The Defeat of 19 was the Defeat of Big Canna…NOT

Many people who voted against 19 feel that they did so to defeat big corporations taking over the valiantly fought for businesses of small mom and pop farmers.  I only wish they were right about what the defeat really means.  Unfortunately, of course, Oakland’s megagrows forge ahead.  Agramed and its cohorts were created to flourish under the medical marijuana model. And they will.  These huge industrial warehouses will pump out hundreds of pounds per week further flooding a saturated market where prices keep dropping.

Tuesday,  Oakland’s city council, waved the opening flag on a race which could destroy not only small farmers in that city but small farmers here in the Emerald Triangle.  They voted to approve the permitting process for four large factory farms.  Agramed proposes to produce 1/40th of the pot produced in California.  The other three permits will eventually come close to the same numbers.  Meaning that Oakland will produce 1/10 of California’s pot in just 4 places–making corporate weed not just a nightmare but a reality.

Could we please get some legislation that will help mom-and-pot survive?

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  • no surprise , it was inevitable , it`s the American way ..that’s why i don`t understand the people that voted no on 19 for this reason , were they that blind(or stupid) ,to think that a no vote would stop progress , wtf .

  • no surprise , it was inevitable , it`s the American way ..that’s why i don`t understand the people that voted no on 19 for this reason , were they that blind(or stupid) ,to think that a no vote would stop progress , wtf .

  • Mom and Pop need to hire a lobbyist. No one is going to do it for them. Also, Mom and Pop need to clean up, dress up and market themselves professionally. Your model is in the artisan food movement. Give me a willing grower and I can make them the next Laura Chenel.

  • Mom and Pop need to hire a lobbyist. No one is going to do it for them. Also, Mom and Pop need to clean up, dress up and market themselves professionally. Your model is in the artisan food movement. Give me a willing grower and I can make them the next Laura Chenel.

  • I bet we don’t even have to lobby the feds to quash Agramed. Oakland’s vote seems like waving a red fed flag to me, after all their work to scare California voters. Does anyone think they won’t?

  • I bet we don’t even have to lobby the feds to quash Agramed. Oakland’s vote seems like waving a red fed flag to me, after all their work to scare California voters. Does anyone think they won’t?

  • Dumb……You think the feds are going to sit by and watch this go down? CA has arrested 60,000+/- people last year on mj charges and you think this is going to fly? We have Cooly (AG) coming in who wants to shut down as many dispensaries as possible and rewrite the interpretation of 215. Legalization should be real. None of the 1 oz and 25 sft shit….that was wool pulled over your eyes.

    Charlie – I wouldn’t call this progress….its call monopolization.

  • Dumb……You think the feds are going to sit by and watch this go down? CA has arrested 60,000+/- people last year on mj charges and you think this is going to fly? We have Cooly (AG) coming in who wants to shut down as many dispensaries as possible and rewrite the interpretation of 215. Legalization should be real. None of the 1 oz and 25 sft shit….that was wool pulled over your eyes.

    Charlie – I wouldn’t call this progress….its call monopolization.

  • As far as disgusting consumption of water and energy goes, every Costco in the US is already a mega-grow…worse, in my opinion, considering how much of the food piled to the ceiling’s HID lights will have to be thrown out because of america’s gross excess, and how the business caters to upper-crusts of social status. Every new apartment building or retail strip represents horrific volumes of water being flushed daily, unecessary electricity shining light on who cares, and mountains of new trinkets nobody needs. In simple terms, it’s all going to hell in a handbasket. We can only focus our attention any one where at a time, but the status quo is in the air all around us, weaseling it’s suit-and-tie ass 24/7/365 to hussle money from any unsuspecting mark. Just one more mega-anything won’t make a difference, is how they must force themselves to think…and definitely how they guide others to believe. They believe their jersey reads Monkey #100, not yours or mine.

    Personally, I’ll smoke some urbanite’s half assed attempt at closet grown bammer before I’d ever knowingly pack a bowl of warehouse weed. I know I’m not alone in that sentiment. But people will smoke whatever weed they can get and/or afford. They do with food, trinkets, you name it. Hearing that fellow Humboldtians are worried about the price of marijuana makes me sad. The reason prices are down in the first place is simply because more people are growing…and more people will continue to grow. That’s a very good thing. It’s a very important skill to develop anyway, not just for marijuana. It’s a lost cause to fight the price battle…look at beef “farmers”…(I don’t eat meat, btw, but know the difference between steroid pumped objects of capital from caring livestock handlers)…the wholesale price of beef has been the same since the 1970’s, right? Quality Humboldt marijuana will not lose any of its “market appeal”. Even the current anti-humboldt PR doesn’t mean shit, people are waking up to what happened regarding prop. 19 etc. really fast, even if only because the story generates ad revenue for the same people who painted the unflattering portrait of “growers” in the first place.

    Focus the argument against the infrastructure and idealisms that allow the mega-grows to be seen as a good thing in the first place. You could start a full blown riot to stop the megagrows in oakland, they’d only stomp you down and build it next to your house instead just for spite. We let a coscto set up shop here, a huge shopping mall, kmarts and target, apartment buildings and duplexes are in construction all over right now…it’s insanity…at the moment, mega-villages and coastal retail/residential hectares are on our county’s agenda. RIght on our coast, right in our woods, right over our open space. What if this infrastructure suddenly appeared at Machu Picchu? If you think that’s a ridiculous comparison, you don’t think as highly of Humboldt as I do. (Who can afford to go to Machu Picchu whenever they want anyway). Who’s addressing the affects of this infrastructure 50 years down the line? Look at history, it only snowballs. Bad news! THAT’s the threat to all things Humboldt “brand”, including and especially its world’s finest marijuana.

  • As far as disgusting consumption of water and energy goes, every Costco in the US is already a mega-grow…worse, in my opinion, considering how much of the food piled to the ceiling’s HID lights will have to be thrown out because of america’s gross excess, and how the business caters to upper-crusts of social status. Every new apartment building or retail strip represents horrific volumes of water being flushed daily, unecessary electricity shining light on who cares, and mountains of new trinkets nobody needs. In simple terms, it’s all going to hell in a handbasket. We can only focus our attention any one where at a time, but the status quo is in the air all around us, weaseling it’s suit-and-tie ass 24/7/365 to hussle money from any unsuspecting mark. Just one more mega-anything won’t make a difference, is how they must force themselves to think…and definitely how they guide others to believe. They believe their jersey reads Monkey #100, not yours or mine.

    Personally, I’ll smoke some urbanite’s half assed attempt at closet grown bammer before I’d ever knowingly pack a bowl of warehouse weed. I know I’m not alone in that sentiment. But people will smoke whatever weed they can get and/or afford. They do with food, trinkets, you name it. Hearing that fellow Humboldtians are worried about the price of marijuana makes me sad. The reason prices are down in the first place is simply because more people are growing…and more people will continue to grow. That’s a very good thing. It’s a very important skill to develop anyway, not just for marijuana. It’s a lost cause to fight the price battle…look at beef “farmers”…(I don’t eat meat, btw, but know the difference between steroid pumped objects of capital from caring livestock handlers)…the wholesale price of beef has been the same since the 1970’s, right? Quality Humboldt marijuana will not lose any of its “market appeal”. Even the current anti-humboldt PR doesn’t mean shit, people are waking up to what happened regarding prop. 19 etc. really fast, even if only because the story generates ad revenue for the same people who painted the unflattering portrait of “growers” in the first place.

    Focus the argument against the infrastructure and idealisms that allow the mega-grows to be seen as a good thing in the first place. You could start a full blown riot to stop the megagrows in oakland, they’d only stomp you down and build it next to your house instead just for spite. We let a coscto set up shop here, a huge shopping mall, kmarts and target, apartment buildings and duplexes are in construction all over right now…it’s insanity…at the moment, mega-villages and coastal retail/residential hectares are on our county’s agenda. RIght on our coast, right in our woods, right over our open space. What if this infrastructure suddenly appeared at Machu Picchu? If you think that’s a ridiculous comparison, you don’t think as highly of Humboldt as I do. (Who can afford to go to Machu Picchu whenever they want anyway). Who’s addressing the affects of this infrastructure 50 years down the line? Look at history, it only snowballs. Bad news! THAT’s the threat to all things Humboldt “brand”, including and especially its world’s finest marijuana.

  • Has anyone been able to find agramed or igrow on the internet since the defeat of prop 19? I have looked, but both seem to have disappeared. What’s the deal?

  • Has anyone been able to find agramed or igrow on the internet since the defeat of prop 19? I have looked, but both seem to have disappeared. What’s the deal?

  • I also wonder about the Fed’s reaction to Oakland’s in-your-face, see-it-from space grows.

  • I also wonder about the Fed’s reaction to Oakland’s in-your-face, see-it-from space grows.

  • I suspect there’s going to be so much money involved in Warehouse Weed that someone will figure out a way to bribe the Feds into leaving them alone. Does anyone know if any of these proposed Weed Warehouses are actually under construction yet?
    That could give a clue to how confident they are.

    Expensive Wine vs mass produced Gallo.

    Mom & Pop Weed Farmers vs Weed Warehouse operations

    There seems to be a market for both ends of the spectrum.

  • I suspect there’s going to be so much money involved in Warehouse Weed that someone will figure out a way to bribe the Feds into leaving them alone. Does anyone know if any of these proposed Weed Warehouses are actually under construction yet?
    That could give a clue to how confident they are.

    Expensive Wine vs mass produced Gallo.

    Mom & Pop Weed Farmers vs Weed Warehouse operations

    There seems to be a market for both ends of the spectrum.

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  • Check this out, goobers…

    http://www.urbeingrecorded.com/news/2010/10/13/is-ar-ready-for-the-trough-of-disillusionment

    …before you write it off, realize the company was paid well over a million bucks to come up with that chart. Poor people don’t get no charts telling them how to make money from goobers who think they’re too smart to be brainwashed.

  • Check this out, goobers…

    http://www.urbeingrecorded.com/news/2010/10/13/is-ar-ready-for-the-trough-of-disillusionment

    …before you write it off, realize the company was paid well over a million bucks to come up with that chart. Poor people don’t get no charts telling them how to make money from goobers who think they’re too smart to be brainwashed.

  • I can hardly wait to try this mega warehouse weed. Bet it tastes like purple Now and Laters.

  • I can hardly wait to try this mega warehouse weed. Bet it tastes like purple Now and Laters.

  • I think the mega-warehouses, just like the poll results, are baloney. Put it out there, try different spins on it, see what connected people think, plan the next move on a bigger level. Humboldt is already a fishbowl like that. I may or may not know somebody who pretended to be very anti-legalization and talked with the LA times about it, completely as a joke. I thought it was really funny. Some people will do anything for a story, some people will do anything to be in a story, some people will believe anything they read.

    Ever water your plants with 100% fresh blueberry juice? What do YOU think happens?

  • I think the mega-warehouses, just like the poll results, are baloney. Put it out there, try different spins on it, see what connected people think, plan the next move on a bigger level. Humboldt is already a fishbowl like that. I may or may not know somebody who pretended to be very anti-legalization and talked with the LA times about it, completely as a joke. I thought it was really funny. Some people will do anything for a story, some people will do anything to be in a story, some people will believe anything they read.

    Ever water your plants with 100% fresh blueberry juice? What do YOU think happens?

  • Ever water your plants with 100% fresh blueberry juice?

    Is this like smoking banana peels?

    What do YOU think happens?

    In pots… fucks the pH up and attracts rats. Disperses and decomposes in ground. Nothing magic tho, not in the real world.

    • haha, yeah it was a lark of an experiment ages ago but that’s what it’s all about. A thirsty plant watered with pure blueberry juice before harvest didn’t effect smell or taste whatsoever compared to it’s normally treated sisters. No change to pigment either. What if you did pure aloe juice…starting maybe two or three weeks before…hmmm….

      Warehouse weed would probably be pretty crazy, I agree. I’d hate to work in one though, submerged in such a massive electrical field and who knows what contaminant killers. It’s like hanging out in a heavily air conditioned building…just doesn’t feel good or right. To each their own.

      • There are easy ass tricks to making weed taste different but they are all post-harvest things. Right nutrients and right pH do far more when growing than any kinna additives.

        Folks swear by molasses and think that somehow gets right into the plant or some shit. But uh, try molasses in hydro, ain’t doing it. What it does is forms chelates in dirt.

        Can infuse blueberry essence to weed but do that after the weed is dry so it soaks up the oil molecules. What you want is blueberry seed oil, not blueberry juice. Gotta do it real carefully like herbal tea. Ever sweeten a batch of tea with passion fruit skin? Same deal. SWIM does this all the time based on tea knowledge or at least they told me they do.

  • Ever water your plants with 100% fresh blueberry juice?

    Is this like smoking banana peels?

    What do YOU think happens?

    In pots… fucks the pH up and attracts rats. Disperses and decomposes in ground. Nothing magic tho, not in the real world.

    • haha, yeah it was a lark of an experiment ages ago but that’s what it’s all about. A thirsty plant watered with pure blueberry juice before harvest didn’t effect smell or taste whatsoever compared to it’s normally treated sisters. No change to pigment either. What if you did pure aloe juice…starting maybe two or three weeks before…hmmm….

      Warehouse weed would probably be pretty crazy, I agree. I’d hate to work in one though, submerged in such a massive electrical field and who knows what contaminant killers. It’s like hanging out in a heavily air conditioned building…just doesn’t feel good or right. To each their own.

      • There are easy ass tricks to making weed taste different but they are all post-harvest things. Right nutrients and right pH do far more when growing than any kinna additives.

        Folks swear by molasses and think that somehow gets right into the plant or some shit. But uh, try molasses in hydro, ain’t doing it. What it does is forms chelates in dirt.

        Can infuse blueberry essence to weed but do that after the weed is dry so it soaks up the oil molecules. What you want is blueberry seed oil, not blueberry juice. Gotta do it real carefully like herbal tea. Ever sweeten a batch of tea with passion fruit skin? Same deal. SWIM does this all the time based on tea knowledge or at least they told me they do.

  • And I don’t want to believe in magic warehouse weed stories but if it does happen I bet it is some dank. Especially in Oakland. Field o’ grapes.

  • And I don’t want to believe in magic warehouse weed stories but if it does happen I bet it is some dank. Especially in Oakland. Field o’ grapes.

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