Smokers Calling for a Boycott of Emerald Triangle Growers?

Online chat rooms, marijuana blogs, and Facebook roil with accusations of “pot traitors”–folk  who smoke or grow marijuana but voted no on 19. For instance Toke of the Town says,

“So-called “Stoners Against Prop 19” — traitors to the movement such as Dennis Peron, Dragonfly De La Luz and J. Craig Canada — whether through stunning ignorance or outright malice, spread disinformation about exactly what the measure would have done.”

Offered the opportunity to embrace the future, these reactionary elements formed a fifth column within the medical cannabis community.  For who knows what reasons — maybe the miserly interest of preserving big pot profits? — they shamelessly allied themselves with the law enforcement and prison lobbies, with the Religious Right, and with the same intolerant fundamentalists behind the No On 19 campaign — the very same people, in the case of one statewide organization, that headed up the Proposition 8 anti-gay marriage initiative two years ago.

“Legalization of pot rejected, and some people in the community are celebrating,” activist Mickey Martin wrote on Facebook. “So disgusting.”…

Martin on his Cannabis Warrior blog calls for a boycott of all these “traitors.”  He says, “They duped thousands of people into voting against not just their own best interest, but the interests of people across the globe who are counting on California to take this historic step. When Humboldt County votes no to legalizing pot there is a big fucking problem.”

Just at a time when branding Humboldt is beginning to take off–when local mom-and-pop farmers tentatively reach out to buyers with marketing designed to highlight the superior quality of Humboldt Homegrown–the growers of Humboldt have an image problem that may well slice off these new marketeers at their knees.  Richard Lee and Oaksterdam are perceived as the heros of smokers spending millions to legalize pot while the Emerald Triangle’s growers feature in an ugly lineup alongside Law Enforcement and the religious right in the nightmares of the cannabis consumer.

Hostility bubbles hotly throughout the forums.  One commenter named Kevin on the Cannabis Warrior blog spits angrily, “As far as I’m concerned, the DEA can open fire on the Emerald Triangle.”

Another on a Mother Jones story said, “I would encourage all in California to boycott weed grown in the Triangle, the citizens of which voted overwhelmingly against Prop 19 to protect their own profits. Let them choke on their own smoke.”

According to a piece in The Huffington Post,

If growers are against legalization, they can’t be part of the legalization process and now it’s up to them to show good faith support or be left out of the process,” says Conrad, who publishes West Coast Leaf. “That’s just political reality. The growers basically shot themselves in the foot. Prop 19 offered them a legal customer base, a statewide regulatory framework and a local voice to protect their interests. The next campaign is more likely to pitch a more restrictive approach to bring more conservative voters like Asians and housewives, who want heavy-handed controls, and will consider whether growers deserve any consideration at all. Those folks are unreliable at best, traitors to the cause at worst, and possibly a useful target to pit public opinion against as a foil for a winning campaign without a legal cultivation component.

“The growers lost a lot of potential influence on the process by showing a lack of political savvy,” Conrad continues. “They’ll possibly be grouped in with the narcs as being fundamentally opposed to legalization and not worth courting as an ally. So, they will need to come to the table with some proposals on how they would create a legal market for cannabis while protecting their interests, or they will be left out of the next round of decisions.”

Even though the reasons for 19’s loss probably rest with the non-marijuana world, the backlash of pro 19 against anyone perceived as having been anti 19 is building.  What are YOU going to do about it?  I suggest looking to HuMMAP and Humboldt Growers Association and the Mendocino Medical Marijuana Advisory Board for some leadership on how to turn around this perception.

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  • Reverse psychology to fight the reverse psychology. Damn straight Humboldt’s got the MOST EVIL MARIJUANA on the planet! JOIN THE DARK SIDE! The bad guys ALWAYS have cooler looking uniforms! And now, they also smoke the best bud!

    this may well be my last post for a long time, all things internet are once again making me sick. Excellent reads, kym!

  • Reverse psychology to fight the reverse psychology. Damn straight Humboldt’s got the MOST EVIL MARIJUANA on the planet! JOIN THE DARK SIDE! The bad guys ALWAYS have cooler looking uniforms! And now, they also smoke the best bud!

    this may well be my last post for a long time, all things internet are once again making me sick. Excellent reads, kym!

  • Makes sense, right? Throw a fit to get your way and if some people — even perhaps your closest friends — see things differently than you, boycott them! Ruin their lives! After all, that’s what they just did to you! Eye for an eye and all that. Let’s just f over the universe! Wheee!!!! TANTRUM BABIES UNITE!!!!!

  • Makes sense, right? Throw a fit to get your way and if some people — even perhaps your closest friends — see things differently than you, boycott them! Ruin their lives! After all, that’s what they just did to you! Eye for an eye and all that. Let’s just f over the universe! Wheee!!!! TANTRUM BABIES UNITE!!!!!

  • Kym, I know they weren’t your words, but I get so tired of being shoved into a crappy group of people because I don’t agree with someone’s politics.
    I’m not a member of the Religious Right. That is a laugh riot right there.
    I’m not in law enforcement nor am I part of the prison lobby. I am, and have been for a while, someone who has seen pot’s complete destruction of another human being and the people around them. No ad depicting pot as “harmless” will sway me. No argument that organic pot is ‘better” will bring me over to the grower’s side.
    Cancer and AIDS victims? Yes. As a prescription, regulated, taxed and distributed by a MEDICAL doctor.
    I’m not going to go all Carrie Nation on you, but I will say this. Alcohol is one of the leading dangerous drugs on the list of mind altering substances. It’s also the only one that’s recreational and legal.
    So, we make pot legal, make it easy for people to smoke up. Watch pot climb the list and get up there with booze.
    I don’t want blood on my hands. I voted no because I don’t believe pot is harmless. Don’t categorize me as a religious fruitcake. I’m just a regular person who doesn’t want that shit in my house, my neighborhood or my kid’s schools.
    Alcohol is hard enough to deal with.

  • Kym, I know they weren’t your words, but I get so tired of being shoved into a crappy group of people because I don’t agree with someone’s politics.
    I’m not a member of the Religious Right. That is a laugh riot right there.
    I’m not in law enforcement nor am I part of the prison lobby. I am, and have been for a while, someone who has seen pot’s complete destruction of another human being and the people around them. No ad depicting pot as “harmless” will sway me. No argument that organic pot is ‘better” will bring me over to the grower’s side.
    Cancer and AIDS victims? Yes. As a prescription, regulated, taxed and distributed by a MEDICAL doctor.
    I’m not going to go all Carrie Nation on you, but I will say this. Alcohol is one of the leading dangerous drugs on the list of mind altering substances. It’s also the only one that’s recreational and legal.
    So, we make pot legal, make it easy for people to smoke up. Watch pot climb the list and get up there with booze.
    I don’t want blood on my hands. I voted no because I don’t believe pot is harmless. Don’t categorize me as a religious fruitcake. I’m just a regular person who doesn’t want that shit in my house, my neighborhood or my kid’s schools.
    Alcohol is hard enough to deal with.

  • oh shit, it’s too late…I’ve been infected, gotta jump on the bandwagon. Screw this trapazoid, I’m gonna become a milwaukeean grower someday. milwaukeean growers got it good.

  • oh shit, it’s too late…I’ve been infected, gotta jump on the bandwagon. Screw this trapazoid, I’m gonna become a milwaukeean grower someday. milwaukeean growers got it good.

  • too late Jen it is everywhere and easier for kids to get than beer…

  • too late Jen it is everywhere and easier for kids to get than beer…

  • “Humboldtlocal” makes me want to take pics. I’m too scared tho.

    The straw planting style is so thug. I wonder if dude uses the leftover for potatoes too.

  • “Humboldtlocal” makes me want to take pics. I’m too scared tho.

    The straw planting style is so thug. I wonder if dude uses the leftover for potatoes too.

  • It’s such common knowledge that whatever’s on the forefront of a person’s psyche is gonna be whatever they pass along their own goods and bads…the hip term today is “projection”…I’m not paying attention to drowning dolphins right now, so they’re in no way related to my new insights and/or shortcomings. So things aren’t too great for anybody right now….nobody’s got a lot of money, especially compared to 10 years ago. For those who have been keeping track, anyway. It’s dawning on people that “the money’s not coming back, and it never will, ever.” and with the relatively new addition of the internet, are saying it to eachother across a very broad spectrum. So some royal somebody throws marijuana into the light, with a proposition to “finally” ? “legalize” ? it. Forced into a yes and no, our own goods and bads decide its fate in our mind, because we’re not paying attention to drowning dolphins instead (like we should be). The broad spectrum of attention has reached a national level, but if you look closely, so have tons of “popular issues”, along with drowning dolphins, that each receive their sliver of attention. The internet allows rapid cross-issue interface at telewarp speeds neverbefore known to human kind. We’re watching tv together in a living room the size of wherever there’s the internet. Our subconscience can’t be fooled though, we are again pitted against eachother, both “sides” still being told what to do instead of really having any decision making power….on whether or not anybody can grow marijuana and smoke it…and yeah, sell it if they want to…without being hassled for it.

  • It’s such common knowledge that whatever’s on the forefront of a person’s psyche is gonna be whatever they pass along their own goods and bads…the hip term today is “projection”…I’m not paying attention to drowning dolphins right now, so they’re in no way related to my new insights and/or shortcomings. So things aren’t too great for anybody right now….nobody’s got a lot of money, especially compared to 10 years ago. For those who have been keeping track, anyway. It’s dawning on people that “the money’s not coming back, and it never will, ever.” and with the relatively new addition of the internet, are saying it to eachother across a very broad spectrum. So some royal somebody throws marijuana into the light, with a proposition to “finally” ? “legalize” ? it. Forced into a yes and no, our own goods and bads decide its fate in our mind, because we’re not paying attention to drowning dolphins instead (like we should be). The broad spectrum of attention has reached a national level, but if you look closely, so have tons of “popular issues”, along with drowning dolphins, that each receive their sliver of attention. The internet allows rapid cross-issue interface at telewarp speeds neverbefore known to human kind. We’re watching tv together in a living room the size of wherever there’s the internet. Our subconscience can’t be fooled though, we are again pitted against eachother, both “sides” still being told what to do instead of really having any decision making power….on whether or not anybody can grow marijuana and smoke it…and yeah, sell it if they want to…without being hassled for it.

  • reread what I wrote, nevermind simplifying. Think of this…what insentive in these “reports” do these “growers” have, who not only suddenly and rapidly had their portraits painted for them, very unflattering at that, to want to assimilate into “the norm”? Especially right after being teased with the notion that it might even be welcomed, recognized as a small victory for everybody? If somebody is saying a party of people are negative, and somebody is influenced by that, whether to think that party is negative, or people of that perty being made to believe they are percieved as such, hurts everybody. Influential media outlets are intentionally hyping a perspective knowing full well the contagious polar results that will occure in human behavior…this “social networking”. This goes for everything that’s “in the media” at any given time…there’s a little bit of something for everybody who tries to pay attention to be distracted.

  • reread what I wrote, nevermind simplifying. Think of this…what insentive in these “reports” do these “growers” have, who not only suddenly and rapidly had their portraits painted for them, very unflattering at that, to want to assimilate into “the norm”? Especially right after being teased with the notion that it might even be welcomed, recognized as a small victory for everybody? If somebody is saying a party of people are negative, and somebody is influenced by that, whether to think that party is negative, or people of that perty being made to believe they are percieved as such, hurts everybody. Influential media outlets are intentionally hyping a perspective knowing full well the contagious polar results that will occure in human behavior…this “social networking”. This goes for everything that’s “in the media” at any given time…there’s a little bit of something for everybody who tries to pay attention to be distracted.

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  • Fascinating post Kym.

  • Fascinating post Kym.

  • Well I live in Arcata and proudly voted for prop 19 knowing full well the financial ramifications. All these fake ass rastas around here are the ones that ran around like headless chickens shrieking conspiracy theories about philip morris and monsanto. The real humboldtians are all for taking our business out into the light of day! It’s a cultural problem that unites conservatives and liberals against the rest of us….

    • um, actually, the contracts with Monsanto and the patents on the genetics are already in place, via the U.of Miss. which is the only place authorized by the Federal govt. to produce cannabis, and their suppliers, GW Pharma and HortaPharm in the E.U. who hold the contracts and are doing business with Monsanto.

      • That’s wrong.

        The Monsanto connection is a rumor. What Skunkman allegedly does is not like Monsanto. Monsanto makes tech to “copy protect” seeds. This technology may renew genetic interest in low-value crops but I hardly see it moving into cannabis as cannabis is largely done by cuttings with difficult to breed recessive traits esp. taste traits.

        The best seed companies don’t do shit like this anyway.

  • Well I live in Arcata and proudly voted for prop 19 knowing full well the financial ramifications. All these fake ass rastas around here are the ones that ran around like headless chickens shrieking conspiracy theories about philip morris and monsanto. The real humboldtians are all for taking our business out into the light of day! It’s a cultural problem that unites conservatives and liberals against the rest of us….

    • um, actually, the contracts with Monsanto and the patents on the genetics are already in place, via the U.of Miss. which is the only place authorized by the Federal govt. to produce cannabis, and their suppliers, GW Pharma and HortaPharm in the E.U. who hold the contracts and are doing business with Monsanto.

      • That’s wrong.

        The Monsanto connection is a rumor. What Skunkman allegedly does is not like Monsanto. Monsanto makes tech to “copy protect” seeds. This technology may renew genetic interest in low-value crops but I hardly see it moving into cannabis as cannabis is largely done by cuttings with difficult to breed recessive traits esp. taste traits.

        The best seed companies don’t do shit like this anyway.

  • Humboldt and Mendo voted more in favor of Prop 19 than the state average, and still some bigots flame us. Big news. Everyone should remember the fatuous coverage of Anna’s “What’s After Pot” meeting, when reporters came up here with their stories already written under some headline like “Outlaws Against Legalization.” Some just weren’t interested in reality.

    Now again we see the depths of bigotry some people think from. I agree with poor Un-Named, these bitter projections are nothing we can argue with. They are undigestible burps from the semi-collective unconscious, and the smell dissipates quickly.

    • the semi-collective unconscious

      LOL! What in the world does he think he’s talking about?

    • haha, longwind…don’t cry for me there is no hope. I’m poor in the literal sense, but fortunately that’s it…as far as I know anyway. The internet is different things to different people.

      What sucks is how right from prop. 19’s get go, the media hit the ground running, telling everybody what to think…and it worked. Sohum growers were actually made to believe their lifestyles were in jeopardy, people were actually made to believe marijuana was suddenly going to be okay to grow and smoke without hassle. Prices were down waaay before prop. 19 was even conceptualized. Very few people…very very few…knew about the authors of prop. 19 and how it came to be. It was like a huge business deal involving lots of financial crunchwork, demographic studies…literally people working full time for over a year in the state capital figuring out just how to create what they describe as a compromise, but really is a purposely polar poke in the brain to see what happens and how to do whatever they’ll do next. “They” being big money movers shaking hands with politicians…lawd noze the gubmunt nevah juss gibes da people wud we want fo free, let alone without havin ta beg fo it foist.

      The guy in the pic above…is that Mom or Pop? Very nice plants, and I’m sure it’s a killer strain…but they’re being grown for quantity over quality…I know this because I see real quality, and growers like him are no “threat” to whatever that entails. I think that’s the first time I’ve typed the word “entail” maybe ever.

  • Humboldt and Mendo voted more in favor of Prop 19 than the state average, and still some bigots flame us. Big news. Everyone should remember the fatuous coverage of Anna’s “What’s After Pot” meeting, when reporters came up here with their stories already written under some headline like “Outlaws Against Legalization.” Some just weren’t interested in reality.

    Now again we see the depths of bigotry some people think from. I agree with poor Un-Named, these bitter projections are nothing we can argue with. They are undigestible burps from the semi-collective unconscious, and the smell dissipates quickly.

    • the semi-collective unconscious

      LOL! What in the world does he think he’s talking about?

    • haha, longwind…don’t cry for me there is no hope. I’m poor in the literal sense, but fortunately that’s it…as far as I know anyway. The internet is different things to different people.

      What sucks is how right from prop. 19’s get go, the media hit the ground running, telling everybody what to think…and it worked. Sohum growers were actually made to believe their lifestyles were in jeopardy, people were actually made to believe marijuana was suddenly going to be okay to grow and smoke without hassle. Prices were down waaay before prop. 19 was even conceptualized. Very few people…very very few…knew about the authors of prop. 19 and how it came to be. It was like a huge business deal involving lots of financial crunchwork, demographic studies…literally people working full time for over a year in the state capital figuring out just how to create what they describe as a compromise, but really is a purposely polar poke in the brain to see what happens and how to do whatever they’ll do next. “They” being big money movers shaking hands with politicians…lawd noze the gubmunt nevah juss gibes da people wud we want fo free, let alone without havin ta beg fo it foist.

      The guy in the pic above…is that Mom or Pop? Very nice plants, and I’m sure it’s a killer strain…but they’re being grown for quantity over quality…I know this because I see real quality, and growers like him are no “threat” to whatever that entails. I think that’s the first time I’ve typed the word “entail” maybe ever.

  • One of our locals made the Chron(icle) today in the letters section. Charlotte said the reason many of us voted against prop 19 was that WE READ IT. She said it made for more felonies, using the example of smoking in front of a sixteen year old.

  • One of our locals made the Chron(icle) today in the letters section. Charlotte said the reason many of us voted against prop 19 was that WE READ IT. She said it made for more felonies, using the example of smoking in front of a sixteen year old.

  • Why not just read why we were against Prop19 understanding that our goal is truly for all adults to grow untaxed or unregulated. Please tell me what is wrong with that?

    Why Re-Legalization Activists Should Vote NO on PROP19
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6rdG4w3Vo

    MERP Headquarters
    The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy Project (MRPP)= “MERP”
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm

    “NO” On Prop19 “YES” on CCHH & MERP
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/NoOnProp19.htm

    PROPOSITION 19, MONSANTO, AND GMO TERMINATOR CANNABIS
    http://community.kpfz.org/node/17

    Fax to Your Representatives to Immediately Re-Legalize Marijuana:
    http://www.change.org/actions/view/petition_for_the_immediate_re-legalization_of_marijuana#

    19 reasons to vote NO on 19:
    http://www.votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com

    Jack Herer’s CCHH 2012 Initiative:
    http://www.youthfederation.com/cchhi2012.html

    Working Group Against Prop19 and For CCHH and MERP
    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GlobalMarijuanaReLegalization/

    Re-Legalize Marijuana Self-Cultivation Without Taxation (Like Beer)
    http://www.causes.com/causes/339097

    Monsanto’s Fall: The End of GMO Seed Industry? (Oct 12, 2010)
    http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=123&contentid=7416

    • Bruce, I think that sounds good. Just like letting people who are in jail for non-violent cannabis offenses out sounds good. I am not convinced that we’ll be able to get such a proposition on the ballot, much less pass it.

      I’m sorry that people didn’t vote for Prop 19 because they think it didn’t go far enough.

  • Why not just read why we were against Prop19 understanding that our goal is truly for all adults to grow untaxed or unregulated. Please tell me what is wrong with that?

    Why Re-Legalization Activists Should Vote NO on PROP19
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6rdG4w3Vo

    MERP Headquarters
    The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy Project (MRPP)= “MERP”
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm

    “NO” On Prop19 “YES” on CCHH & MERP
    http://www.newagecitizen.com/NoOnProp19.htm

    PROPOSITION 19, MONSANTO, AND GMO TERMINATOR CANNABIS
    http://community.kpfz.org/node/17

    Fax to Your Representatives to Immediately Re-Legalize Marijuana:
    http://www.change.org/actions/view/petition_for_the_immediate_re-legalization_of_marijuana#

    19 reasons to vote NO on 19:
    http://www.votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com

    Jack Herer’s CCHH 2012 Initiative:
    http://www.youthfederation.com/cchhi2012.html

    Working Group Against Prop19 and For CCHH and MERP
    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GlobalMarijuanaReLegalization/

    Re-Legalize Marijuana Self-Cultivation Without Taxation (Like Beer)
    http://www.causes.com/causes/339097

    Monsanto’s Fall: The End of GMO Seed Industry? (Oct 12, 2010)
    http://conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=123&contentid=7416

    • Bruce, I think that sounds good. Just like letting people who are in jail for non-violent cannabis offenses out sounds good. I am not convinced that we’ll be able to get such a proposition on the ballot, much less pass it.

      I’m sorry that people didn’t vote for Prop 19 because they think it didn’t go far enough.

  • for the fun of it

    I just spent (or wasted depending on how you look at it) a full hour reading about this boycott. I came away with a wretched taste of hypocrisy and hatred. Idk when marijuana supporters became fascist promoters of haters? I am a supporter of weed, almost everyone I know believes weed should be legalized, however, we did not all vote the same on November 2nd. Because of these differences of opinion I am not now refusing to talk or shop somewhere bc I don’t like someones view. We are not now wishing death and/or harm to those on the opposite side of the issue. I thought weed was about peace and health, love and community? When supposed weed supporters post , “They all need to hang!!!!!!!!!! Selfish BASTARDS!!!!!!” and “Stop paying for her to be a professional stoner. GET a JOB BIATCH!” and “…and go and jump off a bridge so that when the next vote comes around they’re not here to screw it up for everyone else.”, I’m wondering when was the last time they smoked some herb? To generalize and say the same people that voted no on 19 voted no on gay marriage is not only a lie but just plain ignorant. I voted yes on gay marriage, no on prop 19. I am pro weed but was anti prop 19. I’ve had friends imprisoned, homes raided, acquaintances shot. So why didn’t I vote yes on 19? Wouldn’t it have solved all of these problems? In my opinion, no, that’s why I voted no. Aren’t I entitled to my vote regardless of my reasons? Aren’t businesses entitled to take a stand? So if my local club voted against prop 19 bc they didn’t like the fine print, bc they wanted a true legalization of weed, you are now promoting the boycott of their business? Hey, you r entitled. It’s your right. Feel free. Just as it’s your right to be narrow-minded. Go ahead and boycott the Emerald Triangle, the people that had the balls to now make it ok for you to get your script in the first place. We were here homesteading, running from the DEA, our children murdered, our neighbors robbed, putting our lives and freedom on the line for this weed that you now stand in a club to buy. No thanks necessary.

    • HK’s Fiance here:

      “I’ve had friends imprisoned, homes raided, acquaintances shot. So why didn’t I vote yes on 19? Wouldn’t it have solved all of these problems? In my opinion, no, that’s why I voted no. Aren’t I entitled to my vote regardless of my reasons? Aren’t businesses entitled to take a stand? So if my local club voted against prop 19 bc they didn’t like the fine print, bc they wanted a true legalization of weed, you are now promoting the boycott of their business? Hey, you r entitled. It’s your right. Feel free. Just as it’s your right to be narrow-minded. Go ahead and boycott the Emerald Triangle, the people that had the balls to now make it ok for you to get your script in the first place. We were here homesteading, running from the DEA, our children murdered, our neighbors robbed, putting our lives and freedom on the line for this weed that you now stand in a club to buy. No thanks necessary.”

      When you made the CHOICE to risk your life and the lives of your chldren it was a conscious choice. You had to have known the dangers and risks involved. Don’t try to pass if off as providing a service to those in need. You did it for one reason and one reason only, GREED! You went after the money like so many others and you and yours have paid the price. Now that so many people are finding out just how easy it really is to grow your own they are starting to get pissed off at the prices they have been paying, especially now with the economy what it is. One thing is for sure…you’ll get no thanks from me. I will not thank a person that is willing to risk not only losing their children to CPS but to that life for money. Only the greediest of souls would do such a thing. I make the choice not to move there and grow 30 years ago and the more I think about it the more I am glad that I did. I have often wondered what my life would have been like, I surely would have had more money but would I have been any happier. It must suck to live in constant fear, so tell me……….has it been worth it? Is the money really worth the constant stress that you must live with, is it worth the loss of life you, your friends and family have suffered? Is the money worth the stress your kids live with from the time they learn the truth about your lives? Tell me honestly that you think it is and I’ll tell you honestly what I think of people like you that are willing to take such risks because they are greedy. Thanks but no thanks, I’d rahter be poor.

      • It is my choice, as you have your choices. I wasn’t asking for gratitude from you, who obviously is against this cultural choice. I was stating that those in favor of prop 19 that are now blaming the emerald triangle for the failure of the legalization of marijuana take a closer look. County wide we voted higher than the state average but regardless, we have been in the forefront of marijuana and medical marijuana for decades. Those wanting legalization would do well to remember the people that in the face of great adversity stood up for this culture, whether for financial gain or not. My vote against prop 19 wasn’t to keep me rich, I’m far from it. It wasn’t based on fear. It was an educated decision and my personal choice. That is what I was stating. I have read several of your comments on this blog and can only assume you have grandchildren being affected negatively by the marijuana industry. For that I am sorry for your family. Obviously from that place of hurt you make assumptions which are probably so rooted that nothing anyone says can or will change your mind. However, your reality is not mine. I have been born and raised here, let roam free to experience this world we inhabit and yet I choose to live and raise a family here. No, not for the industry, but for the community. Whether you know it or not, there are amazing, caring, beautiful people here who choose not to bind themselves to a corporate ladder. The risks here are great, but we do what we can to minimize them. I don’t like seeing my friends go to jail, I don’t believe the cops should be able to bust down my door and take my children for the plant I have in the back yard. If there was a measure on the ballot that changed that regardless of how it affected me financially, I’d vote for it. Do you think the people in Florida are child abusers bc their lives could be lost to a hurricane? They choose to live there, they put there children in harms way, they chance having their homes and lives destroyed. Is that different? They make a choice and do what they can to minimize the risks for a place they believe is beautiful, I am no different. As I type this my youngest child kisses my cheek, clad in his flannel pajamas, belly full, ready for some snuggle time on a Friday night. This same child is a well-mannered, intelligent young man who has perfect attendance and can go on and on about the people that love him. He knows that the plants in the back yard are medicine but he isn’t involved with them at all. He knows that his Dad works hard at a job that he goes to everyday for over a decade, and he also works hard in the backyard. There has been no negative in my child’s life bc of where we live, and I hope it remains that way, but there has been huge positives my children have received from this area. I am sorry that through your frustration and pain you cannot see that.

        • Fiance Here:

          “We were here homesteading, running from the DEA, our children murdered, our neighbors robbed, putting our lives and freedom on the line for this weed that you now stand in a club to buy. No thanks necessary.”

          To me this line says that you are asking for thanks. You are saying, with this line that the rest of the “smokers” in the country owe you. Like I said, it was and is a choice you made and I don’t think any of you made it as a public service. Its all about the money and always has been, other wise you’d be giving your product to the needy.

          It is a cultural choice and your right one I don’t believe in. It is not my grandchild or children in Humboldt, it’s my stepdaughter and I see the damage done to her and her friends by being raised in that culture. they have all been taught to lie from the beginning, they will lie to you even when the truth would be a better answer. This has caused many problems in our family, she gets in trouble with us for lying and her mother for not.

          You can’t compare chosing to break the law as a way of life and jeopardizing your family and children to living in Florida and dodging hurricanes or living there and dodging earthquakes. There are natual dangers in all parts of the world. When you choose to live in an outlaw culture you are making the choice to place not only yourself but your children in danger. There is the danger of being caught and going to jail, there is the danger of home invasions or being ripped off and killed for your product. (See other blog on the most recent home invasion robbery) Trying to compare making that choice to living in Florida is like comparing apples to computers….can’t be done.

          I used to be all for you guys, I used to think that my stepdaughter was better off being raised there. All these years later, between the lies she and her mother have told and the lies that her teachers and others in your community have told to cover up her mothers abuse and neglect have changed my mind. It is the people I have come to know there from Judges to Therapist and teachers that have changed my mind about what it is like to be raised there. You do have a tight community, its too tight, you like so many others chose to go back and I suspect its because you couldn’t make it in the outside world.

  • for the fun of it

    I just spent (or wasted depending on how you look at it) a full hour reading about this boycott. I came away with a wretched taste of hypocrisy and hatred. Idk when marijuana supporters became fascist promoters of haters? I am a supporter of weed, almost everyone I know believes weed should be legalized, however, we did not all vote the same on November 2nd. Because of these differences of opinion I am not now refusing to talk or shop somewhere bc I don’t like someones view. We are not now wishing death and/or harm to those on the opposite side of the issue. I thought weed was about peace and health, love and community? When supposed weed supporters post , “They all need to hang!!!!!!!!!! Selfish BASTARDS!!!!!!” and “Stop paying for her to be a professional stoner. GET a JOB BIATCH!” and “…and go and jump off a bridge so that when the next vote comes around they’re not here to screw it up for everyone else.”, I’m wondering when was the last time they smoked some herb? To generalize and say the same people that voted no on 19 voted no on gay marriage is not only a lie but just plain ignorant. I voted yes on gay marriage, no on prop 19. I am pro weed but was anti prop 19. I’ve had friends imprisoned, homes raided, acquaintances shot. So why didn’t I vote yes on 19? Wouldn’t it have solved all of these problems? In my opinion, no, that’s why I voted no. Aren’t I entitled to my vote regardless of my reasons? Aren’t businesses entitled to take a stand? So if my local club voted against prop 19 bc they didn’t like the fine print, bc they wanted a true legalization of weed, you are now promoting the boycott of their business? Hey, you r entitled. It’s your right. Feel free. Just as it’s your right to be narrow-minded. Go ahead and boycott the Emerald Triangle, the people that had the balls to now make it ok for you to get your script in the first place. We were here homesteading, running from the DEA, our children murdered, our neighbors robbed, putting our lives and freedom on the line for this weed that you now stand in a club to buy. No thanks necessary.

    • HK’s Fiance here:

      “I’ve had friends imprisoned, homes raided, acquaintances shot. So why didn’t I vote yes on 19? Wouldn’t it have solved all of these problems? In my opinion, no, that’s why I voted no. Aren’t I entitled to my vote regardless of my reasons? Aren’t businesses entitled to take a stand? So if my local club voted against prop 19 bc they didn’t like the fine print, bc they wanted a true legalization of weed, you are now promoting the boycott of their business? Hey, you r entitled. It’s your right. Feel free. Just as it’s your right to be narrow-minded. Go ahead and boycott the Emerald Triangle, the people that had the balls to now make it ok for you to get your script in the first place. We were here homesteading, running from the DEA, our children murdered, our neighbors robbed, putting our lives and freedom on the line for this weed that you now stand in a club to buy. No thanks necessary.”

      When you made the CHOICE to risk your life and the lives of your chldren it was a conscious choice. You had to have known the dangers and risks involved. Don’t try to pass if off as providing a service to those in need. You did it for one reason and one reason only, GREED! You went after the money like so many others and you and yours have paid the price. Now that so many people are finding out just how easy it really is to grow your own they are starting to get pissed off at the prices they have been paying, especially now with the economy what it is. One thing is for sure…you’ll get no thanks from me. I will not thank a person that is willing to risk not only losing their children to CPS but to that life for money. Only the greediest of souls would do such a thing. I make the choice not to move there and grow 30 years ago and the more I think about it the more I am glad that I did. I have often wondered what my life would have been like, I surely would have had more money but would I have been any happier. It must suck to live in constant fear, so tell me……….has it been worth it? Is the money really worth the constant stress that you must live with, is it worth the loss of life you, your friends and family have suffered? Is the money worth the stress your kids live with from the time they learn the truth about your lives? Tell me honestly that you think it is and I’ll tell you honestly what I think of people like you that are willing to take such risks because they are greedy. Thanks but no thanks, I’d rahter be poor.

      • It is my choice, as you have your choices. I wasn’t asking for gratitude from you, who obviously is against this cultural choice. I was stating that those in favor of prop 19 that are now blaming the emerald triangle for the failure of the legalization of marijuana take a closer look. County wide we voted higher than the state average but regardless, we have been in the forefront of marijuana and medical marijuana for decades. Those wanting legalization would do well to remember the people that in the face of great adversity stood up for this culture, whether for financial gain or not. My vote against prop 19 wasn’t to keep me rich, I’m far from it. It wasn’t based on fear. It was an educated decision and my personal choice. That is what I was stating. I have read several of your comments on this blog and can only assume you have grandchildren being affected negatively by the marijuana industry. For that I am sorry for your family. Obviously from that place of hurt you make assumptions which are probably so rooted that nothing anyone says can or will change your mind. However, your reality is not mine. I have been born and raised here, let roam free to experience this world we inhabit and yet I choose to live and raise a family here. No, not for the industry, but for the community. Whether you know it or not, there are amazing, caring, beautiful people here who choose not to bind themselves to a corporate ladder. The risks here are great, but we do what we can to minimize them. I don’t like seeing my friends go to jail, I don’t believe the cops should be able to bust down my door and take my children for the plant I have in the back yard. If there was a measure on the ballot that changed that regardless of how it affected me financially, I’d vote for it. Do you think the people in Florida are child abusers bc their lives could be lost to a hurricane? They choose to live there, they put there children in harms way, they chance having their homes and lives destroyed. Is that different? They make a choice and do what they can to minimize the risks for a place they believe is beautiful, I am no different. As I type this my youngest child kisses my cheek, clad in his flannel pajamas, belly full, ready for some snuggle time on a Friday night. This same child is a well-mannered, intelligent young man who has perfect attendance and can go on and on about the people that love him. He knows that the plants in the back yard are medicine but he isn’t involved with them at all. He knows that his Dad works hard at a job that he goes to everyday for over a decade, and he also works hard in the backyard. There has been no negative in my child’s life bc of where we live, and I hope it remains that way, but there has been huge positives my children have received from this area. I am sorry that through your frustration and pain you cannot see that.

        • Fiance Here:

          “We were here homesteading, running from the DEA, our children murdered, our neighbors robbed, putting our lives and freedom on the line for this weed that you now stand in a club to buy. No thanks necessary.”

          To me this line says that you are asking for thanks. You are saying, with this line that the rest of the “smokers” in the country owe you. Like I said, it was and is a choice you made and I don’t think any of you made it as a public service. Its all about the money and always has been, other wise you’d be giving your product to the needy.

          It is a cultural choice and your right one I don’t believe in. It is not my grandchild or children in Humboldt, it’s my stepdaughter and I see the damage done to her and her friends by being raised in that culture. they have all been taught to lie from the beginning, they will lie to you even when the truth would be a better answer. This has caused many problems in our family, she gets in trouble with us for lying and her mother for not.

          You can’t compare chosing to break the law as a way of life and jeopardizing your family and children to living in Florida and dodging hurricanes or living there and dodging earthquakes. There are natual dangers in all parts of the world. When you choose to live in an outlaw culture you are making the choice to place not only yourself but your children in danger. There is the danger of being caught and going to jail, there is the danger of home invasions or being ripped off and killed for your product. (See other blog on the most recent home invasion robbery) Trying to compare making that choice to living in Florida is like comparing apples to computers….can’t be done.

          I used to be all for you guys, I used to think that my stepdaughter was better off being raised there. All these years later, between the lies she and her mother have told and the lies that her teachers and others in your community have told to cover up her mothers abuse and neglect have changed my mind. It is the people I have come to know there from Judges to Therapist and teachers that have changed my mind about what it is like to be raised there. You do have a tight community, its too tight, you like so many others chose to go back and I suspect its because you couldn’t make it in the outside world.

  • generational Humboldt growers know the ins and outs of proposition 19 better than anybody…the roots of their culture are in paying attention to all things marijuana. Whereas “the media” is hyping this idea that a negative vote…especially from humboldt “growers”…demonstratec selfishness, it really shows how poorly most people knew what was up with the pile of “compromise” before them. Among many examples, including that nobody would be retroactively released from incarceration, what would it be to suddenly and ironically criminalize parents in front of their children under the ages of 21? Right across the board, after an eternity of common sense? bla bla bla. or it makes for a good story.

  • generational Humboldt growers know the ins and outs of proposition 19 better than anybody…the roots of their culture are in paying attention to all things marijuana. Whereas “the media” is hyping this idea that a negative vote…especially from humboldt “growers”…demonstratec selfishness, it really shows how poorly most people knew what was up with the pile of “compromise” before them. Among many examples, including that nobody would be retroactively released from incarceration, what would it be to suddenly and ironically criminalize parents in front of their children under the ages of 21? Right across the board, after an eternity of common sense? bla bla bla. or it makes for a good story.

  • This picture really really sucks. I don’t know what you are thinking of, exhibiting a picture of some creep showing off his compensatory phallic symbol. Maybe you’ll also treat us to a picture of his big truck. Barf.

    • I love the way you use positive reinforcement to reach out and spread the love around. ;> I thought he was quite handsome and so was the plant.

      • You don’t really like to think about things, do you? You prefer to avoid the issue by making a snarky comment rather than responding to what in my mind is a serious problem. I see that disgusting image as a prime symbol of the downfall of Humboldt’s young adults. It’d make a nice cover picture for an article or book exposing and analyzing the psychological instability, spiritual shallowness, and commercial greed of the latest faze of the Humboldt pot culture. But I’m afraid that must be way over your head. Sorry if I disturbed you or popped your bubble by taking a serious look at the imagery that you seem to think is in some way positive to the marijuana culture’s evolution. Personally, I think it’s a good illustration of the disease that has ravaged the scene. Like I said, all you need is another picture of his big truck sitting up on oversized tires next to it.

        • Fiance here:

          I still love you Suzy……..you are so right!

          • -thanks fiance, for seeing my point, it’s simple, but Kym doesn’t want to confront it, instead she makes snarky comments and then gets defensive. Like i said, she doesn’t really think about things, like phallic symbols, or what is or is not compensatory. When i wrote of the image and the stereotype that she published she ignored the point about what she’d done and instead switched the subject to defending the person who posed for the picture, and accusing me of being the one doing the stereotyping! lol! Talk about projection –sheesh. She thinks that i am attacking the person in the picture? hello? Like i’m attacking her team or something, her family. Duh, i was clearly talking about the creepy image that she posted, for all i knew from what she showed and wrote, the real life person who posed for the photo image could’ve been anyone. So what does she do? she pretends to get her back up and display a righteous indignation, taking the stance of moral superiority, in order to conveniently avoid discussing the impact that her imagery propels. (“He’s not a symbol to her”, what?! Apparently she doesn’t know what she’s doing.) Instead she takes a fake moral high ground, as usual, and heroically pretends to stand up for her neighbor. Does anyone really fall for that kind of crap? I guess she fools herself into believing that there is some kind of commendable camaraderie that excuses her picture, i don’t know, but it’s easily seen by any aware person that her tactic of changing the subject and actually calling me the one who is stereotyping is just another decoy that she uses in her denial game.

            i don’t have any reason to think that she’ll be able to make an intelligent response to this because she is either unable to understand the image’s impact, or is just blindly continuing down the path of the same old destructive imaging which promotes a negative paradigm that’s gone on for half a century –same old shit, but now the product behind the excuse for her ilk’s submission to the cultural chauvinism is marijuana, instead of Marlboros.

            i am glad that at least there are thinking people like you out there who are able to detach enough from a commercial pot industry’s spokesperson’s misguided view, which continues to spit on the innate respectability of humans while abusing the sacredness of an empowering herb, to see the significance of this seemingly harmless image of a nice boy from across the street who grew a jumbo plant.

            • Mexican brickweed didn’t lower kym’s family’s “market value”…the guy in the picture above did. I’m sure he realizes he’s lucky in life and all that jazz., who wouldn’t in his shoes?

    • There is a lot going on here.
      The grow that Kym pictured is discussed extensively elsewhere on the net. To me, it’s a mixed bag.

      Dude’s been growing since he was 14 and now can do it under 215, take his know-how, get some investment, get hooked up with a club and get a steady buyer for his herb. What a cool thing on that score.

      The fellow also scores points with me because he reached out to others and took them along for the ride. Many people surely learned techniques from the photos and discussions that accompanied the grow. (I did.)

      The grow is also apparently organic.

      I was happy to learn that some of this organic outdoor is going to clubs in the Sacto area…between that and the video that Jorge Cervantes did of the grow, maybe it will help people see the value of outdoor herb.

      On the other hand, it appears that this outdoor, like much other, is being treated as second-class, made part of giveaways and stuff. Good for those who like it, since the price is lower, but bad for those who care about the future of a sustainable cannabis industry. (I haven’t visited the club that has it to confirm this.)

      It is interesting that Kym chose the most thuggish pic of the guy. There are many others (without the hat) where he looks more like some yuppie dude trimming his hedges, except that they’re cannabis.

      I think that Suzy’s reading is acerbic but valid. There is a kind of masculinity transmitted in the photo that she has put her finger on. For me, hardly a surprise from a Humboldt local who’s been growing since 14, even if it was hammed up a bit.

      I actually feel poignancy in this: the moment of maximum pride in the So Hum hills, only to see the sheen stripped away in the trip to the city.

      I support Kym talking about this particular situation in the way she did, individualizing the person. I think the stereotype is there, but the context of it was transformed for me by learning more about this grow.

      • Matthew,

        I enjoyed your analysis of the photo. I have posted other pictures of this grow that doesn’t have the same “masculinity” as the above photo. My favorite is one where he is smelling the buds but I choose this one because the article is about smokers calling for a boycott of the local growers. This seemed like an appropriate way to show the antagonism that is growing between grower and consumer. It was a symbolic picture but it wasn’t intended to symbolize an ugly style of growing but rather an attitude that some growers have that they don’t need to pay attention to their consumers’ opinions. It wasn’t meant to portray that particular grower’s opinion just symbolize what I see as a wider problem.

        • so is this one of the growers complaining that mexican brickweed is undermining his market? does this guy have politicians and committee members telling him he needs to kick down some of his cash to politicians and committee members? or is it more like they’re trying to hussle in on his cash flow? is he part of a committee himself? How much did he grow last year compared to this year? Who’s idea was it? How is he getting away with it? I don’t know anything about him based on who he “really is”…just what I see in the media. This blog is part of the media. I don’t and won’t have any interest in researching who some guy in an article’s picture might really be. I’d hope that’s what the article is there for, and that I could take it at face value.

          • I don’t know the man. I’ve just met him in the course of writing a piece for a magazine. He rather kindly let me take his photo next to some plants. I used the photo in an unrelated story because I get tired of just putting photos of buds up on every post. I get bored and I thought my readers might also.

          • It wasn’t meant to portray that particular grower’s opinion just symbolize what I see as a wider problem

            Don’t you understand? She plays god and make up her own meaning for symbols, much like humply dumpty makes up his own meaning for words.

        • Thanks for the feedback, Kym. Maybe suzy and randomguy can select a picture from this grow that they feel would be less callous / naive / glamorizing of thughood.

          My favorite photo (and I’m not sure it’s the same individual) is one where he’s on a ladder harvesting some tops, viewed from the back, no hat. Totally different vibe, and completely lacking in the hint of arrogance that is easily read into the one you did use…and which is, it seems, what made that photo appealing to you.

          You are very kind in your responses to your critics.

          • Maybe suzy and randomguy can select a picture from this grow that they feel would be less callous / naive / glamorizing of thughood.

            Thank you Mathew for taking interest in this and making several insightful comments But I am not really into selecting a more appropriate or less offensive picture, that’s her job, and anyway, Kym is trying to be less boring, maybe she should go all the way over the top –LOL!. I don’t know.

            But I would like to see this image placed in a more appropriate context. Because the truth is, I think it’s a good picture. But I see a problem in her not understanding what she’s publishing. I think she’s taken a very powerful photo and that the image could be used to clearly show an important aspect of the pot tragic/comedy that we find in our midst. Yet I doubt if she can see it.

            But she does take good photos. I have to admit that. It’s an intense image, and very catchy, it arrests one’s attention like a good picture should. Suzy thinks it’s an excellent photo, I studied it at length, kudos to you Kym. But the context that you chose to place it in spoils it, isho.

            My feeling is that it would make a good image for a poster for a dramatic work satirizing our young ambitious wannabe-thug growers –or something like that, something along the line of irony/satire/comedy. If used in the right context it could be really really funny. Like maybe for a poster for a recycled youth play or something.

            I think Kym realizes, or should, that it’s a powerful image that she has in her hands, a powerful symbol, but unfortunately I don’t think she understands how to use it effectively.

            • ps, Mathew, i really really really liked it when you said i put my finger on his masculinity. That made Suzy soooo hot!

              huggles,
              s

          • Photo content isn’t my point whatsoever…neither is insult. There’s a thousand blogs I could lend my time and effort to instead of this one, in attempt at real cross communication to pull some bigger ideas out of what’s being presented. This blog presents itself as a voice of humboldt, and I’m certainly that. This blog gets the attention of major media outlets. I think there’s some bullshit going on in “the scene” and I hate to see the proprietor of this blog taken for a chump…whether just my opinion or not, it’s at least obvious I could put on a happy face all day and rain compliments over a certain crowd and essentially manipulate them with my opinions of how to run other people’s lives. It’s propoganda, and we all see how it’s working.

            Why isn’t it legitimate to wonder what’s up with the guy in the picture above? In this and other blogs I see links to all kinds of Associated Press stories from which content is restated as fact. How can I not associate a guy in a picture on this blog taken by the proprietor of this blog with what I’m also reading on this very blog?

            And since when was bonnie neely and co. so into the scene? When it became clear to them that there was some long term money to be made? How many more like her? If I can quickly gather that there’s a relatively small group of growers and authoritarian people who want a green light from essentially law enforcement to “control and corner the market”…the words they use…a lot of other people are aware of the same thing, and wondering why they’re not getting a fair shake in related negotiations.

            Factory Town sprawlers are a seperate entity that NEED to be dealt with seperately. They’re the real threat to all things humboldt. I’ll continue to write it every time it seems appropriate, so hopefully in 10 or 20 years I’m not writing “I toldja so” via some dashboard computer in a car stuck in traffic where there isn’t even a road today.

      • I think that Suzy’s reading is acerbic but valid

        But Kym, who in her empty headed glory reminds me a lot of Sarah Palin, “thought he was quite handsome and so was the plant” –you go girl!

  • This picture really really sucks. I don’t know what you are thinking of, exhibiting a picture of some creep showing off his compensatory phallic symbol. Maybe you’ll also treat us to a picture of his big truck. Barf.

    • I love the way you use positive reinforcement to reach out and spread the love around. ;> I thought he was quite handsome and so was the plant.

      • You don’t really like to think about things, do you? You prefer to avoid the issue by making a snarky comment rather than responding to what in my mind is a serious problem. I see that disgusting image as a prime symbol of the downfall of Humboldt’s young adults. It’d make a nice cover picture for an article or book exposing and analyzing the psychological instability, spiritual shallowness, and commercial greed of the latest faze of the Humboldt pot culture. But I’m afraid that must be way over your head. Sorry if I disturbed you or popped your bubble by taking a serious look at the imagery that you seem to think is in some way positive to the marijuana culture’s evolution. Personally, I think it’s a good illustration of the disease that has ravaged the scene. Like I said, all you need is another picture of his big truck sitting up on oversized tires next to it.

        • Suzy, I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have been so flippant but your reply felt like you were stereotyping the young man. But I’ve met him. And he’s a person with dreams and a gentle demeanor (in spite of his posture–which he was hamming up for the camera.) He’s not a symbol to me. He’s a human being that I like. And he happens to be a good farmer carefully using sustainable, organic practices to grow a large plant. He may or may not have a big truck. But he was kind and open with me so I prefer to treat him with respect.

          Now, if you want to discuss the downfall of Humboldt’s pot culture in a general way without making this rather sweet man shoulder the whole burden, I’m happy to do so.

        • Fiance here:

          I still love you Suzy……..you are so right!

          • -thanks fiance, for seeing my point, it’s simple, but Kym doesn’t want to confront it, instead she makes snarky comments and then gets defensive. Like i said, she doesn’t really think about things, like phallic symbols, or what is or is not compensatory. When i wrote of the image and the stereotype that she published she ignored the point about what she’d done and instead switched the subject to defending the person who posed for the picture, and accusing me of being the one doing the stereotyping! lol! Talk about projection –sheesh. She thinks that i am attacking the person in the picture? hello? Like i’m attacking her team or something, her family. Duh, i was clearly talking about the creepy image that she posted, for all i knew from what she showed and wrote, the real life person who posed for the photo image could’ve been anyone. So what does she do? she pretends to get her back up and display a righteous indignation, taking the stance of moral superiority, in order to conveniently avoid discussing the impact that her imagery propels. (“He’s not a symbol to her”, what?! Apparently she doesn’t know what she’s doing.) Instead she takes a fake moral high ground, as usual, and heroically pretends to stand up for her neighbor. Does anyone really fall for that kind of crap? I guess she fools herself into believing that there is some kind of commendable camaraderie that excuses her picture, i don’t know, but it’s easily seen by any aware person that her tactic of changing the subject and actually calling me the one who is stereotyping is just another decoy that she uses in her denial game.

            i don’t have any reason to think that she’ll be able to make an intelligent response to this because she is either unable to understand the image’s impact, or is just blindly continuing down the path of the same old destructive imaging which promotes a negative paradigm that’s gone on for half a century –same old shit, but now the product behind the excuse for her ilk’s submission to the cultural chauvinism is marijuana, instead of Marlboros.

            i am glad that at least there are thinking people like you out there who are able to detach enough from a commercial pot industry’s spokesperson’s misguided view, which continues to spit on the innate respectability of humans while abusing the sacredness of an empowering herb, to see the significance of this seemingly harmless image of a nice boy from across the street who grew a jumbo plant.

            • Mexican brickweed didn’t lower kym’s family’s “market value”…the guy in the picture above did. I’m sure he realizes he’s lucky in life and all that jazz., who wouldn’t in his shoes?

    • There is a lot going on here.
      The grow that Kym pictured is discussed extensively elsewhere on the net. To me, it’s a mixed bag.

      Dude’s been growing since he was 14 and now can do it under 215, take his know-how, get some investment, get hooked up with a club and get a steady buyer for his herb. What a cool thing on that score.

      The fellow also scores points with me because he reached out to others and took them along for the ride. Many people surely learned techniques from the photos and discussions that accompanied the grow. (I did.)

      The grow is also apparently organic.

      I was happy to learn that some of this organic outdoor is going to clubs in the Sacto area…between that and the video that Jorge Cervantes did of the grow, maybe it will help people see the value of outdoor herb.

      On the other hand, it appears that this outdoor, like much other, is being treated as second-class, made part of giveaways and stuff. Good for those who like it, since the price is lower, but bad for those who care about the future of a sustainable cannabis industry. (I haven’t visited the club that has it to confirm this.)

      It is interesting that Kym chose the most thuggish pic of the guy. There are many others (without the hat) where he looks more like some yuppie dude trimming his hedges, except that they’re cannabis.

      I think that Suzy’s reading is acerbic but valid. There is a kind of masculinity transmitted in the photo that she has put her finger on. For me, hardly a surprise from a Humboldt local who’s been growing since 14, even if it was hammed up a bit.

      I actually feel poignancy in this: the moment of maximum pride in the So Hum hills, only to see the sheen stripped away in the trip to the city.

      I support Kym talking about this particular situation in the way she did, individualizing the person. I think the stereotype is there, but the context of it was transformed for me by learning more about this grow.

      • Matthew,

        I enjoyed your analysis of the photo. I have posted other pictures of this grow that doesn’t have the same “masculinity” as the above photo. My favorite is one where he is smelling the buds but I choose this one because the article is about smokers calling for a boycott of the local growers. This seemed like an appropriate way to show the antagonism that is growing between grower and consumer. It was a symbolic picture but it wasn’t intended to symbolize an ugly style of growing but rather an attitude that some growers have that they don’t need to pay attention to their consumers’ opinions. It wasn’t meant to portray that particular grower’s opinion just symbolize what I see as a wider problem.

        • so is this one of the growers complaining that mexican brickweed is undermining his market? does this guy have politicians and committee members telling him he needs to kick down some of his cash to politicians and committee members? or is it more like they’re trying to hussle in on his cash flow? is he part of a committee himself? How much did he grow last year compared to this year? Who’s idea was it? How is he getting away with it? I don’t know anything about him based on who he “really is”…just what I see in the media. This blog is part of the media. I don’t and won’t have any interest in researching who some guy in an article’s picture might really be. I’d hope that’s what the article is there for, and that I could take it at face value.

          • I don’t know the man. I’ve just met him in the course of writing a piece for a magazine. He rather kindly let me take his photo next to some plants. I used the photo in an unrelated story because I get tired of just putting photos of buds up on every post. I get bored and I thought my readers might also.

          • It wasn’t meant to portray that particular grower’s opinion just symbolize what I see as a wider problem

            Don’t you understand? She plays god and make up her own meaning for symbols, much like humply dumpty makes up his own meaning for words.

        • Thanks for the feedback, Kym. Maybe suzy and randomguy can select a picture from this grow that they feel would be less callous / naive / glamorizing of thughood.

          My favorite photo (and I’m not sure it’s the same individual) is one where he’s on a ladder harvesting some tops, viewed from the back, no hat. Totally different vibe, and completely lacking in the hint of arrogance that is easily read into the one you did use…and which is, it seems, what made that photo appealing to you.

          You are very kind in your responses to your critics.

          • Maybe suzy and randomguy can select a picture from this grow that they feel would be less callous / naive / glamorizing of thughood.

            Thank you Mathew for taking interest in this and making several insightful comments But I am not really into selecting a more appropriate or less offensive picture, that’s her job, and anyway, Kym is trying to be less boring, maybe she should go all the way over the top –LOL!. I don’t know.

            But I would like to see this image placed in a more appropriate context. Because the truth is, I think it’s a good picture. But I see a problem in her not understanding what she’s publishing. I think she’s taken a very powerful photo and that the image could be used to clearly show an important aspect of the pot tragic/comedy that we find in our midst. Yet I doubt if she can see it.

            But she does take good photos. I have to admit that. It’s an intense image, and very catchy, it arrests one’s attention like a good picture should. Suzy thinks it’s an excellent photo, I studied it at length, kudos to you Kym. But the context that you chose to place it in spoils it, isho.

            My feeling is that it would make a good image for a poster for a dramatic work satirizing our young ambitious wannabe-thug growers –or something like that, something along the line of irony/satire/comedy. If used in the right context it could be really really funny. Like maybe for a poster for a recycled youth play or something.

            I think Kym realizes, or should, that it’s a powerful image that she has in her hands, a powerful symbol, but unfortunately I don’t think she understands how to use it effectively.

            • ps, Mathew, i really really really liked it when you said i put my finger on his masculinity. That made Suzy soooo hot!

              huggles,
              s

          • Photo content isn’t my point whatsoever…neither is insult. There’s a thousand blogs I could lend my time and effort to instead of this one, in attempt at real cross communication to pull some bigger ideas out of what’s being presented. This blog presents itself as a voice of humboldt, and I’m certainly that. This blog gets the attention of major media outlets. I think there’s some bullshit going on in “the scene” and I hate to see the proprietor of this blog taken for a chump…whether just my opinion or not, it’s at least obvious I could put on a happy face all day and rain compliments over a certain crowd and essentially manipulate them with my opinions of how to run other people’s lives. It’s propoganda, and we all see how it’s working.

            Why isn’t it legitimate to wonder what’s up with the guy in the picture above? In this and other blogs I see links to all kinds of Associated Press stories from which content is restated as fact. How can I not associate a guy in a picture on this blog taken by the proprietor of this blog with what I’m also reading on this very blog?

            And since when was bonnie neely and co. so into the scene? When it became clear to them that there was some long term money to be made? How many more like her? If I can quickly gather that there’s a relatively small group of growers and authoritarian people who want a green light from essentially law enforcement to “control and corner the market”…the words they use…a lot of other people are aware of the same thing, and wondering why they’re not getting a fair shake in related negotiations.

            Factory Town sprawlers are a seperate entity that NEED to be dealt with seperately. They’re the real threat to all things humboldt. I’ll continue to write it every time it seems appropriate, so hopefully in 10 or 20 years I’m not writing “I toldja so” via some dashboard computer in a car stuck in traffic where there isn’t even a road today.

      • I think that Suzy’s reading is acerbic but valid

        But Kym, who in her empty headed glory reminds me a lot of Sarah Palin, “thought he was quite handsome and so was the plant” –you go girl!

  • uhhhhhh…..humboldt had the highest percentage of yes votes in the state

    • Alright, this canard about Humboldt growers spoiling everything needs a little attention.

      Here are the totals for Prop 19 for the state, from http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

      State
      4,120,634 46.0% 4,822,119 54.0%

      And here are the figures for the ET.
      Humboldt
      17,702 46.7% 20,130 53.3%

      Mendocino
      9,315 47.0% 10,503 53.0%

      Trinity
      2,151 40.4% 3,167 59.6%

      Humboldt and Mendo are right there with state averages, slightly more on the YES side.

      So the ET voted against 19 like the rest of the state. Humboldt did not offer the highest proportion of votes for 19 of any county, that goes to SF county:

      SF County
      160,610 63.2% 93,648 36.8%

      But here’s one thing people don’t seem to have paid much attention to: the number of votes cast either way in the ET on 19 is about 60k, a little more. About 9 million votes were cast statewide, so the whole ET participation in Prop 19 is about two-thirds of one percent of the state vote.

      Every single voter in the ET could have voted for Prop 19, and it would not have made any difference.

      So for me, all this about greedy Humboldt growers is just echo chamber.

      • excellent, thank you matthew. I admit I didn’t look into the official results of anything, just blog blab, which might as well of said unicorns fell from space and gored to death anybody in favor of prop. 19.

        Chachi in the pic above does all the work year round, but makes only 1/5 of what his “product” actually sells for…the business side of things not determined by “growers” at all.

  • uhhhhhh…..humboldt had the highest percentage of yes votes in the state

    • Alright, this canard about Humboldt growers spoiling everything needs a little attention.

      Here are the totals for Prop 19 for the state, from http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/

      State
      4,120,634 46.0% 4,822,119 54.0%

      And here are the figures for the ET.
      Humboldt
      17,702 46.7% 20,130 53.3%

      Mendocino
      9,315 47.0% 10,503 53.0%

      Trinity
      2,151 40.4% 3,167 59.6%

      Humboldt and Mendo are right there with state averages, slightly more on the YES side.

      So the ET voted against 19 like the rest of the state. Humboldt did not offer the highest proportion of votes for 19 of any county, that goes to SF county:

      SF County
      160,610 63.2% 93,648 36.8%

      But here’s one thing people don’t seem to have paid much attention to: the number of votes cast either way in the ET on 19 is about 60k, a little more. About 9 million votes were cast statewide, so the whole ET participation in Prop 19 is about two-thirds of one percent of the state vote.

      Every single voter in the ET could have voted for Prop 19, and it would not have made any difference.

      So for me, all this about greedy Humboldt growers is just echo chamber.

      • excellent, thank you matthew. I admit I didn’t look into the official results of anything, just blog blab, which might as well of said unicorns fell from space and gored to death anybody in favor of prop. 19.

        Chachi in the pic above does all the work year round, but makes only 1/5 of what his “product” actually sells for…the business side of things not determined by “growers” at all.

  • I believe the pot smokers and growers who voted against prop 19 are a bunch of quisling hypocrites. And don’t lecture me about how cannabis smokers should just come together and kiss and make up. I may indulge in cannabis, but just because you do, doesn’t automatically make you my friend. Vichyite prohibitionist pot smoker and grower opponents of prop 19 are not my friends. Gangsters who deal cannabis to little children are not my friends. People like Dennis Peron who obviously believe in recreational use for meth and extasy but oppose recreational use of cannabis (while giving out candy to underage boys) are not my friends. The Lord Haw Haws of the anti 19 movement like Bruce Cain, J Craig Canada and others are not my friends. I’m sorry California, but I will spend my money in Amsterdam. That’s right. At least I won’t be poisoned by the presence of quisling American stoners who want to be rock stars and gangsters and preserve prohibition.

  • I believe the pot smokers and growers who voted against prop 19 are a bunch of quisling hypocrites. And don’t lecture me about how cannabis smokers should just come together and kiss and make up. I may indulge in cannabis, but just because you do, doesn’t automatically make you my friend. Vichyite prohibitionist pot smoker and grower opponents of prop 19 are not my friends. Gangsters who deal cannabis to little children are not my friends. People like Dennis Peron who obviously believe in recreational use for meth and extasy but oppose recreational use of cannabis (while giving out candy to underage boys) are not my friends. The Lord Haw Haws of the anti 19 movement like Bruce Cain, J Craig Canada and others are not my friends. I’m sorry California, but I will spend my money in Amsterdam. That’s right. At least I won’t be poisoned by the presence of quisling American stoners who want to be rock stars and gangsters and preserve prohibition.

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