[UPDATE 10:07 p.m.] Old Church on Fire in Garberville Next to the Hospital

Neighbors trying to keep the fire from spreading.

Neighbors trying to keep the fire from spreading. [Photo from Lisa Music]

About 8:40 p.m., the old church on the 500 block of Elm Street next to the Jerold Phelps Community hospital in Garberville caught fire. As of 9:30 p.m., the fire is mostly under control but the building is badly damaged.

Julie Ann Shelton, a neighbor said, “We heard a strange sound like someone is banging pots and pans. The glass was blowing out from inside the house.”

Video by Julie Ann Shelton

Shelton said the fire exploded fast. “I started banging on the neighbors’ doors to get everybody out…The power lines were smoking.”

Though the building had been mostly empty, Shelton said, recently people had been working on it. “Over the last couple months they had cleaned it up a little bit,” she said.

Firefighters are currently working on completely extinguishing the last of the fire.

UPDATE 10:07 p.m.: According to the Humboldt County Office of Emergency Services, “The fire is reported out, and didn’t spread beyond the initial structure.”

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  • Garberville is going to look like the next Detroit! It had a church? I thought the hippie progressive was anti-god. Maybe it was a cultist church.

    • Church Of The Devil’s Lettuce…

      Hippies are Godless heathens that worship at the alter of The Golden Pitbull who believe their saviour will return in a Toyota truck with a dent, bringing them all to Costa Rica where they can get $4800 a pound for Big Wreck.

      Just ignore them and they will move someplace else…

      • Ignorance masquerading as sarcasm?

        Multiple churches, a Catholic monastery, a Buddhist monastery. Bound to be more that I’m unaware of.

        But keep blaming all your woes on one source; you’re doing exactly what your government wants, keeping yourself divided without their added intervention.

        Cheers.

        • 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
          — Exodus 20:4-6

      • They are not ignored, the bums are fed,free bathrooms,free handouts,free weed,tolerated, and in return….. they burn down a second church in return. No other small town in AMERICA has as many bums and transients as [edit]! Travel around and you will see. I’m really not so sure about this county anymore…. just a little pisssd, with a little bit of sadness thrown in.

      • Please feel free to join them!!!

        • Join em? I would rather end it than be a social parasite.

          • As an EMT, you are part of the largest parasitic digleberry on the American economy, the for-profit medical industry. I’m not judging you personally for working in that field on the ground level, I used to be an EMT. Just pointing out you’re throwing rocks in a glass house.

            • I’m sure many people would spend 12 years going to school to become a professional doctor if there was no money in it.

              • The American medical system isn’t more expensive because we pay doctors more. It’s more expensive because special interests have made sure there are no government price controls.

                • An EMP is an Electro-Magnetic Pulse. An EMT is an Emergency Medical Technician.
                  Am I missing a connection here somewhere?

                  An EMP, like caused by a nuclear explosion could blow the crap out of the Lost Coast. An EMT would help the people that might have lived through it.

                  I know, I have spoiled your fun….

                • Congress made deals with those lobbyists, which makes Govt controlled prices the problem.
                  Cap on prescriptions for Vets in exchange for any price will do for all other meds.
                  That happened during the longest lobbyist session ever in congress, back when Boehner was still there.

      • So would Hippie Hell be a place where you’re greeted by Satan dressed in a DFW uniform and you spend eternity dodging Bearcats and chippers towed by Dodge pickups?

    • Actually there are several segregations of many religions here. Sorry your thoughts are so marginal.

    • Detriot, lol, you mean the soon to be cannabis capital of the midwest. I thought you were anti cannabis but your supportive comment of my industry (yep, multi billion dollar industry) is much appreciated I knew us hippies would win you over. Blessings and love to you friend maybe you and I can go on a bead hunt during the summer.

  • Saw this at 8:20 and called 911. They had already received reports prior to our call.

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  • About 9pm I got a text from a dear friend. ….Your Church is on fire NOW.

    I called to hear more. Yes, the Christian Science church in Garberville is no longer. Yes, it is an old beautiful church built by over 50 people in the early fifties. The roster of church members include some of the most loving, hard working, dedicated strong believers who helped to built southern Humboldt.

    The man who texted me came to the church saying he was dying within the next few days several months ago. He lived and now months later was the person to make this sad call.

    You can burn down a church but you can’t take God out of our communities.

  • “Church Of The Devil’s Lettuce…

    Hippies are Godless heathens that worship at the alter of The Golden Pitbull who believe their saviour will return in a Toyota truck with a dent, bringing them all to Costa Rica where they can get $4800 a pound for Big Wreck.

    Just ignore them and they will move someplace else…”
    This shit is ok to post but my harmless comment about a Troll washing away in the High Surf today wasn’t WTF OVER!!!??? THis is seriously MESSED UP!!! I’m sure this will never see the light of day either but I need to do something here to express my side of… “IT”!!!

  • It was the Christian Science church. It had a congregation who met every Sunday. Their Reading Room provides the food bank a place to give food out for the needy.

    • The Christian Scientist Church had or has a congregation that meets every Sunday? At that particular location it seems no church meeting has been on-going there for quite a while. By the looks of things it seems to have become a storage area. Bummer to lose all the great wood work and history but it would be nice to see something postive going on there. The half done yrad work and piles of brush and the flostson collecting around the place the past few years have become unsightly.
      A strong Chruch congregation usually makes some kind of effort to keep up appearances.
      If it is still classified as a church and belonging to a religious order does that mean some kind of tax free haven? What happens when it becomes private domain?

    • There hasn’t been power or propane there for some time and all the pews were stacked into the middle of the room. And you’re expecting us to believe a congregation has been meeting there in the cold and dark sunday mornings?!

    • FYI, if interested: The Christian Science Reading Room is not in the burned church. It is across the street from Radio Shack, and the Food Bank distributions made from it are alive and well.

      As to the building that burned, I believe it had severe electrical problems (i.e., bad wiring or wiring gone bad) and was filled with lots of burnables, like books, cardboard boxes, and loose papers. The fire could have been caused by something as simple as a small earth movement or even a rat poking around (many lived there according to what a former “tenant” told me) shifting something to where an unshielded wire lit it up. No need to place blame where there may be none.

      • For what it is worth, both KMUD News and the local ABC channel are reporting tonight that PG&E has said there was no power service at the building at the time of the fire.

  • I guess they were open to the homeless

  • Interesting which comments get totally censored here. Completely stone crazy people can post, whatever, but observers and critics, well, it depends upon Kym’s reaction, and whether she “likes” you!

    Rules that are not rules are usually referred to as policies. Policies can be applied, at random, according to general prejudice. Not the same!

    Have a sweet day, Kymmie.

    • The rules here include—-do not accuse someone of criminal behavior without evidence…which is something you know and something you just did. So I deleted those two and put you on moderation. But you are almost right, I don’t much care for your posts. I think your nearly constant bashing of all things Southern Humboldt is a detriment to my community.

      However, you post here frequently (34 comments in the last month and only 4 deleted) which is a testament to the fact that I tolerate a far more diverse amount of opinion and snarky comments than I should. Including calling me Kymmie. That’s a diminutive meant to donate tenderness when done sincerely and often meant to dominate when done by a male who feels threatened by a woman. Don’t do it again.

  • Blackberry Amnesia

    Garberville redevelopment in action!

    This building has been an eyesore and an attraction for bums and robbers for years. It’s too bad the old places have to burn, in Garberville, before the town can go forward…

    I don’t think it will be a church, after this.

    Clean up your town, Garberville!

  • Thank you to the amazing responding firefighters last night who kept everyone in the neighborhood safe. It was a very quick and hot fire!!

    They were so supportive in EVERY way.
    They not only put out fires but they are genuine good people giving us comfort too. Sincere thanks

    • I agree, we are very fortunate to have a group of dedicated folks who take the time to staff and maintain the volunteer brigades here in So Hum. We also are lucky to have the professionals at Cal Fire available year round. Thanks to them all and a Happy New Year to them and theirs.

  • Sounds like Chimp got a new script.Thank you firefighters!

  • The first time I visited Gville was in the late 80s. We were on a quest, and we found it. When we got out of the car I turned to my friends and said “welcome to the wild-fucking west. Lets make a few bucks while it lasts”

    Last month I stood at the same exact spot, turned to my friends and said “lets get the fuck out of here and never come back….OK” Stay classy Gville, stay classy.

    Now I got some property for sale…..BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Who doesn’t.

    • Proper land is given not sold. Glad you will be leaving our area. Sounds like you have not done much in our community. Seems like our area has much to gain with your departure. Please do not come back and take your friend with you.

      • The interesting thing is some of the most vicious critics of Garberville don’t live here. I know at least two who constantly rag on us that were so inept hey couldn’t make it here even in the best of times.

        • Thank you Dave. I do get a bit irked when people post crap on this site. Kym works hard and provides this community so much and to have trolls posting lies and opinions that are not a true representation of our area is pathetic. His comment about selling his property says a lot. If he has been here since the 80s he obviously caused some reason for the community to not embrace this person. The one thing I hope he is not lying about is moving. I will even volunteer myself and my crews to help him pack.

          • We’re not leaving – we are gone – the prop 215 LLCs will also be gone as soon as the liens pile high enough to toss em.

            We are leaving you to enjoy your drug infested, crime infused, uneducated, shithole county. Stay low and zig zagg.

          • I was born in 1980 and am the fourth generation of my family to live in Humboldt County. I also smoke pot. My wife and I have strongly thought about moving our three children somewhere else, the culture around here and in the State of CA in general has just gotten out of hand, plane and simple. I’m hoping it calms down after the storm that’s coming.

            • It is a beautiful exodus!! I have seen the first wave leave when Colorado legalized. The next wave in 2014 after Oregon and Washington passed recreational. I am hoping as more and more states legalize those that came here will go home. This wave leaving now is bitter, greedy, self centered bunch of negative twits. Obviously they migrated to us from the central and southern part of our state. Kinda like a cannabis civil war as I see it but their oderless dry crap will never compare. So I see hope we will clean up their mess of humanity they left behind and get back our way of life.

      • We did the same as most of the multi-decade-transient growers: made a shit ton of money, had a ton of fun, and stuck it to the fucking man exporting tax free cash. My essentially worthless properties will be rolled into a bankrupt corporation – just the cost of doing biz. It was a great run while it lasted, probably two years too long anyway.

        You my friend, may as well be…..the man. Enjoy living in the Appalachia of the west. Always pays to have a clean exit plan. We took the pot and left behind the meth and heroin.

        • Your place must suck real bad for it to be worthless. Sounds like you didn’t make out as grand as you thought. You should be leaving behind some epic properties, but it sounds like you are leaving a pile of sh!t, which is most likely a reflection of the kind of person you are.

  • My grand parents lloyd and margret swensen were devout Christian scientists .I went to Sunday school there .Sad to see it burn I wonder if it was set on purpose ,or bad wiring ? It was a local icon to garb .

  • JustWantToHeartheEndoftheStory

    Wasn’t there another church fire a while back? Yet another church that helped the homeless, if I recall correctly. Is this some sort of divine judgement on assisting the human flotsam that drifts through Garberville?

    • You recalled correctly….. social parasites. Take and give nothing back but despair and angsts.

    • If your god burns down churches to force them to stop helping the poor, its not a god worth worshiping.

    • I am not much of a biblical scholar, but i did attend a few years of Sunday school. I thought i remembered something about the Bible suggesting kindness and generosity toward the poor.
      Google has a better memory than me, so here ‘s the list from openbible.info. It does seem to repeat a couple of times, but the message is pretty clear, being poor is not fun or easy, and the wealthy are expected to share. My point isn’t “you should do this,” but that it seems a church who gives to the poor is walking their talk and can’t really be criticized. Their regular meetings notwithstanding.

      Proverbs 19:17
      Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

      Deuteronomy 15:11
      For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

      Luke 14:13
      But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind,

      Proverbs 14:31
      Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.

      Proverbs 28:27
      Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.

      Mark 10:21
      And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

      Luke 6:20-21
      And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

      Luke 4:18
      “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,

      Proverbs 21:13
      Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered.

      Proverbs 29:7
      A righteous man knows the rights of the poor; a wicked man does not understand such knowledge.

      Galatians 2:10
      Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.

      1 John
      But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him?

      Luke 6:20-26
      And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation. …

      Matthew 26:11
      For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.

      2 Corinthians 8:9
      For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.

      Proverbs 14:21
      Whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor.

      Matthew 5:3
      “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      Proverbs 22:22-23
      Do not rob the poor, because he is poor, or crush the afflicted at the gate, for the Lord will plead their cause and rob of life those who rob them.

      Proverbs 17:5
      Whoever mocks the poor insults his Maker; he who is glad at calamity will not go unpunished.

      Proverbs 31:8-9
      Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute. Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

      Psalm 140:12
      I know that the Lord will maintain the cause of the afflicted, and will execute justice for the needy.

      Deuteronomy 15:7-8
      “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.

      Proverbs 22:16
      Whoever oppresses the poor to increase his own wealth, or gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.

      Luke 14:12-14

      Isaiah 25:4
      For you have been a stronghold to the poor, a stronghold to the needy in his distress, a shelter from the storm and a shade from the heat; for the breath of the ruthless is like a storm against a wall,ESV / 140 helpful votes
      He said also to the man who had invited him, “When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

      Matthew 25:40
      And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

      Psalm 35:10
      All my bones shall say, “O Lord, who is like you, delivering the poor from him who is too strong for him, the poor and needy from him who robs him?”

      Jeremiah 22:16
      He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well. Is not this to know me? declares the Lord.

      Luke 3:11
      And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”

      Ezekiel 16:49
      Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

      Psalm 14:6
      You would shame the plans of the poor, but the Lord is his refuge.

      Isaiah 61:1
      The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

      Isaiah 58:10
      If you pour yourself out for the hungry and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then shall your light rise in the darkness and your gloom be as the noonday.

      Isaiah 1:17
      Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow’s cause.

      Proverbs 22:2
      The rich and the poor meet together; the Lord is the maker of them all.

      Leviticus 23:22
      “And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.”

      James 1:27
      Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

      Deuteronomy 15:10
      You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake.

      Matthew 6:3-4
      But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

      Matthew 5:42
      Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

      Matthew 25:34-40
      Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? …

      Leviticus 25:35
      “If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you.

      Luke 12:33
      Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.

      1 Timothy 6:17-19
      As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

      Luke 6:38
      Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

      1 John 3:17-18
      But if anyone has the world’s goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God’s love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

      Zechariah 7:10
      Do not oppress the widow, the fatherless, the sojourner, or the poor, and let none of you devise evil against another in your heart.”

      Isaiah 58:6-7
      “Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house; when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?

      Leviticus 19:10
      And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

      Deuteronomy 15:10-11
      You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

      Luke 21:1-4
      Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”

      2 Corinthians 9:7
      Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

      Psalm 146:7
      Who executes justice for the oppressed, who gives food to the hungry. The Lord sets the prisoners free;

      Psalm 112:9
      He has distributed freely; he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever; his horn is exalted in honor.

      Proverbs 31:9
      Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.

      Matthew 25:31-46
      “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, …

      Exodus 23:11
      But the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, that the poor of your people may eat; and what they leave the beasts of the field may eat. You shall do likewise with your vineyard, and with your olive orchard.

      Matthew 8:20
      And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.”

      Isaiah 10:1-2
      Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees, and the writers who keep writing oppression, to turn aside the needy from justice and to rob the poor of my people of their right, that widows may be their spoil, and that they may make the fatherless their prey!

      Mark 10:25
      It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

      Matthew 9:36
      When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.

      Galatians 6:2 E
      Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.

      Isaiah 10:1-3
      Woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees, and the writers who keep writing oppression, to turn aside the needy from justice and to rob the poor of my people of their right, that widows may be their spoil, and that they may make the fatherless their prey! What will you do on the day of punishment, in the ruin that will come from afar? To whom will you flee for help, and where will you leave your wealth?

      • I first read the word “Google” before the lengthy comment, you must be sure to acknowledge that “Google” has been known to censor certain types of speech, and has a leftist leaning agenda. kinda like going to the grocery store , and buying food, black label like in the Communist Countries…

        • Don’t worry, there’s plenty of right-wing shit in the bible, too. Try the old testament, maybe the book of numbers.

  • I’ve been reading articles and comments on this website for a couple years now and this is the first and last comment I have and will make. I have noticed the same people comment on a daily basis. I’ve never seen such a bunch of worthless sacks of shit. You all spout your opinions that nobody gives a shit about. How about get a job and contribute to society. I’m on my lunch and going back to work now so I can pay for all your government benefits. Nothing but turds. I’m out

    • Your words of wisdom have inspired me to go back to my former ‘lurker only’ status. Remember the ole cb radio days?

      I be 10-7.

    • You are not helping the noise-to-signal ratio.

    • Just got home from work my self. Why would you bother reading the comment section if you dont care what opinions others have? Thats whats getting really fucked about our country, nobody gives a shitt about others opinions any more. There is only 1 you, but there is about 325,000,000 other people in this country, and they all have a opinion.

  • Hang in there K:ym. Your news sense and heart are both good and needed in this community.

  • Disgusting supervisors.

    All the kindest best people I’ve come across in life are hippies, there the realist people around!!! Maybe if you people commenting about them would have been raised around them you would have turned out not so screwed up and hateful. Carmas real!!!

    • The kindest people I ever met have been Quakers in general. Followed by Canadians. Of course nurses in general have been up there. I have seen kind behavior from police many times with people I would be scared to go near.

      There have been hippie riots and violence. Also a lot of selfish, dangerous drug behavior. And cults. I think that hippie means different things to different people. As far as it goes, hippies are no more a uniform principled group than any other.

  • it was very old.solid redwood.

  • Rise of The Galatic Core

    Well what if I told you Tina pretty much sounds like the coolest person out there coming from someone that actually lived out there.

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