Accused Guinea Pig Hoarder Defends Himself in Letter to the Editor

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This letter is in response to one posted January 6 on our website by a reader concerned about what she characterized as a guinea pig hoarding situation. The man accused in her letter responds below.

Being one for testing boundaries, I must apologize to others for having spoiled it.  We’ve had a good thing going in being simply left alone.  Now, everyone must let others decide what they are to do.  In itself a reasonable proposition to the degree that it concerns others, but it depends on who does the reasoning.

Knowing Mary shifted tactics from loudly in public to quietly with officials, does not make us feel better represented.  Given her propensities, her working quietly with none the wiser cannot bode well.  Sure enough, she has obliged the city to change laws pointed at us in every way but admittedly.  Times Standard didn’t contact us until after the fact, but two sides to a story and another for facts proves more than will fit to print.  Since it is largely to satisfaction, Mary has returned to her war of perception.  It is indeed, terribly wrong to hear tell.

No one has any idea of how much constant and consistent work it has been to maintain these animals over the years, or the dedication in every aspect of our lives required to do so. Realizing it as to be taken from our hands, here is what first came to mind.

A great weight has been lifted knowing lawmakers will legislate answers to a problem in which we find no solution to appease others, given constraints of morality we hold dear.  I would not be surprised if none noted our leader of the free world making similar distinction expressing awareness of his decision being amoral separating children from families, but that he’d made a rule to the effect and was therefore right.  Some tried pointing it out with fundamental misgivings, but it was lost to the general alarm and mayhem of social media moving on to the next dog whistle of concern.  History is not the only thing that rhymes.  Society resonates in similarities transcending scale and reflects it’s values in larger pictures right down to us.  Now, it has attracted attention sufficiently that it is no longer a matter of discretion.  We have been made indiscreet.  This freedom is to be removed.  Something must be done, if only to be seen as doing something.  Others have every means to issue decisions which we only abide.

I have taken the advice to sit quiet and hope for the best.  It has taken a tone that we should just sit quiet, so I wonder if there is more value in something said.  Not for us.  We have an advocate to interpret for others on our behalf.  She seems to have dedicated much of her life to it.  Commonly, we do not much care what happens to others.  But there may be some interest in how it might happen to you.
Guinea pigs from alleged hoarder

Guinea pigs have obliged me to venture out into the community, looking for grass.  It generates interest in my human powered mower, a rare thing in this gas operated age.  I get honked at by the roadside more often of late, by those who presumably know me and what I am about by virtue of being seen doing it.  A police officer pulled up with his partner in their unmarked muscle car, asking my business.  Stating it, he volunteered the observation that I should take all I wish.  I realized why, in how it does much to reduce obscurity in their view to such as bike paths, making areas less inviting to be camped and dumped on.  It is good maintenance for urban grasslands that can be seen to improve density, appearances and extend interim before the city is obliged to raze it again.  It generates an interest personally, for community involvement by virtue of having a premise to be out in it.

There is also unequivocal benefit to private property, in our view.  Though that of others may conclude it as waste, we have marveled of late at how much in many aspects of our culture in truth and regard, need not be.  it is a vital and valuable component to the intention of what our living space entails with unique qualities that demonstrate none of the drawbacks typically assumed of similar materials from other types of animals, promising an ability to provide for our modest needs in convenience and cost effectiveness with ideal results.

Some conditions are unique to this area, and some of them to us.  Our home was built before the first world war.  It is still situated and disposed toward a better use in its’ original way that begs gardening.  While most else on the block has been turned to concrete and condominium, our patch retains original qualities in a clearly inviting disposition to be utilized.  Indeed, there is little else of practical use for it in purposes of others, being topographically incompatible with more condo and an area deserving natural protection.

We have shaped our lives around these advantages, sharing them with animals as is presently our right.  But thanks to efforts of some that go by their own beliefs, they are being changed.  Doing so for the better should be considered a delicate matter, to avoid callous precedent.  With consideration, it is not impossible, or even inconvenient.  Some aforethought easily lends itself to the duty of care.

What we would beg, is to be excused from the liars contest of misrepresentation for unclear motive.  We have grown weary waging this war of hype and drama for the sake of the poseury in righteousness.  It serves only to detract from our efforts that might otherwise easily be seen as precursor to a less wasteful and destructive manner of human habitation that remains within constraints of urban requirements and enables means to a lifestyle both healthier and more rewarding.

But okay.  The city has decided to take responsibility, for our being represented as having not.  Where does this lead in choice and action?  Do they really want or need it?  To what measure and degree?  Does it serve more than appearances?  What are they, and what is the actual effect on those involved?

It is a simple matter to resolution, I will not attempt to frighten others with horrifying effect.  Guinea pigs have no chance without protection in this world.  If they are not kept safe, errant pets and indigenous wildlife find pigs a welcome opportunity and simply make them disappear.  Some might think our witness to pain and fear in the process a proper lesson, but we cannot imagine the unimaginable when all we have done is everything to prevent it.

None are equipped or inclined to take large numbers of creatures incompatible with those they are already obliged to.  It displaces their capacity to help those truly abandoned and in need of real assistance, while providing no guarantee they find good homes.  Fortunately, animal control makes it a point to witness matters and has the wisdom to allow maintenance of tolerable situations that do not have better means to resolution in some views.  The main factor that prevents it improving for us, is the matter of perception.   Protecting them makes a drawback of their one natural advantage, which the city would resolve with legislation.  We are obliged.  Additional rules without comparable resources or alternatives may achieve only greater problems, but they will likely pale in comparison to those charged with their administration.  Some may console themselves in light of predictable events with the virtue of being right.  We continue our efforts with the thought of it as their view.

I am reminded of a chapter in the series “Dogs” on Netflix.  It relates the story of a socialist country that voted to ban unsightly animals and levy fines against owners.  None having impossible amounts of money, this had the effect of their being promptly disowned.  The resultant flood of stray animals overwhelmed the community and those attempting to rescue them were simply prosecuted in turn.  We hope those acquiring methods have wisdom to provide means accomplishing them that go further than shifting liability, but it seems typical to be satisfied assigning blame and fines.  It poses the choice between love or money.  I should wonder at peoples’ dedication to either.  But faced with losing our home to attributed cost demands sacrifice.

Guinea pigs from alleged hoarder

The effect of doing nothing has had arguable results.  We take responsibility that is not taken from us, views and motives lend description to the effects ranging from profound to negligible.  I would invite inquiry to opinion of nearby neighbors.  Solicitation receives positive assurances, if not oblivious indifference.

Without the virtue of patience, our venture can only be seen as impossibly underpowered.  I have set myself up with a great deal of work that some may doubt the ability to be accomplished.  Given the efforts of others, I have my own.  But I believe in it.  I believe in myself, in our family and in guinea pigs.  We have done the right thing.  But certainty is no match for rules.

Given the views of individuals that have invested themselves emotionally into our situation, they are unlikely to find satisfaction until we are actively punished and the persistence of laws serve purpose to threaten as means they may wield.  I am not sure most wish any armed with such against others.  It makes arbitration a much larger task.  I would encourage wiser heads to find their own view.  It should involve those of others in their feeling that something has been done, ours that there is something to be done, and those of authority that they are seen as doing what is right for a community that maintains tolerance and fairness for differences in view.

There is more to it than harm, there is the potential for it.  But if the number delegated is to be less than arbitrary and seeks prevention, nature dictates that it must be less than two.  Otherwise, some choice involving trust in the local citizenry need be given merit.  My endorsement would go toward examining effects, before the number.  There is no end to micro management in such a widely varied category as animals and the result is far more significant than its’ numerical representation, if it is accepted with better criteria than hearsay at face value absent of witness.

Accommodating creatures has met with success for us.  Some people, not so much.  We receive thanks for our efforts through the simple happiness and harmony at hand and though none are obliged, some indication would be welcome in a view that takes something of ours into account.  We sit in fear that an impossible situation will be made, and the fatalism of knowing there is nothing within our means to be done that we are not already.  Animals do not have the rights we do, so we seek to use ours defending them from even the well meaning.  Without that we can only join them, becoming victims of consequence beyond our power to prevent.

We could invite some perspective relative to other things about the community, but hesitate to point about for it being viewed as an attempt to obfuscate matters.  Suffice to say, compared to the disruptive and unfortunate behavior that includes dumping and bodies found in our area of late, guinea pigs are one of the more pleasant things to occur over our thirty five years of residence at this locale.  Those that aren’t told don’t know of it, and carry on as they will.

It is a simple task to acquire a bottle of CO2 with a tube and bucket to render them in suitable state to be vacuum sealed in plastic and frozen for distribution to pet owners with reptiles and carrion beetles.  Were any to account for their preference, guinea pigs would easily prefer we not.  A more charitable view might conclude there is little to be done that improves present or potential scenarios significantly for any,  but the nominal effort to ensure trust as well placed in seeing the right thing done and await the logical conclusion of natural lives. We hope for consideration of the difference made for any in either way.

When what is done is allowed more weight than what is said, kindness can make all the difference to those whom it truly matters.  It just doesn’t get nearly the attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euGIen6aVJU&t=390s

Richard Furman

Earlier Chapter: Hundreds of Guinea Pigs Being Hoarded Alleges Letter Writer

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Liz
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Liz
5 years ago

Did anyone read the whole thing?

Willie Caso-Mayhem
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5 years ago
Reply to  Liz

I did,it was a good morning read Kelley.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Liz

I read enough to give thumbs up to the private personal property owners. Outstanding Letter to the Editor!

The more corrupt the State, the more so-called laws from the local Executive branch.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

So you find any form of animal torture acceptable on private property, or it there a limit? How about killing endangered species? Dumping toxic chemicals?

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

~don’t be silly. We’re living thru the times of straight-up tyranny.
The Executive branch does not make laws – the Legislative branch does – that is the point i meant to get across.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

That was exactly my sentiment to you. Guess you are not seeing your own sillyness here.

Willie caos- mayhem
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5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

So you believe in tryanny? Because that’s what we have under the present “not my potus”.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago

Give an example. As far as I know we still have a triumvirate with the Judicial, Legislative and Executive branches running the federal government.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr,

“He is a tyrant” might be more appropriate.

Close to a month long shutdown for his ego.

It’s not about border security. Dems vote for that. Dems funded wall portions.

Yesterday you tried to apply a “it’s ok” attitude because the “government is too big”.

But that doesn’t really apply. The shut down has no effect on, and will have no bearing on the size of the Govt.

It literally is about a ego-tyrants false promises of a wall that Mexico is, no was, no, isn’t going to pay for.

Not to mention his cozying up to other tyrants, while bashing our free press and allies of the world.

What say you?

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

An the power of words. “Close to a month long shutdown for his ego” or a month long shut down to force Congress to act on the mess they have made of immigration? Of course Trump’s ego is involved in his agenda- what else is ever involved in actualizing an agenda, any agenda. People are invested in it.

Why persist in condemning personalities rather than actions? Is it that going beyond insults and labeling might mean seeing that it’s complex and uncertain?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

None of that is tyrannical. He’s exercising power given to the office by the Constitution and Congress.

As for the shutdown itself, I don’t think it will do anything to shrink government, but it will show many people that the world keeps turning even without the behemoth that is the federal government.

And Trump never bashed the free press he bashed the corporate press which is expressed through MSM.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

“None of that is tyrannical. He’s exercising power given to the office by the Constitution and Congress.”

Okay, but at what cost? Again, Dems have voted for the wall portions before. Are you saying, against most your other comments, that you like a Pres. who flexes Exec. powers just cause?

Hello, what happened to Rob Paul’s principals?

“And Trump never bashed the free press he bashed the corporate press which is expressed through MSM.”

That’s total malarkey.

It reminds me how you tried to defend his 2016 campaign comments in CA about “No Draught” while in peak draught, or when he said theres “no water” during the Carr fire that burned next to Whiskeytown lake.

It baffles me as to why you defend such ignorance and stupidity.

The “corporate media” simply reported on his crowd sizes and claims of Mexico paying for the wall, among all other things.

He’s the one making shit up!

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

The reason for defending is because of the rigidity and bias that calls everything not in agreement “ignorance and stupidity.” There is no reasoning or understanding in such hyperbole. It’s like that infamous “gotcha” question “Have you stopped beating your wife?” The allegations are framed in such terms that any answer will be wrong. The only reasoned answer to that sort of nonsense is just this- “That’s the wrong question.”

So I say to you -That is the wrong question.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Definition of “free press”:

“a body of book publishers, news media, etc., not controlled or restricted by government censorship in political or ideological matters”

One of trumps tweets:

“There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame…”

How is not bashing free press guys?

What did they get wrong without correcting?

Who actually said Mexico would pay?

Who said the crowds were bigger?

Who said he doesn’t care if the Saudi King killed Khaggoshi?

Who’s calling people Pocohantis?

Who defended the Nazi march in NC?

Who’s aides are going to jail for collusion?

The media doesn’t make it up. They report.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

“The media doesn’t make it up. They report.”

To use your logical extrapolation, you would argue that CNN, Fox, Breitbart, HuffPo have no overt or covert bias and are simply reporting?

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Of course there is bias. You must know I know that.

But what your doing evades every point I have made.

It also evades your defense of Trump bashing free press.

It also evades just some of the stuff they all have reported on, that Trump said or did, that I have relayed.

It also evades the fact the dems have paid for wall portions and border security.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian- I have not evaded anything and you have made no points.

Headline : “Politician found to be lying!” … and dogs bark. So what?

Trump can say what he wants about the press; again, it is his right. There is an infinite gulf between saying something about the press and shutting the press down.

Edit:
Here’s a pretty balanced assessment (Associated Press) of the current “wall” politicking :

https://apnews.com/1d99883921d846d1823e20b1dddf3e83

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian- Again that is the wrong question. A better definition of free press is “If a country has a free press, its newspapers, magazines, and television and radio stations are able to express any opinions they want, even if these criticize the government and other organizations”. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/free-press Yet you would silence Trump for his criticism of the press organizations if you could. The First Amendment says that the government can not restrict the freedom of the press to say what it wants. It does not say that the Government mustn’t complain about what it choses to say.

As to making it up, the press does constantly too. From the recent scandals about writers making up stuff for decades to simply publishing as fact things that turned out to be wrong. (A fun look at a selection
http://www.cracked.com/article_20048_5-big-news-stories-that-left-out-most-important-part.html)

The mainstream American press as represented online is a bunch of highly organized, self indulgent and agenda ridden corporations. They are in the opinion making business, not in the information business. Read the NBC online news site and the Fox online news site and you would never know you were reading the same story. A balance report will never make any partisans happy so, like every other human, the corporate press picks and chooses to make its own demographic happy and reading. It does not make them unhappy by reporting things they don’t want to hear.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Ullr, Are you serious?

Really.

I pointed out:

1) that Dems backed walls and border security.

2)That the shutdown is over an ego problem, not a real issue.

3)Flexing executive power just cause Trump can is your “ok” to the shutdown, at least during the Trump shutdown. I’m curious what I would find with your comments during Obamas.

4)The media has been bashed by the president when the media reports stories Trump doesn’t like, but are accurate

5)Trumps rhetoric doesn’t aline with his policies, many times he outright lies.

6)Media make mistakes – and retractions. The latter not being done by many here.

Then you (without admitting) confirmed a point I made by saying “bashing the press is his right, its far different than banning it”.

Well, Acosta was banned on some personal BS from Trump. But let’s not digress into more facts.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Brian, item by item:

“1) that Dems backed walls and border security.”
The budget bill funding for border security is 4.4 billion less than what Trump is requesting according to the AP story I posted above.

“2)That the shutdown is over an ego problem, not a real issue.”
Illegal immigration and border security are real problems and need to be addressed. Trump is using his power to force the hand of the Democrats. It’s politicking.

“3)Flexing executive power just cause Trump can is your “ok” to the shutdown, at least during the Trump shutdown. I’m curious what I would find with your comments during Obamas.”
Again, it’s politicking. Obama did the same thing over his pet issue: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_shutdown_of_2013

“4)The media has been bashed by the president when the media reports stories Trump doesn’t like, but are accurate”
So what?

“5)Trumps rhetoric doesn’t aline (sic) with his policies, many times he outright lies.”
Uhhhh, he’s learning to be a politician. Obama mastered this.

“6)Media make mistakes – and retractions. The latter not being done by many here.”
Give me one good example of retraction by the MSM after one of their many inflammatory “news” stories. The kids in cages story comes to mind. The pictures were taken during Obama’s reign but credited to the Trump Administration’s callous behavior towards immigrant families. The images stoked an intense outrage directed at the wrong administration. It’s an outrage fueled by those pictures that still burns today.

Edit:
‘Guest’s’ post above linked to the Cracked article is some great journalism on “journalism”….

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Ya.

I see what’s going on.

You are way more partisan than you want to think.

I’ll look for media retractions soon regarding your specific example, but for now I’m very underwhelmed by your debate answers.

*about the pictures:

Most of the other images used to illustrate the issue have come from government handout photos and videos.

Newsrooms faced a dilemma: Use the government’s pictures, or don’t have any pictures at all.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/20/media/media-press-photos-migrant-children/index.html

**And here:

At the time, some decried the pictures as left-leaning propaganda. On May 29, Donald Trump tweeted that the images predate his administration, and accused Democrat of trying “to make us look bad.” However, the newest photos released by US Customs and Border Protection show very similar conditions under the Trump administration

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/amp/

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

It’s hard to argue with simple facts.

I think you’re too caught up in “should’s and shouldn’ts” and “good vs. bad” to see clearly. Politics is framed as black and white for mass consumption, but in reality it is just shades of gray.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Ullr,

I know grey and I know facts.

One of these days, take a while to read this article I wrote 8 years ago. “Grumpy Brian” is the author name. You’ll know it’s me.

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-10-31/recently-deceased-crown-prince-sultan-and-his-son-bandar-bush-epitomize-highly-questionable-saudi-911-connecti-0

* I handled a few blogs and wrote a lot. My blogs are deleted now, but some articles were picked up by other sites. Including the site i linked you to.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

To keep on topic, perhaps we are all used as guinea pigs.

To add to your information base:

Search “PNAC” Project for a New American Century.

Here’s a very interesting interview with one of the official videographers on site:
https://www.voltairenet.org/article160636.html

And:
Jamal Khashoggi: Where The Road to Damascus & The Path to 9/11 Converge
https://washingtonsblog.com/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-where-the-road-to-damascus-the-path-to-9-11-converge.html

Over the years the “facts” have become so muddied it’s hard to cut through the plethora of information to find some real gems.

This is also a curious little factoid:
https://www.winterwatch.net/2017/09/world-trade-centers-infamous-91st-floor-israeli-art-student-project/

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

I’m confidant in what I study.

I covered The PNAC, a neo-con strategy of hegemony in my Comic book. 10,000 copies for 9/11 10th anniversary were released, and sold by major comic publisher. I hired professional artists and comic folk. Made news and that’s how I said goodbye to active interest in 9/11. (Pic below)

The Israeli art project is propaganda.

And the towers were most likely destroyed by Saudi Arabia. National Security covered for them because we could not be seen as that stupid and vulnerable.

But covering for Saudi was just as bad as the crimes themselves. So I judge them all.

Erik
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Erik
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Interesting historical chronology of “the wall”:

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/15/how-not-to-build-a-great-great-wall/

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Willie,

~we’re walking between the wor(l)ds right now. And i don’t mean to sound so glum.

“We need a lawful exodus so the “beast” will eventually die out on its own and take the debtors along with it as it is designed to do.” Commonwealth v Valence – District Judge Dale Keenhold.

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Like to employ comic book guy.

Guest
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Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

How can anyone who is so cruel to other posters simply over a verbal disagreement ever be taken seriously when they accuse others of cruelty? This man is not torturing anything. Only his judgement about the level of care he can give so many animals is in question.

Frankly there is an argument to be made that his animals, living essentially natural lives, are happier than a single or couple kept in a cage for the amusement of the children.

In a natural environment, predators, lack of food and injury would limit population stress. Undertaking limiting this natural process for the keeper’s enjoyment also means undertaking controlling the population for them and keeping them as clean as they would keep themselves if not confined. I don’t think he is being honest with himself about being able to provide this for so many animals and the burden of it is being spread to the community.

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Social animals like dolfin and if abused by kids for entertainment or teaching kids not to be cruel?in a land full of horned toads and kids would never put one in a box.except for 50 pesos for a Loco gringo to feed ants full of plankton to make them lay many more eggs.that lizard is believed to be embodiment of the diablo.this is north America not trumptilandia.

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Who owns science?church or state now?science take cash?

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

A very good point. But I’ve been accused of it often enough to examine the evidence dispassionately. In light of alternatives, it remains the best option to their preference, which seems clear.

shyn stitch
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shyn stitch
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

how do you know there is animal cruelty “torture” happening here? Do you know these people? Did you witness these guinnea pigs being tortures somehow? What are you going to do about animal testing of products? Protest? I guarantee there are more animals being tested on right now that these people have as pets, and REAL HORRIBLE tests are happening to them….fr worst than having to eat roadside grass. Get your priorities aligned

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  shyn stitch

Dear me. Roadside grass is delicious. You should see them.

the misadventures of bunjee
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the misadventures of bunjee
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Nice job on the threadjacking Humco. I see you sucessfully baited “Brian” into making a thread about guinea pig hoarding political. Any other destruction we should be aware of here and on LoCo?

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago

Bunjee, I must admit I’ve recently tackled the problem known as HumCo.

And on this particular thread I think I “started it”.

I’m hellbent on reiterating what bullshit is. Bullshit is flat earth conspiracies and lasers that start wildfires.

HumCo promotes both, and I want people to know it until he says otherwise, or stops promoting it.

Sorry for the thread. I can get into it, especially during time off work.

NoShitSherlock
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cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  NoShitSherlock

If fed well.if fed pellets they will get sick.pigs are fed kitchen swill illegally.it causes pig flu and diarrea.and crossing that idiocy with bird flu from a laguna of algae. A hog feces pond? Aflatoxin is often in feed.and these modification of microbe,The Coming Plague,will make you thimk.as you watch it,and slowly,and no painfully die.asking for forgiveness when it’s empathy that will get you into your discriminating heavens.is there a line yet for carfentanyl e-cigarettes.

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  cristal

Guinea pigs are markedly non-zoonotic. It is a unique quality that makes them compatible for human cohabitation.

the misadventures of bunjee
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the misadventures of bunjee
5 years ago
Reply to  Liz

Yeah I read it. And now I have a massive headache. I’m not certain this guy is coherent enough to manage the hoard if his letter is any indication.

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago

“horde”.

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  Liz

Not sayin’ concern isn’t easily warranted. When a girl wants some company an exponential factor of 2.75 in profligacy is easily within her reach. It makes an illusion of control with startling speed and consequence for those that find them just too damn cute to put an end to. Those with summary judgment should come over so we can put one in their hand to see if they can squeeze the life from it. They will cite it as none of their concern, but then what is? It makes for argument. One is that people are entitled to utter foolishness if it doesn’t affect other people. Bother is another matter. There is no accounting for what people have in mind, but condemnation is never well received. Prevention is excellent advice. Implementation quickly runs afoul of supposed freedoms but you won’t find many that don’t want actual assistance, if it is not harm in their view. The answer some suggest puts anyone’s protective dander up. I am impressed with the compassion, insight and practical considerations of the community at large. But there seems some threat comes with the intolerance in exceptions. The city wants peace, means and recourse for its’ citizens and themselves. But they do not have infinite resources. In this case, nature seems the only one that does. Is it a lesson? Oh, yes. But it is as much of one in humanity as nature. Human nature can be a pain in the ass.

Y Knot?
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Y Knot?
5 years ago

I didn’t read the whole thing, but I’m a Guinea Pig fan.

I’d rather have a herd of Guinea Pigs next door than a dope grower any day.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Y Knot?

Except the guinea pigs are not being properly cared for.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Surely thete is always more to be done in anything.

The little things looked healthy, but im no expert on GPs.

Could you give a hint regarding how they aren’t properly cared for?

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Just read previous articles on this story. Some include pictures.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Aye, I just went back.

The pictures frankly aren’t winning your case.

The video link above shows many, probably too many, healthy GPs.

But, again, I’m just looking for some good info, I don’t have or care to have a vested position on this subject.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

ToWell if animals covered in sores don’t win it I have to wonder what would in your mind. You don’t understand that he simply isn’t showing the sick animals in his video? If the info in the other articles is insufficient, you already have a vested position.

He had them taken away once before for improperly caring for them.

Btw too many animals in a space is enough of a problem in and of itself.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

“Btw too many animals in a space is enough of a problem in and of itself.”

I agree.

“You don’t understand that he simply isn’t showing the sick animals in his video? ”

Of course I considered this.

“animals covered in sores ”

If it’s more than 10 pigs with sores consistently than I’m with you.

Guest
Guest
Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Male guinea pigs fight. Really fight each other, drawing blood and causing injury. A photo of an injured GP means nothing without context.

It Means Something
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It Means Something
5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

It means the owner is not taking proper care to prevent his pets injuring each other I’d say…

Ernie Branscomb
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Ernie Branscomb
5 years ago

no

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago

I read your article Mr. Fuhrman.

I watched the video.

I must say, it seems your heart is large and attempts to take care of these animals are genuine.

BUT, have you ever walked down a busy New York block? I think you have just way too many cute little creatures for their own good.

I dont speak Guinea Pig, so I can’t say for sure, but they seem pretty crowded. Im happy that they look healthy though.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

The animal horders are always well intentioned. They simply have a mental health problem.

You think it is likely that a guy in his position is showing you a much better version of typical conditions? You think you’d spot illness in that video? You think the really bad looking ones may not have been fillmed? You think an anarchist leaning maybe biasing your opinion?

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

I dont know who I’m dealing with until I do.

I start with kindness.

But I’m at the point your talking about with other commentors here once kindness and facts are ignored…(hint hint, humco)

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

~ahh, the smell of brimstone in the morning.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Just the truth.

Try to stick with the good stuff and take care.

I like stars
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I like stars
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Good morning Central. How does it feel to be the object of obsession?

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Stars, we ended cordially after a good debate yesterday.

Wtf is so wrong with iterating good information and calling out the bad?

Your cozying up to the biggest liar on these threads.

Kym doesn’t even delete the accusations anymore because they are accurate.

What side you on?

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

~i don’t much care for it. Thanks for asking, I like stars.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Sounds like you’re saying that you want to give people the benefit of the doubt and not make conclusions until you have evidence. That’s fantastic.

But the neutral position is not to assume he is taking proper care of the animals until proven otherwise. Not when there are current accusations, a history of animal hording, and photographic evidence of disease. Though it sounds like we may disagree on the photographic evidence.

I dont pay attention to other commenters names. That way each interaction here is untainted. I do remember the one crazy guy that posts here a lot but I never remember his name until I see it. Something bridge chump.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Heads up, HumCo is the new Honeydew Bridge Chump.

Just less funny.

You might take note of names. (A lot of people hate mine!)

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

~ shoe box, moon pie, band aids.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Sense.
Making.
None.

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Illness manifests diet that is modified in animals interest.your barking is from your social construct,like marriage ,drugs,prostitution,amphetamine ,pretty neurotic.trump starts war to get reelected,goes global to make son president and goes to the moon.sure

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

Fortunately for us, we do. Assertions are far more easily supplied than evidence. Especially online. But there is some precedent to hope for observations before argument. Just as there is inevitably the latter.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago

Obviously the ramblings of a madman. Seems he’s trying to claim that animal hording is a matter of liberty from State rule. You could make just as good an argument for molesting children.

“I am reminded of a chapter in the series “Dogs” on Netflix. It relates the story of a socialist country that voted to ban unsightly animals and levy fines against owners.”

Well your memory isn’t serving you. The law was against keeping animals in horrible conditions, not “unsightly animals”. And Costa Rica is not socialist.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

I agree on the long winded semi-jarbled letter.

He should have a lawyer write his proclamations.

Actually, when I was reading it, I was seriously wondering if one of Kyms most frequent commentor was the writer!

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Brian

They do have a similar style.

Richard Finch
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Richard Finch
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

The only coherent comment in this entire thread (including the letter that inspired it).

Guest
Guest
Guest
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Some Chinese cities have conducted purges against pet dogs. Not poorly kept dogs but well cared for pets because some in power think too many pet dogs are a waste and a danger.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/dogs-seized-and-beaten-in-china-amid-harsh-crackdown-from-officials-on-strays-and-banned-breeds-a3992331.html

https://shanghai.ist/2018/11/16/dogs-seized-beaten-drowned-as-hangzhou-launches-harsh-crackdown-on-canines/

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Guest

The war on Nature that western civilization has been waging, is a war on our humanity.

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

A vital distinction. Your memory may serve better, but mine was specific in their citing emaciation and skin problems. Guinea pigs have skin problems. It is not fatal. Unfortunately, the good will and regard of people can be.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago

I really couldn’t care less that some idiots are terrified of the rest of us making sensible use of government. It’s either a police force, or citizens just come to your house and beat the living shit out of you for animal abuse.

I think we can all agree the former is perferble.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

” . . . sensible use of government.” Corporate governmental service providers.

And all the king’s horses and all the king’s men . . .

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Corporate? Maybe there’s something not aware of here. I’m def not in favor of corporations having a hand in any apsect of law enforcement. That includes bail bonds and private prisons. Which corporation is involved here and I’m what way?

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

The City of Fortuna incorporated in 1906. -maybe it’s a different date on the mural on the side of Ray’s Market. I’m not sure of the year since the www has been scrubbed. Corporations are fiction and therefore, unconstitutional i.e., they do not uphold land jurisdiction.

Anonymous Humboldtian
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Anonymous Humboldtian
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

You must be one of those looney sovereign citizens.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago

REPEAT for the umpteenth time for those slow on the up-take – THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SOVEREIGN CITIZEN.

A sovereign is clothed in sovereignty, gets their rights from his or her creator.

A citizen/subject gets benefit/privileges from Congress.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
5 years ago

Yup, he’s a sovsitloon.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Oh I see your talking about municipal corporations. As long as they are not organized with the overriding goal of profit and motivated by quarterly reports to share holder, I see no sane case for objection.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  hmm

“As long as they are not organized with the overriding goal of profit and motivated by quarterly reports . . .”

That defines a corporation. The ‘bottom line’ is what corporations are all about.

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

Very true.money eats us.

Al
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Al
5 years ago

The Guinea pig owner alone, leave him in peace.

Though no criticism of the Leo’s, they do a good job.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago

Everyone knows you can only have 6 guinea pigs unless you have a CFW, state waterboard, and county permit along with a note from a doctor…. the you can have 10,000.

Willie caos- mayhem
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Or a fake bone spur.

hmm
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hmm
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Or as many as they want if they are humanly housed and careed for.

Brian
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Brian
5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Frikin hilarious!

No guns either, I believe…

Anon
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Anon
5 years ago

As long as he doesn’t eat them !

Editing for brevity is so helpful ! I have patience and good reading comprehension but made it only halfway through .

Dan F
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Dan F
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon

My problem as well!!!

NoShitSherlock
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NoShitSherlock
5 years ago
Reply to  Anon
Disgusting supervisors.
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Disgusting supervisors.
5 years ago

Our branches of government becoming corporations is the end of our country and anything good it stands for,and anything good it ever stood for.its the end of the United States of America!!!!!

Anne D.
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Anne D.
5 years ago

Yup, it was obviously a heartfelt thoughtful and well written piece. Not sure I would consider it a letter, more of a manifesto. If rallying support and understanding to his
(in my opinion ,untennble)
Position or cause was the goal, he should have trimmed about 80% and dumbed it down to the average persons 10th grade reading and comprehension level i think more people would read and understand it. But it seems like he just really needed the catharsis writing it all down provided. I wish him and his furry friends And his neighbors the best…

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  Anne D.

Ouch. I get that a lot. But it’s me, it matters most to. The degree of importance has to do with the amount of bother. We are trying to make an argument for our lives.

henofthewoods
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henofthewoods
5 years ago

I can picture a stack of guinea pigs in a trenchcoat typing out this letter

Hoolawd
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Hoolawd
5 years ago
Reply to  henofthewoods

Yes — drawn by Gary Larson — so good!

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  henofthewoods

We are busted.

George
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5 years ago

This reply has a lot of defensive info about legal rights, and not much about the guinea pigs….

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
5 years ago
Reply to  George

That is the HumCo way, hijack the thread and Gish-Gallop some copypasta from InfoWars.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago
Reply to  George

The point I am attempting is that we make every point to stay within the law. If they change the goal post, their existence becomes illegal and they face consequences. Some see no reason to look further than that they’re ours.

Food for thought
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Food for thought
5 years ago

10 minnutes of my life ill never get back…

Seamus
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Seamus
5 years ago

Ah, the Guinea Pig Manifesto!

“Them’s a lot of big words, we’re naught but simple pirates”.

Hoolawd
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Hoolawd
5 years ago

Reading Furman’s piece is a slogging chore; no concessions to reader’s or medium’s need for concise brevity. He may have gotten something off of his chest but failed to deliver point of view, as most tune out quickly rather than trying to work out his dense, showy prose …

Times Standard article from a year ago:

https://www.times-standard.com/2018/01/21/eureka-man-rescue-work-to-rehome-700-guinea-pigs/amp

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Hoolawd

Write a book

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
5 years ago

Fuck this guy. He is the singular reason NONE of the animal shelters on the West Coast take guinea pigs anymore. Also he treats customer service employees poorly.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
5 years ago

Set the pigs free. The gods will take care of them.

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

They die without you just like black rat.maybe in peru.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
5 years ago
Reply to  cristal

Darwin will take care of them 😢

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

Iconoclast: One Journalist’s Odyssey through the Darwin Debates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLdZzf8HoUU&t=305s 12:51 February 22, 2017

Jaekelopterus
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Carl
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Carl
5 years ago

I miss his Craigslist adds.
“WHO WANTS GUINIE PIGS?!”

cristal
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5 years ago
Reply to  Carl

Mercado,lima,peru,pricy,tastee.

Big Bang
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5 years ago

Still carry the scars of my childhood upon the realization that my guinea pig momma’ ATE her babies, WTF?

binbearda4
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binbearda4
5 years ago

i agree with Ernie Branscomb on everyone’s reply

cristal
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5 years ago

You help many entities observe stimuli, make good fertilizer, interesting.ostrasised by humans for not owning enough space for that.i grant you 1% of my patent,provisional (meaning worldwide and no 20 year limit.process 2m by 70km deposit of inland sea phytoplankton , to products of,but limited too.for e ample absorbing co2 and reducing to pure oxygen, algae is 20 to 80% oil.Exxon only has algae from sewage and oil.i can maintain a very small ecosystem,without realestate,feed,except plankton and c in and o out,sun water warmth.

shyn stitch
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shyn stitch
5 years ago

Lets get on track people, stay on this subject, as in, how does a person who feels like another person has to many pets get so much say in what happens to the pets? Every adult should know by now that shelters KILL unwanted pets, 10s of thousands of them are KILLED by shelters every year here in America. These Guinnea pigs don’t appear sick, look dirty, or uncared for, leave them be! Why make it a political discussion….. there are plenty of threads out there for that.
Some bored “Mary” is trying to impose her point of view on another person and the result will be the “putting down” aka KILLING of these animals. I am sick of these “do gooders”, why don’t you volunteer to help? If you think something needs to be changed….jump in and change that cage litter, scoop some poop, spend some of your money on good feed for the animals you want to help, and keep on doing it!! Don’t cop out and just have the county take and KILL them, Shame on you Mary!

Concerned citizen
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Concerned citizen
5 years ago

If this letter doesn’t prove that Richard is mentally ill and needs help with his guinea pig hoard, I don’t know what will.

The family is also clearly in denial and in need of assistance.

Animal control has many options here but they continue look the other way in this case. If these guinea pigs were dogs or cats, the situation would be stopped. Unfortunately, there is no law about how many guinea pigs a person can have in Eureka. Well guess what? Animal control can write such a law and bring it to city council to be passed. They just haven’t done this yet.

Where is the health department in all of this? Apparently they don’t care, either. His house is also considered a fire hazard by the city fire department because of all the regular hoarding going on.

Big problem, simple solution. In the meantime, the madness continues, unabated, because the civil servants of Eureka won’t step in and put a stop to it.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
5 years ago

“If this letter doesn’t prove that Richard is mentally ill and needs help with his guinea pig hoard, I don’t know what will.”

Who knows, maybe one day he will show up on these forums and write some even crazier crap!

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago

I notice a guinea pig will get all bitey at his neighbors when he does not have a place to call his own and feels insecure about sharing common space. He will even try to take that of others by intimidation and force. When we teach him he is loved and supported, his manners improve. Or we chuck him out, at our discretion.

Guinea pigs are also five times more efficient than cows at converting vegetation into body weight. They fit in urban areas, mow and trim yards meticulously and oblige owners to find as many green growing things as possible for them. If they are meat, give them to people to fatten up first, so they may choose if they want to eat a charming and affable friend trying to buddy up to them for meals, or follow their example in vegetarianism. While very adaptable they are primarily grass eating rodents, making their needs not just inexpensive, but often nearly free.

I want the headline to read: GUINEA PIGS PROVIDE SOLUTIONS TO HUMAN CIVILIZATION FOR PEACE, WORLD HUNGER AND GLOBAL WARMING. It’s funny because it’s true.

Central HumCo
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5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Furman

~your last name gives you away. 🙂 I too am a – well, fur woman – my cat owns me . . . pretty much.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Furman

You’re the reason no animal shelter from LA to Seattle will take guinea pigs anymore. They ALL talk about the guy from Eureka who couldn’t separate his makes from his females and saturated the guinea pig market on the west coast in one fell swoop.

Thanks a lot! Who knows how many guinea pigs you have killed vicariously because you SUCK at keeping your animals from breeding.

WTF people?
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WTF people?
5 years ago

The sad part is he thinks he’s somehow helping guinea pigs. No one is suggesting any of these animals should be killed. But why should anyone be allowed to breed animals endlessly when they cannot possibly care for all of them? He is creating the very problem he’s complaining about.

Perhaps Richard has good intentions. But one family cannot provide proper care for hundreds of guinea pigs. Anyone who has had pets (especially rodents) can attest to this.

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago

The secret to our home is not that we speak to animals, but that we listen to them. The Stellar Jays, the Talking Robins. Brown sparrows, an amazing array of wrens, all come on the premise of food provided by way of guinea pigs. The compost attracts their habitation, they come for the wealth of worms and insects that aid the natural decay with a reminiscent barnyard odor as they scratch it apart.

They speak among themselves of something I cannot sense, I go to the back and stand looking out over the greenery into the taller trees across the way. Wait, expect no thing. The hawk drops his nerve and stoops back through the darkness of trees to a lesser clime.

Animals support us, in our home at edge of wild and town. They say what is, if we listen. They support our pigs, with their warning and caution. It remains for us to hear.

Now, I listen to you.

Great effort has been made to characterize us as hoarders of animals, which we find hard to reconcile with a willingness to freely give any the number they wish. But the truth remains that few care to have them. Those that might are more liable to be utterly convinced that ours have to do with disease and disfigurement to such extent that we go out and look in light of their view. Regardless, we are obliged to see them as liability. Assertions convey more readily than evidence. We need surrender them for practical reasons. Not their expense, nor the life it brings us, but to appease the sensibilities of others. They threaten a pleasant home in ways that demand we consider the price for being left in peace. There is no other bone of contention any have had with us over the years, letting them have it seems the only means to being let alone. There is no attributing who slashes tires, as is doubtless intended. But we get the message. We are not safe.

The daughter is desperately trying to put pigs in my lap, giving names and remarking at their softness of fur in attempts to personalize them. But we are the only ones privy to matters as they are. Others have certainty in their view that we should be held accountable. So, I am willing. To account for each, bagged and frozen in all finality, so they may feel justice as done and all matters laid to rest. If some will leave us be on this condition, we pay the price. We all will.

Or do you have other suggestion? It is our last resort, to cut ourselves away from the extended family we have created in a last ditch effort at self preservation. To remain here as targets for abuse risks a delicate balance to outrage and actions none will account or admit to, but they occur nonetheless. We had not imagined such things from our perspective, but it seems some have their own. “Abomination”, is the cry. So, it is. Our existence came on condition that all or nothing can be and so should. So had theirs, we allowed. None are unwelcome, all are given the best opportunity their life affords. They scrap and scrounge and try their utmost with good humor and willful disposition. We adore their aggravation and endearment. But the price is too high. They scrap and scrounge and try their utmost with good humor and willful disposition. We adore their aggravation and endearment. But the price is too high.

Suggestions mean nothing. Advice matters little. We have tried everything in means, done our best, but some find we deserve worse. Our only option is to disappear them and attempt the same for ourselves. There is no place for them to go but away. Not even garbage goes truly away, but somewhere as an inanimate thing. Guinea pigs require a home. Take it, they have nothing, soon are nothing. They are something to us. To others, something wrong. We have tried to sit quietly, then attempted to speak loudly. Nothing quells the righteousness that finds cause for fault in what they imagine. I imagine they are right. It must be that we are wrong. It makes what we must do correct. I pray for their satisfaction.

It is not that we speak to animals, but that we listen to them. It is they that hold the more there is to say.

For the love of all things holy
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For the love of all things holy
5 years ago
Reply to  Richard Furman

“It is not that we speak to animals, but that we listen to them.”

Really? What do you think your multitude of guinea pigs would actually say? Do you think they would tell you, “good job, please keep packing us into your house where we oftentimes don’t get enough attention or food.”

Or do you think they would say, “please focus on taking better care of those of us who already live with you, and stop bringing more and more of us into your world”?

Hmmm… I’m sure you know the answer to that one.

Richard Furman
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Richard Furman
5 years ago

Some write for sentiment. Some, information. I manage either, but it depends. Words garner commentary that evidences disposition. I have presumed on the kindness that some care to understand. What becomes clear is they already do. There is no room for mine of it. To maintain the position that my words have meaning to others is indulgence, a vanity serving no purpose. My wish to communicate beauty a wonder few care for. Others are right. For those without the time, this is not the place. Quick and slick is the answer. But who remembers the question? Clever wit with biting comment is all we know.

Dede
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Dede
5 years ago

All hoarders justify their situation. They demonize those who call them out, then victimize themselves. Textbook letter.

Allie
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Allie
5 years ago

Here’s an idea, Richard: why not stop breeding guinea pigs and put the money towards your daughter’s college fund, instead?

Surely that would be a more worthwhile legacy than a bunch of diseased rodents.