Free Speech Means Free Speech for All, Says Letter Writer; ‘Don’t Be Goaded Into Betraying What You Believe’

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For those talking about the right of free speech re: the white supremacist movement, I hear you. After all, it is what human rights movements work for, equal rights for all, freedom to express your views, freedom of religion, freedom to exist. People have fought and died for these rights.It is perhaps the most galling part of this, these neo-nazis, these hate groups, are using the rights that their opposers gave their very life’s blood to get for women, minorities and all those oppressed by these hate filled people.

It does come down to principles. Equal rights mean just that. Hate speech laws are in place in many countries and many states because it has been determined that it tears the fabric of society and begets violence. Finding anything positive about wanting genocide is quite difficult. It is still a subject in hot debate though, around the dinner table and in the courts. Democracies are messy by their very nature.

So, a right to speak. Ok. We have a right not to listen. We have a right to turn our backs. Remove support, spend your money wisely etc. It is vitally important to guard your principles well in these times. Don’t be goaded into betraying what you believe because of your emotional response to something so vicious and wrong that your heart cannot comprehend it.

I will fight Nazis and fascists always. Will I strike first? Never. Will I goad someone into striking first so I can feel good about hurting someone? Never. Will I fight back? Always. Will I defend another against violence and hate? Always.

These tests of our society come too often but they remind us of what came before and what inaction can do. Stay strong, take heart.

Alicia VanWatermeulen

 

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61 comments

  • Sunlight is the best disinfectant. You dont fight bad ideas with violence. You fight bad ideas with better ideas.

    • fully automated luxury gay space communism

      It’s not just bad ideas that need fighting, but very bad people that the American people have recently been reminded are very dangerous. The vast majority of terror attacks post 9/11 have been fascists and white supremacists.

      At what point was it okay to punch (the original) nazis in Germany? When they were proselytizing and forming street fighting brigades? When the reichstag burnt? Kristallnacht? When they invaded poland?

      Would you defend an ISIS rally in YOUR city, in YOUR public park as free speech?

      • Just a caution this comment is moving into advocating violence and it is stretching what I will allow.

      • Popular speech needs no protection. Here’s what happens when we arbitrarily grant individual rights. Initially it seems like a good idea… shut up those evil neo nazis who preach hate. No one is going to miss their protests. But then they go underground. Then they get smart and lie about their intentions. They start working within the system. In 50 years they’ve gained some power in a government that now has a precedent for taking away rights when it feels like it. Would you want to be on the other side of that situation?

        And to answer your question, it is appropriate to fight someone in self defense. Regardless of what another person is advocating, the first one to escalate to violence or infringe on another’s rights is always in the wrong.

        These people were content to stay in their holes for decades, and only came out in response to the antifa movement. Let them protest themselves back into obscurity. But fighting them, or limiting their rights, is only going to motivate them and keep them around longer. Just look at what happened to the Westboro Baptist Church when they stopped getting attention… there are seven of them left.

        • Smart comment.

        • Thinking allowed

          They never disappeared. They dwindled as they got such little press coverage couldn’t provoke attention grabbing news stories. Without press, it didn’t become attractive to those who feel abused but can’t see their own part in the bad that happens in their lives.

          I can remember KKK rallies in the 1960s and 1970s in response to the civil rights movement and legislation.

          Look at Danny Kaye’s “Skokie” http://www.nytimes.com/1981/11/17/arts/tv-skokie-nazis-march-in-illinois.html for his role as a Holocaust survivor facing an American Nazi rally. I will remember it til the day I die.

          It seems simple in some people’s minds that violent suppression of hateful speech would get rid of the speakers. But, as PT Barnum put it, there’s one born every minute. You never get to the end of violent suppression. It creates more of what it seeks to exteminate and in the end becomes worse that what it seeks to exteminate as it goes further and further.

          This letter writer is exactly right.

        • fully automated luxury gay space communism

          “These people were content to stay in their holes for decades, and only came out in response to the antifa movement.”

          If only that were the case. If nazis were content to stay in their own areas and do their own thing and not bother anyone else I wouldn’t have a problem with them. But they are ultranationalists, their ambitions will always be to affect change on a national then international level. They weren’t lying dormant- they were plotting, propagandizing, and accumulating resources.

          In the 80’s and 90’s the Pacific Northwest was a battleground between antifascists and nazi skinheads. These were violent people terrorizing non-whites and gays. The ONLY thing that was able to push them out of urban areas like Portland was a militant antifa response. These are unsung heroes that put themselves at serious risk (people were assasinated) for no personal gain.

          • Neo-Nazis, like most extremist groups, thrive when there’s conflict and an enemy. That’s where hate wants to live. Antifa protested and rioted (destroying property and assaulting people in some cases) uncontested for the better part of a year. They motivated the neo nazis to join the legitimate Antifa counter protests and take them over. If fascist tactics are used to fight fascist ideas, their numbers are only going to grow.

            The only right thing to do is grudgingly fight for the rights of people who wouldn’t do the same for you. The greatest enemy to fascism is an abundance of liberty.

      • There have been 13 terrorist attacks by Islamic fundamentalist and only 5 terrorist attacks by white supremacists, since 9/11. Its not clear who you consider fascist.

        A very simple and obvious question, when words turn into violence, it is ok to defend yourself.

        There is no ideology on Earth that I find more objectionable than Islamic fundamentalism, and yes, I would defend the rights of US citizens to voice their support for ISIS, that is how freedom of speech works.

        • how many terrorist attacks by the alt-left? lol. 40,000 showed up on the commons to say go home.

          • When you find a moment, read up on Giovanni Gentile, the father of fascism.

            • he looks like a freak. I don’t need to read. he has that get out of my country look.

              • True that, he was a Socialist clear through.
                As was Hitler.

                Socialist vs Socialist for ultimate control, now that they’ve convinced the (government educated) dumbed down americans that america is a democracy. Which it is not.

                When Antifa attacks the Veterans who valliantly fought the Nazi’s, most people snap out of their false romance.
                When Antifa and BLM go head to head, do the indoctrinated wake up or do they choose a side?

                When the provocateurs refuse to read, study, research, debate, … we already have our answer.

                • I forgot to mention that the Fascist group called Antifa even has a “militia” that wears brown shirts and jumper suits, calling themselves the “John Brown Gun Club”.
                  The history of the Brown Shirts is very similar to what is happening today. The Brown Shirts rioted, assaulted, and intimidated through the press, exactly like the antifa are doing today.
                  By the way, they are back in Germany too.
                  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149724

    • Understand before you speak. We are all in this together..............

      A more interesting thought is WHO protects freedom of speech. Should ALL speech be protected? And where does one go when they feel their right to “free speech” has been violated. If you say our Gov’t then you must also accept the Constitution’s mandate,

      “The Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law of the United States. Empowered with the sovereign authority of the people by the framers and the consent of the legislatures of the states, it is the source of all government powers, and also provides important limitations on the government that protect the fundamental rights of United States citizens.”

      And the First Amendment states:

      The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
      Redress meaning; 1a: relief from distress b: means or possibility of seeking a remedy without redress. 2: compensation for wrong or loss: reparation. 3a: an act or instance of redressing b: retribution, correction.

      The real meaning comes from the Preamble to the Constitution. “We the People” is one of the most often quoted parts of the Constitution, both because it is at the very beginning of the entire document and because it significantly determines the
      nature of the rest of the Constitution. In making the Constitution a document for the people and by the people, the words “We the People” at the beginning of the Preamble very much define the context in which the entire rest of the Constitution can and should be understood.

      My point is we need to believe, accept and live under the conditions of the Constitution. Unfortunately, too many people have not read the rules and therefore freedom of speech has to them become, “I can say anything I want” and not be held to answer their speech in a peaceful dialogue. And because too many citizens are too busy or not interested they forget Lincoln’s infamous words; Gov’t BY the People means just that. The very reason voting is one of the only powers people have to assure Gov’t works For the People.

      • That is an interesting pov.
        But, if we back up the truck, we discover that the Constitution limits the Federal Government to extremely limited and defined duties and powers. The only laws Congress can pass are laws that are in pursuance of the Constitution. This means, that if it is not a delegated or enumerated power, then it is not a constitutional law. All laws that are not in pursuance of the Constitution are to be considered repugnant to the Constitution and null and void.
        The Federal Government was created by the people of every state, to act as ambassadors of all Foreign duties. The Bill of Rights was an addendum, to remind the future generations of what an inalienable right is. It is up to the people to know their inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Inalienable rights are rights we are naturally born with. We OWN our rights. They are our personal property.
        The Governments (local, state, Feds), were formed, to SECURE our rights. They are not given the power to give or deny our rights. They are not to be infringed.
        The Constitution was written to control the powers of the governments. All governments, (local, state, feds), must take an oath to the Constitution of the United States (states who united to secure our liberties from all governments), and then to their own State constitution. Each state remained sovereign, because each state is actually a Country. The countries did not merge together as one national melding pot. The country’s remained sovereign.
        Lincoln tried to change all of that into one melding pot ran by a King who powers over all.
        The Federal Government is not our leader, they are our ambassadors.
        The Founding Fathers fought against oppression. The Declaration of Independence lists a fraction of what they suffered through and said no more to. The 1st amendment is first for a reason. It lists 5 inalienable rights that the King had oppressed, so the Founding Fathers made sure that would never happen again.
        The governments were formed to secure our liberties. They have the powers to penalize those who give up their liberties. We do not have the liberties of literally assaulting others, robbing others, or enslaving others.
        People have the right to offend and they have the right to be offended. If we unconstitutionally strip away the right to offend, we also strip away the right to be offended. Governments are NOT to infringe on rights. The people hold their own power of authority over their emotions. We have the power to turn a deaf ear, to walk away, to laugh, to cry, to forgive, or any number of options. We do not have the power to FORCE others to say and do only those things that we agree with.

  • In America today – with the globalists and Soros firmly in control via large outpourings of financing – “free speech” is whatever the left says it is and no more. The (m)ass media will see to it – and only report what their masters say is appropriate. There is no right to assemble peacefully or to make your voice heard if your are not red at heart. The antifa and the black lives matter fascists will attack you with frozen coke cans, bags of feces and urine, and bear mace, as happened in Charlottesville – while the police completely stand down. This has been reported by countless right of center activists, most of whom were NOT “Nazis.” Read their reports on the Internet and listen to their podcasts. The right to free speech and peaceful assembly is dead in post-Obama America.

    For five decades the hippie leftists/radical feminists have poisoned the country with their immigration policies (globalists want wide open borders to annihilate national sovereignty), sexualized movies/music (the Perry Swifts, as I call them), social violence (the race riots of the sixties/seventies are nothing compared to what is coming), educational controls (HSU being the perfect example of Maoist thugs in the classroom), gutter-level media and more. Nazi-style propaganda has evolved into fake news and our nation swims in it like a cesspool. The controllers want civil war, everyone at their neighbor’s throats, to make money and to throw those they dislike into prison. It’s coming. It’s here.

    Anyone who wishes to fight the good fight, true patriots, are conveniently labeled as “Nazi’s” by the real fascists, the missile-chucking anarchists paid $25 an hour by the Soros-sponsored “activist” groups (check it out online, folks, follow the money trails). Americans – not illegals and their spawn, nor Hollywood elites spewing hatred and threatening the duly-elected president, not the traitors to our nation’s survival, but REAL citizens – have a right to self-defense.

    The civil war is here, right now. I survived the L.A. riots. I will survive this. And I am not going down without a fight ….

    • “Anyone who wishes to fight the good fight, true patriots, are conveniently labeled as “Nazi’s” by the real fascists”

      Um, I think it is the Nazis who call themselves Nazis. You know, the ones carrying the swastika flags. Oh wait, do you mean the White Supremacists who people mistake for Nazis? Oh, ok then. Oh and there are two sides. One side are Nazis. Nazis!! Boo Hoo if they are not allowed to spew Naziism.

      Funny that nobody can seem to find anybody paid by Soros. Now we do know that plenty of politicians are paid by the Koch brothers. But protesters paid by Soros? I want to get paid. Where do I sign up smarty pants?

      • Zippy,

        “Now we do know that plenty of politicians are paid by the Koch brothers”

        Plenty of politicians are paid by Soros as well. What’s your point? You have none.

        “Funny that nobody can seem to find anybody paid by Soros.”

        http://freedomoutpost.com/george-soros-son-outpaces-father-in-political-giving-to-dnc-democrats/

        There is ample evidence, aside from the direct video evidence I’ve provided, of left wing protesters PAID to protest. Can you find ANY evidence of so called right wingers being paid to protest?……….crickets!

        https://youtu.be/aiFsdatitsA

        P.S. Thanks for the pictures of the Holocaust. This should be a reminder to every thinking American what happens when socialists (left wingers), NAZI’s (National SOCIALIST German Workers Party), gain control. It starts with suppression of free speech and ends with total state control. Who is it that wants more state control? Democrats! Who wants to suppress gun rights? Democrats! Who cooooooonstantly brings race and gender to the forefront of every conversation? Democrats! Who wants the state to indoctrinate your children at a younger age than they already do? Democrats! Who wants to nationalize health care and would happily nationalize the banks? Democrats! Who’s not so big on property rights? Democrats! I could go on all day but what’s the point? Like most statists, you are blind to the irony and apathetic about the facts.

        • I would quit while you are behind. indoctrination is something gangs like wannbe Nazis punks and the KKK do. I recommend a vacation and relax. speaking of property rights – who wants you to look over your neighbors fence and report what you see? GOP wingnuts with LDS whose agenda includes taking away your property rights so you are dependent on their sponsors product. people like Bill Koch don’t have friends for a reason that’s why he buys up all the properties around his.

        • You nailed it Rollin21

    • fully automated luxury gay space communism

      Wtf! 25$ an hour? He’s only been paying me 20$!

    • Thanks for at least opening with the Soros comment; was a good early warning to just ignore the rest of the inevitable bull before I sink more time into reading.

      • Typical leftist cognitive dissonance. Wince like you just smelled a rotten egg fart anytime you get a hint of anything contrary to your worldview. Then, move on and find something more agreeable while remaining ignorant.

  • As a combat veteran, I realized I was defending this nation and our Constitution. Nazis have every right to free speech, however I agree 100% with Alicia. I can only marvel at how much Stormy seems to hate this country.

    • What war did you fight in to defend our constitution? What did Stormy say that implies he hates this country?

  • You would be amazed how many people believe there is a “hate speech” provision in the Constitution. Just as many believe case law exists on shouting “fire” in a crowded theater.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/

  • I feel so sorry for you Stormy. Do you not know that Soros is not the only rich person in the world? Have you not heard of the Koch Brothers and the millions they have put into attempting to turn the country into a right-wing religious dictatorship?

    Or of the billionaire that supports the racist and fascist Steve Bannon? And the right-wing crap that you are reading and seem to be believing is the definition of fake news and that these people are lying to you because they can. We, too, can follow right wing money trails and see what they support. It’s not pretty to us either.

    We see a lot of poorly educated white folks who are pissed off that most of us do not agree with their Nazi racist bullshit. [edit]

    I am sorry that you believe that a right-wing nutcase whose has made a career of lying, cheating, stealing, defrauding and raping is a duly elected President who was swept into office by an electoral college bought and paid for by the right and actually lost the popular vote. What a true patriot this man was who did not go to war because of a heal spur!!

    This all sounds like the right wing horse shit shovelled in the 50’s by Brother John Birch. I think 70 years of this stupidity is enough.

    • fully automated luxury gay space communism

      I wonder why the far right is so fixated on Soros. (((Its because he’s jewish)))

    • Thinking allowed

      Kym, how does this not fit into your ‘no personal insult’ litmus test for deletion?

      • Only one part was an insult. I missed it. I’ve edited it now. The rest is merely an anti-conservative rant.

        • So you are saying you edited free speech.?

          • Yes, this is a private news website. I developed it in part to facilitate conversation. I’ve discovered that some rules help me achieve that. One of those rules is no insults.

            This is not a public spot which is guaranteed free speech.

            • Your use of the term “conservative rant” shows where your coming from so I think Rush Limbaugh said it best when I got thru to his show one day and asked him ” when does freedom of speech become hate speech “. He said when you say something true that they do not want to hear. The ” They ” could be either side.

              • this is the deal. this hate speech has cost the USA a fortune in lives lost fighting the Nazis. with history alone, one can make the determination that “this” free speech you are advocating for is actually hate that has been already determined to be not acceptable in most the World. I can assure you that the same amount of Americans would give their lives if it were to repeat itself today. keep in mind that Hitler gave his followers Meth. Hitler’s favorite drug for personal use was Meth. Hitler was a freak.

                • Thinking allowed

                  Already there is press self censoring, followed by press being ‘re educated.’
                  Then comes censoring private conversations because that is just as hateful. And censoring is such a lovely control device. It allows tyranny to justify its abyse by condemning the victim for hatefulness. Of course ‘hatefulness’ is defined by someone and certainly not by consensus.

                  Along with this comes, that wonderful abuser of humanity- the informer, Then comes retrospective censoring when people are fearful of saying anything now but someone reports them for what they said before they were fearful.

                  Pretty soon your living in North Korea.

              • In your haste to accuse me of a bias…you missed an important prefix and apparently didn’t read the comment I was dealing with—What I actually said was “an ANTI-conservative rant.”

                Could your own bias be showing?

            • Thinking allowed

              Free speech for the citizen and the press are constitutionally protected from government. Unfortunately the public relies on individual professional judgement of the press to not corrupt their sources of information because there is just the opposite of protection from biased press. The Constitution actually makes the government protect the press from most legal challenges about biased or even destructive or fake reporting.

              Unfortunately the idea of professional standards of the press has all but evaporated. Not that it was ever strong but there were individual members of the press who were respected for their integrity. So somewhere the public could get some semblance of truth.

              Now the press has pretty much aligned itself left or right and will pick and choose what they say to support their personal beliefs. It has devolved into pundit press. The public can read about the same exact event from a right or a left leaning organization and it is, through selected facts and innuendo and cherry picked interviews, unrecognizable as the same story.

              So kym is right that this is a private site and she can do what she wants. But then again there are only three sources of information available. Government sources, the commercial media (private site) and internet forums. The first two are suspect most of the time and need go be combed carefully go tease out facts from agenda. If it can be done at all.

              This site represents a bit of a mixed case. The fact that this site allowed remarks makes some sort of a check on it’s inherent bias. So ugly, stupid , mean and disheartening as those remarks can be, their existence is very important.

              I just wish there was a complaint process to trigger press self examination. There was a fart of self examination after the national press was embarassed over their Trump election fiasco but they seem to have recovered and gone back to the oblivious reporting what they want go exist rather than what does exist.

              What is really scary is the internet owners seem to be forming a common cause to screen out ‘hate’ without applying unpleasant restriction on their own conduct. That will be very, very ugly.

              • I’m open to discussion. I allow some very (in my opinion) racist ideas to be expressed even though they make me feel like taking a bath after I read them. But the comments have got to contain ideas, not insults.

        • Ok, so I moved into personal invective in my anti-right wing rant… I agree with your right to edit it because sometimes I go a bit too far. But, if ignorance is bliss, there must be a lot happy people in the world. How does it feel to be the moderator for all of us nutcases out here?

  • News flash— hate speech is not free speech. Never has been. Check Supreme Court rulings. Stormy, I pity you.

  • How many protestors were there and how many carried Nazi signs?

  • Think For Yourself

    No matter how flat the pancake, there is always another side.

  • Thinking allowed

    It is remarkably blind to hate and support violence against those who hate and support violence. Way, way too many repeat the same ugliness. They latch on to it as if it was mother’s milk, taking no time to think at all.

    Right wing, left wing. Both have the same element of extremism, violence and hate. They both subscribe to the Robin Hood myth that you get a free pass on immorality if you do your evil in the name of something good. ISIS, Nazis, KKK, Kymer Rouge, Anarchists, and apparently Social Justice Warriors and more. All think they have the only right thinking and are willing to murder in its name. Certainly they all equally view words other than their own as weapons against them.

    Those who would ruthlessness suppress free speech are Nazis, no matter how much the proclaim they are different.

    That is why free speech is all the more to be prized and protected. Because, damn it all, no one has all the right on their side and anyone who believes they do will soon turn into the same bastards as they hate. And the only thing that can slow that process is free speech where others can say that’s wrong.

    And the reason that every person should support free speech, especially when they don’t like it, is that, if it is weakened, there is always someone willing and better able to suppress you and your speech. The loudest and meanest sounding yapp never wins when it comes to a fight.

    • Like BLM? A hate group whos involvement has killed numerous law enforcement officers…..but hey….thats cool,because there a struggling minority

  • The Totalitarian’s on the left, I’ll take the liberty of labeling chiwawa’s, and the Totalitarian’s on the right, I’ll take the liberty of labeling Bedlington Terrier’s, are trying to herd a kazillion independent cool cats into their kennels. The cat’s say “whatever. we’re not fooled. we know who both of you really are”.
    So, then the two dogs get together and create a faux fight, to mandate the devoicing of all the cool cats. Funny thing is, the cat’s know this and the cat’s have developed other ways of communication.
    If those cool cats ever unite against both sides, the screams heard across the nation won’t be from the cats. They’ve been devoiced, remember?
    Quietly, like a thief in the night, they will emerge triumphant through the veils of war.
    The technologies they’ve promoted throughout time, will restore their voice boxes.

    meow.

    • Smokin that good shit eh?

      • This whole thing is not about “racism”, it’s about creating chaos so a Totalitarian will take control.
        Lincoln was the first one.
        Notice his “Kingly” attitude about marriage, or not, that’s your call.
        That’s just part of the issues they are trying to take back their control of. “Safe zones” are segregation zones. They love their Nationalism. They want to be in totalitarian control of it, again. This is why they leave Lincoln alone, but attack all who disapprove of Lincoln.

        Lincoln’s speech in court:
        “While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I ever heard of so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness-and that is the case of Judge Douglas’s old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. [Laughter.] I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.] I will add one further word, which is this: that I do not understand that there is any place where an alteration of the social and political relations of the negro and the white man can be made except in the State Legislature-not in the Congress of the United States-and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching, I propose as the best means to prevent it that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. [Uproarious laughter and applause.] I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject……”
        https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/debate4.htm

        • Lincoln quote from above post: ” I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.”
          That, ladies and gentlemen, is what Lee fought against. Government has NO CONSTITUTIONAL POWER OF AUTHORITY to govern/dictate ANY of our own inalienable rights. By taking away the power of autonomy, state’s would NOT be able to continue fighting FOR their own inalienable rights. Slavery is NOT a right, it goes against everything the Founding Fathers fought hard to escape FROM. They worked hard to present the ALL MEN are created equal. ALL Governments are to back off and refrain from dictating. The PEOPLE are to be moral enough to NOT LET tyrants dictate. It is the DUTY of the people to hold their State accountable (house of representatives and senate) and it is the DUTY of the State to hold the Federal Government accountable. The Senator is supposed to be elected by the House of Representatives, not the people. The Senate is responsible for the STATE, not the people. The Senators are supposed to be easily fired if they go against the State. The unconstitutional amendments (17) changed all that. Now they work in cahoots to STEAL more power and money.
          I got off track.
          Sometimes it feels like everything MUST be laid out right this minute, because THIS is the ONLY minute we have left.

  • The hardest yet imo most freeminded thing to do, is to accept someone elses right to their opion or thought no matter how wrong or against yours it is. If you demand or expect anyone else to value or respect your own ideals , you must show the same for theirs, reguardless of which side of what ever topic you are on. The whole co exist thing took along time for me to understand. However for those of us who have been around for awhile , think back about how your thoughts on topics have changed throughtout the years, life like understanding is a trip, not everyone heading to the same place or at the same speed. It is never ok to wish death or kill another person simply because they have an idea that is differant than yours. Embrace the fact that we live in a time and place that so many people can be differant places and have differant ideals. No ones thoughts opions or speach is any more or less valuable. Instead of all this hate we should strive to dind the root of why people are feeling threatened and attempt to either ease those fears or explain in a gentle way why they shouldnt fear something. I have witnessed fresh mass graves , i know that the most evil creatures on this planet are humans with a cause, that beleive their way is the only right one. I dont sleep at night because of what i have seen, and at somepoint i wish more had seen these things so that they could understand how their desires to make everyone like them can have such an effect, but i am so greatful that they didnt because it is something that never leaves you, there is no true happiness after witnessing such things

  • Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it’s an ethos

  • Need a funny?
    Nancy Pelosi explains why we can’t yell “wolf!” in a crowded theater.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92sXx-s-qkg&sns=fb

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