Largest Indoor Grow in the World Planned–Where Should We Drill to Fuel It?

We apparently have oil to spill all over the Gulf Coast.  We wipe it up with endangered pelicans and sea turtles.  Since we have so much why not use some of that excess to fuel a seven acre marijuana indoor grow facility in Oakland?  Let’s cultivate those plants day and night– producing   58 pounds of cannabis every 24 hours because we can always drill a few more pristine places in order to fuel a pot factory.

This isn’t just a pipe dream. Recently, The Oakland Tribune announced that AgraMed, Inc., a non profit, has proposed to develop an enormous indoor grow inside the city of Oakland. The facility will also produce lights and other necessary equipment  used for raising plants indoors. It will also manufacture cannabis foods, have a job training program,  and a lab. And let’s not forget 58 pounds of cannabis every 24 hours.

The industrial sized grow is estimated to be able to produce 1/40th of California’s pot production. RJ Reynolds is beginning to look friendly by comparison to this mega dispensary.

Speculation is that the Ganjasaurus sized cannabis factory has around 5000 lights. (Now stick with me through some of my admittedly shaky math) 1000 watt bulbs equals 5,000,000 watts  x 12 hours per day (the shortest amount of hours the plants are exposed to light) =60,000,000 watt hours or 60 MW hours.  Now a MW (megawatt) powers about 500 California homes  (California uses less electricity per home than the rest of the nation). Therefore, one day of electricity use by this weed factory would power at least 3,000 homes that is a conservative estimate. And, that  of course, doesn’t include fans, filters, and the other power hungry detritus of an indoor grow.

Boulder, Colorado recently required all dispensaries to be 100% offset by solar or wind power.  That might help.

I have a better idea.  Let’s require the plants themselves to be solar powered.

Oh, wait.  Mother Nature already requires that.

I know there are reasons for growing indoors (some people have no other options, juicing raw cannabis requires  winter production) but growing 7 acre marijuana plantations indoors at a time when wars are being fought over oil fields and vasts swaths of ocean and beaches are destroyed in our quest for ever more fuel is irresponsible.

And, quite possibly deadly.

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Photo links to its source.

UPDATED: math figures incorrect the first time.  They have been corrected.  Thanks Michael for pointing this out!!!

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71 comments

  • The sheer magnitude of greed at the expense of the planet stuns me.

    • It is hard to contemplate how a 7 acre facility could produce organic cannabis grown with love, it might end up looking more like Sun Valley Flowers with mega pesticides and chemical ferts, and low paid workers in tough conditioins.

      Let’s remember that this kind of proposal is here, before legalization. This is unrelated to legalization, this is the future of competition for small family growers, and it is the type of competition that is already driving prices down, it is only different by scale.

      However, if prices continue to drop, even big operatiions like this will be uneconomical due to the price of electricity. It is the cost of electricity that eventually gives the outdoor grower an advantage.

      have a peaceful day,
      Bill

  • Bill makes some good points.
    I believe, however, there will be a market for quality-grown cannabis by small mom and pop operations despite this huge indoor grow.

    Using the wine industry as a model, you can see the divide between quality wines (think Silver Oak) and mass produced wines like Gallo. There’s room for everyone with a good business plan and a green thumb.

    The price for marijuana is currently being driven by a number of factors, like large dispensary grows. The people who go to them generally pay less than street prices.

    Humboldt pot has had competition from all over the nation, and the world, for decades now and it’s still known as the best among many discerning smokers. Why would that change overnight after legalization?

  • Bill makes some good points.
    I believe, however, there will be a market for quality-grown cannabis by small mom and pop operations despite this huge indoor grow.

    Using the wine industry as a model, you can see the divide between quality wines (think Silver Oak) and mass produced wines like Gallo. There’s room for everyone with a good business plan and a green thumb.

    The price for marijuana is currently being driven by a number of factors, like large dispensary grows. The people who go to them generally pay less than street prices.

    Humboldt pot has had competition from all over the nation, and the world, for decades now and it’s still known as the best among many discerning smokers. Why would that change overnight after legalization?

  • This makes me sick. These guys crafted this piece of legislation so they could have all of the control over production. They have the city of Oakland in their pocket and they knew the city leaders would let them do what ever they wanted as long as there were some bucks in it for them. And this is supposed to be a non profit? Please. I read it will make 70mm a year. These guys already have 1000 light indoors in Oakland that are approved by the city. Is Humboldt going to be so generous with us and allow us to grow and be taxed? If not here than where? Is Oakland going to be the only place in the state where cultivation is allowed and licenses are handed out?
    I have heard that the labor union is now backing the initiative with a lot of money and power so it does look like it will pass. The County of Humboldt needs to start addressing how they are going to allow us to cultivate and tax it now or we are going to be hung out to dry.
    The four henchmen that control Oakland collectives crafted this legislation so that they could have all the lights and we, the ones who taught them to grow and gave them their strains, can have none. We are all worried about “big corporations” coming in but these sheep in wolfs clothing posing as compassionate collectives are the real ones we need to watch out for. This is the reason Richard Lee donated 1mm of his own money to get the signatures for the ballot initiative. 1million to make billions. Seams like a good investment huh?

    • Humboldt Local,

      In all fairness, I think people are mostly only capable of seeing what is in front of their eyes. Lee honestly is trying to lower the cost of medicine for ill people. He has done a lot of good with his business. He is trying to do more. He just finds it hard to view things from Humboldt’s perspective.

      Humboldt’s officials do need to plan for the future. Marijuana is changing and we need to be prepared to change with it.

  • This makes me sick. These guys crafted this piece of legislation so they could have all of the control over production. They have the city of Oakland in their pocket and they knew the city leaders would let them do what ever they wanted as long as there were some bucks in it for them. And this is supposed to be a non profit? Please. I read it will make 70mm a year. These guys already have 1000 light indoors in Oakland that are approved by the city. Is Humboldt going to be so generous with us and allow us to grow and be taxed? If not here than where? Is Oakland going to be the only place in the state where cultivation is allowed and licenses are handed out?
    I have heard that the labor union is now backing the initiative with a lot of money and power so it does look like it will pass. The County of Humboldt needs to start addressing how they are going to allow us to cultivate and tax it now or we are going to be hung out to dry.
    The four henchmen that control Oakland collectives crafted this legislation so that they could have all the lights and we, the ones who taught them to grow and gave them their strains, can have none. We are all worried about “big corporations” coming in but these sheep in wolfs clothing posing as compassionate collectives are the real ones we need to watch out for. This is the reason Richard Lee donated 1mm of his own money to get the signatures for the ballot initiative. 1million to make billions. Seams like a good investment huh?

    • Humboldt Local,

      In all fairness, I think people are mostly only capable of seeing what is in front of their eyes. Lee honestly is trying to lower the cost of medicine for ill people. He has done a lot of good with his business. He is trying to do more. He just finds it hard to view things from Humboldt’s perspective.

      Humboldt’s officials do need to plan for the future. Marijuana is changing and we need to be prepared to change with it.

  • Oh, and we don’t have to drill to fuel it, we can always fall back on mountaintop removal for ‘clean’ coal.

  • Oh, and we don’t have to drill to fuel it, we can always fall back on mountaintop removal for ‘clean’ coal.

  • Fiance here: Sounds just lovely.

  • Fiance here: Sounds just lovely.

  • Kym
    I know this post is about “The Weed”, but you have no idea how much that photo of the bird pains me. Not only the bird, but all the other plants and critters that are dying. We were betrayed so badly by our government regulators that allowed the oil mega-corporation to risk the gulf environment. How in good conscience can anyone justify skipping safety valves that were left off the well?
    We are a nation of puppets, who’s strings are being yanked by what we see on TV. If this gulf spill doesn’t open peoples eyes to how corrupted our government is, nothing will………

  • Kym
    I know this post is about “The Weed”, but you have no idea how much that photo of the bird pains me. Not only the bird, but all the other plants and critters that are dying. We were betrayed so badly by our government regulators that allowed the oil mega-corporation to risk the gulf environment. How in good conscience can anyone justify skipping safety valves that were left off the well?
    We are a nation of puppets, who’s strings are being yanked by what we see on TV. If this gulf spill doesn’t open peoples eyes to how corrupted our government is, nothing will………

  • In urban areas people grow indoors…1000 lamps, or 1 lamp, what’s the difference if the 1000 is growing for a proportionate consumer base? The outdoor grower elitism has a definite rural bias to it.

    • Anonanon,
      I cop to a rural bias. It is self defense, I swear, because urbanites rule the world;> And I do love the outdoor grower culture, too.

      To reply to your concerns though, not everyone has the capability to grow outdoors. I acknowledge that. Not everyone has the capability of growing corn outdoors either. I wonder if the world wouldn’t be better served by growing corn and marijuana outdoors where huge amounts of energy are not consumed in their production and shipping it to people who live in more urban conditions?

      Now, of course, while marijuana is illegal, some people have very little choice. In order to have access to organic marijuana, they must grow their own inside under lights. If that is the case, I reluctantly support their right to do so but reserve the right to try and find them some less harmful way of getting what they need. And I will keep pointing out how harmful indoor growing is to the environment in hopes that whenever possible indoor growers will look for ways to minimize the damage they are doing.

  • In urban areas people grow indoors…1000 lamps, or 1 lamp, what’s the difference if the 1000 is growing for a proportionate consumer base? The outdoor grower elitism has a definite rural bias to it.

    • Anonanon,
      I cop to a rural bias. It is self defense, I swear, because urbanites rule the world;> And I do love the outdoor grower culture, too.

      To reply to your concerns though, not everyone has the capability to grow outdoors. I acknowledge that. Not everyone has the capability of growing corn outdoors either. I wonder if the world wouldn’t be better served by growing corn and marijuana outdoors where huge amounts of energy are not consumed in their production and shipping it to people who live in more urban conditions?

      Now, of course, while marijuana is illegal, some people have very little choice. In order to have access to organic marijuana, they must grow their own inside under lights. If that is the case, I reluctantly support their right to do so but reserve the right to try and find them some less harmful way of getting what they need. And I will keep pointing out how harmful indoor growing is to the environment in hopes that whenever possible indoor growers will look for ways to minimize the damage they are doing.

  • suzy blah blah

    Dave doesn’t get it. The QUALITY of pot comes from the strain and does not diminish by large quantity grows. Someone who grows two plants of that strain will have the exact same quality (potency) as one who grows a larger number of plants (500, 5000, or 5,000,000,000) of the same strain. It can be grown nearly anywhere.

    When you acquire the high quality strain you keep it pure by cloning (taking cuttings). You can clone as many times as you want to. Thus you will have as many plants as you want. They will all be exactly the same quality/potency. The potency is the key factor. As a minor factor, you can flavor the taste with fertilizer and color it by temperature variables . That will NOT change the key factor –quality/potency. You can have a few different strains, variables, for body high, head high, etc. but other than those preferences –it’s the POTENCY that is important to the smoker.

    When you have obtained the good strain(s), you take that clone or strain and grow it anywhere and the quality stays exactly the same. You keep some of the clones for ‘mother plants’ to clone from for future crops. You keep your mothers under a light in the darkness of winter. In that way you keep your strain pure. Most kids in Humboldt know this. You can grow it indoors anywhere and except for a few variables like the severe weather and limited light conditions in the far north, you can grow it outdoors nearly anywhere too. It doesn’t matter if you grow your high quality strain in Oakland, or in Humboldt, or in the mid-west, south, east, etc etc etc. You have the preferred pot, the high quality strain (which btw can easily be obtained from the kid down the block for ten to 15 bucks, and taken anywhere, including to a large corporation grow (future). It has absolutely nothing to do with Napa wine, mom and pop, or the location and/or name Humboldt.

    • Suzy,
      To a certain extent I agree with you. But a mono crop can be problematic for a variety of reasons.

      And there is some evidence that different illnesses respond to different strains in different manners.

      Besides that there are a lot of people who don’t want couch lock; they want to wake, bake and work. Some people are experimenting with controlling mental illness with cannabis. They might want very little stone in their smoke.

      So potency is one quality that people value but I think there are others.

      • Kym, 85-90% of the smokers will want the best, it’s a better quality high and it’s the same stone to take a half a toke of the the good rather than more of the mediocre (half a toke won’t nail you to the couch). With more availability and experience people will find that out. That’s an example of why it’s the control of the strain that is where the power and money is –of course only my opinion.

        But my main point, which dovetails with that observation, is one that you didn’t address. I’m talking about the point of fantasizing and planning for Humboldt turning into a Napa wine country sort of attraction for the tourism business of pot. It’s just a weed,. The producing of it is not comparable to wine making, when you look further or more honestly into the process you’ll see that the culture of pot is pretty boring and unsophisticated. The geography is not all that important. It’s easily transported. And legality will make it so that eventually you will be able to pick up a pack of whatever strain you want on the corner in any town. That’s the way it should be. Humboldt might try to sell, promote, advertise, etc. the idea of fine Humboldt weed for a while, but people aren’t going to buy it, not for long.

        It’s true that if/when it’s made “legal” it will be in a limbo state of being legal here for some and not over there for others and so forth, for a while, and in this in between time it’s conceivable that this sort of fake pot culture can be sold to people via shiny magazine fold-outs and spun journalism til they see through the hustle. But when they realize that the glamorizing aspect of it is a fraud and when they can have a more satisfying experience with the same herb right in their home neighborhood, hundreds of miles from here, they will choose that. They can still wear a t-shirt that says “Humboldt” for the nostalgic irony value. They won’t be arrested for having a stash, and things will be healthier all around, excluding Humboldt’s economy. When it’s legal, why would some one travel all the way to Humboldt to smoke a joint on a golf-course or in a cafe with pot posters on the wall? Why not just fire up in your own home town? What i’m saying is, we don’t have a hold on the market, the selling of the Humboldt name, mom and pop faux superiority and know how, and the Napa type weekend dream escape getaway, etc. is not real. It’s a sham. Humboldt County’s illusion that it has some kind of upper hand concerning marijuana production is another version of the emperor’s new clothes.

        • Fiance here: Suzy, I never quite know which of your personalities I’m dealing with, but I like this one. The common sense one.

        • Suzy- good points. Many growing up in the SoHum bubble don’t realize that the market want indoor buds. Sorry but that is the sad truth. Humboldt also does not even have an ideal climate for growing outdoors. Political climate, yes, but the dry air of the central valley and sierra foothills will make for longer seasons, heavier plants, and less botrytis and powdery mildew issues. What Humboldt does have going for it is scenery and a tourism industry already intact. I hope Humboldt gets moving on capitalizing on these things( especially So Hum) because it would be a shame for it to turn into another busted mill town.

        • I think it’s an open question how much cannabis is like wine. It’s a lot harder to develop terroir with LE terror hanging overhead.

          Suzy, Bordeaux grapes can be grown anywhere, more or less. It’s all wine, and it all has alcohol in it.

          Anyway, whether cannabis terroir is a reality or not, there are people who will pay for it.

  • suzy blah blah

    Dave doesn’t get it. The QUALITY of pot comes from the strain and does not diminish by large quantity grows. Someone who grows two plants of that strain will have the exact same quality (potency) as one who grows a larger number of plants (500, 5000, or 5,000,000,000) of the same strain. It can be grown nearly anywhere.

    When you acquire the high quality strain you keep it pure by cloning (taking cuttings). You can clone as many times as you want to. Thus you will have as many plants as you want. They will all be exactly the same quality/potency. The potency is the key factor. As a minor factor, you can flavor the taste with fertilizer and color it by temperature variables . That will NOT change the key factor –quality/potency. You can have a few different strains, variables, for body high, head high, etc. but other than those preferences –it’s the POTENCY that is important to the smoker.

    When you have obtained the good strain(s), you take that clone or strain and grow it anywhere and the quality stays exactly the same. You keep some of the clones for ‘mother plants’ to clone from for future crops. You keep your mothers under a light in the darkness of winter. In that way you keep your strain pure. Most kids in Humboldt know this. You can grow it indoors anywhere and except for a few variables like the severe weather and limited light conditions in the far north, you can grow it outdoors nearly anywhere too. It doesn’t matter if you grow your high quality strain in Oakland, or in Humboldt, or in the mid-west, south, east, etc etc etc. You have the preferred pot, the high quality strain (which btw can easily be obtained from the kid down the block for ten to 15 bucks, and taken anywhere, including to a large corporation grow (future). It has absolutely nothing to do with Napa wine, mom and pop, or the location and/or name Humboldt.

    • Suzy,
      To a certain extent I agree with you. But a mono crop can be problematic for a variety of reasons.

      And there is some evidence that different illnesses respond to different strains in different manners.

      Besides that there are a lot of people who don’t want couch lock; they want to wake, bake and work. Some people are experimenting with controlling mental illness with cannabis. They might want very little stone in their smoke.

      So potency is one quality that people value but I think there are others.

      • Kym, 85-90% of the smokers will want the best, it’s a better quality high and it’s the same stone to take a half a toke of the the good rather than more of the mediocre (half a toke won’t nail you to the couch). With more availability and experience people will find that out. That’s an example of why it’s the control of the strain that is where the power and money is –of course only my opinion.

        But my main point, which dovetails with that observation, is one that you didn’t address. I’m talking about the point of fantasizing and planning for Humboldt turning into a Napa wine country sort of attraction for the tourism business of pot. It’s just a weed,. The producing of it is not comparable to wine making, when you look further or more honestly into the process you’ll see that the culture of pot is pretty boring and unsophisticated. The geography is not all that important. It’s easily transported. And legality will make it so that eventually you will be able to pick up a pack of whatever strain you want on the corner in any town. That’s the way it should be. Humboldt might try to sell, promote, advertise, etc. the idea of fine Humboldt weed for a while, but people aren’t going to buy it, not for long.

        It’s true that if/when it’s made “legal” it will be in a limbo state of being legal here for some and not over there for others and so forth, for a while, and in this in between time it’s conceivable that this sort of fake pot culture can be sold to people via shiny magazine fold-outs and spun journalism til they see through the hustle. But when they realize that the glamorizing aspect of it is a fraud and when they can have a more satisfying experience with the same herb right in their home neighborhood, hundreds of miles from here, they will choose that. They can still wear a t-shirt that says “Humboldt” for the nostalgic irony value. They won’t be arrested for having a stash, and things will be healthier all around, excluding Humboldt’s economy. When it’s legal, why would some one travel all the way to Humboldt to smoke a joint on a golf-course or in a cafe with pot posters on the wall? Why not just fire up in your own home town? What i’m saying is, we don’t have a hold on the market, the selling of the Humboldt name, mom and pop faux superiority and know how, and the Napa type weekend dream escape getaway, etc. is not real. It’s a sham. Humboldt County’s illusion that it has some kind of upper hand concerning marijuana production is another version of the emperor’s new clothes.

        • Fiance here: Suzy, I never quite know which of your personalities I’m dealing with, but I like this one. The common sense one.

        • Suzy- good points. Many growing up in the SoHum bubble don’t realize that the market want indoor buds. Sorry but that is the sad truth. Humboldt also does not even have an ideal climate for growing outdoors. Political climate, yes, but the dry air of the central valley and sierra foothills will make for longer seasons, heavier plants, and less botrytis and powdery mildew issues. What Humboldt does have going for it is scenery and a tourism industry already intact. I hope Humboldt gets moving on capitalizing on these things( especially So Hum) because it would be a shame for it to turn into another busted mill town.

        • I think it’s an open question how much cannabis is like wine. It’s a lot harder to develop terroir with LE terror hanging overhead.

          Suzy, Bordeaux grapes can be grown anywhere, more or less. It’s all wine, and it all has alcohol in it.

          Anyway, whether cannabis terroir is a reality or not, there are people who will pay for it.

  • Ivan B. Nobody

    Well since indo @ the current HI-rates from the PiGG&E costs about $500 an elbow to produce and once legalized the Pols will want their $50 per oz ($800 per #) so that’s at least $1300 an elbow to produce….so where is the bargain price going to come from…..even if you are burning 1000X1000W’s and anybody who even tried to manage 5x1000W’s knows it doesn’t happen while you sit on your butt all day…Duh, people love to pine on about “it grows anywhere or it’s a weed” NOT SO… it is in fact a very complex medicinal plant that reacts to it’s edaphic conditions which means that the FARMER is still very important. It doesn’t take a long tour of the Gro-Shops within 5 miles of Redway to figure out there are some very sophisticated growers here using some of the latest technology which happens to also be expen$ive.
    One more point…. If John Q. Florist is marking up his flowers 500% and Juan de Verde is marking up the gallon plants the grow from cuttings at least 400%… Then that $500 indo elbow show wholesale for $2500 add in $800 in taxes and we are right back at the current market rate for ‘Kind Indo’ — Strange how the world works sometimes, the Government is leaving $800 an elbow on the table out of moral respect for ‘The Children’.

  • Ivan B. Nobody

    Well since indo @ the current HI-rates from the PiGG&E costs about $500 an elbow to produce and once legalized the Pols will want their $50 per oz ($800 per #) so that’s at least $1300 an elbow to produce….so where is the bargain price going to come from…..even if you are burning 1000X1000W’s and anybody who even tried to manage 5x1000W’s knows it doesn’t happen while you sit on your butt all day…Duh, people love to pine on about “it grows anywhere or it’s a weed” NOT SO… it is in fact a very complex medicinal plant that reacts to it’s edaphic conditions which means that the FARMER is still very important. It doesn’t take a long tour of the Gro-Shops within 5 miles of Redway to figure out there are some very sophisticated growers here using some of the latest technology which happens to also be expen$ive.
    One more point…. If John Q. Florist is marking up his flowers 500% and Juan de Verde is marking up the gallon plants the grow from cuttings at least 400%… Then that $500 indo elbow show wholesale for $2500 add in $800 in taxes and we are right back at the current market rate for ‘Kind Indo’ — Strange how the world works sometimes, the Government is leaving $800 an elbow on the table out of moral respect for ‘The Children’.

  • I agree with Susie ( at least that last statement), but came here with a correction. MW are not MWh. 5MW • 12 hrs.= 60MWh. Sure, a MW powers 500 houses, but that means the load (MW), not the total draw in MWh ( i don’t know why your source threw in “per year”). The correct stat. should more like ‘the operation, for lights alone, would draw as much as 2500 houses’. (5MW half a day averages to 2.5 MW load, times 500 houses per MW) Not to defend the warehouse but Liz Davidson just used those numbers on KMUD and I want real numbers out there.

  • I agree with Susie ( at least that last statement), but came here with a correction. MW are not MWh. 5MW • 12 hrs.= 60MWh. Sure, a MW powers 500 houses, but that means the load (MW), not the total draw in MWh ( i don’t know why your source threw in “per year”). The correct stat. should more like ‘the operation, for lights alone, would draw as much as 2500 houses’. (5MW half a day averages to 2.5 MW load, times 500 houses per MW) Not to defend the warehouse but Liz Davidson just used those numbers on KMUD and I want real numbers out there.

  • *When pot is legal and taxed indoor will be a thing of the past*

    Perhaps true…perhaps it will become a hybrid system of outdoor-indoor with some supplemental light. The big question will be: How do you convert all that demand for the kind of bud that indoor hydro can produce? Price, will certainly effect where the market goes but my point still remains, the higher the taxes and producer permits cost the more room for illicitly produced cannabis products.

    Two more small points…Indoor growing can produce fresh high quality bud 365 days a year and the as yet to come out of the closet ‘clone industry’ will certainly remain indoors.

  • *When pot is legal and taxed indoor will be a thing of the past*

    Perhaps true…perhaps it will become a hybrid system of outdoor-indoor with some supplemental light. The big question will be: How do you convert all that demand for the kind of bud that indoor hydro can produce? Price, will certainly effect where the market goes but my point still remains, the higher the taxes and producer permits cost the more room for illicitly produced cannabis products.

    Two more small points…Indoor growing can produce fresh high quality bud 365 days a year and the as yet to come out of the closet ‘clone industry’ will certainly remain indoors.

  • the higher the taxes and producer permits cost the more room for illicitly produced cannabis products.

    YES i totally agree. And that’s the rub, taxing pot is a very VERY bad idea.

    perhaps it will become a hybrid system of outdoor-indoor

    Yes i agree that it requires some lights for the mothers and clippings.

    How do you convert all that demand for the kind of bud that indoor hydro can produce?

    It comes from real education and real experience, not from believing the halfassed and spun journalism so prevalent around here.

  • the higher the taxes and producer permits cost the more room for illicitly produced cannabis products.

    YES i totally agree. And that’s the rub, taxing pot is a very VERY bad idea.

    perhaps it will become a hybrid system of outdoor-indoor

    Yes i agree that it requires some lights for the mothers and clippings.

    How do you convert all that demand for the kind of bud that indoor hydro can produce?

    It comes from real education and real experience, not from believing the halfassed and spun journalism so prevalent around here.

  • Fiance here:

    The feds just busted 2266 people in a sting that covered Mexico and about 10 or 20 states….they go over 50 tons of pot among other things………think that will help the Humboldt market?

  • Fiance here:

    The feds just busted 2266 people in a sting that covered Mexico and about 10 or 20 states….they go over 50 tons of pot among other things………think that will help the Humboldt market?

  • In one “sweep” over 2000 people arrested for victimless crimes, innocent but for overstepping an unjust law!

    • Fiance here: Well Suzy…if you read the story they got thosands of pounds of meth, cocaine and heroin too. Plus over 500 guns. The 50+ tons of pot were just a bonus. There was a Mexican Cartel involved, so I’m not so sure how victimless these crimes were.

  • In one “sweep” over 2000 people arrested for victimless crimes, innocent but for overstepping an unjust law!

    • Fiance here: Well Suzy…if you read the story they got thosands of pounds of meth, cocaine and heroin too. Plus over 500 guns. The 50+ tons of pot were just a bonus. There was a Mexican Cartel involved, so I’m not so sure how victimless these crimes were.

  • People choose to buy and use the narcotics which the 2000 were arrested for the crime of possessing and selling. Who’s the victim of the crime for which they were arrested?

    • Finace here: What do you think the chances are that some of those 500 guns that were confiscated were used to kill? Do you think those people were just a non-violent bunch that were merely selling illegal narcotics to innocent people? Do you think that all the meth, crack and heroin addicts running arount not only Humboldt County but the rest of the nation are not a problem? Suzy, Suzy, Suzy…..wheres that common sense I was complementing you on just last week?

      There is no way an organization that big and that widespread and the tons of drugs they sold here happened without any other crime or violence attacked. Suzy….darlin’, we are not talking about a bunch of mom and pop growers flitting around Humboldt County spreading love, peace and harmony.

      There is a reason that someone in Mexico felt the need to post the following on a Eureka Times Standard topix blog a couple of weeks ago.

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      Thursday Jun 3 Humboldt County authorities and residents should be aware that local pot growers Mike and Joanne Nicklin have for many years traveled to and from the coast of Oaxaca Mexico. Recent reports in this area indicate they have now acquired strong ties with mexican cartel memebers. While arranging “business” connections here in Puerto Escondido they continually flaunt their monetary rewards gained through both their U.S. pot growing operation based in Humboldt County and the methamphetamine importation business based in Puerto Escondido.
      The rewards of their efforts can be viewed at http://www.marymontanas.com
      Notice the omission of any ownereship by Mike and Joanne Nicklin. This could be due to his claims of being invisible to the U.S. authorities including the I.R.S.
      We do know he pays a handsome price for Mexican police to protect his interests in Oaxaca. Dirty stinkin corrupt to the gills men with badges.
      Humboldt County BEWARE!

      I don’t know these people but you can bet my stepdaughter and her mother do. I personally don’t know if any of this is true but just the fact that someone down there hates them enough to post this type of thing on a forum in Humboldt give me cause for conern.

      We all know that the people that run the cartels are not nice people, that they will kill you and your kids if they think they need to in order to protect themselves and their business.

  • People choose to buy and use the narcotics which the 2000 were arrested for the crime of possessing and selling. Who’s the victim of the crime for which they were arrested?

    • Finace here: What do you think the chances are that some of those 500 guns that were confiscated were used to kill? Do you think those people were just a non-violent bunch that were merely selling illegal narcotics to innocent people? Do you think that all the meth, crack and heroin addicts running arount not only Humboldt County but the rest of the nation are not a problem? Suzy, Suzy, Suzy…..wheres that common sense I was complementing you on just last week?

      There is no way an organization that big and that widespread and the tons of drugs they sold here happened without any other crime or violence attacked. Suzy….darlin’, we are not talking about a bunch of mom and pop growers flitting around Humboldt County spreading love, peace and harmony.

      There is a reason that someone in Mexico felt the need to post the following on a Eureka Times Standard topix blog a couple of weeks ago.

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      Thursday Jun 3 Humboldt County authorities and residents should be aware that local pot growers Mike and Joanne Nicklin have for many years traveled to and from the coast of Oaxaca Mexico. Recent reports in this area indicate they have now acquired strong ties with mexican cartel memebers. While arranging “business” connections here in Puerto Escondido they continually flaunt their monetary rewards gained through both their U.S. pot growing operation based in Humboldt County and the methamphetamine importation business based in Puerto Escondido.
      The rewards of their efforts can be viewed at http://www.marymontanas.com
      Notice the omission of any ownereship by Mike and Joanne Nicklin. This could be due to his claims of being invisible to the U.S. authorities including the I.R.S.
      We do know he pays a handsome price for Mexican police to protect his interests in Oaxaca. Dirty stinkin corrupt to the gills men with badges.
      Humboldt County BEWARE!

      I don’t know these people but you can bet my stepdaughter and her mother do. I personally don’t know if any of this is true but just the fact that someone down there hates them enough to post this type of thing on a forum in Humboldt give me cause for conern.

      We all know that the people that run the cartels are not nice people, that they will kill you and your kids if they think they need to in order to protect themselves and their business.

  • What i said is that buying and possessing is a victimless activity. The violence surrounding that activity comes from its being illegal. My point is that heroin, methamphetamine, and cocaine, as well as marijuana, should be legal.

  • What i said is that buying and possessing is a victimless activity. The violence surrounding that activity comes from its being illegal. My point is that heroin, methamphetamine, and cocaine, as well as marijuana, should be legal.

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  • Whether Agramed or whoever gets the other 3 is legitimately non profit or not will not matter, neither will Humboldt be threatened when growers can go out of state to sell(which most I know already do more often than not). Come on guys, Nevada’s not too far, I hear pounds over there go for 7-10k.

  • Whether Agramed or whoever gets the other 3 is legitimately non profit or not will not matter, neither will Humboldt be threatened when growers can go out of state to sell(which most I know already do more often than not). Come on guys, Nevada’s not too far, I hear pounds over there go for 7-10k.

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