Save the Redwoods Puts up Ugly Sign in Salmon Creek

ugly sign obscuring beautiful view

Ugly Sign of the Times

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On a unspoiled ridge top, a quiet dirt road meanders through a meadow thick with grass.  A spectacular view allows a driver or hiker  to see nearly halfway across California–from the fog on the coast to the golden ridges of the Yolla Bollies.  The only hint of  human habitation is the road and a neighbor’s gate discretely tucked into the hillside-at least until today.  Save the Redwoods recently purchased a piece of property there and the community was delighted.  What better neighbor than an environmental organization.  What a great fit for our nature loving community.

But something has gone terribly wrong.  The League put up an ugly billboard.  For a neighborhood, in which there are no street signs, such a large garish construction makes a mockery of the League’s environmental goals.

Change is inevitable.  Ugliness is not.”  Scenic America, an organization dedicated to preserving open spaces and curtailing the use of billboards, chose this as their motto.  They say,

Attractive communities and unspoiled scenic vistas are critical to our quality of life. Both encourage us to appreciate and maintain beauty and the natural environment.

Each new billboard that is constructed tarnishes our communities and despoils our countryside. Moreover, each new billboard reinforces the perception that ugliness is the price of progress — that our quality of life depends on destroying the very resources we most value. This false choice serves only those who benefit from blight, and it encourages us to accept the destruction of all scenic, environmental, and historic resources…

Save the Redwoods League will agree when they’ve thought about the visual blight they’ve added to a space dedicated to natural beauty. Take a moment and call the League and ask them to reconsider their action. When they realize what they’ve done,  they will surely remove the sign.

E-mail: info@savetheredwoods.org

Save the Redwoods League
114 Sansome Street, Suite 1200
San Francisco, CA 94104-3823

Telephone: (415) 362-2352
Toll Free: (888) 836-0005
Fax: (415) 362-7017

Sadly, we as a society have become so inured to the ugliness of billboards encroaching on our views that one of our most venerable environmental organizations– dedicated to preserving natural beauty– put a large sign up oblivious to the irony and the ugliness! Please help us help them realize what they’ve done.

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153 comments

  • I just want to add that the sign itself is well built but in the culture of our community no one puts up large signs. Small no trespassing signs are found tacked on trees but for literally miles ( I’m guessing around 15–the freeway exit sign) there is no equivalent sized billboard. We don’t even have much in the way of street signs. We do have two community bulletin boards that are discreetly placed and non-institutional looking. And for miles there are no utility poles–nothing to spoil the untouched look of our beautiful countryside. Let’s keep it that way.

  • Call the County, those things need permits!

  • I have a quick way to remove it (chainsaw)
    And I could use the wood

  • I have a quick way to remove it (chainsaw)
    And I could use the wood

  • I have a hard time picturing conservationists placing that sign & not getting how ironic it was. All Like “Look at this beautiful unspoiled wilderness!” I cant help but laugh, even though I hate it. I wrote and I’ll call as soon as I get to a phone.

  • I have a hard time picturing conservationists placing that sign & not getting how ironic it was. All Like “Look at this beautiful unspoiled wilderness!” I cant help but laugh, even though I hate it. I wrote and I’ll call as soon as I get to a phone.

  • Where is this sign Kym? Is it really literally up on the ridge? And I am curious as to why the League bought the property. Are there redwoods on it? Is it useful to the org in its mission (not that I’ve read their mission statement, only working on assumptions here)? Not that they shouldn’t purchase property…but if I was a donor or member of the org, I’d ask these questions before they spent money on it. SO, it makes me curious.

    ??

    • This sign is at the top of my driveway despite the fact that Save The Redwoods League bought 100s of acres stretching for miles! The contact name at STRL is Christine Ambrose 415-362-2352, the sign installer told me she led him up here and showed him where to put the sign.

    • Yes, it is really up on the ridge but towards the back side of the loop. I think the property is perfect for them. It helps connect a green belt which is an environmentally sound practice. I believe it has redwoods though I haven’t been on the property. I would love to hike the piece. I’m glad they’re our neighbor. I’m just not happy with the sign.

  • This sign is at the top of my driveway despite the fact that Save The Redwoods League bought 100s of acres stretching for miles! The contact name at STRL is Christine Ambrose 415-362-2352, the sign installer told me she led him up here and showed him where to put the sign.

  • This is going to be a difficult comment for me to make, but I’ll try.

    Save the Redwoods League is one of the better environmental organizations, so I won’t criticize them, but, some are complete charlatans. As soon as you start to realize that the environment isn’t the focus of their zeal, but environmentalism itself, the more you began to understand it’s all about them. Any of the environmental websites that you go to, they have clearly and prominently posted how to send them money. Then they tell a few spooky stories about the evildoers, just to get you excited. They remind me of “Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show” where all you have to do is give them money and you are guaranteed a spot in heaven.

    Sadly, there are people that donate millions of dollars to absolute kooks in the name of saving the environment. From the outside looking in, all environmentalists look the same. But if you watch the actions of the people involved you began to notice patterns of not really trying to improve the environment, but, line their own pockets. They swing from trees and act like the monkeys that they are.

    Whereas a true environmentalist, like Kym Kemp, will show up at the bargaining table, ready to negotiate for the real things in the environment that are worth saving, and bargain for improvements, and mitigation to more than offset for the damage. She uses her real name and is responsible for the things that she says and does. And, oh by the way, she doesn’t ask you to send her money.

    • Ernie, you’re making me blush. I’m hoping that the Save the Redwoods League just made a little mistake and once they realize the problem will work with us. The sign is situated not far from Steven’s (see above comment) driveway. I foresee picnicers ending up at his house if the sign isn’t removed. The rest of us will lose a view and a sense of shared values in our community. He and his family will lose their privacy.

    • How come Ernie gets a smiley face?

  • Completely off topic, but Kym, this photo is right up your alley.

    http://pixdaus.com/single.php?id=167298

  • Yes, it is really up on the ridge but towards the back side of the loop. I think the property is perfect for them. It helps connect a green belt which is an environmentally sound practice. I believe it has redwoods though I haven’t been on the property. I would love to hike the piece. I’m glad they’re our neighbor. I’m just not happy with the sign.

  • The mantis looks like she is a black belt. I cracked up.

  • Ernie, you’re making me blush. I’m hoping that the Save the Redwoods League just made a little mistake and once they realize the problem will work with us. The sign is situated not far from Steven’s (see above comment) driveway. I foresee picnicers ending up at his house if the sign isn’t removed. The rest of us will lose a view and a sense of shared values in our community. He and his family will lose their privacy.

  • For those of you that asked me what the sign said, here is a transcription:
    Corridor from the Redwoods to the Sea
    Enhancing Open Space and Wildlife Habitat
    A project to improve and protect habitat
    Funded in part by the 2000 Park Bonds Act
    Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor
    MikeChrisman, secretary for Resources
    Save the Redwoods League gratefully acknowledges the following funders
    for their instrumental roles in portecting this forest:
    California Dept. of Fish and Game
    Wildlife Conservation Board
    Save the Redwoods League also gratefully acknowledges
    the support of the Mattole Community

    A Project of
    Save-the-Redwoods LEague
    Protecting Ancient forests since 1918

    NCB State of California
    Wildlife Conservation Board

    • This sounds like one of those temporary “project” signs that CalTrans puts up. However, I realize that some “projects” take years & years to complete.
      Temporary or not, it is dang ugly, out of place and an inexcusable irony.

      • It does seem like a temporary project sign to me too. But there is no project explained. It is weird and I have yet to get an explanation from Save the Redwoods.

  • This is hilarious. I can see an entire movie just about the battle over the sign.

  • This is hilarious. I can see an entire movie just about the battle over the sign.

  • Do like the people in Bolinas do, as fast as they can put them up they tear them down.

  • Do like the people in Bolinas do, as fast as they can put them up they tear them down.

  • If they want to put up an interpretive sign of some kind, why not something in keeping with the environment, something subtle, like a low wooden plaque, rocks, something that harmonizes with the land they’ve decided to protect.

  • If they want to put up an interpretive sign of some kind, why not something in keeping with the environment, something subtle, like a low wooden plaque, rocks, something that harmonizes with the land they’ve decided to protect.

  • I was thinking Natalie Portman but I hear she is booked into the next decade.

  • I was thinking Natalie Portman but I hear she is booked into the next decade.

  • You guys and gals need to settle down. For better or worse we live in an area that has a live and let live attitude. I can’t believe your getting your shorts in a bunch over this, esp. when you would have to drive miles to see it. Also little sign no Richardson grove yes? Let’s keep our priorities straight and send save the redwoods some money for their good work.

  • You guys and gals need to settle down. For better or worse we live in an area that has a live and let live attitude. I can’t believe your getting your shorts in a bunch over this, esp. when you would have to drive miles to see it. Also little sign no Richardson grove yes? Let’s keep our priorities straight and send save the redwoods some money for their good work.

  • This sounds like one of those temporary “project” signs that CalTrans puts up. However, I realize that some “projects” take years & years to complete.
    Temporary or not, it is dang ugly, out of place and an inexcusable irony.

    • It does seem like a temporary project sign to me too. But there is no project explained. It is weird and I have yet to get an explanation from Save the Redwoods.

  • Who benefits from this sign being here and how?
    It seems a bit self-congratulatory; it wasn’t enough to save a tract of wild land from development, but an industrial sign had to be erected to let i-don’t-know-who know that this undeveloped land is undeveloped (except for the sign) because of them.
    Do they intend to direct visitors out here? …no roads, no picnic tables, no trails, no bathrooms, no garbage receptacles, no parking, no supervision, no safety infrastructure, no fire protection …etc., etc. etc. …again what is this sign here for?

  • Who benefits from this sign being here and how?
    It seems a bit self-congratulatory; it wasn’t enough to save a tract of wild land from development, but an industrial sign had to be erected to let i-don’t-know-who know that this undeveloped land is undeveloped (except for the sign) because of them.
    Do they intend to direct visitors out here? …no roads, no picnic tables, no trails, no bathrooms, no garbage receptacles, no parking, no supervision, no safety infrastructure, no fire protection …etc., etc. etc. …again what is this sign here for?

  • Tom, I drive there on a regular basis. I love the loop and all its beauty. I do think this is a serious encroachment into our neighborhood. We have no signs. Now we have one that sprouts up in the middle of a beautiful meadow. All over America, environmentalists are working to rid the communities of the blight of billboards. Let’s not get them started here. Check out the Scenic America link in the post above.

    Richardson’s Grove realignment will allow more gas efficient vehicles, more cost effective vehicles and safer access at no long term cost to the environment (it will not effectively change the character of the grove.) This sign will effectively put a huge GOVERNMENT INDUSTRY type brand on our meadows and, as far as I can tell, serves no purpose at all.

    We do have a wonderful live and let live attitude here. But explaining to a neighbor how one of their actions is harming you and asking them to reconsider is not unneighborly. In fact, it is the basis of a great communication relationship.

  • Tom, I drive there on a regular basis. I love the loop and all its beauty. I do think this is a serious encroachment into our neighborhood. We have no signs. Now we have one that sprouts up in the middle of a beautiful meadow. All over America, environmentalists are working to rid the communities of the blight of billboards. Let’s not get them started here. Check out the Scenic America link in the post above.

    Richardson’s Grove realignment will allow more gas efficient vehicles, more cost effective vehicles and safer access at no long term cost to the environment (it will not effectively change the character of the grove.) This sign will effectively put a huge GOVERNMENT INDUSTRY type brand on our meadows and, as far as I can tell, serves no purpose at all.

    We do have a wonderful live and let live attitude here. But explaining to a neighbor how one of their actions is harming you and asking them to reconsider is not unneighborly. In fact, it is the basis of a great communication relationship.

  • 8 a.m. and I see the sign was cut down overnight !! (and I do not own a chainsaw, just for the record)

    I completely understand the sentiment, however I feel we, as a community, were robbed of an opportunity to resolve this issue by bargaining in good faith with our neighbor.

    …Glad its down, wish it had come down under more honorable circumstances.

  • 8 a.m. and I see the sign was cut down overnight !! (and I do not own a chainsaw, just for the record)

    I completely understand the sentiment, however I feel we, as a community, were robbed of an opportunity to resolve this issue by bargaining in good faith with our neighbor.

    …Glad its down, wish it had come down under more honorable circumstances.

  • I believe it went down in the first 24 hours. I went by there yesterday and took photos.

    I just got a call from a very nice woman named Jennifer Benito who is the Outreach director for Save the Redwoods. I had left a message there yesterday. She didn’t know even where the sign was and what it was about and is investigating. I was able to give her Cristina Ambrose’s name thanks to you and hopefully, this investigation will lead to a good resolution. I urge everyone to keep calling and leaving emails–letting the League understand that they have inadvertently stepped on our community’s values.

  • I believe it went down in the first 24 hours. I went by there yesterday and took photos.

    I just got a call from a very nice woman named Jennifer Benito who is the Outreach director for Save the Redwoods. I had left a message there yesterday. She didn’t know even where the sign was and what it was about and is investigating. I was able to give her Cristina Ambrose’s name thanks to you and hopefully, this investigation will lead to a good resolution. I urge everyone to keep calling and leaving emails–letting the League understand that they have inadvertently stepped on our community’s values.

  • I agree with Max on the hilarity factor, beginning with the ironic choice of pressure-treated posts and a plastic sign. I spoke with Christine Ambrose and she said that posting the sign was a requirment of the grant terms they have with the Wildlife Conservation Board. I suggested they use the bulletin board to post all their information; that’s where people are used to getting updates and info. She’s going to ask if they can post something smaller, but with a map as well. They are very open to input from the community.

    The sign was ugly, but expensive. If it showed up down at the bulletin board, it would go a long way towards some mutual respect.

  • I agree with Max on the hilarity factor, beginning with the ironic choice of pressure-treated posts and a plastic sign. I spoke with Christine Ambrose and she said that posting the sign was a requirment of the grant terms they have with the Wildlife Conservation Board. I suggested they use the bulletin board to post all their information; that’s where people are used to getting updates and info. She’s going to ask if they can post something smaller, but with a map as well. They are very open to input from the community.

    The sign was ugly, but expensive. If it showed up down at the bulletin board, it would go a long way towards some mutual respect.

  • Here’s the map of their plans for this corridor: http://www.ancientforests.org/gb/maps.html

    It looks pretty inconvenient for any backpackers to come out and access the trail through here. The whole point will be to go from the redwoods to the coast, so this is unlikely as a destination point.

  • Here’s the map of their plans for this corridor: http://www.ancientforests.org/gb/maps.html

    It looks pretty inconvenient for any backpackers to come out and access the trail through here. The whole point will be to go from the redwoods to the coast, so this is unlikely as a destination point.

  • So how far are we going to go with this. I know some people did not want their neighbors to have PG&E power and used chain saws to cut the poles down so they can’t have it. If somebody’s house or greenhouse can be seen from the road and somebody thinks it is ugly will they burn it down. I don’t think it reflects well on the community when peoples opinions are enforced by force. It might be a good idea if all you ugly sign people could make donations to save the redwoods league to make up for the cost of replacing the sign. If in the future negotiations lead to a resolution to the sign problem so much the better. To use an act of violence like this to impose the will of some people on other people is just not right and it certainly is not cute. The save the redwoods league put a lookout in grasshopper peak for us. They preserved a ton of redwoods for us, and continue to be one of the most useful environmental organizations that we have. As far as Richardson Grove is concerned. I don’t have $1 billion dollars, and I don’t want to build any giant big-box stores. I don’t particularly want giant trucks, Mexican or American driving through somewhere where they are not particularly wanted.

    • Tom… No poles were cut down… just cut. No chainsaw was used… The Beaver wasn’t a fool. Everyone got their PG&E. You are re writing history. Happens a lot around here.

  • Tom,

    To lump all the people against the ugly sign together doesn’t work well. Everybody has their own values and needs. Many anti sign people are against chainsawing it down as Steven above indicated.

    I personally have supported Save the Redwoods in the past and their cooperative response ( I just got two more calls while I was out this morning indicating that the sign was a requirement of their grant and they were going to ask Wildlife foundation to release them from that stipulation) to our concerns makes me even more likely to in the future. If my neighbor has a concern about something that I do, I appreciate them immediately bringing the problem up and discussing it with me. Together, hopefully, we can reach a compromise that works. It looks like the Save the Redwoods people are working hard to be great neighbors. I hope we all work hard to be good neighbors back.

  • Tom,

    To lump all the people against the ugly sign together doesn’t work well. Everybody has their own values and needs. Many anti sign people are against chainsawing it down as Steven above indicated.

    I personally have supported Save the Redwoods in the past and their cooperative response ( I just got two more calls while I was out this morning indicating that the sign was a requirement of their grant and they were going to ask Wildlife foundation to release them from that stipulation) to our concerns makes me even more likely to in the future. If my neighbor has a concern about something that I do, I appreciate them immediately bringing the problem up and discussing it with me. Together, hopefully, we can reach a compromise that works. It looks like the Save the Redwoods people are working hard to be great neighbors. I hope we all work hard to be good neighbors back.

  • How come Ernie gets a smiley face?

  • But of course we have no problem with automatic weapons, diesel generators, locked gates and armed thugs patrolling our roads.

  • But of course we have no problem with automatic weapons, diesel generators, locked gates and armed thugs patrolling our roads.

  • 8 a.m. and I see the sign was cut down overnight !! (and I do not own a chainsaw, just for the record)
    I completely understand the sentiment,

    yeah i understand the sentiment too –the person who cut the sign is total self-righteous asshole and hypocrite as well. Suzy calls it playing god with chainsaw..

  • 8 a.m. and I see the sign was cut down overnight !! (and I do not own a chainsaw, just for the record)
    I completely understand the sentiment,

    yeah i understand the sentiment too –the person who cut the sign is total self-righteous asshole and hypocrite as well. Suzy calls it playing god with chainsaw..

  • Beloved readers,

    At the risk of seeming preachy, I’m going to speak from my heart here.

    I know that whenever there is controversy, there is a tendency to vilify people that believe differently than us. Please take a moment before you post and remember that the person who does something that you totally disagree with on one position may be the hero who steps forward and saves the day in another. Using names and labels isn’t conducive to working together to solve our communities’ problems.

    Once someone has been called a name, they are likely to label you with a similar name and communication breaks down. Condemn the act, if it offends you. Not the person.

  • Beloved readers,

    At the risk of seeming preachy, I’m going to speak from my heart here.

    I know that whenever there is controversy, there is a tendency to vilify people that believe differently than us. Please take a moment before you post and remember that the person who does something that you totally disagree with on one position may be the hero who steps forward and saves the day in another. Using names and labels isn’t conducive to working together to solve our communities’ problems.

    Once someone has been called a name, they are likely to label you with a similar name and communication breaks down. Condemn the act, if it offends you. Not the person.

  • At the risk of seeming preachy..

    well its your blog so that gives you the right to be preachy and say how one ought to express their opinions, i guess. Same old story, its about control, that’s the underlying problem in both instances, the fear of not being in control. The scapegoat may end up being a sign that has to go or it may be a blog commenter that has to be censured. Everywhere a merciless fight for this social resource is raging behind the facade of polite manners and correct standards of behavior. ( tsk tsk)

  • At the risk of seeming preachy..

    well its your blog so that gives you the right to be preachy and say how one ought to express their opinions, i guess. Same old story, its about control, that’s the underlying problem in both instances, the fear of not being in control. The scapegoat may end up being a sign that has to go or it may be a blog commenter that has to be censured. Everywhere a merciless fight for this social resource is raging behind the facade of polite manners and correct standards of behavior. ( tsk tsk)

  • Suzy,

    Your commentary makes me laugh aloud almost always (or grips me and makes me think at other times so in no way do I want you to feel unwelcome. I don’t mind controversial opinions or telling me I’m completely off my rocker. (well, I try not to mind, anyway.)

    However, I used to quit reading the comments on Eric’s old blog after the first few because the conversation degenerated into name calling and nothing was being said. Plus, I think people became hardened into positions.

    It has been my experience that people are most open to change if one approaches them like they are reasonable people–not calling them names.

    In other words, go right ahead and say you don’t think chainsawing the sign down is a great idea. I’m just asking that words like asshole be used rarely if ever. I’m not censoring your ideas. I’m asking you to express them without name calling and, when appropriate, backed up with facts.

  • Suzy,

    Your commentary makes me laugh aloud almost always (or grips me and makes me think at other times so in no way do I want you to feel unwelcome. I don’t mind controversial opinions or telling me I’m completely off my rocker. (well, I try not to mind, anyway.)

    However, I used to quit reading the comments on Eric’s old blog after the first few because the conversation degenerated into name calling and nothing was being said. Plus, I think people became hardened into positions.

    It has been my experience that people are most open to change if one approaches them like they are reasonable people–not calling them names.

    In other words, go right ahead and say you don’t think chainsawing the sign down is a great idea. I’m just asking that words like asshole be used rarely if ever. I’m not censoring your ideas. I’m asking you to express them without name calling and, when appropriate, backed up with facts.

  • with a tsk tsk here and a tut tut there
    here a tsk, there a tut,
    everyone has a butt…
    young kymkemp she has a blog
    eek eye eek eye Oh?

    (note: there are no deeper meanies, or sarchasms, or subtitled digs intended… really, really, i am just trying to be silly)

  • with a tsk tsk here and a tut tut there
    here a tsk, there a tut,
    everyone has a butt…
    young kymkemp she has a blog
    eek eye eek eye Oh?

    (note: there are no deeper meanies, or sarchasms, or subtitled digs intended… really, really, i am just trying to be silly)

  • OK, but I’m not agreeing with your opinion of my language, the ‘fact’ that he’s an asshole is there in history for all to see.. that’s my opinion, and that’s the word i choose to use to best express what i feel, like it or not, and i’m sorry if it’s not up to snuff for your blog, but i stand by it. It wasn’t just the act that i wished to comment on, it was the person, that kind of behavior doesn’t just happen all by itself, some fella grabbed a chainsaw and did a violent act. Who would do such a thing? Like i said above, there’s a cowardly mindset that underlies the action. To me that’s a more important issue then somebody using a cuss word to describe a person… but like i said — it’s yr blogame.

  • OK, but I’m not agreeing with your opinion of my language, the ‘fact’ that he’s an asshole is there in history for all to see.. that’s my opinion, and that’s the word i choose to use to best express what i feel, like it or not, and i’m sorry if it’s not up to snuff for your blog, but i stand by it. It wasn’t just the act that i wished to comment on, it was the person, that kind of behavior doesn’t just happen all by itself, some fella grabbed a chainsaw and did a violent act. Who would do such a thing? Like i said above, there’s a cowardly mindset that underlies the action. To me that’s a more important issue then somebody using a cuss word to describe a person… but like i said — it’s yr blogame.

  • I appreciate you trying to work with me even if when you think I’m off my rocker.

  • I appreciate you trying to work with me even if when you think I’m off my rocker.

  • same backatcha

  • same backatcha

  • I hate to say this Kym, and don’t take offense, but

    …big deal.

    The sign doesn’t appear to be that obstructive.

    Let’s go after CBS for ruining the safety corridor view of the Bay. Let’s go after the Coast Guard for their recruitment billboard in the bottoms after Samoa. And let’s get rid of that god awful flag on the west side of the 101 north of Giuntoli, if someone doesn’t soon, I just might, it’s in the way of my view of the baby veal cows being tortured.

    It’s important to pick and choose our battles. Remember what happened to Hank Sims after his attack on the NEC? I’m sure the intentions of the Save the Redwoods League are for the greater good, as opposed to CBS, the industrial mitlitary complex, cow torturers, etc.

    However,

    Those who imposing personal attacks against you on your blog should try to keep it a little lighter, more friendly, and use facts instead of meanness. I don’t like it when people offend you personally, you don’t deserve that.

  • I hate to say this Kym, and don’t take offense, but

    …big deal.

    The sign doesn’t appear to be that obstructive.

    Let’s go after CBS for ruining the safety corridor view of the Bay. Let’s go after the Coast Guard for their recruitment billboard in the bottoms after Samoa. And let’s get rid of that god awful flag on the west side of the 101 north of Giuntoli, if someone doesn’t soon, I just might, it’s in the way of my view of the baby veal cows being tortured.

    It’s important to pick and choose our battles. Remember what happened to Hank Sims after his attack on the NEC? I’m sure the intentions of the Save the Redwoods League are for the greater good, as opposed to CBS, the industrial mitlitary complex, cow torturers, etc.

    However,

    Those who imposing personal attacks against you on your blog should try to keep it a little lighter, more friendly, and use facts instead of meanness. I don’t like it when people offend you personally, you don’t deserve that.

  • Jeff,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    We do have to pick our battles. But to me and my neighbors, this is important. Its our home. We’re pretty attached to a certain way of life, a sense of living immersed in nature. We expend a lot of extra time and money in order to live way out in the hills without the conveniences of town life. I think you would be surprised at how many people here wrote or called. Thankfully, Save the Redwoods seems to understand our position and is trying to help us.

  • Jeff,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    We do have to pick our battles. But to me and my neighbors, this is important. Its our home. We’re pretty attached to a certain way of life, a sense of living immersed in nature. We expend a lot of extra time and money in order to live way out in the hills without the conveniences of town life. I think you would be surprised at how many people here wrote or called. Thankfully, Save the Redwoods seems to understand our position and is trying to help us.

  • sorry for my ill timed and adolescent little ditty

  • sorry for my ill timed and adolescent little ditty

  • Those who imposing personal attacks against you on your blog should try to keep it a little lighter, more friendly, and use facts instead of meanness.

    scuze me, but who made a personal attack against Kym? You are the one in need of facts.

  • Those who imposing personal attacks against you on your blog should try to keep it a little lighter, more friendly, and use facts instead of meanness.

    scuze me, but who made a personal attack against Kym? You are the one in need of facts.

  • My grandmother always said, “sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me”.

  • My grandmother always said, “sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me”.

  • You should have seen the ranches before they were subdivided and nobody lived there. It was a truely
    more beautiful and magical place. Now there are roads and houses everywhere. What’s a little sign
    about saving some trees?

  • You should have seen the ranches before they were subdivided and nobody lived there. It was a truely
    more beautiful and magical place. Now there are roads and houses everywhere. What’s a little sign
    about saving some trees?

  • Janice,
    I remember the ranches and they were beautiful. The Hurlbutt ranch seemed to stretch to the ends of the earth when I was a child. The view was unspoiled by anything manmade.

    Up Salmon Creek Ridge, the view is pretty similar. A few roads wind through the hills but homes are mostly tucked away from sight. The best I can describe the feeling of the sign cutting into the natural grasses to someone from not here is if Old Town in Eureka were suddenly to sprout a KMart. It is totally out of character for the area. The sign just doen’t seem little to us.

    Tom,
    My mom said the same thing. But anyone who has ever been called a name usually feels the stab. And Tom, you are good parent and neighbor, I know you know how harmful names can be to good communication. Without knowing who cut down the sign, when names are leveled at that person, how do can one know who one is upset at. It maybe someone we all respect and love. Addressing the deed not the person makes it easier to continue to have good relations with that personl in my opinion.

    Suzy,
    You’re right. No one made an attack against me. Criticizing me is easier for me to deal with (although no out there take me up on that–I’m just fine with no criticism.)

  • Janice,
    I remember the ranches and they were beautiful. The Hurlbutt ranch seemed to stretch to the ends of the earth when I was a child. The view was unspoiled by anything manmade.

    Up Salmon Creek Ridge, the view is pretty similar. A few roads wind through the hills but homes are mostly tucked away from sight. The best I can describe the feeling of the sign cutting into the natural grasses to someone from not here is if Old Town in Eureka were suddenly to sprout a KMart. It is totally out of character for the area. The sign just doen’t seem little to us.

    Tom,
    My mom said the same thing. But anyone who has ever been called a name usually feels the stab. And Tom, you are good parent and neighbor, I know you know how harmful names can be to good communication. Without knowing who cut down the sign, when names are leveled at that person, how do can one know who one is upset at. It maybe someone we all respect and love. Addressing the deed not the person makes it easier to continue to have good relations with that personl in my opinion.

    Suzy,
    You’re right. No one made an attack against me. Criticizing me is easier for me to deal with (although no out there take me up on that–I’m just fine with no criticism.)

  • Without knowing who cut down the sign, when names are leveled at that person, how do can one know who one is upset at. It maybe someone we all respect and love.

    sorry but i don’t isolate a person from their actions. What you mean is, someone “you all” may respect and love — but not me, if i don’t like the action i know i won’t respect the person either.

  • Without knowing who cut down the sign, when names are leveled at that person, how do can one know who one is upset at. It maybe someone we all respect and love.

    sorry but i don’t isolate a person from their actions. What you mean is, someone “you all” may respect and love — but not me, if i don’t like the action i know i won’t respect the person either.

  • I don’t think it was the sign itself but the fear of public traffic that prompted the panic. The anxiety was misplaced, but hopefully the sign will be returned (if it is in the hands of someone respectable and lovable).

    Suzy, you reminded me of a poster that used to hang in the classroom: “Watch your thoughts, they become your words; watch your words, they become your actions; watch your actions, they become your habits; watch your habits, they become your character.”

  • sounds like something from a 12step program or some shit…

  • sounds like something from a 12step program or some shit…

  • oh puhlease, let’s keep it simple… 12 steps is much too much… have you tried ?

    You put your right foot in,
    You take your right foot out,
    You put your right foot in, and you shake it all about
    You do the Hokey Pokey and you turn yourself around,
    That’s what it’s all about! ……

  • oh puhlease, let’s keep it simple… 12 steps is much too much… have you tried ?

    You put your right foot in,
    You take your right foot out,
    You put your right foot in, and you shake it all about
    You do the Hokey Pokey and you turn yourself around,
    That’s what it’s all about! ……

  • you forgot the verse where you put yr chainsaw in and do the hokeypokey..

  • you forgot the verse where you put yr chainsaw in and do the hokeypokey..

  • i have fergotten many things.
    but i do remember the phone company,s attempt to put orange tipped white phone phalli along many country roads some years back…right. what were they thinking? i think they got “stored” pretty quick in the woods.
    I Ithink a compliment to the destruction artist is in order for not using the sign for target practice (assuming that that has’t occurred) as would be the case in many hoods. Right civilized.
    On my recent driving forays through areas east of 101 I notice many missing, twisted, erased and defaced signs. It is not easy to be a sign in the boonies, rough life.

    how many remember that hokey pokey was originally a term for cheap ice cream?
    Hokey-Pokey, penny a lump!…ˈhəʊkɪˈpəʊkɪ/!

    • Other scholars think that the Shaker song “Hinkum-Booby” may have developed into the “Hokey-Pokey”.

  • i have fergotten many things.
    but i do remember the phone company,s attempt to put orange tipped white phone phalli along many country roads some years back…right. what were they thinking? i think they got “stored” pretty quick in the woods.
    I Ithink a compliment to the destruction artist is in order for not using the sign for target practice (assuming that that has’t occurred) as would be the case in many hoods. Right civilized.
    On my recent driving forays through areas east of 101 I notice many missing, twisted, erased and defaced signs. It is not easy to be a sign in the boonies, rough life.

    how many remember that hokey pokey was originally a term for cheap ice cream?
    Hokey-Pokey, penny a lump!…ˈhəʊkɪˈpəʊkɪ/!

    • Other scholars think that the Shaker song “Hinkum-Booby” may have developed into the “Hokey-Pokey”.

  • I Ithink a compliment to the destruction artist is in order.

    yes indeed a compliment to the salmon creek chainsaw asshole –but i already gave him my compliments!! how much more does he want?

  • I Ithink a compliment to the destruction artist is in order.

    yes indeed a compliment to the salmon creek chainsaw asshole –but i already gave him my compliments!! how much more does he want?

  • Art thou sure they are not a “burly-boned clapper-clawed whey-face” ?
    Shakespearean insult language site.
    ‘Course you might think me a ” weedy tickle-brained fustilarian”!

  • Art thou sure they are not a “burly-boned clapper-clawed whey-face” ?
    Shakespearean insult language site.
    ‘Course you might think me a ” weedy tickle-brained fustilarian”!

  • name calling is communication. names, words, emotions are comunication. If you have felt a “stab” at a name calling this means that the communication has happened inside of you and is a symtom of some past or present event in your life. It is not good to control your insides by trying to control others. It does not work. As the curses above show words have to have some hook to a persons internal pyschology to be able to produce a reaction. My grandmother always said, “sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me”.

  • name calling is communication. names, words, emotions are comunication. If you have felt a “stab” at a name calling this means that the communication has happened inside of you and is a symtom of some past or present event in your life. It is not good to control your insides by trying to control others. It does not work. As the curses above show words have to have some hook to a persons internal pyschology to be able to produce a reaction. My grandmother always said, “sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me”.

  • Suzy and Tom,

    People are their actions in many ways but they are the sum of all their actions. I don’t know anyone who has never done something I don’t approve of. Likewise, I don’t know anyone who has never done something I liked

    Lumping someone under a negative name fails to account for many good things that I might love. For me, the blogosphere is a powerful tool to create communication between different parts of the community–ones that don’t talk to each other very often. Names shut down the desire to communicate so I’d like to keep at least this blog free of that.

    Kato, you’re right that many people were upset by the fear of public traffic but many of us just were unhappy with the intrusive character of the sign. As Olmanriver pointed out, many rural communities don’t care for signs.

  • Suzy and Tom,

    People are their actions in many ways but they are the sum of all their actions. I don’t know anyone who has never done something I don’t approve of. Likewise, I don’t know anyone who has never done something I liked

    Lumping someone under a negative name fails to account for many good things that I might love. For me, the blogosphere is a powerful tool to create communication between different parts of the community–ones that don’t talk to each other very often. Names shut down the desire to communicate so I’d like to keep at least this blog free of that.

    Kato, you’re right that many people were upset by the fear of public traffic but many of us just were unhappy with the intrusive character of the sign. As Olmanriver pointed out, many rural communities don’t care for signs.

  • Seems as thought kym would rather use this “powerful tool” to censure naughty language than actually communicate.

  • Seems as thought kym would rather use this “powerful tool” to censure naughty language than actually communicate.

  • Hey, Suzy, wait a minute. I haven’t censored you. I’ve asked you to censor yourself because I feel that it works on my blog. You are free to start your own blog and say whatever you wish. In fact, as clever and funny as your comments are, I think your blog would be highly successful and I’d be glad to help you start one if you want my help. There you can say whatever you wish.

    But, asking people to behave kindly is my nature. Its what feels right to me. Its conversation that works for me. And, to me, it seems that asking me not to do so here would change the personality of my blog. Each blog is an amalgamation of both the host and those who comment. Everyone adds value. The host, though, is responsible for the blog and if it doesn’t reflect his or her personality, then why would the host want to host it? I’m not comfortable with labeling. I’m asking you not to do it here. Just as a host in a home might ask guests not to smoke marijuana. It doesn’t mean you can’t do it elsewhere.

    To my memory, and god knows that is faulty enough, I’ve only removed two comments–both of which named someone as being a pot grower. I have no interest in supporting that kind of behavior and outing someone for doing something I think should be legal. If that counts as censorship, so be it.

    Here, I ask people who comment not to label. That meets my needs. I hope you can tolerate what I view as a small request.

  • Hey, Suzy, wait a minute. I haven’t censored you. I’ve asked you to censor yourself because I feel that it works on my blog. You are free to start your own blog and say whatever you wish. In fact, as clever and funny as your comments are, I think your blog would be highly successful and I’d be glad to help you start one if you want my help. There you can say whatever you wish.

    But, asking people to behave kindly is my nature. Its what feels right to me. Its conversation that works for me. And, to me, it seems that asking me not to do so here would change the personality of my blog. Each blog is an amalgamation of both the host and those who comment. Everyone adds value. The host, though, is responsible for the blog and if it doesn’t reflect his or her personality, then why would the host want to host it? I’m not comfortable with labeling. I’m asking you not to do it here. Just as a host in a home might ask guests not to smoke marijuana. It doesn’t mean you can’t do it elsewhere.

    To my memory, and god knows that is faulty enough, I’ve only removed two comments–both of which named someone as being a pot grower. I have no interest in supporting that kind of behavior and outing someone for doing something I think should be legal. If that counts as censorship, so be it.

    Here, I ask people who comment not to label. That meets my needs. I hope you can tolerate what I view as a small request.

  • come come now Kym puleeeze, you are the one who needs to wait a minute. Give me a break, i NEVER SAiD you censored me! Gosh gurl, whats with that? Sheeesh, seems like the more Suzy talks with you and trys to communicate, the more you ignore my points and twist my language to make even deepeer the lies and false accusasoins coming from your keyboard, but whatever, sigh,.. gee whiz.. oh well, … water off a ducksback,

  • come come now Kym puleeeze, you are the one who needs to wait a minute. Give me a break, i NEVER SAiD you censored me! Gosh gurl, whats with that? Sheeesh, seems like the more Suzy talks with you and trys to communicate, the more you ignore my points and twist my language to make even deepeer the lies and false accusasoins coming from your keyboard, but whatever, sigh,.. gee whiz.. oh well, … water off a ducksback,

  • Um, Suuz? Kim is way nicer than me and will actually try to look for logic behind what you are saying and will also try to reasonably and kindly address you. Since I am not nice like Kym and also know exactly what you are doing which has nothing to do with logic or reason — I can spot someone just angling for trouble for sport at the expense of anyone in arm’s distance from a mile on, chalk it up to working in bars for a while — let me put it another way: Sit down, shut up, and behave.

  • Um, Suuz? Kim is way nicer than me and will actually try to look for logic behind what you are saying and will also try to reasonably and kindly address you. Since I am not nice like Kym and also know exactly what you are doing which has nothing to do with logic or reason — I can spot someone just angling for trouble for sport at the expense of anyone in arm’s distance from a mile on, chalk it up to working in bars for a while — let me put it another way: Sit down, shut up, and behave.

  • Max, if you are not nice that’s your problem. But besides not being nice, u are also totally full of shit. Because, my dear, there is nothing on this thread that Suzy said that is illogical.

  • Max, if you are not nice that’s your problem. But besides not being nice, u are also totally full of shit. Because, my dear, there is nothing on this thread that Suzy said that is illogical.

  • If you have felt a “stab” at a name calling this means that the communication has happened inside of you and is a symtom of some past or present event in your life. It is not good to control your insides by trying to control others. It does not work. As the curses above show words have to have some hook to a persons internal pyschology to be able to produce a reaction

    Tom, imo, bullies like Kym and Max etc. will no doubt continue playing their control games, and continue reacting from emotional complexes caused by inner conflicts rather than listening objectively. From my experience folks like that are pretty inflexible. Once they’re set in that kinda pattern it’s hard to break out of it. What you said above is insightful and well put, I hear you. Thanks.

  • If you have felt a “stab” at a name calling this means that the communication has happened inside of you and is a symtom of some past or present event in your life. It is not good to control your insides by trying to control others. It does not work. As the curses above show words have to have some hook to a persons internal pyschology to be able to produce a reaction

    Tom, imo, bullies like Kym and Max etc. will no doubt continue playing their control games, and continue reacting from emotional complexes caused by inner conflicts rather than listening objectively. From my experience folks like that are pretty inflexible. Once they’re set in that kinda pattern it’s hard to break out of it. What you said above is insightful and well put, I hear you. Thanks.

  • Hey Kym,

    I thought you’d love this one…

    “Save-The-Redwoods Signs Off On Richardson Grove”
    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/blogthing/2009/06/22/save-redwoods-signs-richardson-grove/?c=9827

    “Signs off” 🙂 Hah!

    Get it?

    After re-contemplating your complaints over the sign, it seems kind of hypocritical of the League to block your view of what they are protecting with public donations. Good luck with that, I’m “rooting” for you, and not just because of the League dropping Richardson Grove support(or lack there of)…

  • Hey Kym,

    I thought you’d love this one…

    “Save-The-Redwoods Signs Off On Richardson Grove”
    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/blogthing/2009/06/22/save-redwoods-signs-richardson-grove/?c=9827

    “Signs off” 🙂 Hah!

    Get it?

    After re-contemplating your complaints over the sign, it seems kind of hypocritical of the League to block your view of what they are protecting with public donations. Good luck with that, I’m “rooting” for you, and not just because of the League dropping Richardson Grove support(or lack there of)…

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