water etc. Now I’m fucked. Code enforcement is a joke using satellite photos. That should not be allowed. It’s entrapment of sorts. Like the cops hiding to get speeders. WhT happened to it going after the mo st egregious violators etc. All bullshit. Watch the humboldt county property crime rates go through the roof. Shoes fu ked us all. And we voted for these bastards and are paying for the code enforcement as well. Oh yeah I got a violation in 2017 and they never mentioned two violations I got this year. Shouldn’t they have identified t hose during the 2017 physical inspection of the site. Bullshit. All bullshit.
Police state at its finest.
That sucks, im sorry to hear that they are screwing over you and your small farm. Such a waste of our tax dollars.
Sad they would rather tear us down than build us up.
is there any lawyer out there who thinks this satellite business is illegal? I have a problem with google earth showing anyone in the world a view of my property and my possessions, and opening me up to burglary or trespassing. This shouldn’t be legal; and why do some people get to blurred out on GoogleEarth? I would love to have Ed or someone else explain to me why this has been upheld, or if it has not, why we aren’t going to court over this. Seems like a very legitimate concern.
LEGAL, PERMITTED, AND ARRESTED
By Mark Thornton (https://misses.org/profile/mark-thornton)
‘Marijuana’ was “Legalized” (Satanic language), the owners were permitted and they asked the GubberNut to conduct a business inspection. Instead the POlice busted them and stole all their stuff!!
We may be winning the war against the “War on Drugs,” but we still have a long ways to go. The Washington Post reports (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp2016/03/30/what-life-is-like-after-police-ransack-your-house-and-take-every-belonging-then-the-charges-are-dropped/) on the Shattuck family who were not only arrested but all their possessions were stolen by “Code” enforcement based on the so-called ‘asset forfeiture’ law.
A self-described Michigan “soccer mom” who had “every belonging” taken from her family (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/03why-armed-crug-cops-took-every-belonging-from-a-michigan-soccer-mom/) in a 2014 drug raid has been cleared of all criminal charges, 19 months after heavily armed “drug task force” members ransacked her home and her business. But in many ways, her ordeal is only beginning.
Ann Shattuck and her husband Dale, had been facing felony charges of possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, possession with intent to manufacture and maintaining a drug house. But last month, Michigan Circuit Court Judge Daniel Kelly threw out all criminal complaints filed against the Shattucks “on grounds of entrapment by estoppel,” according to court filings.
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2016/03/Shattuck_opinionOnDefendantsMotionToDismiss_recd02.22.16.pdf).
Entrapment by estoppel occurs when a pretend Government official leads a defendant to believe that their conduct is permissible under the law.
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Code enforcement uses all kinds of trickery in order to increase criminal convictions in order to somehow justify their existence. Fortunately, the Judge saw through their activities and invoked “entrapment by estoppel.” Unfortunately this is not used by enough magistrates/judges to protect the innocent from out-of-control Order Followers.
https://kymkemp.com/2018/09/17/abate-the-abatement-a-report-on-yesterdays-meeting/
Fred Fletcher. He is quoted about the areal photos in the article.
There is, it will take me a min to find his name.
Did you have to stop growing? What happens if you just keep growing under 215 under 99 plants should be fine. Also did a bunch of your neighbors get abatement notices aswell or were you singled out? Damn thats cray I was pretty certain they were sticking to bigger farms. Atleast they cant get everyone sucks you were unlucky and that happened….
If you don’t have city water, your own well, or draw from a spring that never leaves your property to irrigate those 99 medical plants, the state h20 board has it set up so you will be found in violation and they make your life hell. California allows you to cultivate 99 but water board won’t let you water them..Or grow them on a slope , Or spread them out, blahblahblah
Fuck you!
Canninibis carpet baggers!
And fish and wildlife.
Worst wishes for all of you !
Good post central hum that’s exactly what’s happening here all over Humboldt county!!!! Disgusting the level of thievery by all branches of government and our elected REPRESENTATIVES. Just keep hoping that we get some decent JUST people to run in this election to start looking out for the COMMON folks because this has gotten BIZARRE/EVIL what’s happening in this county/region.
~the corporatism must go. Corporations are unconstitutional. For although “The County” (fiction) claims to be a “General Law” county (no corporate charter), they slither into corporatism with HUMBOLDT COUNTY PUBLIC PROPERTY LEASING CORPORATION, C1359859, Active 12/11/1985, JOHN BARTHOLOMEW -agent.
From Tuesday:
Public Works
Lease with David G. Katz and Anne Braak-Katz Trust at 3156 Redwood Drive in Redway to
provide offices for Planning and Building Department and 2nd District Supervisor, Estelle Fennell.
$305,660 in just one of their “Supplemental Budget” items included on the “Consent Calendar”—21 items voted on, in one vote, by five criminals. <<this semantic deceit to create fraud "Consent Calendar" has Nothing to do with Rules of Order, Rules of Conduct, or custom.
The first two paragraphs make it sound like all the cultivators popped up post-64. That’s a significant revision of the actual history, in which the state decided to outlaw all growers and then allow some people, in some areas, to get licenses.
And of course, throughout there’s a studied avoidance of the reality of California cannabis as an export product. The state is trying to squeeze its own producers when it should be doing everything it can to open up the interstate market.
This is the retrenched prohibition some of us have been going on about.
If they really want people to come forward they need to get the planning department in check.
And the inspectors.
Allot of people were talked I to coming in and signing up ,then suckered I to signing a letter that was intentionally misleading and getting stuck paying heavy taxes that other growers didn’t have to because they had a lawyer to call on Christmas.
People came in signed up and got screwed.
You can’t expect people to trust again.
Planning department drew first blood.
They are still in the us and them mentality.
The growers have made many attempts to try to work with sheriff’s and planning only to be ignored.
Unless they are massive grows filling the coffers.
This is killing the economics of the county.
Planning broke the trust when they tricked people Into signing
The people that signed were sincerely trusting them
The trust is gone
I hate red tape and police states.
I like weed, and wine grown from grapes.
I’ve seen grows that were filthy, leaving me a sour taste.
Many grow bosses dont care – as their environment wastes.
Generator oil discarded in soil – like leftovers from vapes.
Growing pains as growers gains –
become growing aches.
Back to the lab to find a way
For some to make their money today.
As the old market fades – the new takes its place.
Releasing the black man from jail…..and his stinkin weed case.
Asking for that back, you must not be black
Have you ever wondered if we’re stuck in the past?
Now pass me another, my brother
Let’s have some good times
Because its legal to smoke grass
And I’m feeling fine
I’ll meet you at eight
down at the pub
I’ll bring my fresh eighth
I got from the club.
Buy me a drink
How does it sound?
A yearly supply of weed
is cheap by the pound
Speaking of the times
It’s easy to see
Theres something new being sold
Next to the beer and whiskey
So head out back
Theres no smoking inside
It seems a fact that
Theres less reasons to hide
Back to the tavern
Inside we do sit
But once the glass is empty
I’ll go back for a rip
You’re a poet and you didn’t even know it.
Oded to the Brian..
luv the wine and weed
have always kept my garden
Tidy and clean,
No dirty chemies to ever be seen.
But the only proof ‘dem except
Is extra comma’s
with ‘dem dollars
And unless one wants to be bound..
An adult can not buy that pound
Unless a permit can be found
It’s time to get innovative
that doesn’t mean we have to be berated
Or unjustly abated
I never wanted to live in the past
But it seems CDFW wants to have a blast
And take all our cash.
But I will twist one up
And drink a cup
To not having to be bashed
For growing just a few extra plants..
For life is good,
Despite ‘dem stirring up
So much trouble in my hood..
Love it.
We all love it !
Please keep on with the poetry and imaginative conversations. I truly support the Grass Roots thoughts and inspirations of our society. We all love and appreciate this location and it’s relevancy to common sense.
Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez and onward seemed to place a higher moral value on our lives. Let’s uncork the thoughts and dreams grown of this generation. Who’s gonna sing of our oppression if we don’t do it ourselves?
Good Job.
Here’s some advice, if you are not yet in the cannabis market place, you are too late. Save yourself a lot of time, money and ultimate failure and do NOT sign up!! I can’t stress this enough.
~bottom line –we’re being disarmed.
Gun supply retailers are FLOODING California with 30-round magazines, making sure patriots are armed up to defeat the communists when it all breaks loose
https://guns.news/2019-04-02-gun-supply-retailers-flooding-california-with-30-round-magazines.html
AOC, Sen. Feinstein calling for New Zealand-style nationwide gun confiscation and mass criminalization of gun owners across America… do they realize they are begging for an armed citizens’ revolt against Left-wing tyranny?
https://guns.news/2019-03-24-feinstein-mass-criminalization-of-gun-owners-across-america.html
03/05/2019 / By JD Heyes
EVERY Democrat running for president in 2020 is an admitted enemy of the Second Amendment
Molon Labe.
Speaking about guns…
Hum Co is one I’m worried about.
Talking about Cival war and Communist Democrats.
This is the commentor who thinks the flat earth is “interesting”.
This commentor thinks information from NeoNazis and Convicted Conmen are more reasonable than any reality that we all share.
HumCo is one bad day away from snapping. Really. The language HumCo uses is a real dangerous mindset.
Seriously.
If your that seeped in unbased fears…I would vote for someone to take ALL your guns.
You need to chill on the bad fucking information, its rotting you in fear.
Resist the urge to be a keyboard psychologist.
Right-wing terrorism is terrorism motivated by a variety of far rightideologies and beliefs, including anti-communism, neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, racism, xenophobia and opposition to immigration. This type of terrorism has been sporadic, with little or no international cooperation.
You should attribute your quotes.
What’s your point?
Comments like HumCo’s are the step before your next Cesar Sayok, Josh Goldberg, Richard Paplowski, Byron Williams or no-pizzagate shooter Edgar Welch. ( I could type more names, but nobody cares).
Any sane rational person can see this and wouldn’t egg it on like you did.
Your a responsible gun owner like me I thought, so how do you not see the dangerous ideological slope of violence that HumCo is promoting?
You promote insanity and defend it with the 2nd? Fuck that.
I’m trying to promote responsible uses of the first and second amendment.
If HumCo can’t be responsible with the 1st, what do you think will happen next?
Counter misinformation with accurate information not ad hominem attacks.
Don’t confuse hyperbole with belief.
I certainly don’t agree with everything Hum Co or you type but I am damn sure going to defend your right to say it. Without conditions, without reservations. Period.
I have conditions.
I dont support anarchists or extremism.
Anarchy would be the idea we should let everything self-regulate without rule.
If a person gives a clear example of representing a position that I think is demonstrably dangerous, there is an inevitable interaction of an ad-homenem.
If possible, where would I begin with “countering misinformation with information” when the person has spread flat earth video promotors?
I mean, do I really need to prove the earth is round?
I did provide links months ago regarding the “NeoNazi” and “convicted conman” video makers being spread by HumCo.
How should I best ignore this attributable history of patently horrible information while addressing the current claim of Communist Democrats and cival war?
My answer: dont ignore it.
By far the simplest thing we should all remember, in spite of our over developed frontal cortexes, is that we all serve a purpose here. I see bits of potential in everyone speaking their minds here. Some of us need help, not criticism to open up to counter think, but the sophomoric belittling does nothing but remind us our sapien counter parts, whom we are supposed to be more capable of. I enjoy when everyone brings positive engagement of ideas. We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, let’s keep the dialogue moving forward with a greater sense of our true higher purpose. Let’s encourage a good exchange of ideas, and keep this spinning ball of potential. …on point.
I’ve said what I think is important.
I understand having positions stated makes me open for plenty of judgement.
I’m good with that.
I will say, I think we all deserve good days. I dont necessarily aim to attack HumCo in spite. Sorry if it seems that way.
I reflect that what I say is not necessarily wrong, but I’m the first to admit my ability to be an arsehole…
I dont want HumCo to think that I want her day to have a bad day. I wish her a great day.
I’ll just listen without more respone regarding my comment(s).
I deleted all myopions because its pointless, you should look at this when taking about taking away guns:
https://americangunfacts.com/
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Ps, nice poetry, you have a talent.
I dont want to take everybody’s guns!
But I have no problem calling a duck a duck.
Some people dont deserve the right of the 2nd, no questions about it for me. Do we license the blind to drive? Nope.
Once your deep enough into LaLa land that you think the earth might be flat, what is going on in the political thought realm?
Nothing real.
Add that to HumCos expressed fears of communist Democrats plus a shake of willingness and readiness for cival war, well….
Take HumCos guns; I’m all for it.
Jerad and Amanda Miller:
The married couple went on a 2014 shooting spree in Las Vegas that started with an ambush of two police officers in an attempt to start an anti-government revolution; they were kicked out of the one they thought was starting at Cliven Bundy’s ranch during anti-government protests there.
Jerad Miller said the Bundys booted them off the ranch because he was a felon illegally carrying a gun, but Ammon Bundy said they were asked to leave because they were “too radical.” The spree left five people dead, including the shooters. Both Jerad and Amanda were regular commenters on Infowars, where Jerad once speculated about when it would be appropriate to kill police officers.
Jerad and Amanda embraced the site’s conspiracy theories about government mind-control, “chemtrails”, etc.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/comet-pizza-suspect-shooters-alex-jones/
Me and Ammon Bundy would actually have more in common than HumCo and Bundy.
Every sane person can tell when someone is too far over the edge.
Yes yes, i know all about those nutso’s they are the extreme, too extreme for info wars and bundy if thats our scale to judge from.
We take guns away from felons, we take guns away from people with restraining orders, we have background checks and a 10 day wait all these measures in place but you can’t stop it. Even if we took our gun magnet and wipe the earth clean of guns and these people would still have the same thoughts and carry out similar actions. Maybe they wouldn’t be so successful without the tools, But shit if a bunch of guys in Syria can manufacture their own missiles don’t think that they couldnt manufacture something similar here.
Yeah I don’t think everybody should have a gun but no law can you keep someone from digging one up stealing one or manufacturing one. I see your point of people going to the extreme but most the time people talk more than they do in real life.
I dont think we will get to a point where those extreme thoughts of taking arms against the gov will ever happen, people are not that dumb to fight like that.
And with that im done.
spent way to much time reading writing comments.
thanks for the participation and have a good day.
No offense, Brian, you will never get to have the kind of power to infringe unless you have drank the other kool-aid, which puts you squarely in a place you don’t want be. The only thing you, or any of us, can do anything about, is how we can manage the best with this bus filled with bozos that are our friends, families, and neighbors, .. our community, if you will. There’s always more work for the critical thinking upright man, than to think we are anything but passengers on this bus. An intellectual heavyweight knows how to do the calculations, but you need to realize there are some things we truly don’t have any control over.
Just think of the education our kids could get if we spent that military budget on developing minds instead of weapons of war.
You know how futile all this truly is in the big picture…
What’s that famous experimenthe with the primates and the bananas?
Too bad the world doesn’t work like that. People can not be educated out of their biology nor has being innocent ever stopped anyone from being run over by the bad.
If you stop hunger by feeding everyone, you feed the bad as well as the good. If you do not respect those who try to live an upright life, even if you don’t agree with their idea of that, then you disrespect the good as well as the bad. The best you can do in this world is respect the upright individual and disrespect the failures.
John Taylor Gatto (RIP ) taught in every borough of New York, and he said genius was as common as dirt. I have respect for a man who actually put his time into creating better functioning minds. Education has many rivers, leading to ocean of knowledge.
Or you can just jump on the overpopulation train, simply work towards depopulation on your free time.
I most certainly disrespect failure, when it’s been institutionalized and codefied.
Confusion has its costs. There’s definitely an agenda, and it ain’t ours.
Next time someone talks to you about flat Earth, ask them who Eratosthenese is, or how to use starcharts and a sextant at night to navigate at sea.
Wouldn’t daylight hours be equivalent across the flat earth?
No equator, no long days.
No poles, no short days.
Democide, brother, genocide, by another name. There’s enough information out there to realize a massive program to keep the static loud. What’s the point if you keep adding to the noise?
There’s real issues with the government steamroll, and we need your brainpower focused on how to find solutions to the real problems we are dealing with from our corporate /government protagonists.
Starting to sound and act like Samuel L. Jacksons character in Tarantino’s, Django…
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