Huffman and Wood Heard from Humboldt and Talked About Governor Newsom Sending the National Guard ‘North’ to Go After Illegal Cannabis Farms

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Congressman Huffman and Assemblyman Wood in Eureka [All photos by Kelley Lincoln]

U.S. Congressman Jared Huffman and California Assemblymember Jim Wood held a joint town hall meeting at the St. Bernard’s High School auditorium in Eureka on Thursday the 21st. The hall was packed to standing room only with several hundred attendees. After brief opening remarks, Huffman and Wood took questions from the audience. Topics included, National Guard troops, healthcare needs, the Green New Deal, gun violence legislation, and an amendment to the United State Constitution explicitly stating corporations are not people and that money is not protected speech.

In his introductory remarks, Huffman said he is having his first opportunity since being elected to serve with Democrats controlling the House of Representatives. This change allows him to now chair the Water Oceans and Wildlife subcommittee. He had been the ranking minority member on the previously named Water, Power and Oceans Committee up til now. The gentlemen introduced themselves and within ten minutes were taking questions from the audience.

A student from Arcata High School asked,

governor newsom quote[R]ecently Governor Newsom said he would send National Guard troops into our area to eradicate marijuana grows. I want to know what that’s going to look like on the streets in our rural communities because I know there’s been a lot of concern it will be a parallel to the CAMP program….And second of all, with legalization impacting our community so hard in our economy, I was wondering if there’s any programs to help us stabilize?

Wood answered first.  He felt the weight of this question, but his attempt to calm the waters fell flat.

[Newsom] said ‘northern California.’ He didn’t specifically say ‘Humboldt County.’ I think that’s important. He didn’t call anybody out.

When the murmuring and groans drowned him out, he backed up. “OK, I understand, I understand this meant Humboldt.”  Wood went on to say he has long been an advocate of keeping legalization rules manageable.

What I’ve said from the beginning, what I continue to say to all the regulatory agencies is, ‘you need to keep this simple, and you need to keep this achievable.’ And it’s not. It’s really not.

However, Wood says while some people want to come into compliance others continue to destroy watersheds and those entities are who he believes the Governor wants to target.

Wood did not think Humboldt would see a military occupation,

I don’t think he intends to restart CAMP. That is certainly nothing I envision. I don’t think we’ll see 250 troops in Humboldt next week or anytime soon. And [Newsom] did also say an additional 150 [National Guard] will be available to help with some of our fire prevention.

Huffman believes enforcement is necessary to keep people in the legal market.

It’s interesting that the loudest calls we get for enforcement are from those that have come out of the shadows and made the investment to get right with the law….They don’t particularly want to be undercut by folks sliding back into the black market. So enforcement is an essential piece of this transition. It has to happen. How it happens is significant. It has to happen in a fair, transparent and an honest way….[but] unless you enforce there will be backsliding into the black market and we won’t get the benefits of the market.

A St. Bernard’s student asked about wildfire prevention. Wood said he sees an “unprecedented level of investment” in fire prevention at the State level. And Huffman said a particular piece of federal legislation is moving forward with wide support. If passed, the US Forest Service will finally have a separate pool of funds for prevention. Currently their annual budget gets spent on fire suppression efforts which cost millions of dollars a day.

The crowd.

A woman expressed her desire to see Congress and the President go without pay if another “government shutdown” were to occur. Huffman said he has introduced “backstop” legislation. If enacted, any future shutdown would trigger an “automatic Continuing Resolution at existing funding levels.” Nonetheless, Huffman worries about the “unintended consequence” that such a backstop may take the urgency out of future budget fights and so may ultimately be counter-productive. With regard to pay during this last event, Huffman said

If [Trump] had the power to shutdown the government and stop the legislative branch from getting paid, he would have loved that….[As it was,] he could shut down his own agencies, but Congress kept working and kept pushing back….so I think we have to be careful about the unintended consequences of these things.

When asked about healthcare, Wood illustrated the complexities of the health industry by noting that the question used a variety of terms with different meanings. Wood boiled it down stating he believes what Californians want is “high quality, good access, low cost healthcare.”

There was some shouting of dissent from the back of the room, but Wood pressed on and explained the Governor has started a group to study the challenges of a single payer system identified over the last two years by the Assembly Health Committee that Wood Chairs.

There are Constitutional challenges that we have to get over….The biggest challenge we have is to ask the federal government to use 52% of the money we need to actually fund this. That’s about $200 billion a year. So one of the first things the Governor did was to send a letter to the President, and to Washington DC, to say ‘we want permission to have this waiver, to be able to bring this money to California so we can take care of our healthcare goal.’

That is an absolute critical component because without that federal money we can’t do it. $200 Billion is the size or our current state budget.”

The Governor’s letter, dated January 7th, seeks a waiver to directly access the $200 billion dollars already spent by the U.S. Congress in California for healthcare via Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Healthcare Act, military medical insurance called TriCare and federal tax exemptions to Californians for health insurance premiums. Governor Newsom’s letter reads in part,

I ask that you amend federal law to enable states to apply for and receive Transformational Cost and Universal Coverage Waivers, empowering California to truly innovate and begin transformative reforms that proved the path to a single-payer healthcare system.

The letter goes on to explain something Wood mentioned at the town hall meeting,

High and rising healthcare costs mean workers’ wages have not increased to the extent they should have, and small businesses struggle to offer healthcare to their employees. The rising costs are unsustainable and are exerting immense pressure on the budgets of State and local governments, employers and families.

Even with this cumbersome hurdle, Wood said, “California may still become the first State to make universal healthcare a reality.”

Huffman said healthcare is most properly a federal issue and that the federal government is already “deeply, deeply involved” in healthcare with medicare, medicaid and the veterans health system. Huffman said he supports a national health plan for everyone. In the meantime, Huffman said he has introduced legalization to make it possible for people aged 55-65 to buy into medicare early. He said there are few insurance “products” targeting this age group because they tend to have pre-existing conditions, but that they have a markedly lower risk than the current medicare population. Huffman said bringing this younger cohort into Medicare will likely decrease the per person cost of the entire group making Medicare more cost effective overall.

When asked how he felt about the Green New Deal, Huffman said he is a co-sponsor. He described the recently televised questions from the Republicans in Committee about the likelihood for limiting vacations, eliminating cars, and forcing people to be vegetarian as disingenuous.

Huffman said the existing legislation outlines goals for achieving renewable energy targets and for reducing greenhouse gas emissions, but leaves the details for how to achieve the goals to the legislature to debate. Huffman invited the audience to look for the details at “factcheck.org.”

Congressman Huffman explained that with over 90% of the world’s science community in agreement that human civilization is in jeopardy, climate action is “reasonable” in the present moment.

Wood pointed out that California has already outlined its goals of reaching 100% renewable energy by 2045.

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Sean McLaughlin of Access Humboldt pressing for net nuetrality.

Several other topics, including gun violence legislation, mental health services, net neutrality, Congressional introduction of a “We the People Amendment,” Amtrak train funding, and more were covered in the question and answer period. The entire conversation can be heard in three segments on the archive on KMUD.org by entering “huffman” in the archive search bar.

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LostCoastEMP
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LostCoastEMP
5 years ago

Every one of those topics is socialism agenda. Scary that the people I voted for a mere decade ago want to turn this country into a shared police state. Topics included “ government funded health care, using American Troops on its people, sharing the riches of the wealthy with people who can’t get a job, disarming it’s citizens and amending the constitution.” WTF!!!!! Wake up sheeple and read and hear what the left is saying. My vote is for Trump (again) in 2020. With talk and agendas like this, he will win again. Oh my God, the horror!!! Pull your kids out of school and hug them. Tell them the world is over and cry. Then riot in the streets because you have nothing better to do with your life.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  LostCoastEMP

Oh the horror.. Imagine affordabile health care, less homelessness, and less abject poverty.. Sustainable well paying green Jobs, Clean energy.. Noooo.. Don’t educate your children.. because Republicans love the poorly educated right? Because President Borris And First Lady Natasha.. want to make America just like communist Russia, and North Korea.. yeah.. that is what America should look like… Russia.. right?
Your president is a traitor straight up.. proven many times over.. You must be terrified of your own shadow… DUMP TRUMP 2020

saynotosocialism
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saynotosocialism
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Show us a country where socialism has worked.

guest
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guest
5 years ago

Norway, Belgium, New Zealand, Canada, Finland, Denmark, Netherlands, Sweden…

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  guest

Nope.

“The myth of Nordic socialism is partially created by a confusion between socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of businesses, and the welfare state in the form of government-provided social safety net programs. However, the left’s embrace of socialism is not merely a case of redefining a word. Simply look at the long-running affinity of leftists with socialist dictators in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela for proof many on the left long for real socialism.

“To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#590a523074ad

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr Rover.. Venezuela, Is not a democratic socialist country. It’s more of a dictatorship. And Cuba, communist. And excuse me.. but let’s not forget much of the tampering of thier economy by the United States..
And Like “Capitalism” is largely successful. There are many places in the South and parts of the US that are on par with 3rd world conditions… Personally I am not advocating for a 💯 socialist country, most democratic socialist are not..But, there is no doubt that America needs some social accountability.. as well..

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Both Chavez and Maduro where democratically elected by the voting majority. Chavez promised a socialist paradise and set the country on the road to hell. Ironically, it wasn’t his fault. It is the fault of the ideology of socialism : it does not work. As for communism versus socialism it is just a matter of degrees.

As for capitalism being successful, it sure as hell has been. Free market economy’s have lifted more people out of poverty than any system, ever. Even poor people in western capitalist countries have a lot of wealth. Heck, the bane of the poor in the USA is not starvation, it’s obesity.

Most people confuse capitalism with corporatism. They are not the same. Corporations are legal fictions created by contract. The powers given to corporations is too much and needs to be reigned in. That is not capitalism. It’s plutocracy.

Communities are the ones who should be looking after their own, not the faceless bureacracies.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Chavez was elected.. twice and actually was reviered by many. Even though Chávez was oppressive in some ways, he actually did do a lot for the country’s poor. He wasn’t liked by the Elites, and the conservatives.. He was also fairly repressive to the press, and did exercise oppressive dictatorship qualities. He did however actually do a lot for the poor, that is why Chávez was so popular there…Maduro.. in the other hand was chosen by Chavez’s as his successor, and elected.. However Maduro has rigged elections, killed protestors, slicenced the press, fired people from the oil sector that he did not agree with politically, much to the detriment of the country, and used his current power to expand his reach..and stay in office. Venezuela had almost wiped out Malaria under Chávez, now under Maduro.. It’s thriving.. Chávez was a dictator.. with redeemable qualities.. Maduro is a dictator with none…But it is still a dictatorship.. especially now..
However, sure maybe Capitalism has been successful in some aspects.. but never forget that Capitalism thrives off of taking advantage of people all across the globe, and exploiting it’s resources.. And by the way there are plenty of hungry people eating out of trash cans, and living out of thier vehicles all across America. Communities should be looking after thier own.. for certain.. but, In America, half the people do not even know thier neighborhors.. I agree to an extent.not rely on. ‘faceless Bureacracies’ but, that is Idealism. It’s not really practical on large levels.. Democratic Socialism, intergrated with Capitalism has been shown to be a success.. Actually, I would consider American ‘Plutocracy’ as you refer to it, an illusionary success.. There are a lot of issues, and they need to be adressed. People are sooo afraid of what they don’t understand, and it is ludicrous to approach everything with such fear.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

A-one.

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😂
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Small fry glad your not in charge. The country would look like redway Garberville. Thank god your not in charge. USA will never be socialist 😜😜😜

small fry
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small fry
5 years ago
Reply to  😂

Because the state of the Nation is in such a super duper place right?🙄🙄🙄

W
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W
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

You should talk to my friend who is from there! He would totally disagree with you.
He hasn’t seen his family in almost 10 years. And it’s not because of Trump and his policies it because Chavez would have killed him because of a protest song he wrote.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  W

In Cuba, my friends parents left when he was little.. he said a person could not even have a cell phone or you were jailed. His family left, and could not really communicate with his family who stayed behind. All communication was monitored…. My family has extended family who left Venezuela because of the oppression. Chavez was no doubt a dictator, in many ways.. Maduro is way worse. Chavez did actually do a lot for the poor, but he was no doubt an oppressive dictator..
But really, Look at Brazil, or Ecuador.. for example.. both capitalist counties, and one can not say that either are doing ANY BETTER than Venezuela… Still massive amounts of poverty, hunger, inequality, pollution..
However, Many countries with Social Democracy are actually doing much better than America in sooo many ways..

guest
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guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

all these countries I listed are thriving which, you choose to divert & change the subject away from each country on the list. Your point was proven wrong asking for ONE! But, why you choose to vent extraneously totally off-topic in this article is odd. Maybe you can talk to a mental health expert like a psychologist or psychiatrist.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  guest

Read the article. Those are not socialist countries despite the myth. They are free market economy’s (read as capitalism ) with social programs. Like the USA except they are working with a small, homogeneous population. Also, Norway has the benefit of being a net oil exporter.

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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Venezuela is also an oil exporter.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  guest

Yes. And it worked great for Chavez to fund his socialist dream when oil was pushing $100/bbl. When oil prices crashed so did Venezuela.

It is ironic that Venezuela funded it’s socialist programs on capitalist profits.

Avenuerider
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5 years ago
Reply to  guest

Then why did they get rid of it? Because it doesn’t work! They went back to capitolism!!!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  guest

Danish Prime Minister Lars-Lokke Rasmussen has said: “Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.”

Silverlining
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Silverlining
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That has social programs.
Democratic socialism.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Silverlining

Nope. Free market economy. The government offers social programs but is not “socialism” by the very definition. .. I tend to believe the Danish PM over anybody’s in the USA about how they run their government.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
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Capitalism vs. Socialism

https://youtu.be/Fdfru9NHGvE

local observer
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local observer
5 years ago

I watched “The Revolution” on Fox and they are leading into the direction of socialism and even communism, same with Tucker. forgotten people my ass. lazy people. no profit means no business. the US is being led down a dangerous road, and it appears just like Brexit, Putin is the long term master planner behind it.

Big media is incorporated for profit too
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Big media is incorporated for profit too
5 years ago
Reply to  local observer

If that is true, it would be because the American public is more interested in blaming and denigrating their own country the opportunities it gives. Freedom to act has been perverted into freedom to carp endlessly.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

“It is because the public are a mass of inert, obtuse, and passive –that they need to be shaken up from time to time so that we can tell from their bear-like grunts where they are – and also where they stand. They are pretty harmless, in spite of their numbers, because they are fighting against intelligence.” Alfred Jarry

Best example is Brian:

“I call HumCo a flat Earther, because Humco has expressed interest in the subject and promoted it. Kym won’t allow my more honest feelings regarding that be said.

I’ve busted Shak and HumCo too many times with false claims for them to be deemed halfway credible.

Now, please, if you have something to add to help clarify the lost souls like Shak and HumCo, that would be appreciated. Otherwise, your really not debating or conversing with my discussion. I’ll leave complaining alone.

Guest likes to ignore your neo-nazi videos

Now, Stars: Are you still angry that I know what light research is, and have called out Humcos free advertising of Conmen, Neo Nazi’s and Flat Earthers”?

~on just one thread.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

That sure looks like you criticising yourself with my quotes. And appreciating me trying to help your brain.

That’s awesome!!!!

There is hope still.

Unless, this is a poor advocation for Flat Earth videos, YouTube’s from NeoNazis and other convicted Conmen that you have posted for.

Boy o boy. Which of these are you doing. I bet I know….

Fact checkers are a real disturbance in your force.

Remember a week ago you posted videos claiming Hitler was buried in .CA and lasers start the big wildfires? All within the first 9 minutes!!! I wonder what revelations were described in the last hour!!! Oh, the poor souls that watched those 9 minutes of your trash. I felt so bad for them.

How about we discuss the true you: What you said to THCs wife while she was looking for her children.

Don’t think that just because Kym deleted it, it wasn’t seen. I remember Verbatum what you told her.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

“How about we discuss the true you: What you said to THCs wife while she was looking for her children.”

~i posted what YOU said to Misty just now, but Kym deleted it. Whining on Misty’s shoulder about HumCo. [edit]

I printed it complete with the time and date stamp.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Unfortunately for you, there is a record of everything.

My comment to CarricoMom is still up on that post.

And what my comment does is apologize for your behaviour. It looks like others were telling her to ignore you too.

https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/02/sheriffs-department-releases-more-on-the-missing-girls-in-humboldt-county/#comment-787545

Best thing you could do is get humble, recognize your woes, and stop posting rubbish links and false claims.

I’ll leave you alone then.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

You weave webs.

I break them open.

I provided a link, context and a warning to you. Yet you weave more.

Let’s just get out with it.

You told CarricoMom to “Get off her computer and look” , in all caps to boot.

Your a fraud.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

We can’t “get out with it” Kym deletes my replies and leaves your bullsh!t.

[edit]

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

~and where’s your evidence that i said that, Brian?

Why would anyone say that to Misty, especially another mother, when we all knew she was out searching night and day. No one insulted her with their banter but you.

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

You can’t threaten violence Central HumCo which is why your comment was deleted.

Here’s the evidence you said what Brian said you did.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

HumCo,

Its nothing personal.

I wish we could have had a better relationship.

Unfortunately your deadset on pushing horribly bad information around here, and Im deadset on calling you out because what you post is such garbage, factually in the least.

Please. Consider research and facts important like you say you do and own up to your BS.

I told you. The internet has a record of everything, you should have just backed down.

Weird how I remember a comment you made, and you didnt, yet you call me a rat bastard liar for saying you said it. Obviously, there now is no denying you made it.

Now your kind of exposed, in so many ways.
I hope you can see your woes and consider turning your life/comments around for the better, as in, gaining factually accurate perspectives on anything.

*Also, we should aim to help Kym out more. Im trying to confront you without needing editing. May I recommend that in our disagreememts we try to keep Kym from working more.

As you know, I dont cry about names. But physically, Im bigger than bigfoot, so start your jokes with that, and check your threats with it too.

Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
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Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
5 years ago

The United States of America is socialist. 🇺🇸👈🏼

You know, the The USA? 🇺🇸👈🏼 The country you conservatives hate!

stuber
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stuber
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

It doesn’t work like that. Check out the south, with poverty and hopelessness. Micheal Brown is the perfect example, along with Feguson Mo., of democrat run states. Calif has one of the highest poverty rates. Texas has very low poverty, and low food prices, and low gas prices, and low taxes. Yet, they have much better schools than Calif. 1.2 million people have left Calif for Nevada and other decent prosperous states run by Republicans. Many children are hungry in Calif because of such high taxes. In Texas, eggs are $1.38 for 36, or three dozen eggs. In Fortuna Safeway, they are $2.85 for 12 eggs. Why? Why do our kids go hungry in this state, and not Texas, and other Republican states? Half of the US is under private medical insurance, which supports so much research for cures like cancer. Medicare for all would slow that way down. Medicare for all would destroy the system for those of us on medicare, which is working fine right now. Private medical insurance supports medicare, and keeps prices low. Our great president has been hammering the pharma people to lower drug costs, and people are seeing the results in their budget. That is what Trump does, gets results to help all of us. Our country is far better off with him, and would have been destroyed by Hitlery. “Clean energy” can only support 18% of our energy needs, and those turbines kill hundreds of thousands of raptors each year. Drill, frack, and burn. Now those are some jobs, most six figure, and they don’t kill any raptors. Imagine the terror experienced by these birds, whose wing is cut off, no it is immobile, and just sitting there in pain waiting to die. Fuck those turbines, they are disgusting.

shak
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shak
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Everyone, except the corrupt greedy profiteers, wants the same thing. The difference is how they perceive the ways to achieving it.
Affordable healthcare, for instance.
Socialists and all the ism’s including pretenderism’s = give govt more power and money to decide our healthcare for us. Lower the health care itself. Feed the corruption. Watch the costs rise above what the taxpayers pay in. Back to square one, by lessening the care’s provided for.
Conservatives = nullify all the special bills the congress made with rx lobbyists that lock in the high costs of rx. Lower the costs itself. End corruption.

LostCoastEMP
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LostCoastEMP
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

You just sustainable jobs! Lmao. Yeeeahhhh. Never get ahead. That’s socialism alright. Inprison tyrants and traitors.

Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
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Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
5 years ago
Reply to  LostCoastEMP

“In prison tyrants and traitors.”

That’ll be the name of the chapter in U.S. History textbooks about Vladimir Putin’s puppet presidency and its foolish fascist figurehead Demented Demonic Donald Trump, criminal narcissist numbskull. 🏌️⚖️🤕🔨 # Impeachment Proceedings Are Underway In The House Judiciary Committee 🇺🇸👍🏿

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  LostCoastEMP

A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away.

Be careful for what you wish.

At what point are We the People going to take responsibility for ourselves?

I like stars
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I like stars
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Agreed. Freedom can not exist without personal responsibility.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I hear ya.. I do.. I believe in personal accountability.. But what about Corporate accountability? You really think a life saving Epipen should cost $650? How can “personal responsibility” solve that? You think any of the big Corporate players have any concept of “personal” or ”community” accountability.. or environmental accountability? Freedom will not exist if a regulating body is not there to protect, and encourage it either… You think climate change will simply Adress itself.. I mean it may.. but it also may mean a lot of chaos and drama for us… as people.. “Personal Accountability” is that a clever excuse for putting the head in the sand, and ignoring the problems with the world today?? “Personal responsibility” to me also means encouraging and directing the governing bodies to behave in ethical demeanors. Is it “Personal Responsibility” to simply ignore the suffering of other human beings?? I dis like over regulations and overreach as much as anyone.. And I seriously wonder about the agenda of the government… But that doesn’t mean there is not a need for it to exist..

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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festus haggins
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festus haggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

You my friend, are correct.

guest
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guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

it’s too bad these resources weren’t used to go after the Heroin & Meth traffickers/dealers! They seem to be more of a threat criminally & taking lives.

Blinded By The Green
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Blinded By The Green
5 years ago
Reply to  guest

I agree 110%. Many times people don’t open their eyes to a major issue until it directly affects them! When the drug addicts in your neighborhood continue to literally bleed you out of your finances, health, and well being, you will eventually just become another statistic.

Since the powers that be can’t figure out all the cannabis legalization issues that could make this area sustainable strong again, I don’t hold out much hope for them ever solving or even dealing with the local hard drug issues on a major scale!

The law enforcement doesn’t like drains on their resources either, so just take a wild guess who will pay the price of this continuing disease? I have watched this happen for too many years to believe that I’ll be eventually pulled from the fire. I think we’re on our own!!!

Larry
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Larry
5 years ago
Reply to  LostCoastEMP

Hitler started off as a so called liberal and look how that turned out. You all have been hoodwinked. California used to be so cool from the fifties to the mid seventies.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Larry

Larry ,

Hitler was a Conservative.

Communism was the enemy of Germany, as he declared in Mein Kampf.

He was resolved before his power to help Germany’s government fight Marxism.

Beyond his stated political beliefs, the National Socialist Movement name was just bullshit and advertising, like Make America Great Again.

All the information regarding Hilters beliefs are very easily available, everywhere, online.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian, for the sake of coherent further discussion will you give me both the definition of a “conservative ” and a “liberal”? Thanks.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr,

I imagine you mean in the context of Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Here:

When Hitler came to power he attempted to dismantle trade unions and the shell that remained loyal to him; he supported the actions of leading industrialists, actions far removed from socialism which tends to want the opposite. Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of terrifying middle and upper-class Germans into supporting him. Workers were targeted with slightly different propaganda, but these were promises simply to earn support, to get into power, and then to remake the workers along with everyone else into a racial state.

There was to be no dictatorship of the proletariat as in socialism; there was just to be the dictatorship of the Fuhrer.

The belief that Hitler was a socialist seems to have emerged from two sources: the name of his political party, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, or Nazi Party, and the early presence of socialists in it.

The National Socialist German Worker’s Party:

While it does look like a very socialist name, the problem is that ‘National Socialism’ is not socialism, but a different, fascist ideology. Hitler had originally joined when the party was called the German Worker’s Party, and he was there as a spy to keep an eye on it. It was not, as the name suggested, a devotedly left wing group, but one Hitler thought had potential, and as Hitler’s oratory became popular the party grew and Hitler became a leading figure.

It’s more than abundantly clear that Hitler was socially conservative; of course you know why that is.

Had he been socially liberal than Jews, blacks, gays would have been welcomed.

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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
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If you’re going to lay out big quotes you need to attribute those quotes.

With regards to context, I meant your definition.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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Attribution is mostly pointless if the fact is abundant, in my opinion. But, if you want to read more from that italic paste:

https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367

Again, Hitler’s own words declare him anti-communist. But that isnt good enough, so why should I waste my time with too many links: Everyone knows what Google is.

Conservative and liberal have broad definitions without context.

Social and economic classifications being the biggest two talking points, mostly.

I don’t think I have the energy to type my thoughts on either/or.

But more importantly, I don’t think what I think matters;

We are talking about something that has history and context, and aside from political bias it should be clear that Hitler was NO LIBERAL, and by no means a socialist.

Let’s just stick to the facts. You yourself didn’t want to get caught in the left/right paradigm, so why ask what your asking?

The facts on Hitler are clear.

He was no socialist.

**addition below: I assume you want to try to understand me more.

As you know, the last President I voted for was Ron Paul.

He was a Conservative to the best of my interpretation.

On the opposite, Liberal spectrum side, in my mind as an archeotype would be A. Cortez .

Then there is everything and everyone between.

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5 years ago
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No. It is not clear. You want to divide the world into a simple dichotomy. Sorry, it’s more complex than that. You think it’s cut and dry and assume all point of argument operates from the same reference. I do not.

He was a socialist for those that he felt were worthy.

“The political views of Adolf Hitler have presented historians and biographers with some difficulty…While he studied the activities of the German Workers’ Party (DAP), Hitler became impressed with founder Anton Drexler’s antisemitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist ideas. ”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

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5 years ago
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antisemitic, nationalist, anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist ideas.

That’s what I’ve been saying! Verbatum!

https://kymkemp.com/2019/02/27/huffman-and-wood-heard-from-humboldt-and-talked-about-governor-newsom-sending-the-national-guard-north-to-go-after-illegal-cannabis-farms/#comment-785750

* Just because he was anti-capitalist does not mean you can insert a socialist term agenda.

That was his Nationalist side. Strong Germany, not socialist Germany.

I agree things are “complex”. But that doesn’t mean you can make stuff up about how you think I view things, or how history is written.

You asked for an explanation of liberal and conservative. That’s a broad fucking question and you know it.

Of course you found something in my answer you didn’t like.

But the facts of history are clear enough to say Hitler was NO Socialist!

* more :
Funny too, it was the flat earth, DEW, NeoNazi crew, Shak , that was trying to make the false point that Hitler was socialist.

That group is so far from credible, or right, yet here you are barking up my tree for setting them straight.

If you still think Hitler was a socialist, your wrong, and you have provided absolutely zero that says he was.

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5 years ago
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It is this simple Ullr:

Hitler has not ever been declared a socialist by any historian or by Hitler himself.

If you want to say Hitler was a socialist, your wrong and trying to make something up.

There is a lot to be said about Hitler. But that he was inspired by, cared for, or supported Socialism is not something that is accurate or true.

It really is THAT SIMPLE.

The complex part, for you, is to take this information seriously and adapt it into your political viewpoint as it appears you and many others have used a fundamentally flawed argument to scare people against Socialism.

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5 years ago
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so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community (or government) as a whole.

The Nazi party fits this definition.
What’s your definition of socialism?

Fascism
“a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.”

And they fit this definition as well. They are not mutually exclusive.

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“Classical liberal economist and philosopher Friedrich Hayek, in his 1944 book The Road to Serfdom, argued that socialism and national socialism had similar intellectual roots. “Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.” He cited the following exemplary cases of socialist scholars: Werner Sombart was hailed as a Marxist and persecuted for his beliefs, but when he later rejected internationalism and pacifism in favor of German militarism and nationalism, he became an intellectual force for national socialism early on. Johann Plenge, another early national socialist intellectual, saw national socialism as a German adaptation of socialism. Paul Lensch was a socialist politician in the Reichstag who argued for central control of the economy and for militarism that became features of national socialism. He wrote that Western or English liberalism, which includes the ideas of freedom, community, and equality and rule by parliamentary democracy, was anathema in a true Germany, where power should belong to the whole, everyone is given his place, and one either obeys or commands. Oswald Spengler in his early writings advocated many of the ideas shared by German socialists at this time. Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, a patron saint of national socialism, per Hayek, claimed that World War I was a war between liberalism and socialism and that socialism lost. Like Plenge and Lensch, he saw national socialism as socialism adapted to the German character and undefiled by Western ideas of liberalism.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

Brian
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5 years ago
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Broad strokes Ullr.

What your getting into is far from the false statement that Hitler was a Socialist.

But look at your paste;

The emphasis on early socialists in the Nazi party should not be lost on you as I or another previously pointed out.

Hitler did not employ socialism in his political ideology. The more power he gained, the more the socialist side of the party were forced out of influence.

Now, more perplexing is the idea that WW1 was liberalism vs. socialism.

Without getting too deep into that statement in itself, I wonder how that translates now.

Because what you and Shak, and others are doing is equating liberalism as socialism, or at least equal enough to use “Hitler was a Socialist” to scare liberals into adapting conservative viewpoints.

Now you are making it complex in my opinion.

The simple answer, as many historians and even Hitler himself put it is; Hitler was an anti-communist Conservative Nationalist.

And that’s that.

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5 years ago
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I don’t equate ” liberalism” with “socialism”. The problem is most self-defined liberals are anything but liberal. They are statist. Socialism, Communism, fascism are all forms of statism and do not need a left/right ideal.

Again the political spectrum is not a static dichotomy unless you listen to CNN and other MSM definitions.

Larry
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Larry
5 years ago
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Hitler started off as a liberal read it’s easy to find.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of the state and corporate power.” Benito Mussolini

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Joe Dirt
5 years ago
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Restoring Peace and Freedom.
The unalienable right to grow and smoke marijuana
the right to religious and spiritual practices for medical and spiritual well being
and the healing of the nations
no permit needed

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5 years ago
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The funniest part of your fascist commentary is your silly statement that you’ll be voting for Traitor Trump in 2020! LMFAO!!! 😆🤣😂😅😁

Yeah, sure, whatever deplorable dude. 🐘 💩. It’s going to be somewhat inconvenient for Deranged Donald. You know… trying to run for president from federal prison. 🇷🇺🏌️👈🏼👋🏻⚖️🚿

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Trolls are rats
5 years ago

Bless Trump and long may he survive the rats snapping at his ankles. Otherwise they are free to swarm over those who have what the rats want to steal.

Mike
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Mike
5 years ago

Politicians should be changed often like babies diapers and for the same reason

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5 years ago
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Mike. That’s the problem. We the people keep voting in extreme left/right yes/no maybe so presidents. We need solid,upholding of American fundamentals. Not crooked women….. not billionaire playboys….. not war mongers….not Muslim colored folk. We need to dig up F.D.R. And clone him , keep him president for a 100 year term!

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5 years ago
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FDR? No. He did more to jump start the massive expansion of the federal government than any other president. Learning from Woodrow Wilson, FDR expanded (created) the various federal bureacracies to get around that pesky Article 1, Section 1 of the US Constitution.

” All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.”

https://youtu.be/ZwmUH5AGydQ

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5 years ago
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Are you upset FDR defeated the Nazis? Of course you are. 🐘. Too bad, so sad, get over it. 🇺🇸 We won, you lost.

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5 years ago
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~from The Great Betrayal by Eustice Mullins

On January 6, 1936, the Supreme Court declared the Agricultural Adjustment Act unconstitutional because the AAA processing taxes were to support a system of federal regulation of agriculture, which is outside the powers the Constitution had delegated to Congress. The court also held in this decision that the general welfare clause of the Constitution was not an independent grant of power, but was directly linked to taxation.

Headlines on the front page of the New York Times on May 25, 1937 heralded the official inauguration of the new Welfare State. “SUPREME COURT BACKS SECURITY ACT AND JOB INSURANCE.” Roosevelt now had his Supreme Court majority in favor of the New Deal. The Times quoted the majority opinion of Justice Cardoza, “the concept of the general welfare clause cannot be static, he held.” Justice McReynolds dissented, stating that; “The Constitution looks to an indestructible union composed of indestructible states.”

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5 years ago
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LostBrainEMP.. Excuse me, but rasism, fascism, xenophobia, and sexism’s are not “American Fundimentals”. How blantanly UnAmerican of you… billionaire play boys, war mongers Like Chump??? President fascist dictator for 100 years? Wow.. no wonder Chumps unpopularity is at an all time high.. Chump for prison 2019..

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Dragonfly
5 years ago
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👍

Larry
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Larry
5 years ago
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FDR was a moderate socialist dimocrat.

Donald Charlton
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Donald Charlton
5 years ago
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Exactly!!!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
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More Twain:

“Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.”

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festus haggins
5 years ago

Please bring on the National Guard and root these frigin hippies out of here. They could setup H.Q. at my house and walk to work for quite some time.

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gunsmoke
5 years ago
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Festus for prez!!!! Make America Normal Again.

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Trump Is Fake (And Orange) 🍊
5 years ago
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That means that freak Trump and his freak show hair have to go!

Guesty1
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Guesty1
5 years ago
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Great idea! Maybe you’ll even get to drive to San Francisco to go to the grocery store when the economy collapses!

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Antix
5 years ago
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Lmao, Right?! And DUH!!!! What are people thinking? These weed growing “hippies” (?) 🤔 are keeping places like Calico’s and Dazey’s open. Any idea what happens when all these quote “hippies” stop making weed money? Probably not since history isn’t welcome in Humboldt. Just ask Mr. former President McKinley. 🤨

Brian
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5 years ago
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It’s hard to compare the downturn of the Timber industry economically compared to the Weed industry without official numbers.

But a few things stick out in my mind;

1) Timber industry was supported by locals living in areas and spending the cash there.

How much of the weed industry is filled with out of State and Country bosses hiring temps to do work they havnt done, and bringing profits back out of State?

2) Selling less bags of soil and more automated trimming machines might not be too bad a deal. Stores will adapt, some may fail. The Weed industry isn’t over, just transitioning.

3) California’s boom and bust history is quite extensive, given its short history with Anglos. Gold and Timber and Technology all have done it.

I think the impacts of the transitioning Weed market in Northern California will be less recognizable than the Timber Industry impacts.

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5 years ago
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Fwiw, my observation to question 1, is that the major percentage of growers lived and spent where they worked.
The last few years did see an incursion of foreign investment , but even then, they were the minority to my eye.
Like you said, its hard to know without official numbers.

Brian
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5 years ago
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Just curious what your seeing?

Or rather, what area of the Emerald Triangle?

Then, what scale are the farms you See?

100 outdoor plants or 1,500 outdoor plants?

2 hoophouses or 12 Vegas Greenhouses?

I see Trinity grows. Hmong, Eastern Europeans, East Coasters and a minority of locals.

For instance, I live year around at 4000′ with only one neighbor whos been there 35 years.

When the snow melts 18 parcels magically begin anew.

Where’s the money?

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festus haggins
5 years ago
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It will come to a surprise to you for sure, but thing were great here until the late 60’s when all you dope heads moved here from L/A , Berkeley.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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~baloney.

Larry
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Larry
5 years ago
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Isn’t that when the North Coast still had logging, much more fishing and cattle?

Larry
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Larry
5 years ago
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Old hippies were the OG’s you newbies would not be where you are today if they hadn’t laid the ground work.

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5 years ago
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If democracy scares you, feel free to fall in love with 🇰🇵 North Korea like that Traitor Trump Chump. 🇷🇺💰🏌️👈🏼👋🏻⚖️🚿 Take a permanent vacation to the future North Korean site of another Trump Tower. Or perhaps Moscow is more your style? 🇷🇺👋🏻

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5 years ago
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Maybe Deplorable Donald Trump can get off of his golden toilet, stop taking golden showers with Russian prostitutes, and stop Tweeting racist psychotic nonsense. 🏌️🇷🇺🤪

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Legallettuce
5 years ago
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We are watching. Keep your troops on federal land all will be fine. Touch one private parcel and it truly will be a war. We don’t deserve being threatened because your greedy asses are not getting your money. As far as the oversupply not so. This is a state issue.

https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/california-will-run-out-of-legal-marijuana-by-summer-legal-fix-in-works

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Festus..Really.. Root out the “Hippies”.. because what is needed is more drained out homeless Meth zombies..Geesh..

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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“Over grown military establishments, are, under any form of government, inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.” -George Washington

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

~more from the lying sacks of excrement.

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5 years ago
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Bringing military agaist citizens for law enforcement posse comitatus act of 1878 they’ve brought the military in against the people before this should be intolerable no branch of the United States government should do this to its people Central HumCo is right and we will stand up against it we’ve stood up to the shitshow before
Humboldt County State and Federal Government out of my garden

Guesty1
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Guesty1
5 years ago
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But the war is on drugs though, not people! They’d surely never lock someone up, theyd only lock the drugs up.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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~kanabosom is a plant, not a drug.

Coast
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Coast
5 years ago
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Where do coffee beans come from? Is caffeine a drug?

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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Merriam-Webster once ruled that drug was “illiterate” but have since upgraded it to “dialect”.

~some people drink lots of coffee all day, but a drug? Nope.

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5 years ago
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it doesn’t count as a bad thing because
it is a Democrat Governor doing it after conferring
with Democrat Congresspersons…

Willie caos- mayhem
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5 years ago

🕯This isn’t what there suppose to be used for either.

LostCoastEMP
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LostCoastEMP
5 years ago

Your right willE. National Gaurd are to be used to secure our nation at its borders and waterways. Secure….. not observe.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

100%

~but then, these guys are not in the Republic.

I like stars
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I like stars
5 years ago

Huffman makes Dale Mensing seem like a pretty good option. At least Dale is trustworthy.

LostCoastEMP
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LostCoastEMP
5 years ago
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I voted for dale, and will again, at least he is not a two headed snake.

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5 years ago
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Dale Mensing is a mentally ill moron who willingly attended Bob Jones University. ‘Nuff said. 🐘👈🏼🤪

DaleDanTony
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DaleDanTony
5 years ago

dale is an honest man and id gladly vote for him again!

I like stars
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I like stars
5 years ago

Hey Kym, does the above comment meet your guidelines of acceptability? It seems to be nothing but a personal attack. I doubt the commenter has any actual knowledge about Dale’s mental health or intelligence.

[edit]

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5 years ago
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Seriously 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Kym is that ok. Rat

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5 years ago
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Let’s have a discussion of the FACT that Dumbass Dale Mensing attended Bob Jones University, otherwise commonly known as KKK University.

Why did Mr. Mensing willingly attend Bob Jones University? What did he learn while he was there? I haven’t heard ANY local journalists question Mr. Mensing about his educational background AT ALL during ANY of his multiple congressional campaigns, including his current one!

What gives, local “journalists”? Are you afraid to ask?

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5 years ago

I’d guess in this heavily liberal area no one feels that Dale is likely to win and thus doesn’t slam him with questions.

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5 years ago
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Sure, that’s true. Dale Mensing has no chance of winning a general election for any office, let alone Congress! 😆🤣 But since no other Republicans have been running for Congress locally, Dale the Dingbat from Bob Jones University continues to get the Republican nomination uncontested every two years. Is that actually fair to Republican voters, that the only choice they ever get not only can’t win, but is an extreme (and extremist) embarrassment to their political party? 🐘👈🏼🤪

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5 years ago
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You literally just insulted someone’s intelligence at the end of your post.

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago
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I like Dale. But he’s a public figure who has ran for office more than once. Neither he nor Obummer, nor Chump (not my preferred way of speaking . I’m merely quoting commenters here) get to escape harsh comments.

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I like stars
5 years ago
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Cool. I assume that means next time he’s in the news it’s ok to point out how fat the [edit] is. He is, after all, a bigger (much bigger 😉 ) public figure than Dale.

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago
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You want to comment on someone’s weight…start with mine. Otherwise, let’s stick to insulting their names, intelligence, and other facts having to do with the reason they are public figures not their personal appearance.

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5 years ago
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I would agree, and reluctantly do – however, since 400# Satan bought the place next to mine, and has no respect whatsoever for this breath-taking piece of paradise, it leads me to think that if he can’t control the fork to the mouth, what else can i expect but total, and I MEAN, TOTAL incompetence. He beLIEves he owns The Acres.

~i can only wish for the glory days of yesteryear’s slim bod. Nah, i could get off my be-hind and do something active besides bring in the wood and take out the ashes . . .

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Progressives are perverts
5 years ago
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Maybe the issue should not be whether the reporter agrees with the insulting commenter’s hatred but whether tolerating childish insults just because you dislike a particular person too are disruptive to a civilized society. Then there is no need to figure out whether calling a public figure fat is unacceptable while calling them an orange orangutan is just fine.

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago

Fair enough. I’ve been troubled over the orange for awhile. Trump can be an orangutan as Obama can be a donkey or a tortoise. But Orange does too accurately insult his person. I won’t allow it anymore.

'Merican woman
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'Merican woman
5 years ago
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😊❤

Jorge Cervantes
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Jorge Cervantes
5 years ago

The student that asked the Pertinent questions was actually “Sophie” from Arcata High. I heard the report on KMUD news.

kelley
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kelley
5 years ago

Ok. I heard eureka high when i was there, but my hearing is crap. The kmud broadcast was probably cleaner

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago
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Family member told me Arcata so I changed it.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago

Glad all those people showed up.

Thanks to Kelley for the report.

No one asked about Trumps former attorneys testimony? Damn, no one brought champagne? C,mon people!

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5 years ago
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It’s party time on a Wednesday morning! 🎈 🍺 🇺🇸 # IMPEACH TRUMP 🇷🇺🐘⚖️

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago

The Cohen testimony is just mind boggling…

I like stars
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I like stars
5 years ago
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Cohen is headed to prison because he was convicted for perjury. In case you don’t understand, perjury is intentionally lying after having sworn to be truthful. Is this the type of person you find credible?

Where’s that high horse you’re usually claiming to ride?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
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He was the first person in history to testify before Congress who had been convicted of lying to Congress.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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(As the Presidents lawyer to boot!)

shak
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shak
5 years ago
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Yep, and Jim Jordan lays it out in quite frankly style.
https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1100790910433067009

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  shak

Jim Jordan, who just like a few here, can’t ever see when the Pres is wrong:

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/383471-anderson-cooper-confronts-gop-lawmaker-you-havent-heard-the-president-lie

Jim Jordan, who also is defending serious allegations against himself:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/jim-jordan-michael-cohen-congress-800948/

Nice reference for defending the Crook in charge!

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Liberals are lamebrained lunatics
5 years ago
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A whole lot of people commenting here can not hear a lie out of their left ear either and their right ear heard nothing but lies.

Trump has an embarassing tendency to exaggerate. He doesn’t worry too much about whether something he says is correct or not. But then neither do any prominent Democrats, Progressives or socialists. All the public display of outraged morals from any politician is a tool to lead their adherents around by their noses.

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago

Brian getting to you? Those are quite the names…

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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Shucks! I love good names!

What did I miss?

See, I don’t mind some name calling sometimes. Sometimes it’s earned.

So if you called me a good name, I assume one of two things. Either your on to something, or your projecting.

If your on to something, then I can take that moment to learn or I’ll just stay the earned insult.

Alternatively the same would apply to you if your not onto something with the name calling.

Trump calls everybody a name. As an asshole.

Obama did not do this.

There is a fundamental difference in the physics of actions and reactions concerning this administration vs. any other.

What I find entertaining, is the people who staunchly defend Trump are the thinnest skinned when it comes to name calling.

Those are my observations regarding commentors here for sure.

They also seem to be light on facts.

I call HumCo a flat Earther, because Humco has expressed interest in the subject and promoted it. Kym wont allow my more honest feelings regarding that be said.

I call Trump Tweety Bird Trump because his tweeting addiction and his documented big head (ego).

Personally, I think I’m onto something.

Brian
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5 years ago
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Michael is a businessman for his own account/lawyer who I have always liked & respected,

-Trump tweet on Cohen in 2018

Trump hired him for services, not me.

If Cohen lies under oath another time he can be charged again.

But we all (besides diehards that refuse to read the writing) know he’s probably not lying.

Trump never drained the swamp, he is the swamp thing; John Bolton, Rudy Gulianni, CIA pick (and torturer) Gina Haspel. (To name a couple highlights still serving)

How about his office turnover rate? I’ve run business’, and his ain’t working!

Sorry if you were invested, I’m not. Let the cards fall, deal with the best facts possible.

All of the men Trump has praised are going to jail!

Now, Stars: Are you still angry that I know what light research is, and have called out Humcos free advertising of Conmen, Neo Nazi’s and Flat Earthers?

Is that why you think I’m thinking my horse is high?

If that’s the bar, for information, that you set for your horse, I could see why you think that.

Like I said defending freedom is different than promoting stupidity.

Your choice.

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I like stars
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

So you think Cohen is credible?

FFS, the man is a convicted perjurer. It seems believing him would be stupidity.

But hey, you also find Buzzfeed credible so I shouldn’t be surprised.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Oh, stars.

Tell us, who was Cohen working for when he committed perjury?

What did he say that was perjury?

What does that imply?

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To answer your question regarding Cohen’s credibilty:

I think the credibilty of anyone who would align themselves with such an obvious fraud as Trump is questionable.

But to Cohen’s defense, he plead guilty and is going to serve time. He is separating himself, which is the best thing to do.

shak
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shak
5 years ago
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Isn’t it funny how CNN had the transcript before the Committee did and how Cooper’s name always surfaces with operation mockingbird inquiries?

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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Up to 2 days ago you called Trump your “hero”.

It’s going to be tough for you to deal with his upcoming downfall.

We should expect you to come up with really whack conspiratorial concepts in order for you to suffice for your lack of explanations and facts that are relevant to the matters at hand.

You see, it wasn’t just your claim that “the media tints Trump orange” was wrong.

You being one of the most vocal commentors regarding Government corruption, have blindly supported and hailed one of the largest and stupidist crooks to hit the White House since Nixon.

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Democrats are dumb
5 years ago
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It is not that Trump is considered perfect by anyone but that so many of his critics are so much worse than he is that it is dangerous to give them the slightest encouragement. They have to be opposed so they are kept too busy being outraged over nothing to burn down everyone’s home in their insanity. Like Hillary Clinton, they are defeated by throwing truth at them.

Conservatism Is Corruption 🇷🇺💰👈🏼🏌️👋🏻⚖️🚿
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Bring on the Impeachment!

Progressives are perverts
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Progressives are perverts
5 years ago

So you believe that impeachment has a chance at being successful? Well, Democrats and liberals didn’t think that approving of Obama’s hijacking of Congressional powers when he created a whole bureaucracy to administer his unconstitutional DACA regulations would lead to Trump’s attempting to leverage funding his wall funding the same way so that is not a surprise that they think impeachment is a way to get what they want too and not have to pay the price themselves at some later point.

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5 years ago

Impeachment of Trump has only just begun and Democrats’ earnest efforts are already wildly successful. Trump is spiraling down in full-blown meltdown mode, which will only get worse 10 days from now when The Trump Crime Family’s money man gives up the game on live TV in House hearings. Then Hope Hicks, Ivanka, Donald, Jr., Jared Kushner, etc. and the never ending 2019 lineup of deplorable dumbasses will make a Senate Impeachment trial unnecessary. Trump has already lost his mind permanently no matter how much Adderall he snorts (you saw his CPAC speech 🐘👈🏼🤪🔨), and his tattered mental condition will only degrade even further with each devastating piece of testimony against Traitor Trump and his mob of morons, the dumbest criminals in America.

P.S. – They’re calling this “Stupid Watergate” for a reason. And the reason is… Trump is stupid! 🏌️👈🏼🤪 # Noel Casler for President

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C'mon elections
5 years ago

Lie’ers And theives, after sitting there watching our board of supervisors violate the 8th amendment and Rob as many of there constitutes as they could for 2 years these guys are as trustworthy as a eureka tweaker!!
Dale minsing is all about the bill of rights! !!! That’s rite OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! !!!! these guys will never get my vote again they’ve shown wher there loyalties stand and it’s not with the people,IT’S WITH THE MIGHTY DOLLAR! !!!!!!.

Anon
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Anon
5 years ago

This GUEST comment exactly /\

“**They don’t particularly want to be undercut by folks sliding back into the black market**”

That’s the biggest lie being foisted on everyone. Stop it.
No unpermitted farmers are “undercutting ” the “legal” growers.. more like the opposite!!!

Local black market is flooded with white market weed . haha .

Admit it tools.

The dispensaries/distributors aren’t handling the GLUT of legal herb and in order to salve that bottom line permitted farmers everywhere are calling their old connects “Hey, anything moving? I have some to unload.” Thus actually pushing the hardcore outlaws out of the black market with their “free pass no track/trace” product. So tricky.

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Sid Vicious
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Like all the weapons sold all over the world to kill people. You definitely know that surplus killing machines will find themselves in third world hands

Farce
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Farce
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Anon- Thank you! Truth. I have witnessed this many times now. Track-n-trace is a farce. The massive overproduction is coming mainly from huge permitted farms who are then dumping all they can into the traditional underground market.

Perspective
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Perspective
5 years ago
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The county and the state must be aware of the true situation. My guess is the are just letting it slide, because what else can they do? I don’t know 1 permitted farm that has sold 100% above board.

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5 years ago
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My cynical guess is that they have a stategy. 1st- Use the permitted grows as justification and their fees to wage war on unpermitted grows. This is what we are see beginning now in earnest…2nd-Reduce pathways to acquiring grow permits, increase costs and regulations, under environmental concerns actually rescind some permits…This will leave many smaller permitted grows unable to continue. Concentration of the industry into fewer well-financed corporate entities…. It’s really quite obvious and inevitable. The smaller permitted farms are being used…They (the corporate predators) have split our community and our resistance. “Legalization” is their tool.
Look to the eastern states to see the future. NJ and now NY are fashioning “legalization” that allows their citizens to grow…ZERO plants. Because the terrible black-market will ruin their plans. Yes- they are saying everybody will be “free and safe”! It’s a multi-billion dollar corporate takeover that has misinformed people cheering….pathetic

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WillSmithFreshPrinceOfHumCO
5 years ago
Reply to  Farce

I agree, everyone I know who is permitted is selling product on the black market, not just flowers either, anything and everything under the sun, trim, BHO, distillate, live resin, rosin you name it. New Jersey wants to put a flat rate tax of $42 per OZ of flowers. Legal cannabis is going to be so expensive because the cost of production in states like New York and Jersey and the tax rates. The black market sun grown craft cannabis farmers of the PNW will undercut the legal market. These states legalizing will be like throwing gas on the black market it’ll explode. As far as the troops Northern Cali is huge and there’s grows all over shasta,nevada,siskiyou,lake,calavaras counties aswell as mendo and trinity they can’t bust 40k grows. They need to enforce the huge permitted mega grows as they are the ones flooding the illicit market!!! Not your small craft producer that grows 100 units of high grade organic flower a year.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Agreed Farce.. they definitely have a plan for absolute corporate control, and market domination. These are simulare to ‘World Trade Organization’ stratigies of over flooding markets, and over regulating competitors. The US and it’s puppets have been bankrupting small Farmers and Communities for decades…
I strongly Bielive they are proping up the “corrupt legal market” by letting them drain lots of back door cannabis into the Original Market.. They can’t make thier legal cannabis affordable enough to compete, with all the heavy handed taxation and over regulations, and massive over production..so they turn thier back at an attempt to wash out the original market.. but really all they are doing is proping the original market up and making it stronger, and more alluring to legal growers. They know they have lost the battle of massive raids.. these are mearly for show now.. Subtle corrupt manipulation seems to be thier tactic now… They have done this for years.. to other small farmers of all sorts.. I think many of us know what the problems are.. but what I would like to see are some solutions. Can we petition the water boards to make sensible policies? Can we write letters, Produce lawsuits, create injunctions, form sensible committees, find better Canidates, vote out corruption from the county, Possibly pass ordinance on a county level, The answers are definitely not easy.. but I believe there are answers, and solutions… And I will say.. I do agree there are a lot of bad players out there who have taken advantage of our community, and exploited the laws to propetuate bad practices.. How do we protect and encourage small and ecofriendly farms, while keeping these bad players in check? How do we do this and also protect out heritage… I sincerely call fowl play.. from the regulators definitely.. But what are some ways we can find solutions to benefit all??

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DaleDanTony
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

you must not know what going on in the legal market.
Currently distributors cannot find enough legal weed, they are saying there will be a drought and that the cannabis supply is running low.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  DaleDanTony

Lol.. because it all went to the Original Market.. because very few passed the massive testing requirements..

WillSmithFreshPrinceOfHumCO
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WillSmithFreshPrinceOfHumCO
5 years ago
Reply to  DaleDanTony

This is not because a lack of supply of cannabis this is because there is a lack of supply of flower that has passed testing and a lack of permitted farms due to over regulation. They are killing the industry with over regulation then blaming black market growers so they have an excuse to bring down the hammer.

Perspective
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Perspective
5 years ago
Reply to  DaleDanTony

LOL!!!!

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

This “Press Release” is after the fact – like a week after. Was there a meeting notice of date posted in here before the meeting? Did i miss it?

~wait, it doesn’t say “Press Release” (?)

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Shall i take a no reply to my above question, as a “No”?

~because i was in Eureka last Thursday the 21st. It was a clear cold windy day. Had I have known of this “Town Hall” meeting to prep. the public for trespass by our own State military onto private property and attack on citizens of California state, i would have been there with the following:

To help you maintain your private individual and public personal honor in every respect,
morally, commercially and lawfully…I demand a certified true copy of each;
indemnity/performance bond and Oath of office. Public liability insurance for corporate
agents, officers and municipal law requires that proof of such be displayed whenever
required. Failure to provide this information constitutes corporate and limited liability
insurance fraud and is prima facie evidence and grounds to impose a lien upon the person,
personally, to secure their public oath and service of office.

“Color of law” is not applicable. Failure to produce the aforementioned papers will
immediately constitute your admittance to any/all of the following:
1) Failure of office
2) Failure of fiduciary duties
3) Failure of substantive due process
4) Involvement with prior knowledge and pre-meditated fraudulent gross negligence

So Kelly, KMUD and RHBB, when you profess these two worse-than-useless persons to be an Assemblyman and a Congressman – do you know it for fact? Or, just your beliefs?

Huffman is from Healdsburg. Let him and his partner in crime, Jim Wood go down there and rattle their sabers at Sonoma County’ growers.

That we’re hearing about this “meeting” in here (a week later), and weren’t warned prior about it in here – stinks to the high heaven!

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kelley
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Woa Central,
As far as the legitimacy of their election, Humboldt county has about the most transparent election process in the country.
You ate welcome to join the recount volunteers.
As far as notice of the meeting, i dont know why they don’t tell people ahead. You can call their office and ask what their policy is.

But thanks to kmud for making it available for the whole community to hear,
By the way, the archive dumps everything after two weeks.
Down load it soon if you want to hear it later.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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~like the Measure Z theft’s double-header ballot title – “And other Essential Necessities”?

I do happen to have a certified copy of Huff-man’s Oath -UNSIGNED.

It’s fraud. ALL of it. Enablers are just as guilty as the perpetraitors.

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thetallone
5 years ago
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KMUD only dumps MUSIC shows in 2 weeks (for copyright reasons). Talk shows stay in the archives for months. Thanks to KMUD for making this available.

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Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
5 years ago
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KMUD is in desperate need of some YOUNGER talk show hosts. The Alzheimer’s patient routine from a few of the current geriatrics on air stopped being funny years ago. Change is good, folks. Change is what being “progressive” is all about.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  kelley

~persons without proper Oaths do not and cannot have proper Bonds OR satisfy the necessary requirements to “hold” a bona fide “Office,” by ‘commission,’ “election,” or “appointment.” In short, an “Officer” or “Office Holder” cannot ‘occupy’ the office under false and misleading pretense, misrepresentation, and FRAUD, which strips the ‘person’ of ‘law authority’ and ‘immunity’ under well-seasoned law of the land.

A proper Oath and Bond are but two of the three primary “poles” of “office” [Oath, Bond, Commission].

One cannot act upon being ‘duly appointed’ or ‘duly elected’ or ‘duly commissioned’ simply by INCORPORATION and CORPORATE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

This is how tyrants are made. They go one step at a time and if not stopped, just continue.

Ezra
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Ezra
5 years ago

A student bringing up the national guard and the local impact is interesting. Seems like a gray/blurred subject with no clear answer from Huffman or Woods. Its a real concern to our local economy. Could make or break Humboldt. Jobs for young people, what’s left for them

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smallfry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ezra

Exactly Erza

C'mon elections
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C'mon elections
5 years ago

Politicians are like lawyers they stand there lie and steal without evan batting an eye,while pretending to be on your side.I like the comment of politicians are like baby’s diapers SO TRUE! !!

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Y Knot?
5 years ago

Offshore naval batteries, submarine launched cruise missiles, and b52 strikes to soften them up first….

Then send the Marines in.

While the Marines are here have them topple the occupation government in Sac.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
5 years ago
Reply to  Y Knot?

That strategy failed in Vietnam and would surely bring to rise a new Republic of the land.

Little fish
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Little fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Tunnels can be so handy!

Little fish
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Little fish
5 years ago
Reply to  Y Knot?

@ Y Knot:Do you know H.B.C.?

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

*Black’s Law Dictionary, 4th Edition: “brutum fulmen” – “An empty noise; an empty threat. A judgment void upon its face which is in Legal effect no judgment at all, and by which no rights are divested, and from which none can be obtained; and neither binds nor bars anyone. Dollert v. Pratt-Hewitt Oil Corporation, Tex.Civ.Appl, 179 S.W.2d 346, 348.”

Get some
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Get some
5 years ago

More foreclosure, fines, food bank lines, no reggae on the river, and people depressed about having to get a real tax paying job. Things are looking up👍.MAGA.

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5 years ago
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Make Russia Great Again! 🇷🇺💰🏌️🐘👈🏼

rollin
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rollin
5 years ago

To the woman who thinks Trump should go without pay if there’s another gubmint shutdown: Trump already forfeits his pay just like Obama did. Oh wait, Obama didn’t forfeit his pay. He did leave a really big tip at a restaurant while in office though. Of course it wasn’t his money to give away, it was ours. Typical liberal hippiecrit.
Love the communist, Chinese flag in the background. Very fitting.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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“Love the communist, Chinese flag in the background. Very fitting.”

~good eye!

And the four colored flag behind the cartoons in a cartoon graveyard, in the first picture.

Trump Is Fake (And Orange) 🍊🏌️
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Trump Is Fake (And Orange) 🍊🏌️
5 years ago

Yeah, that’s Trump the Traitor for you – loving on commie dictators constantly. 🇰🇵

C'mon elections
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C'mon elections
5 years ago

The bottom line is these guys and the government don’t like us.They were happy to steal what us and our folks started because all there interested in is money.it was as dangerous as heroin and the gateway drug for 70 years now they wannabe The dealer.no different than a gang slingin rocks on the corner,if another gang encroaches on there turf they do a drive by.CRACK DEALERS FOR CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT IN 2020

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Pot profits protected
5 years ago

All this beating the Constitution drum over rights of the individual! Will they ever notice that Rights apply to those they hate too? Somehow, in the battle of emotions that fuels the media, the Constitution will continue to be shredded.

SnarkBark
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SnarkBark
5 years ago

Most of the calls Huffman gets are from Canadian investment firms looking to protect their holdings

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C'mon elections
5 years ago

Unless there’s enforcement they’ll be backsliding into the black market and WE won’t get the benefits. Focus on WE. We is not the people that’s for sure !!!!!!! This country started out as we the people now it’s we the greedy theiving government and corparations. For God’s sake people don’t vote for these rip offs again

Huffman and Newsom are sellouts.
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Huffman and Newsom are sellouts.
5 years ago

Why don’t Huffman and Newsom insist on criminal charges against PG&E for their role in the most damaging fires the state has ever seen? PG&E got a slap on the wrist and is, in all fact, passing their fines and fees and etc. onto you and me.

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Juvy
5 years ago

I don’t see what all the whining is about. Isn’t Socialist rule what the liberal sheep voters of the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia wanted? It’s only going to get worse as long as you keep voting leftists into office. Time to wake up folks.

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C'mon elections
5 years ago

OFFERING NOTHING STEALING OUR ECONOMY ! !!!! PLAIN AS DAY TO ANY INTELLIGENT PERSON HERE TOO TAKE,TAKE,TAKE! !!!!!!!!!

shak
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shak
5 years ago

While POTUS is in Vietnam for Peace talks, Calif declares war against Americans by protecting a monopoly like the one that Vietnam had to fight off years ago. (same one?)
https://prezi.com/2mwfixz0d_ur/vietnam-before-1940/

The similarities between the red triangle and the green triangle are uncanny. Small Robin Hood type bands ran out of business after big political monopoly band moves in. (No, folks, it wasn’t capitalism that moved in, it was CRONY capitalism). A Crony is a crook.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/drug-war-mexico-gas-oil-cartel-717563/

shak
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shak
5 years ago
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BTW, for those who don’t know, Robin Hood didn’t steal from the rich to give to the poor, he stole b a c k from the state (king, sheriff) to give b a c k to the people the state stole it from.
Was that the first ‘tax refund”? LOL, not hardly. Tax refunds are a scam. The people are forced to ‘donate’ to the king so the king can collect interest off it, then return a small % back to the person it was ‘voluntarily’ taken away from by the king’s enforcement force.
The funds not given back are spent campaigning against the people for higher taxes, regulations, enforcement of such, and worse.

Big Bang
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5 years ago

If anybody actually believes the confetti that spews out of ANY politicians cakehole, I have some “medicinal” weed to sell them! As my dear ‘ole mom used to say,”If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it’s free… These empty suits will tell you anything for their fix, which is power.

shak
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shak
5 years ago

Under The Influence
60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft Reports On Drug Lobbyists’ Role in Passing Bill That Keeps Drug Prices High

Did you catch the title?
Here’s the transcript.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/under-the-influence/

There’s video’s too. I’ll drop in another post so Kym’s apeshite app about using the 3 links and under rule doesn’t pull a 3 link post off the wall like it’s been doing lately.

shak
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shak
5 years ago
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video, 60 minutes episode ‘under the influence’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RikKAelRX1w

shak
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shak
5 years ago

Public Integrity no longer exists. https://publicintegrity.org/rx/

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago

Gosh Dang.. Enough with the “Socialism Phobia” already.. geesh.. You know there are many countries where democratic socialism are a complete success? It just sounds like another round of ignorant “phobia”. The military sent here to raid.. that is definitely a concern.. but face it peoples… California in particular and the nation have HUGE problems with homelessness, income inequality, unaffordable healthcare, unaffordable housing.. I know I am ranting.. but what is this? 1940’s Mckarthy era? F that. Here we are in the 20th century talking like a bunch of dinosaurs. We should have freakin Huver crafts and completely renewable energy by now.. but instead people sit here and wine about non existent crapola problems.. while our county is drowning in a crap ton of water…. Because of massive climate changes.. Enough with the Alex Jones adgenda.. our country has real problems… And please donate to Kym..she works hard to make this forum happen. Thankyou!

Rat
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Rat
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Again. Glad your not in charge. Sound smart but blind

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  Rat

What ever.. Have you ever been to Eureka Rat?? 🙄

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C'mon elections
5 years ago

It’s not a socialist phobia with me it’s a phobia of having my God given rights as an American citizen under the constitution of the United states, that was written by our founding father’s who faught England for our independence and FREEDOM being trampled on by a bunch of lying rich corrupt theives.it’s a phobia of taxation without representation which is exactly why Samuel adams,goarge Washington,and the rest of the fellas, and hundreds of thousands of other vets put there necks on the line so we could live a life without exactly what California is heading towards.it’s gotten so bad the supreme court recently UNANIMOUSLY ruled against it.And stated that new York and California we’re the worst violators of the 8the amendment! !!!! It’s about the people not government greed and corparation greed !!!!

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago

Wow there.. C’mon elections.. Socialism isn’t a recourse to rewrite the entire constitution… Part of what make America great are social programs.. Public Roads, Libraries, public schools, social security, public transportation, public broadcasting, etc. . Coupled with a strong constitution.
American people are getting shafted because many of the “Rich” do not pay their fair share, and pay workers like a 1/10th or less then what they make for the big wigs… Most of these Corporations don’t even pay a livable wage in most circumstances.. and most of them do not pay taxes. The rich HATE the Idea of socialism.. because that would involve them paying thier fair share..
High taxes suck for sure.. but Americans pay pretty high taxes now.. and we don’t even have affordable healthcare, affordable housing, enough homelessness services or affordable or free college.. If the wealthy Elite paid thier fair share, and paid living wages, America could probably afford to invest in it’s future, and well being. So who is being doubt here?? , Wood said, “California may still become the first State to make universal healthcare a reality.” Well go Cali! It’s not like the Communists gov. In the world are going to come bang down our door because we finally wised up and brought together universal healthcare.. C’mon people let’s move into the 21st century already geez…

shak
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shak
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Employees with no payrolls and business loans to meet should be paid the same as their employer with payrolls and business loans to meet every 2 weeks?
Just because someone makes more money than you (in general, not you personally), doesn’t mean they’re ‘richer’ than you. It means they may have higher overhead (more payouts) than you. Insurance, upgrades, restocking, taxes, healthcare, lawsuits, … and finally, if all goes well, a few well deserved raises to hand out.

Somebody else, about 50 years ago or so, called his ideal the National Socialist’s Worker’s Party. His was German, not American like Bernie’s, but it’s the same rhetoric.
Once bit, twice shy.
Have some empathy for those who’ve been there, done that.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  shak

A capitalist society can be harmoniously blended with beneficial social programs. There is no reason one has to live in box, with the blinders on.. Universal Healthcare does not equate to ‘America being taken over’ 🙄.. It is very unfortunate that that slime ball poisioned the ‘Socialist’ name and used it for unspeakablely terrible deeds.. but it’s not the same ideology.. not by far. Besides, think of the unspeakable horrors that capitalism has been based on. . Actually though many employee run companies have succeeded.. Dazeys.. now, Winco.. Juul Vapes just awarded thier employees $1,000,000 bonus. Actually, I believe if you treat your employees well, and give them a stake in the company, they actually are more inclined to preform better.. Less stressed employees make better employees..
And don’t forget there are wealthy people right.. who most, probably had to work pretty hard to get where they are granted.. and there are Ultra Rich.. And I Garantee those people are ultimately way way richer than I am.. and yes.. those corrupt corporate puppets need to pay thier fair share.. And why should people working for them not make enough to even basically live? Why should the American people have to foot the bill? Enough corporate welfare.. I am not referring to small businesses, with small amounts of employees, mostly I am referring to big box stores who pay thier employees less than a livable wage, then pay thier CEO millions upon Millions.. Sorry… but that is draconian..

So another question then.. why is that the little people on the bottom doing some of the dirtiest hardest work in the world make the crummiest and worst wages of all?? Is it then not true.. that actually the rich elite are the ‘lazy bumbs milking off of people’? Why allow “rich” people to parsite site off of your hard labor?? Personally, I am not 💯 against “capitalism”.. I agree that sometimes a pecking order is ok.. Someone who sweeps the floor shouldn’t be paid as much as a “doctor” per say.. but the person sweeping the floor is still a person, still contributes to the wealth of the company and should be paid, at least a livable wage…

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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Dazy’s and Winco entering into free enterprise and carrying out a business model they see fit. That’s a good thing…. that they have the freedom to set up the model they see fit. That’s not socialism, that’s capitalism.

It’s ironic that socialism needs billionaires and capitalism does not. Socialism needs billionaires from whom to take wealth to support their massive government.

Chavez kept Venezuela going because of oil revenue. With regards to extracting resources, no different than ExxonMobil, except Chavez did it with an army.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Chávez’s model was a lot different than ExxonMobil, Chávez took the wealth, from the oil fields, and distributed it amongst the people.. ExonMobil takes the wealth, and distributes it to the wealthy.. big difference.. True there were problems with Venezuela, and now it’s collapsed into chaos.. very unfortunate for the people there.
But in Brazil a capitalist nation, you have some of the biggest slums in the world, and extreme poverty rates. Worse than Venezuela.. Now thier ‘leader’ is going to go into the last little bit of the Amazon, displace, and probably kill the Indigenous people there… And cut The forests down. And no doubt the US will benefit..But my point is, that Capitalist systems are not always successful either..

However, how does any of this relate to this post? Universal Healthcare… Universal health care does not mean that California is all of the sudden going to plummet off the square edge of a flat earth, and slide into “Communist dictatorship” geez.. There is absolutely no factual evidence that Capitalism and elements of socialism can’t work together for the common good, when In fact.. they already do…

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

But people who take in the name of social virtue always end up taking for themselves first then, since they do so in the name of the masses, keep on, without check the masses would provide if its self interest was not involved,until they parasitize it to death. Why does socialism never recognize the need to spend money to maintain that from which it derives support? Is that it is constitutionally incapable of hiring the most productive people rather than either supporters or the least productive? Is it impossible for it to notice that not everyone produces enough to cover what they take? Can they not stand up to the masses who they say are their reason for existence?

What is missing in your idea is that commercial enterprises take the wealth by employing those who create more wealth. They employ workers from janitors to CEOs, along with people making money in turn from those workers, so that the wealth that you complain about is what is left after a lot of it is spread around. With the masses to act as a constant check on them. The socialist state finds it impossible to restrain its own corruption because it thinks of wealth as it’s due, not its job.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Guest.. I hear your concern.. but in reality, don’t you think that the same might be true for a capitalist system as well? I think also one of the reasons Venezuela is experiencing so much turmoil right now, ( besides the onset of a ruthless dictator,) is that they did not invest and diversify their sources of income, and commodities… they were almost complete reliant on outside commodities instead of building those enterprises to maintain themselves… if they had, they would have probably been in a much better position to withstand the fluctuations of the oil prices… Of course, I understand the logic of what would then motivates people to build these industries if they are not compensated… And as far as people on the top.. taking for themselves.. Just look at the pay rate of any politician in America… and then look at the average wage most people make… happens here too.. all the time..
However the United States is about to suffer a similar fate.. if it doesn’t start thinking sustainabily, and diversifying it’s energy sources, at some point, inevitably it will be subject to the same forces.. and actually I think private companies are working on it… which is good. But it definitely needs a big boost, and support..
As far as people not producing as much as they take… lol.. what about the super wealthy elite? Honestly who do you think generates the wealth for these thieving parasites? .It is the masses.. Not the other way around… Actually most workers are not compensate properly for the wealth they create for the “owners” or “investors” . It may not be that way with all businesses, or wealthy, but that is generally how the capitalist model is designed to operate…
And then what happens? When people realize actually they are essentially just living to work? Just to create wealth for someone else?
I mean, me personally, I am not a 💯 Socialist.. I actually do believe Capitalism could be directed to be a positive system… however, It needs some social balances, like environmental and conservation measures, worker protections, Access to Affordable Health care, and education, also protections from discrimination, and the like.. Strong constitutions, and individual protections. When “Capitalism” also Invests in the betterment and well being of its people, it’s bound to create more wealth and health for all! People are the health and wealth of any society, in my opinion, that is where the investments need to go..

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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I guess you could say that universal health care would be social capitalism.
The logic you use is that socialism is communism and that communism is fascism leading you to call Democrats socialist, communist, fascists.
I nice bit of circular logic.
I like the way they walk around wearing flag lapels as if to say only you are patriots and only you are capitalists.
That is just pathetic.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Silverlining

I’m not sure to whom you are commenting. I don’t think it is me because I never said anything of the sort, but, just in case you’re twisting words for your own sake, I’ll respond.

Universal health care would be socializing medicine or the medical industry. Yes, it is part in parcel with socialism. The whole medical system needs revamping to work properly. It has not been operated by free markets in a long time. With government regulations of insurance and lawyers trying to sue for anything the whole industry is in decay. Unfortunately the insurance lobby has so much pull that there will probably never be a discussion that doesn’t include them in the middle.

Reasonable, affordable health care could be available if it was a free market.

Small Fry
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5 years ago
Reply to  Silverlining

Ullr… Because the “corporations” will take such good care of us right? Is that why we are seeing Nursing home closures all over the US? And $650 epipens.. Because Free market Elder care has been sooo successful… And don’t say I didn’t tell you so when the corporations start repoing kidneys, and livers…. and jacking unpaid heart transplants…
Lawyers would be trying to sue in ‘A free market sinario as well’..

SiverL.. I am a little confused to whom you are replying as well.. but, in my book Socialism is not Communism. And not all Democrats are Socialist..
But, I believe what I am hearing from your comment is that ‘Capitalism can also have broder definitions’ and incompass different aspects..

Ullr.. A free market has not yet produced reasonable affordable healthcare, despite being given many many chances…

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

My assertion is that Healthcare has not been a free market in many generations. .. same with any of the other major industries. They are run by insurance companies and corporations who both exist as legal fictions by government contract. I definitely have a problem with corporations having legal personage.

shak
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shak
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

They are being paid a living wage.
The quote unquote socialist politicians keep raising the costs of living.
It’s not the wage that is the problem, it’s the rising costs that are in direct result of the billionaire politicians in charge.
Left-right isn’t a thing. It’s padded wallets v empty wallets.
The political persuasion is to give the padded wallets even more so they can do even better. That’s like giving an alcoholic a few more beers to reduce his beer belly and alleviate his cravings at the same time.
Only the addict can cure the addict. Self responsibility. Self sufficiency. Self accountability.
I find it hysterical how the argument against the individual sides with the argument for the National Socialists Workers agenda.
“We demand that the (insert country here) people have rights equal to those of other nations;”
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We the people demand the right to be a free & sovereign country by limiting the govts that otherwise oppress under the pretense of ‘global’ equality.

adding: Following the political temperature, it’s easy to literally see for ourselves how the CEO’s and others (like bloggers) are being blackmailed, threatened, framed, if they maintain their capitalism ideals, instead of creating more despair so the workers demand more govt control.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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This question of legal plunder must be settled once and for all, and there are only three ways to settle it:

1. The few plunder the many.
2. Everybody plunders everybody.
3. Nobody plunders anybody.

We must make our choice among limited plunder, universal plunder, and no plunder. The law can follow only one of these three.

Can we just skip the boogy-man pretend external authority and get on with life? If we can’t self-govern then why are we here?

shak
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shak
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Yes, you’re right, the boogy-man external authority is pretend, to those who are awake.

Need to awaken your bro?
Ask them this:
If America is a race, then why don’t we all look alike?
Why do people have to pledge an oath to the American Constitution that secures the individual rights of all?
Why are other forms of ‘govt’ considered traitorous?

What were some of the demands of a racist regime that we should always keep in mind and be wary of? For instance compare HItler with America:
Hitler: “Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.”
America “Only those who respect our Constitution can become citizens. Only those who have Liberty in their veins, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence, no other form of Govt can be a countryman or official.”

If that needs breaking down even more, then I suggest grabbing a children’s book that explains the American ideals of liberty for all. Tom Wood has a series, KrisAnne Hall has a helpful book. We’ve all been so dumbed down by the insurgent ‘national education system’ that there’s no shame in starting from an easier level. Start where it makes sense for you.

Bye bye external boogy-man.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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“Why do people have to pledge an oath to the American Constitution that secures the individual rights of all?” Officials take the Oath, the Constitution applies to them, not us. It’s up to We, the People to hold them accountable.

The ‘other form’ of traitorous gov’t’ is democracy -that we’ve bombed the hell out of other countries in the name of. Democracy is suicidal. Foreign wars – “We did not raise armies for conquest or glory.” Jefferson

Why do i think Hitler was a Jew? Granddaddy Bush financed Hitler and was hauled into court and convicted for it. IBM started there too- listing names and counting and recording the victims.

Yes, we’ve been dumbed down thru the public fool system for too many decades.

Small Fry
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5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Central, A limited mind frame generates limited choices. But I agree, we must hold ‘the leadership’ accountabile to thier oaths. And hey, maybe the ‘public education’ system is far from perfect.. But in many other counties around the world people pay extremely high prices to send thier kids to even worse schools, and many go without education at all.. so.. Give thanks if you can read and write, it may seem like a small undertaking to you, but many peoples all over word over still do not have access to that opportunity… So thank you Socially funded education..

Small Fry
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5 years ago
Reply to  shak

Shak…In this day and age.. The people at the very bottom are not being paid a living wage.. And people want to blame the people on the bottom for the rising costs.. but when you ave a CEO making as much in a DAY that thier lowest employee makes in a year (maybe).. who is causing the inflation?? “A living wage isn’t a gift, it’s a right. Workers are often paid far less than the value they create,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
And here it is w/o government intervention, there would still be slavery… It’s all well and good to think that humans can exists without regulatory bodies.. and maybe some of us can.. but I am not talking about people here.. I am talking about “groups of people” claiming “person hood”. So what your saying is that workers should not have rights and protections? And who does that benefit?? Who does that enrich? CEO’s “Blackmailed”? ..or encouraged to pay people fairly, and treat human beings with dignity…
“Ben is a person; Jerry is a person; Ben and Jerry’s is not a person!” Bernie…

shak
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5 years ago
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Small Fry, who made Ben & Jerry’s a person? Hint: it wasn’t we the people.
INflation is a TAX put on the people to pay the interest on the fake money loaned to the Govt by the fake ‘federal’ reserves bank.
Everyone knows this. It’s nothing new. The only thing ‘new’ to this regurgitated mess, are the ‘characters’ to the story.
Topple the costs and the reasons for the costs in order to achieve affordable living. Simple as that.
Let the costs and the reasons for the costs keep increasing and there will never ever be affordable living.
Remember what the politician said after a large tax cut? She campaigned to raise gas taxes because the people had too much pocket change.
That’s the nut in the shell. Greed is insatiable to those afflicted with greed.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Oh sure.. Let the Rich get away with hidden accounts in the Cayman Islands, and exploit loopholes holes to hide thier massive excessive wealth.. Why do you think this “inflation tax” is so high? Because the elite pay none…while thier workers rely on public assistance, And the elite cry about how they have to pay thier workers a fair wage for thier labor.. the Rich elite 1% now on HALF of the worlds wealth!. HALF.. 1% of the population!
But the smaller people are the “root of Inflation”… That is just nonsense, and an excuse for the rich to get richer on the backs of the people. Raising the minimum means more people have more access to expendable incomes, which means economic growth, hoarding incomes to only be accessed by the rich elite or a small group of people does very little for Economic expansion, as we have been seeing here in the triangle. Trickle down economics is a sick and cruel joke, and economically discriminates against communities of color, and smaller communities, or any one the elite deem fit to economically target. The smaller people being economically targeted and asking for a living wage, and safe working conditions are not being “greedy”…
A better educated, healthier, happier population is a benefit to all. The world is not flat.. it’s round, and in the future, These days of excessive student and medical debt, wage disparity, in accessible health care, are the next chapter of human sufferage.. and it’s Time for a better world… Universal Healthcare! Finally!
And ps.. if there isn’t a right/left side of “political spectrum” then There really isn’t a “Capitalist/Socialist” spectrum either.. Same concept, these words are meant to seed division. America has essentially both of the same aspects.. As Americans, we can be a socially responsible nation and still maintain a strong bill of rights and individual freedom.. one does not have to negate the other..

shak
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shak
5 years ago
Reply to  shak

LOL, the elite pay none, so we need to tax them even more so they hide even more in the Cayman’s.
As far as the rest of your blurt, it’s so twisted it rivals that Brian poser.

Let me dumb this down for you a notch more.
The INFLATION is a TAX.
The TAX goes against the interest on the loans the GOVT received from the phony bank.
The Costs are handed down to the people.
The people pay higher costs for goods because of the inflation that is actually a dam tax on a dam loan that will never ever get paid back.
The govt keeps wanting to add to that never ending cycle. For instance,
The green deal wants to add another $700,000.00 debt per household to it.

Giving all your money to GOVT and to phony Inflation is N O T socially responsible by any stretch of the word. It’s slavery.

Freeing the slave is FREEDOM.

Oh hey, this might be a bit of good news. https://www.icij.org/investigations/world-bank/world-banks-legal-immunity-stripped-opening-door-for-lawsuits/

Small Fry
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5 years ago
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What ever.. The wealth elite are pretty much immune to this “Inflation tax” They have lots of “inflation proof” investments to protect them.. A $10 loaf of bread.. is very high to most people, the wealthy Elite can afford a $10 loaf without much worry.. that’s the difference.. There is a HUGE difference between your stocks possibly deflating, and just barely enough to put food on the table, and essentially living “hand to mouth”, huge.. There are many factors that can affect inflation.. but wealth hoarding is also certainly one of them…Both inflation and taxes tend to have the same result.. reducing your spending power. I cannot dumb this down any further for you shak.. but I will repeat, and I am sure you are aware. 1% of the worlds elite own HALF of the worlds wealth.. 1%..Half..
As far as your numbers on the GND, I do not believe you are correct.. THE GREEN NEW DEAL, Is an a much needed brave attempt to DECABONIZE the fossil fueled economy, by investing in and supercharging renewable energies.. while also super charging the economy, with a ‘guareenteed living wage job’. It is not the first proposal at the attempt. And it mostly hinges on taxation of the super elite, 70% over $10,000,000. And actually the GND would be an awesome way of soaking up most of that ‘hidden inflation tax’ that actually ends up in the governments pockets, for something positive, and empowering, instead of draining and depressing.
And as far as hiding any further in the “Caymans” that is exactly what this deal would prevent. Who else is actually doing anything abut this?
Hey, I am not for super high taxes either, especially for the middle class and working class poor… but wouldn’t be much better if The US started investing in renewable resources, an affordable healthcare, and better paying jobs, rather then endlessly investing in wars, and pipelines?
I will admit, I am fairly Leary of the Democratic leadership these days, and especially with how they have abused many of the smaller farmers here in the North.. And Certainly disappoined with the direction of local leadership, for certain, but for me, I also try to hang on to MY higher ideals of a better more prosperous and healthy planet for all.. Appologize Kym for writing a small novel on your blog.. lol.. but, it can be difficult to explain all this with a few certain Buzz words..

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  shak

Small fry,

Your wasting your time.

Shak does not ever admit wrongs.

I’ve busted Shak and HumCo too many times with false claims for them to be deemed halfway credible.

shak
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shak
5 years ago
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SF @ 11:31,
You come so close to jumping out of the propaganda bias you’re stuck in, only to jump right back into that ‘comfort zone’. This is why your arguments are circular and not logically cohesive. You know yourself that something is off don’t you. It’s up to you to step away from that circle and find the weak spot.
The 1% owns more than half, true.
Who is the 1%?
What is a Trust?
What is an Anti-Trust?
What-who does the Anti-Trust protect?
Who is on the committee of the Anti-Trust?
What is their background?
Why is this relevant?

Who said that the elite are affected economically by the hidden tax?
You did. I didn’t.
The true elite cause it.
Not every rich person is an elite.

The people are affected by the hidden tax, yes. This is because the elite pass the costs on to the people. You yourself a l m o s t spit it out before recoiling back into your comfort zone. Instead, you chose to twist your thread back into the comfort zone by chasing the elite with money in the Cayman’s who never pay taxes hidden or open. You were so close to breaking through.

I pointed out a weak spot in your argument. There’s no since continuing from there until you’ve tackled that spot, or the circular will never end.

Break on through to the other side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYO1PjxRtt4

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  shak

Shak,

Hitler was nothing of anything near anywhere of a liberal.

https://kymkemp.com/2019/02/27/huffman-and-wood-heard-from-humboldt-and-talked-about-governor-newsom-sending-the-national-guard-north-to-go-after-illegal-cannabis-farms/#comment-785080

You could read Mein Kampf or you can research on the internet.

He was a Conservative who vowed to end Marxism in Germany before his rise to power.

Your right, there was rhetoric and lies, hence the term “national socialists”.

Like “MAGA”! Nothing but bullshit.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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Furthermore, the comparison deepens and may sting you when you consider the fact that neither Hitler or Trump would have risen to power without uneducated white men blindly following.

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Nor would democracy exist except that white men educated themselves from the time of the ancient Greeks onward. The very word is Greek. None of the other ancient civilizations created this idea. The very systems that tolerate the ranting of the delusional as offering a check on abuse of power is a white man’s invention. And a PITA it turns out to be.

Of all the ideas that can be said, the idea that two white men, specifically selected at random to make an impossible point, could not have gained power if everyone were as wise as you may be the most unbalanced.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Hey, did I make a claim about the history of Anglo-democratic society?

Or Did Shak, and most others, incorrectly claim one of the most horrible tyrants in contemporary a
history was a socialist and or liberal?

And did I not correct it?

And there are absolute comparisons in the backing by uneducated whites.

Don’t worry, I would rather have educated blacks too. It’s not like I can’t see all sides, it’s just that this is a comment, not an essay.

Your obviously offended by anything that might carry a general offense to whites, but sometimes we have to speak generally.

I know your angry that I think it’s obvious Trump is a racist, but why not cool your jets with this: Farrakhan is a racist too.

Now, please, if you have something to add to help clarify the lost souls like Shak and HumCo, that would be appreciated.

Otherwise, your really not debating or conversing with my discussion. I’ll leave complaining alone.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Actually, Representative Democracy was created first by Indigenous American tribes.. And actually the Greeks were ingenious. They were the first to discover the world was round.. ( not Columbus), that the earth rotated around the sun, they invented the Pythagorean theorem, built the first library, excelled at mathematics and sciences, .. ect…The were not perfect, by far.. but who is🤷🏻‍♀️…
http://www.pbs.org/native-america/blogs/native-voices/how-the-iroquois-great-law-of-peace-shaped-us-democracy/

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Didn’t the Iroquois pay reparations to those who they displaced in war? Take down statues of historical figures in protest?

BTW this comment is not a criticism of the Iroquois confederacy, who did not even exist as an entity when the ancient Greek city state was developing in around 1200BC, but as a criticism of a statement so determined to insert political correctness that not a single fact was offered or checked to support the opening allegation.

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Pythagoras came up with the pythagorean theorem (amongst other things). It’s quite broad to credit that to all of Greece.

Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth while in Egypt… accurately within 15%. Considering Columbus was off by 50% (he thought he was in India afterall) Eratosthenes’s calculation was quite the achievement.

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Rover..I know Pythagoras came up with Pythagorean theory among others (obviously). But he was no doubt Greek. And it was another awesome contribution still in place today by the Greeks. Eratosthenes calculations where no doubtly awesome as well…

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Small Fry- I had no doubt you knew Pythagoras, but it seemed like crediting the Greeks for his theorem is like crediting the Germans for both Special and General Relativity.

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Like most successful demagogues, Hitler was a failed socialist. His socialism was being ignored. He thought the powers controlling the current government were at fault in everything bad and gradually came to believe that he and only he knew what was best. And became aware that the only way to impose his views on the people was to take control and force them using government power. If it sounds familiar, it’s the inevitable result of all socialism fanatics no matter where they start. It all stems for their belief that everyone who disagrees with them is either a fool or immoral and frequently both and it’s his job to force them into a better way. Sound familiar?

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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This is false.

Hitler was not a socialist.

His stated goals were to end communism in Germany.

The term National Socialist was bullshit propaganda, like MAGA.

Literally nothing about Hitler implies Socialism other than the party name, which as we’ve all seen by all parties, means nothing.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
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~oh, Guest. You should know better by now . . . you’re taking the bait -lol

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

No, apparently not.

Guest likes to ignore your neo-nazi videos and then try to claim falsely that Hitler was a socialist.

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

What I said was Hitler started as a socialist. As do many if not most of the most violent fanatics in the last 300 years. It comes from being so obsessed with their own righteousness and the desire to make everyone else agree to it. As I said, when socialist politics proves not to give them the ascendancy of their every pronouncement, they then seek to use the government to make them. Most remain socialists in theory, some don’t but it’s the very idea of socialism as a moral imperative that has created the worst brutality of the last 200 years. The idea that people can and should be coerced into an unnatural society by government is what inevitably leads to the extermination of people seen as a roadblock.

Posting insults, distortion, abuse and invective is just the little man level of the process that created Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Maduro and a host of smaller tyrants just as the idea created Hitler. For every military conqueror that tries his hand at government through abuse, there are a hundred thousand socialists convinced their brand of brutality is morally superior though it looks exactly the same.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
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And yet he was not.

Yet you still think he was, as the basis for your whole retort.

*Here is something elsed you just said:

“as a criticism of a statement so determined to insert political correctness that not a single fact was offered or checked to support the opening allegation.” – Guest.

https://kymkemp.com/2019/02/27/huffman-and-wood-heard-from-humboldt-and-talked-about-governor-newsom-sending-the-national-guard-north-to-go-after-illegal-cannabis-farms/#comment-788434

“Our Socialism is National” – Hitler 1923

“We shall take socialism from the socialists” – Hitler 1923

Kym Kemp
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5 years ago
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Wouldn’t the same be true of fanatics of all the different stripes?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Apparently drug cartels run a similar economic program in enclaves in Central South America. They build schools, churches, homes, provide food, etc. And, as long as the money flows it is in their interest to keep the plebs content and they have a stronghold to set up shop. Certainly the locals would not want to upset the balance if they are reasonably (curve based) comfortable. But this is not some sort of political ideal; it is economic strategy. With an economy with a positive cash flow and small, efficient government it can work. On a national scale it will fail. It requires too much micro control of the plebs (read as too big bureacracies which lead to inefficiencies of the bleeding of capital) and too much capital to sustain itself.

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yes. But socialists pompously think their variety of tyranny will work out better. But that’s only because they simply say that it was not real socialism once it inevitably gets corrupted. As if there was any way that that was not going to happe

Small Fry
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Small Fry
5 years ago
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Hitler 🤮was not a Socialist and not a liberal.. that is completely false facts.. Some of Hitlers 🤢first victims were socialists.. Hitler 🤢just used that Name to entice people.. Hitler was definitely a capitalist in every sense of the word.. but Hitler 🤮wasn’t really into defining his economic system, his real adgenda was obviously Supremecy.. that was the only ‘economic system’ that concerned him… Gees.. How does this relate to the OP. Isn’t this more than slightly off topic and false narratives? Crazy. Universal Healthcare isn’t going to lead to the rising of Third Reich🤮 either.. geez That is complete nonsense…

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

Nazi germany was definitely trying to establish a socialist economy. Liberal vs conservative is a false dichotomy, so, to address that is pointless.

“The long-term objective of the Nazis is to dovetail the industries of conquered countries into the Germany economy, and force them, as much as possible, to expand their agriculture. Under this scheme Germany, and perhaps Italy, would act as the industrial centers of Europe, drawing foodstuffs and raw materials from the occupied territories which, in turn, would be obliged to purchase German and Italian manufactured goods at prices set by the Axis powers.”

Vera Micheles Dean, “Europe Under Nazi Rule,” Foreign Policy Reports, October 15, 1940, p. 180.

https://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1940110100

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Hitler was by all means an antisemitic Conservative Nationalist dead set against Communism.

He was inspired by fascist Mussolini.

Really. It’s all available information.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Your argument only holds water if you cling to a left/right paradigm. Yes they were fascists, but Germany also wanted to run a cotrolled economy (as stated in the quote above via 1940 on the subject) which is socialism.

The government offering social programs and social safeguards is not socialism, but having the government run part of the economic sector is socialism while using private industry to force people to buy social programs is fascism. There is a fine, and usually indistinguishable, line between fascist and socialist economies. This has nothing to to do with the linear political spectrum.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The discussion is generally in a left right paradigm .

It’s general.

But your quote adds to why he *(or Nazi Germany) was a Nationalist movement, not a socialist.

He wanted a strong Germany sans Jews and communists, and more.

To say he was an anti-communist National Conservative is not left or right, it’s very specific.

It’s also what all his own writings detail.

Rat
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Rat
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

You should move to the bay😂😂😂😂😂

shak
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shak
5 years ago
Reply to  Rat

Who wears the leash? The politician or the people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9R30Hhpv5A

Even hollywood goes out of state to make their movies, because they can’t afford the Calif taxes. If those rich, fancy, spoiled brats can’t afford to live and work in Calif, there’s no hope for anyone else.

Progressives are perverts
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Progressives are perverts
5 years ago
Reply to  shak

Fantasy is what Hollywood actors offer. Their politics are no different.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
5 years ago
Reply to  Small Fry

The problem with socialism is that it is usually not born out of want to give to and aid the poor, moreover, it is born out of hatred from the general populace towards the rich and wanting to over-tax them because they are financially much better off than the rest of the country. Most socialists are just as much into capitalism as capitalists, maybe even more so

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago

Kelley,

First paragraph, it’s not a typo, but you may mean “…amendment to the United State[s ] Constitution”, not “State”.

Big Bang
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5 years ago

Yeah, we need an eighty year old millionaire curmudgeon hypocrite liar in the white house, like we need the current Cheeto-in Charge! Or the last 20 or so lying scumbags before him…

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5 years ago
Reply to  Big Bang

Yes. We did need him. Unfortunately he is the back fire against the devastating wild fires of ranting liberal liars who tried to remake humanity into servants for themeselves in the stupidest agenda ever dreamed up- neither wise nor possible. What people who insist on using only insult as a political weapon hate most about him- the thing that drives them over the edge- is that he is just as nasty as they are. And the idea that their own precious selves are to be treated as badly as they treat other causes their hysteria. If the mob were less outrageous, Trump would never have been elected.

Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
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Conservatism Is Corruption 🐘💰👈🏼
5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Trump is going to be Impeached. ⚖️

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

~once the governments interfere in the market, the use of the market goes from capitalist to socialist, once you have a socialist market, how can the rules of capitalism have any level of accurate prediction, with respect to pricing or outcomes, would you not have to shift to rules of socialism to get results?

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

~i just want to redact my 6:15 am comment of “A-one”. Not fully awake then.

” . . . never forget that Capitalism thrives off of taking advantage of people all across the globe, and exploiting it’s resources” – Small Fry.

https://mises.org/wire/power-misess-anti-capitalistic-mentality

https://mises.org/wire/propaganda-war-against-capitalism

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

~one more. There’s a link on the site for a free download

Liberty and Property
https://mises.org/library/liberty-and-property

Big Bang
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5 years ago

Point well taken, and yes, the reason we have who we settled for, is the D machine couldn’t come up with anything better than Shrillary, or the curmudgeon. My point is, when someone offers me a shit sandwich, I just have to tell ’em “I don’t eat shit, but thanks…”
If Oprah, or Snoopy ran in 2020, they would probably win. People have turned into smart phone zombies, and I fear our country is truly fucked.

Brian
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5 years ago

….here.

I like your illustration, firstly.

But, again, I think you’re totally veering away from the discussion. Now CNN and MSNBC are involved.

Here are Hitler’s words from a 1923 interview with George Sylvester Viereck:

“Why,” I asked Hitler, “do you call yourself a National Socialist, since your party programme is the very antithesis of that commonly accredited to socialism?” – George Viereck

“I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.” -Hitler

“When I take charge of Germany, I shall end tribute abroad and Bolshevism at home.” – Hitler

Our socialism is national. – Hitler

I could show you a picture of my own Mein Kampf, and quotes from it, but why? It’s all available readily!

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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Not msnbc, MSM (main stream media). I referenced it because they are often the source of popular definitions of things. And, in the case of politics, over-simplify those definitions.

The NAZI party pushed a state run economy. That is socialism.

“The Original National Socialist Program

Economic planks of the “unalterable program” on the basis of which the National Socialists campaigned before they came to power in 1933 were designed to win the support of as many disgruntled voters as possible rather than to present a coordinated plan for a new economic system. Within the party there has always been, and there still is, serious disagreement about the extent to which the “socialist” part of the party’s title is to be applied. Mein Kampf contains no clear blueprint for thoroughgoing reorganization of the German national economy. Many of the specific planks in the party platform were radical, but they were directed against particular capitalist institutions which were unpopular, not against capitalism in general. The most important of these planks were:

We demand land and soil (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population. …

We demand that the state shall make it its first duty to promote the industry and livelihood of citizens of the state. …

We demand therefore: Abolition of incomes unearned by work. In view of the enormous sacrifice of life and property demanded of a nation by every war, personal enrichment due to war must be regarded as a crime against the state. We demand therefore ruthless confiscation of all war gains.

We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts). We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

We demand extensive development of provisions for old age.

We demand creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, immediate communalization of department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and extreme consideration for all small purveyors to the state, district authorities, and smaller localities.

We demand land reform suitable to our national requirements; passing of a law for confiscation without compensation of land for common purposes; abolition of interest on land loans, and prevention of all speculation in land.

We demand a ruthless struggle against those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals against the nation, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

The planks calling for expropriation have been least honored in the fulfillment of this platform; in practice, the economic reorganizations undertaken by the Nazis have followed a very different pattern from the one which was originally projected.”

https://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1940110100

Brian
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr, there should be no confusion. Hitler was not a socialist. He was anti-left!

Your reply really has nothing on Hitler’s own words that I gave you.

But here’s more, and likely the last from me to you on this:

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Perhaps the German Workers Party – the party of around 100 members led by Anton Drexler that preceded the Nazi Party (NSDAP) – might have sought to cobble authoritarian anti-capitalism (which is not the same as socialism) onto biological racism. The early, pre-Nazi party that Hitler joined toyed with forms of market control to benefit small businesses and to halt ostensible “foreign” – that is, Jewish – control over markets. But such dalliances would not last long. Yes, Mussolini had been a socialist early during the First World War, but broke with his comrades to support Italian expansionism, and then formed his fascist party to crush them. As in fascist Italy, Nazi ideas were self-consciously formulated to negate those of the left, not to imitate them. When Hitler took over the party in 1921, he shredded the anti-capitalist parts of the old party’s platform.

Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party – particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The “socialism” in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, but they refused to take the bait. The vast majority voted for the Communist or Social Democratic parties.

For their part, businesses welcomed the Nazis’ promises to suppress the left. On 20 February 1933, Hitler and Goering met with a large group of industrialists when Hitler declared that democracy and business were incompatible and that the workers needed to be dragged away from socialism. He promised bold action to protect their businesses and property from communism. The industrialists – including leading figures from I.G. Farben, Hoesch, Krupp, Siemens, Allianz and other senior mining and manufacturing groups – then contributed more than two million Reichsmarks to the Nazi election fund, with Goering tellingly suggesting that this would probably be the last election for a hundred years. Business leadership happily jettisoned democracy to rid Germany of socialism and to smash organised labour.

After fighting four elections between 1930 and 1933 on an anti-left and anti-Jewish platform that pledged to slay the mythical beast of “Judeo-Bolshevism,” Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 and made good on his promises to business and his voters to destroy socialism in Germany. Most of 1933 was spent persecuting socialists and communists, liquidating their parties, incarcerating and in numerous cases killing their leadership and rank-and-file members.

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

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From this thread:

Larry: “Hitler started…as a.. liberal”

Ullr: 1)“He was a socialist for those that he felt were worthy.”
2)“The Nazi party fits this definition.(of socialism)”
3)“Nazi germany was definitely trying to establish a socialist economy. “

Shak: “Somebody else, about 50 years ago or so, called his ideal the National Socialist’s Worker’s Party. His was German, not American like Bernie’s”

Guest:
Hitler was a failed socialist

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Hitler’s words:

“I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.” –Hitler

“When I take charge of Germany, I shall end tribute abroad and Bolshevism at home.” – Hitler

“Our socialism is national.” – Hitler

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“At what point are We the People going to take responsibility for ourselves?” – a smart enough commentor on this thread.

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Hitler and the socialist dream
He declared that ‘national socialism was based on Marx’ Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

“It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone’s disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan “Crusade against Marxism” as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. “I have learned a great deal from Marxism” he once remarked, “as I do not hesitate to admit”. He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that “they had never even read Marx”, implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been “a private Russian affair”, whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas “I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun”, adding revealingly that “the whole of National Socialism” was based on Marx.

Brian
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

About that author, George Watson:

Watson contributed to Encounter, a cold-war intellectual journal, and published material arguing that Hitler was a Marxist and that socialism promoted genocide.[10] He was featured in the conservative documentary The Soviet Story in 2008, where he argued that Karl Marx was responsible for coming up with the idea of genocide.[11] For this he was criticised by Ivars Ījabs[12] and Robert Grant[13] who argue that Watson’s views are based on mistranslation and distortion reflecting his ideological bias. The translation of Völkerabfälle as “racial trash” lay at the centre of this,[11] with defenders of Marx and Engels saying that a proper translation would be “residual fragments of peoples”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Watson_(scholar)

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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That dick, Nixon, and our own Hair Hitler Chump trump, prove that evil scumbags are just as likely to be Conservative right wing bass turds.

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

“The line between fascism and Fabian socialism is very thin. Fabian socialism is the dream. Fascism is Fabian socialism plus the inevitable dictator.” John T. Flynn

“Nazis despised Marxists not over ideology, but because they had betrayed Germany in World War I and Nazis found it unconscionable that German communists yielded fealty to Slavs in Moscow.

The National Socialist German Workers Party staged elaborate marches with uniformed workers calling one another “comrade” while toting tools the way soldiers shoulder rifles. The bright red Nazi flag symbolized socialism in a “classless, casteless” Germany (white represents Aryanism). Fascist central planning was not egalitarian, but it divvied up economic rewards very similarly to communism: party membership and partnering with the state.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2011/09/01/obama-hitler-and-exploding-the-biggest-lie-in-history/#590aacd947a6

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5 years ago

It is not the world that is absurd, nor human thought: the absurd arises when the human need to understand meets the unreasonableness of the world, when the “appetite for the absolute and for unity” meets “the impossibility of reducing this world to a rational and reasonable principle.”

Albert Camus

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Goober

~nice.

W
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W
5 years ago

Do they not know they are breaking the law? I doubt it.
Jim Wood not to knowing what the Governor is going to do in his own backyard is ridiculous, and I bet it’s another lie from him.
If your going to lie to a little girl you’ll do anything!

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  W

Unfortunately it is legal if called by the governor (not by the president):

“The limitation also does not apply to the National Guard when activated by a state’s governor and operating in accordance with Title 32 of the U.S. Code (for example, National Guardsmen were used extensively by state governors during Hurricane Katrina response actions). Conversely, the limitation would apply to the National Guard when activated by the President and operating in accordance with Title 10 of the U.S. Code.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_32_of_the_United_States_Code

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

LEGAL OR LAWFUL?

It is crucial to define the difference between “legal” and “lawful.” The generic Constitution references genuine law. The present civil authorities and their courts use the word “legal.” The following is from A Dictionary of Law (1893):

Lawful. In accordance with the law of the land; according to the law; permitted, sanctioned, or justified by law. “Lawful” properly implies a thing conformable to or enjoined by law.

Legal. Latin legalis. Pertaining to the understanding, the exposition, the administration, the science and the “practice” of law: as the legal profession, legal advice; legal blanks, newspaper. “Legal” looks more to the ‘letter of the law’ [form]. And “lawful” to the spirit of the law. “Legal” is that the proceeding is correct in method, that rules prescribed have been obeyed. A writ or warrant issuing from any court, under color of law, is a “Legal” process, however defective.

Legal matters administrate, conform to, and follow rules. They are equitable in nature and are implied (presumed) rather than actual (express). A legal process can be defective in law. To be legal a matter does not have to follow the law.

Lawful matters are ethically enjoined in the law of the land – the law of the people – and are actual in nature, not implied. This is why whatever true law was upheld by the organic Constitution has no bearing or authority in the present day “Legal” courts. It is impossible for anyone in “authority” today to access, or take cognizance of, true law since “authority” is the “law of necessity.” 12 U.S.C. 95.

Therefore, it would appear that the meaning of the word “Legal” is the “color of law.”

Ullr Rover
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5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Like I said, legal.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

~yeah, ‘Legal’ -the bane of our existence.

Our Forefathers CHOSE the system of Common Law based on the Law of Moses (Ten Commandments) as the Law of the Land.

If we want to live under that system of law, we have to do the same thing. CHOOSE to live under Common Law. This is the way this country was set up and so far as I am concerned, the way it is still supposed to run. Those who don’t want to accept that are outlaws. Those who do are law abiding. Simple as that.